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Submitted: 11/19/2012
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#29 - jaykupself **User deleted account** has deleted their comment [-]
#2 - lordhaha ONLINE (11/20/2012) [+] (3 replies)
Agenda 21 isn't a better world ><
#46 - deltadeltadelta (11/20/2012) [-]
10 years ago, the global warming deniers were saying it wasn't happening. Now they're saying it's happening, but humans aren't the reason why. In 10 years they'll be saying humans are the reason, but it's too late to do anything about it.
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User avatar #1 - allamericandude (11/20/2012) [+] (7 replies)
Most people these days don't have a problem with the fact that the Earth is warming. The debate is how much humans are contributing to it..

People on both sides are treating global warming like the be-all-end-all of environmentalism, but it shouldn't be. Even if the Earth wasn't warming, it would still be good to have clean air and whatnot.

The problem I have with modern environmentalism is that there are a lot of ulterior motives behind it. Of course there's the "green" companies who have a lot of money to be made. But it's not just money, they are also after political power. If you listen to groups like Greenpeace for any longer than 5 seconds, you'll notice that they're more anti-capitalist than pro-environmentalist.

Also, there's quite a lot of elitism among environmentalists. They don't seem to understand that being able to drive hybrid cars and work in "green" jobs is a luxury of living in a first world country. Poorer countries can't afford some of the "green" initiatives that they are proposing.

You can't stop a man from cutting down a forest if he's doing it to feed his children.
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User avatar #14 to #6 - reican (11/20/2012) [-]

#51 - anonymous (11/20/2012) [+] (4 replies)
I think it's wrong to force people to "be better" by convincing them of green energy if it's real or not, people should live how they want. I'm not voicing my own views on this because I can't be ****** replying to little ***** who think they are in the know, whatever the cause, if a hoax improves peoples lives, that doesn't necessarily mean it's a good thing.
User avatar #54 to #51 - thunderkrux (11/20/2012) [-]
What if "letting them live how they want" is destructive and leaving less and less behind for future generations? What if "letting them live how they want" isn't what they really want, what if it's what they want because it's all they know?
User avatar #56 - glasgowrangers (11/20/2012) [+] (14 replies)
How does increasing the price of fuel lead to a better world?
#12 - daddycool (11/20/2012) [+] (15 replies)
Except we're not talking about creating a "better" world. We're talking about limiting the amount of energy people use. We're talking about curtailing liberties(the freedom to use as much electricity as you have money to pay for) in order to stop something that may not actually be happening. We're talking about things like instituting a limitation on how many children people can have, because the number of children you have is one of the biggest contributors to green house gases. We're talking about forcing people to become vegetarians, because another of the biggest contributors to green house gases is COW FARTS.

More than that, we're talking about creating a system whereby there is no less pollution in the world, merely a redistribution of wealth through carbon credits.

If it was about making a better world, I'd be behind it. But it's not. It's about control.
#35 to #25 - daddycool (11/20/2012) [-]
From the little that I've read about Polyface Farming, it sounds pretty awesome. I approve of the way he treats his animals and it sounds like a very ecologically friendly way to farm.

Unfortunately, it's not gonna work. Specifically because of urban centers like New York making buying locally unworkable. It takes a lot of land to create enough food for those millions of people and you're still not talking about the main, specific reason for forcing vegetarianism. Global warming.


"It's an accounting nightmare but depending on how it's done, livestock's contribution to climate change can be calculated as low as 5-10% of global emissions or as high as 50%. Last year, a Food Climate Research Network report concluded that UK meat and dairy consumption was responsible for 8% of the country's total greenhouse gas emissions. But however it's counted, livestock farming ranks as one of the three greatest sources of climate changing emissions and one of the largest contributors to environmental degradation."

Because of the methane that animals produce and the cost to ship the meat, they're among the worst offenders on the global warming front. It's actually better for the environment(if you believe in global warming, which I don't) for you to give up meat and drive an SUV than it is to eat meat and ride a bicycle.

I'd certainly like to see more of the Polyface Farm ideas implemented. I think in a whole lot of America it could be used and would probably create a far better environment for everyone if it was implemented. I really like the idea, I just don't think it's going to be the solution.
User avatar #77 - durkadurka ONLINE (11/20/2012) [-]
Except that the means of achieving some of these usually involve punishing someone else (ie Cap and trade, higher fuel prices, more expensive products etc.)

Nobody is against clean water, healthy children, etc, this is just a strawman argument.
#67 - readyfourchan (11/20/2012) [+] (1 reply)
ITT: 12 year olds expressing their parent's opinion's on global warming.
User avatar #33 - facedodge (11/20/2012) [+] (5 replies)
Conservatives/Republicans don't have any issue with green technology. We like clean air and water. We live here too.

The difference is that we don't think CO2 is causing global warming. CO2 has nothing to do with dirty water or air. There has been no warming in 16 years.
www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16 -years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released--chart-prove-it.html

We believe that doubling or tripling the price of energy so that these much more expensive ways to produce energy can compete is not right.

User avatar #82 - infinitereaper (11/20/2012) [-]
Human Logic:

Finding clean energy and taking steps towards not ******* everything up is just too... hard.

Think about the economy!

In a nutshell its like this: Save puppy from fire instead of putting out fire/fire kills you both because you ignored it.
User avatar #78 - ronyx (11/20/2012) [-]
The excuse most countries like China say is that it would cost way too much money to reduce the pollution. But I don't think they realize that in the future when the world is all ****** up the cost will be immensely bigger than it would cost right now to put measures to reduce pollution.
User avatar #70 - kustomforce (11/20/2012) [+] (3 replies)
ok who made this? can they please just go die or something thank you.

it will only create a better world if Man-Made global warming is true if it is not it will **** everyone's economies, just ask the third-world countries trying to build up an economy and CAN'T because then they'd be violating these stupid "climate laws".

most of the goals on the big screen have already been achieved and the others can be accomplished by other means.

i do NOT approve of this post.

thank you for your time.
#57 - shoryuken (11/20/2012) [-]
I assume everyone is playing devils advocate in the comments below
I assume everyone is playing devils advocate in the comments below
#55 - doctordalek ONLINE (11/20/2012) [+] (2 replies)
I feel like there's really no use doing anything on an individual level about going green. Just because I turn off my lights and drive a chevy volt doesn't mean everyone else is.   
It's things like cars, factories, and energy plants that create such a dirty planet, and it is only a matter of time before they become cleaner. So I'm not really worried.
I feel like there's really no use doing anything on an individual level about going green. Just because I turn off my lights and drive a chevy volt doesn't mean everyone else is.

It's things like cars, factories, and energy plants that create such a dirty planet, and it is only a matter of time before they become cleaner. So I'm not really worried.
User avatar #85 to #55 - certifiedidiot ONLINE (11/20/2012) [-]
And if everyone shared your mentality, **** would never ever get done in this world

''Nah, if I don't do it I know someone else will make sure it gets done eventually''
#26 - leonjoker (11/20/2012) [-]
Green Jobs, Steve Jobs' not so popular brother.
User avatar #20 - juciefruit ONLINE (11/20/2012) [+] (1 reply)
The world is a reflection of society, and Government. If it's crap then.....
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