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#115 to #2 - anonymous (04/10/2013) [-]
League of Legends whips out it's cock and slaps you in the face.
or just disagrees whatever you're into
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#101 to #2 - jinkazama (04/10/2013) [-]
Seeing your comments i can see that you are an idiot who thinks that if a game isn't 100% free it is just a scam. Games cost money. Devs need to make that money. If a free game has a source of income that doesn't give players distinct advantages by paying then it isn't p2win.
#93 to #2 - jinkazama (04/10/2013) [-]
Guild wars 2, League of legends, blacklight retribution, team fortress 2, planetside 2... I could go on
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#97 to #96 - jinkazama (04/10/2013) [-]
"i haven't played it so it must be shit" "the worlds most popular esport game and most successful competitive online game of all time is shit" "I don't like FPS games so they're shit" TF is freetoplay. I have it. I play it. I haven't spent a dime on it. And as of PS2 microtransactions mean nothing when facing good players. So no, not pay to win by any regard.
#183 to #97 - freetoplay (04/11/2013) [-]
Yo leave me out of this one sided fight, but yes TF2 is awesome and fun
#184 to #183 - jinkazama (04/11/2013) [-]
I just hate when people don't know what pay to win is. TF2 is as far as it gets from that
#185 to #184 - freetoplay (04/12/2013) [-]
indeed, i am guilty of paying for a key once... i didnt want the key, i wanted the larger inventory space lol
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#103 to #100 - jinkazama (04/10/2013) [-]
"lol is poorly designed." You don't get to have an esport and worldwide tourneys in a badly designed game. Simple as that. People will not spend thousands of hour practicing in a badly designed game. Do you have anything to back that statement up? What is poorly designed in it? Why is it wrong?

BL:R is a modern military shooter with some sci-fi elements. Most of it has been done before but it is more balanced than almost all others i have played. It is well polished and it is free too. A game should gain points for innovation if it is good, but a good game is good whether or not is is innovative.

Regarding TF2, that isn't pay to win. Having content you can pay for is not being p2win. Considering 95% of the players don't care about the mode and it isn't half as well designed as the others... well you see my point.

In PS2 a good gun is no substitution for skill. Simple as that.
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#95 to #62 - jinkazama (04/10/2013) [-]
Except it isn't pay to win since owning more champions means nothing if you don't know how to play them well. A champion that takes 3 games to unlock is as good as one that takes 60 games of saving points, and these points build up like no-ones business.
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#53 to #2 - anonymous (04/10/2013) [-]
not tf2 thats a free to play pay to get hats
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#75 to #54 - anonymous (04/10/2013) [-]
Yes, you have to pay for a game mode where 90% of the players don't even realize that it exists and 98% of the players don't even care about. So for the vast majority of the players, it's completely F2P.
#49 to #2 - erooo (04/10/2013) [-]
Play DOTA 2 you filthy casual.
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User avatar #45 to #2 - octaviano (04/10/2013) [-]
Maplestory!

Where, if you want great damage increase and +60% Damage against bosses, you have to buy tons of cubes to cube the potential, to get it to the best!

WOO.
#43 to #2 - anonymous (04/10/2013) [-]
im not sure if you are a really good troll or not. i've played several play to win games like the gotham city imposters and such. Lol and TF2 never fit in there.
User avatar #44 to #43 - ragingdouchbag ONLINE (04/10/2013) [-]
apologies forgot to log in
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#99 to #46 - jinkazama (04/10/2013) [-]
You get no advantage whatsoever in LoL by paying. In fact runes, the one thing which you can use to give yourself a competitive advantage can only be unlocked with IP, which can only be earned ingame.

And TF2 is far from pay to win too. You can pay, but you can't win by paying
#129 to #99 - erooo (04/10/2013) [-]
Lol is pay2win imo, played the game for several months (mostly as akali dmg dmg dmg!). But switched to dota2 as i felt it was way tougher, the average dota player is waaaaay more skilled and hardcore compared to a lol player. Im not saying its a bad game but for me i cant play it if it feels unfair. Ok this is why lol is a p2w game:
1. You can buy heroes, i know that ome hero is not more powerful than the other atleast not meant to be, but it gives an advantage when you can build strong team compositions and the other team cannot because they lack the heroes.
2. Runes, runes give a strong boost early in the game especially as akali as you need 20 ab to activate your passive. That gives you an additional ~10% to damage plus ofc 20 ability power for your spells.
3.boosts, boosts give you the exp and ip to buy runes or get summoner spells these you buy. This is why runes is a point.
I dont think anyone should have an advantage before the game starts in competitive games so im against the bonuses you get from leveling too
#179 to #129 - jinkazama (04/10/2013) [-]
1. Strong team comp means nothing without the skill to play it well. If you just buy all the champions you won't be good with most of them. Along with that, you will only find people who pick around the rest of their team at high divisions like plat or diamond. Outside of that 9/10 games people will just pick any adc, any supp, any jungler etc.

2. Runes can't be bought for money. This point is completely invalid.

3.IP boosts are little more than paying for convenience. The average player who isn't new has stockpiles of IP laying around. For example just watch any stream and look at their IP between matches. They will generally have 30k-90k IP just laying in their account. IP build up so much that this isn't really an advantage, and can be put down as a convenience.

XP boosts are completely useless outside of smurfing (making a second account to play ranked on, just incase you're unfamiliar with the term). For example, if a new player buys XP boosts enough to have boosts all the way to level 30 then that means they have played half of the matches of most players there. Meaning they are half as experienced. And more likely to lose. I.E. Not paying to win if you cant win.

The real game doesn't start until level 30 anyway, where xp boosts don't do anything. Having more champions means nothing. Being good at 1 champion in each role will get you further than being OK at a lot of champions and having them all.

Judging from your post (mentioning things like summoner spell advantage) it seems you only played unranked, where the game really has no competitive value for the most part. I've yet to pay for anything ingame and have never felt like those paying had an advantage over me. If they get to level 30 faster then it just means i can stomp them in games since i'm more practised. It can seem like you need to pay when you first join the game, but i've learned from experience that paying doesn't make you win, but not paying can help you learn better and play better.
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#104 to #102 - jinkazama (04/10/2013) [-]
Considering you just whine about it and it's existence completely invalidates your original comment expect to hear about it. You call it badly designed etc and just red thumb those who disagree with you when you never back up your claims with anything.

"it's badly designed" means nothing when it has such a huge playerbase and competitive community. Can you name another hugely popular game that's not well designed? I doubt it, because good design is what keeps people playing. If a game can keep so many people happy playing it for so long then clearly it lacks any major problems. Maybe a glitch pops up now and then but it has no gamebreaking flaws.
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User avatar #116 to #105 - battledude ONLINE (04/10/2013) [-]
im guessing you got assraped in the game and complained that all 111 other champs are OP except for the one you are using

find a game that not pay-to-win and you choose to ignore it, must take too much skill for you
User avatar #19 to #2 - nighthit (04/10/2013) [-]
TF2, LoL, etc. Do not fit in to your category, seems so your knowledge is flawed.
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