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Obama Caesar. Will usa collapse like rome did.... the way usa has degraded its society like rome did, overspent on war like rome did, and had corrupt leaders li

Will usa collapse like rome did....
the way usa has degraded its society like rome did, overspent on war like rome did, and had corrupt leaders like rome did,....quite possibly

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#11 - I Am Monkey
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People assume that every great power must fall. They're not considering that the uniting factor in all these collapses is losing territory. England lost its colonies. Russia lost it's satellite states. Rome had the territory it conquered re-captured by Germanic tribes. Those circumstances don't apply to America. Almost all of our territory is fully incorporated. Nobody's looking to take them from us and they're not going to leave. (despite what you may hear) Obviously our economy is still vulnerable to crashing, so I'm not saying we couldn't stop being a superpower. But we're not going to "collapse" like these other empires.
People assume that every great power must fall. They're not considering that the uniting factor in all these collapses is losing territory. England lost its colonies. Russia lost it's satellite states. Rome had the territory it conquered re-captured by Germanic tribes. Those circumstances don't apply to America. Almost all of our territory is fully incorporated. Nobody's looking to take them from us and they're not going to leave. (despite what you may hear) Obviously our economy is still vulnerable to crashing, so I'm not saying we couldn't stop being a superpower. But we're not going to "collapse" like these other empires.
#35 to #11 - anon id: 9bd0f626
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USA stAnds for what now you had war over it **** sake
User avatar #67 to #11 - xgreenmaidenx
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USA will colapse, as will all great super power. Be it in World war 3 or 4, soner or later all will. Nobody suspected the Germanic Tribes to win over the Roman empire. The Soviet union was pretty great, but now, even if most part is Russia today, it is still gone.

We have no idea how to predict the future.
User avatar #84 to #11 - douthit
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Every nation not now in existence has fallen. Why would America be any different?
#123 to #84 - noschool
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america is different in that it is not heavily divided by nationality and culture, almost everyone in the US sees themselves as american. this heavily construct w/ the roman empire, British empire, Austro-Hungarian empire, and the U.S.S.R. So while the U.S could collapse economically it is very unlikely that the country would divide politically like previous empires.
User avatar #110 to #84 - meganinja
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Why are all the nations that exist right now different?
User avatar #116 to #110 - douthit
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Something has to exist before it can fall.
#88 to #84 - thundertigers
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He just explained that into his comment...
User avatar #85 to #11 - traelos
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I agree with you completely.

Well, until China becomes the world's dominant superpower and goes all Nazi Germany on us. I'm not saying their definitely going to win, I'm just saying if they do, no more 'Murica.
#89 to #11 - anon id: b3873bf4
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Meh. I give us another 50 years. We had a good run but we've run into the same problems Ancient Rome did. Cheap money kills the economy, the social system collapses, America becomes Turd City and some random terrorist faction starts wreaking havoc until America is just as pathetic as Rome after it fell.
User avatar #105 to #11 - animedudej
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also didnt rome spread to far too fast? like they couldnt feed their citizens?
#101 to #11 - bernardator
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#107 to #11 - anon id: 06840326
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Also "Atlantis sank".
So ,may America be standing on a "bomb"?

And just say the Empire fell...change the name and ideals and rise from the ashes.
User avatar #113 to #11 - jaypaul
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I don't believe the US will be taken over by anyone else, but our 700+ world wide military bases sure as hell aren't going to stay in operation, and our welfare state won't exist too terribly long in the future either. I suspect within the next 5-15 years we'll begin seeing some dramatic changes. Government Shutdown and Impending Collapse - A Conversation with Veronique du Rugy The Death of the US Dollar: Timeline and Obituary
User avatar #117 to #11 - elitehacker
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*its not it's
User avatar #118 to #117 - elitehacker
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You got it right with England losing its colonies but wrong with Russia losing its satellite states.
#136 to #11 - NinjaHermit
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You're right, circumstances are different. So, I wouldn't say the USA is just suddenly collapse (assuming humanity doesn't **** itself over and nuke the **** out of each other). Even the Roman Empire didn't fall in one day.   
But the USA won't last forever. Neither will any other country or human institution. Several hundred (or thousand) years from now Earth's geo-political landscape will probably be very different than it is now.   
Heh. Hell, given enough time even the arrangement/shapes of the continents themselves will be different, due to plate tectonics and all that.
You're right, circumstances are different. So, I wouldn't say the USA is just suddenly collapse (assuming humanity doesn't **** itself over and nuke the **** out of each other). Even the Roman Empire didn't fall in one day.
But the USA won't last forever. Neither will any other country or human institution. Several hundred (or thousand) years from now Earth's geo-political landscape will probably be very different than it is now.
Heh. Hell, given enough time even the arrangement/shapes of the continents themselves will be different, due to plate tectonics and all that.
User avatar #138 to #11 - rockamekishiko
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i think every major power has collapsed from the inside
User avatar #139 to #11 - justinitforthecorn
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But... we can possibly collapse into a dictatorship through Plato's cycle of government. We have already almost reached full-blown democracy, with less and less of the republic of our democratic republic being seen, and once the transition is made, another transition is possible. It may not occur in our lifetime, but through studying history and reviewing the rise and fall of many mighty civilizations, it is impossible to avoid the recognition of this proven cycle.
If you would like to read up on it, here is a link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato's_five_regimes

tl;dr America can and will eventually collapse through the inevitable progression of government and economic basis.

tl;dr tl;dr We go'n fall.
#147 to #11 - bobbysnobby
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Totally untrue. These are the musing of someone who has only taken basic world history courses. Read the book Collapse there are many, many reasons that societies fail.
#154 to #147 - I Am Monkey
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I've taken 2 courses on Roman Civ.
User avatar #92 to #11 - HarvietheDinkle
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I'm not saying it will collapse today

Or even in the next hudnred years

but the chances of the United States either collapsing, or becoming something else, within the next thousand, million, billion, trillion years?

Yes.

Just like how, eventually, we all have to move/adapt or we'll be gone by the time the Sun becomes a red giant.
User avatar #162 to #92 - HarvietheDinkle
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well, **** you too FJ
User avatar #13 to #11 - konradkurze [OP]
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well wasnt it last year that most of the states suggested breaking off from usa?

but in a more relevant note, the last time any large group in usa tried to break away was when a large group of mormons in Waco, Texas planned to actually do it....and then the CIA charged in there, shot everyone, planted weapons and claimed hey were terrorists

since then people may talk about it but since they want to live, they dont go ahead with it
User avatar #14 to #13 - I Am Monkey
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People might like the idea of secession when they get pissed off, but in reality no state would ever vote to do it. I don't think "most of" anything has ever supported the idea since the Civil War.

Not touching your Waco conspiracy theory with a 10 foot pole
User avatar #16 to #14 - konradkurze [OP]
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well theres plenty of people in each state who are on that level of blindly proud they act like their state is better than any other......and several of the US states have the ability to go it alone of they chose

texas is bigger than alot of european countries, the coastal states of usa get enough in tourism finance to make itand the central states make it okay with agriculture
theres not that much different between the states working together for mutual benefit as countries do

if youre gonna preach 'ermagerd conspiracy' be sure to grab your shotgun, pickup truck and american flag to be a real 'Murican.
sad how any time people hear stuff too horrifying they just label it a conspiracy rather than face the idea it may be true
User avatar #111 to #16 - revengeforfreeze
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Huehuehue konrad my man *brofist*
User avatar #63 to #13 - nervaaurelius
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Most states? The petition that got the most sigs was Texas at 90k and the sigs could come from people all over the country and is a small fraction of the pop Texas either way.
User avatar #22 to #13 - castellandraco
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the cia never went in there they were just a crazy cult, and those states that suggested succession suggested it as a way of showing how poor a job the government is doing there not going anyware
User avatar #23 to #22 - konradkurze [OP]
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*atomic facepalm*

all mainstream religions stemming off christianity are cults, just this particular mormon group wanted freedom from the usa to have their own religious land
of course the CIA would never allow the united states to be anything less than united and wouldnt tolerate anyone seceeding, so executed them all and called them terrorists

could say that was training for how the CIA fundedand trained the taliban and al quaeda
User avatar #24 to #23 - castellandraco
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ok you clearly must not be from America, it was kinda known they were gona go Jamestown, and the situation was mismanaged but your conspiracy theory's could be a little better...
#26 to #24 - konradkurze [OP]
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nice how the CIA can murder people to maintain order and people accept the fiction story they cook up
User avatar #31 to #26 - castellandraco
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have any proof to support your argument or just wana hate on the free world?
User avatar #33 to #31 - konradkurze [OP]
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read some history kid

all through it, theres been cases where leaders have special orders of men who kill specific targets like political dissidents who speak out against the leadership and the system

western countries like to preach theyre better than places like north korea who openly silence dissenters..not true....western countries just keep such deeds quiet and covered up
User avatar #114 to #26 - jacksipian
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right, except for the fact that the CIA doesn't really do much inside the borders of america. The CIA operates outside of the U.S. the FBI handles most of the things that go on within our borders, so i really doubt it was the CIA that did ANYTHING
#106 to #11 - anon id: 50388ca6
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wait till the natives reunite!
User avatar #126 to #11 - axeaddonis
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And of course there's always China which has been around forever and just goes through cycles, rather than fully collapsing.
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User avatar #9 - ultimatebadass
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I was thinking about this the other day, they won't quite yet but eventually they will. Every super power does, like Persia and Rome but they usually last longer than the US has been a superpower
User avatar #48 to #9 - fuckthehabs
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In this day and age I don't see a full scale collapse of the United States. What I think will happen, and in a sense has already been happening, is that other powers around the world will begin to rise at a faster pace than the US, eventually surpassing us. But even then the US will remain powerful.
User avatar #34 to #9 - ompalomper
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yes but those collapsed under their own weight. news and orders can only travel so fast on horse but now we have instant global communication and no major wars in sight. the though that a total collapse is near is just a little optimistic
#45 to #34 - anon id: 0efac314
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By that logic though they would become stable once they're smaller, but they always fully collapse.

Anon because OP apparently blocked me because he's a huge faggot.
User avatar #50 to #45 - ompalomper
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sun tzu said that a nation that has once been destroyed can never come again to being. the roman empire had become more then a bunch of land, it had become the idea of a vast empire and once it was no longer a vast empire it was no longer the roman empire and the nation was no more.

same with america. would america still be america if the civil war had resulted in a split of the nation? most likely not, it would probably the Northern Federation of American States or something like that.
User avatar #47 - Loppytaffy
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"As powerful as ancient Rome"
Please tell me America doesn't actually think that? Not even the height of the British Empire was as powerful as ancient Rome.
Nor Russia's height of power, nor Spain, France, or Sweden.

Egypt and Persia, maybe.
#55 to #47 - plainarcane **User deleted account**
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The United States has enough nuclear weapons in its arsenal to end human civilization as we know it. And during WW2 we could produce as much war material as the rest of the world put together, which would make us substantially more powerful than ancient Rome (I do admit we are not nearly as powerful now as we were back then).
#64 to #47 - biscuitsunited
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Nope, the British empire at its height was the largest mankind had ever seen, While Mr alexandervascus may be right, the brits Sir Arthur Wellsley,Duke of Wellington's sound military genius allowed them to fight of numbers far greater than their own. (just to stop any rants, wellington mostly fought against enemy troops as well armed as his, if not better)
#68 to #64 - alexandervascus
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Pretty much any decisive British military victory involved a Duke of Wellington.    
Arthur Wellesley is a genius plain and simple.   
   
#RememberWaterloo
Pretty much any decisive British military victory involved a Duke of Wellington.
Arthur Wellesley is a genius plain and simple.

#RememberWaterloo

#70 to #68 - biscuitsunited
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WELLSLEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!
#71 to #70 - alexandervascus
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User avatar #65 to #64 - biscuitsunited
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The Romans where cool, just not as powerful.
#54 to #47 - alexandervascus
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To be fair, Rome didn't have jet planes, tanks, nucelar missiles, missile cruisers, aircraft carriers, fully automatic machine guns... But in comparison, America does in fact have the strongest military in the world and in history. However, if you were to compare some of Ancient Rome's developments by modern day currency. What like a single ship of simple condiment like garum would be worth millions of US dollars.

But if you ask me, Rome was far more disciplined and respectable militarily. Not as powerful but far more respectable. Especially since it faced some of the most brutal of threats the world has ever seen. Gaulatea, Britannia, Carthagos, the Greeks, the Egyptians.
#59 to #54 - Spikeydeath
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three soliders you never wanted to see in ancient times
Immortals, Spartan and a centurion
User avatar #95 to #59 - inferuz
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What about a bloodlusted celt?
User avatar #121 to #95 - thebrownydestroyer **User deleted account**
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Weren't they the naked ones?
#61 to #59 - alexandervascus
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I think the Gauls deserve a fair mention as well. Afterall, after they were conquered by Rome, Romans started worshiping their Gods too. Including adding it into their religion as Rosmerta being married to Mercury for example. Gauls became Roman citizens, could become politicians, land owners and soldiers.
#62 to #61 - Spikeydeath
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Oh hell yeah they where ******* badasses, but nowhere near my top 3, My top five actually spans the dawn of civilization to the Renaissance
#66 to #62 - alexandervascus
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I pretty much include Gauls in the top three because they become Centurions haha. Greeks lived in slavery of Roman rule for a good damn while, whilst Gauls after Alesia pretty much just accepted the Roman's as their betters and joined freely. (Except for Vercingetorex, he was in prison for like three years and then strangled in the streets for not renouncing his allegiance)    
   
   
If I had a list it'd be.    
   
1st.  Roman Miles   
2nd. Spartans   
3rd. Immortals   
4th. Chivalric Knights   
5th. Samurai (Merely because Samurai swords can't beat Knight platemail period, it was a cutting sword not a stabbing sword)
I pretty much include Gauls in the top three because they become Centurions haha. Greeks lived in slavery of Roman rule for a good damn while, whilst Gauls after Alesia pretty much just accepted the Roman's as their betters and joined freely. (Except for Vercingetorex, he was in prison for like three years and then strangled in the streets for not renouncing his allegiance)


If I had a list it'd be.

1st. Roman Miles
2nd. Spartans
3rd. Immortals
4th. Chivalric Knights
5th. Samurai (Merely because Samurai swords can't beat Knight platemail period, it was a cutting sword not a stabbing sword)
#69 to #66 - Spikeydeath
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Top 5 for me would be
Immortals
Spartans
Centurions
Aztec Jaguars
Egyptian Chariot Drivers(cant remember there names either)

Gaul Foot Soldiers (seriously Cannot remember there names) would be at 6 or 7
#72 to #69 - alexandervascus
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We really don't precisely what gauls called themselves, but pretty much all units had a specific name, usually based on their Gods. I think calvaryman were called Eponixtos after  Epona the Goddess of horses and travel.   
   
I probably should have placed Pirates above Knights. Flintlock pistols bro,  and we all know what happened to the Samurai when faced with guns...   
   
But it was a spur of the moment list.
We really don't precisely what gauls called themselves, but pretty much all units had a specific name, usually based on their Gods. I think calvaryman were called Eponixtos after Epona the Goddess of horses and travel.

I probably should have placed Pirates above Knights. Flintlock pistols bro, and we all know what happened to the Samurai when faced with guns...

But it was a spur of the moment list.
#74 to #72 - Spikeydeath
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Pirates, its all about where... the Caribbean pirates where a lot more merciless than the european pirates
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Well, merciless is one thing. I'd say European pirates were some downright badasses, I mean they were closer to the Empire so they faced some danger. Most European pirates ended up becoming said Caribbean pirates.
#76 to #75 - Spikeydeath
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my favorites where Jean Lafitte and Francois l'Olonnais i remember reading a book in highschool my history teacher gave me... and man those two where INSANE

also i like you we could be friends rofl
#77 to #76 - alexandervascus
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I only knew about Francois l'Olonnais. Ravaged the Spanish west indies like a boss.
#78 to #77 - Spikeydeath
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He ate ******* hearts man, he was a ******* loonatic...he hated spain so much...
User avatar #79 to #78 - alexandervascus
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Nobody really liked the Spanish much then, but he did take it to another level...
#163 to #54 - anon id: e2c925a8
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The U.S. faced the Germans twice, the Japanese, the Chinese, the DPRK, the USSR, and Britain. Also, Rome owned slaves and ate lead because they thought it tasted good. Not a model of being respectable.
User avatar #164 to #163 - alexandervascus
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I was speaking of individual drilling of soldiers. Look at what the Americans had at each of those engagements and then compare it to Rome. Plus the whole Romans eating lead thing, they ate even weirder ****. You also have to consider they realized to toxicity of lead, for example most of their aqueducts for running water and sinks were composed of lead. Emphasis on WERE, they stripped them out.

Rome owned slaves because it was normal, and I respect the fact that they owned slaves. Those slaves were fools, Rome showed mercy on almost every engagement. Rome respected the strong, after you were defeated they gave you a choice, surrender and live as a Roman citizen, or not and work as a slave. I.e. Iceni Rebellion and Vercingetorix. I said NOT AS POWERFUL, but far more respectable.

America did some downright dishonorable things, chemical warfare (Agent Orange, yes I know it was a "herbicide" but come on, you can't tell me we didn't know it'd **** up people too.) We dropped the Atom bomb and carpet bombed entire cities. Rome was far more precise, willing to take heavy losses to occupy a city rather than subjugate it to cruelty. (They only did that if they were too stupid to renounce their loyalty, Rome saw it as simply as "If your loyalty earned you defeat, you've misplaced your loyalty, reconsider your allegiance.) Now, I'm not saying all times Rome was like that, it had some corrupt Caesars, but I speak mostly of the Augustinian and Julian dynasty. Caligula for example could go **** himself with the shoes he's named after.
User avatar #94 to #54 - inferuz
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Imagine what i was like to fight an army of spartans IN Sparta..
#96 to #94 - alexandervascus
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Yeah some guy tried that... Around 273 BC His name was Pyrrhus of Epirus, which is where the term Pyrrhic victory comes from. Also known as 'YOU GOT SERVED BITCH'
Yeah some guy tried that... Around 273 BC His name was Pyrrhus of Epirus, which is where the term Pyrrhic victory comes from. Also known as 'YOU GOT SERVED BITCH'
User avatar #158 to #96 - inferuz
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They weren't so badass then?
User avatar #159 to #158 - alexandervascus
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There's a post beneath this one that touches up on what I meant by "Pyrrhic Victory"

Pyrrhus of Epirus had completed only a handful of objectives and lost too many meny. (Around 20,000 by estimations) The Spartans were only numbered to be around 2,000 only because Areus I was off on campaign. The Macedonians and Romans were ravaged greatly by Pyrrhus early on, but Sparta held the line where others failed and Sparta received allied reinforcements mixture of Macedonian and Spartan soldiers where Pyrrhus was defeated. The battles was so costly the term "Pyrrhic Victory" was made. Where only a handful of campaign objectives are met and the costs are too high to be truly consider any real victory.

(How I said it in my OP made it sound as if Pyrrhus won)
User avatar #97 to #96 - alexandervascus
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I'd like to add to my comment. If people don't know about the Siege of Sparta in 273 BC, the battle was such a loss for Pyrrhus where 95% of his army was destroyed (including War Elephants) that he only completed a few minor objectives despite everything being in his favor.

TL;DR Pyrrhus ****** up big time.
User avatar #86 to #54 - traelos
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Carthage was a bunch of Jewish pussies.
Don't forget, the Gauls were french.
Britannia was easily conquered, it was Caledonia that gave them pause. ******* Scots.
The Greeks were has-beens militarily by the time the Romans hit the scene.
The Egyptians were has-beens by the time the Romans hit the scene.

And while the Romans were certainly the greatest empire ever to exist, America's power base is fairly similar to theirs in terms of influence and relative GDP. We've even been doing a fairly good job of 'Americanizing' our future conque- I mean equals and allies. There's only two countries left in the world that don't sell coke.
User avatar #87 to #86 - alexandervascus
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I was going to say something in retaliation, but then I realized it wouldn't be worth the effort. Have fun doing things
#83 - yunomew
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Texas should become its own country
Texas should become its own country
User avatar #150 to #83 - noblekira
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Wait i thought America was just known as North Texas and texas was a country, also canada is north north texas inb4 im stupid, its a joke
User avatar #108 to #83 - maxoverderp
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Been there, done that.
User avatar #144 to #108 - yunomew
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so you live in another universe where Texas actually becomes its own country but fails and goes back to the US?
User avatar #155 to #144 - maxoverderp
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If by "another universe" you mean "this universe" then yes, yes I do.
#5 - allnamesrtaken
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Although I realized exactly what you said in the description a few days ago while studying Ancient Rome, the USA is missing one crucial part of what led to Ancient Rome's downfall. Diseases. Sure there's Cancer, Aids, Diabeetus, and some others, but Rome had several crippling plagues that destroyed their society. They had troubles maintaining their military, driving their economy into the ground, as they had to pay for Germanic soldiers to guard their fronts. There were other results of these diseases, of course.
User avatar #6 to #5 - konradkurze [OP]
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well usa isnt doing so great maintaining its military, more and more men are deserting rather than continue executing innocent arabs in the name of corporations and the banks
hence why usa is militarizing its police to protect its assets at home from any potential uprisings of disillusioned soldiers

we have yet to see how bad obamacare ***** things up with more patients registered and no real rise in the number of medical staff to cope

#8 to #5 - angrylittleman
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Dont forget the ridiculous power the Praetorians wielded. They tended to kill off emperors, like Pertinax. After killing him, they auctioned the position to Didius Julianus. This eventually led to yet another civil war
User avatar #10 to #5 - moribus
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Obesity.
#21 to #10 - skaffanl
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Ah man if obesity will be the crucial disease that will lead to the USA's downfall I will laugh my ******* ass off!
Ah man if obesity will be the crucial disease that will lead to the USA's downfall I will laugh my ******* ass off!
User avatar #49 to #5 - fuckthehabs
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Disease is a factor, but a bigger problem is corruption. Look into the decline of the Ottoman Empire if you want to see what large scale corruption can and will lead I'm not putting my money on the US collapsing any time soon, but if it does, I guarantee you corruption plays a bigger role than disease (unless of zombie apocalypse, then its GG)
User avatar #7 to #5 - orionthegreat
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You also forgot how the whole Christianity thing alienated Rome form all of its outlying provinces. Before hand Rome was real tolerant of other religions cause they just had to accept the emperor as a god and polytheism is basically the same everywhere it is developed. But then Christianity was adopted by Constantine and the whole thing was screwed up. So when all the Germanic people began to flood into Rome they were much more alienated than other Germans and Celts form centuries past who were absorbed into the empire.
User avatar #91 - theundone
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Collapse (Post Amerika) - Rise Against [HQ] Seems relevant
User avatar #93 to #91 - theundone
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Survivor's Guilt- Rise Against- Endgame That, was the wrong song.
User avatar #125 to #93 - xxhadesflamesxx
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thank you this will be on my ipod soon
User avatar #100 to #93 - medewu
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I like them both anyways.. <3
#122 - phudgepacker
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While everyone here is engaging in heated politicql debates and whatnot, im just sitting here laughing at "coming to an America near you"
#52 - scowler
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Ignore KonradKurze. He's just here to start trouble.
#38 - ampy
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Whenever I see a post like this.
#41 to #38 - konradkurze [OP]
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#130 to #38 - chaosfanatic
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Have a bigger one
User avatar #157 to #130 - ampy
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When we enlarge our pics, they are the same size. I have no clue why my pic's thumbnail came out so small.