Login or register
> hey anon, wanna give your opinion?
#7 - anon id: 7d0bf639
Reply 0 123456789123345869
(07/12/2013) [-]
Before this stupid ******* goes on too long i would like you all to look up records and letters written by early presidents. The point of separating church and state was to make sure the religious problems plaguing Europe wouldn't come here. Also many time for the first hundred or so years or america the congress building regularly hosted christian sermons and government fund were provided to send missionaries to the indian tribes. George Washington himself sent a large number of letters to the Pope and contacted him on a regular basis for theological concerns. In all honesty the idea of secularism that we understand today did not even exist at this time as there was no real counterargument to creationism. Hell, the basis of the declaration of independence was the concept of being endowed by OUR CREATOR with unalienable rights. The entire basis of this argument is flawed because secularists think that their understanding of secularism is the same as today.
User avatar #21 to #7 - osimonmagus
Reply -5 123456789123345869
(07/13/2013) [-]
The Founding Fathers were all self proclaimed deists or atheists. Many of them were also Masons, where even though the United States hyper-christian nonsense has plagued the lodges with the Christian God, are actually believes in the Grand Architect of the Universe. Not saying you cannot be a Mason and believe in the Christian God, but prior to the creation of the United States, Masons were very rarely subscribed to any specific religion and were in-fact deists. Sorry, but Bible thumpers are wrong. In God We Trust was not added to money till the 50's and Under God was not in the Pledge until the late 40's This is right around the time where ******* crazy buffet style Christians made their rise and all of a sudden the United States was a Christian nation. Now you have idiots like Glenn Beck and Hannity preaching to the mentally retarded and actually making people of both major parties (Rep. and Dem.) believe that the United States should be governed by Christian law which is as damn near as ridiculous as Sharia Law. Now, class dismissed. You have been schooled enough for one day.
#49 to #21 - I Am Monkey
Reply +3 123456789123345869
(07/13/2013) [-]
No founding fathers were "self proclaimed atheists". If you want to speculate, have a field day, but none of them are "self proclaimed". They were all either Deists or Christians. Just off the top of my head; John Jay and John Adams were both Christians, Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin were both Deists. None of them were Atheists.
#11 to #7 - anon id: 6905dc49
Reply 0 123456789123345869
(07/13/2013) [-]
The entire basis of this argument is flawed because Christians think that their understanding of Christianiy is the same as today.
#8 to #7 - teranin [OP]
Reply +30 123456789123345869
(07/12/2013) [-]
Deist is not christian. Our nation is not, nor was ever claimed to be, a christian nation, it is a nation wherein the founders wanted people to be able to rationally choose their own beliefs. George Washington is one of very few founding fathers who never explicitly described what his religious beliefs were, and he could very well have been Christian, but the founding documents of this nation were written by a group of men who were dramatically and predominantly Deist

Every phrase and circumstance are marked with the barbarous hand of superstitious torture, and forced into meanings it was impossible they could have. The head of every chapter, and the top of every page, are blazoned with the names of Christ and the Church, that the unwary reader might suck in the error before he began to read. ~Thomas Paine
#15 to #8 - oedad
Reply -6 123456789123345869
(07/13/2013) [-]
Well the Founding fathers were predominately slave owners so i guess that's cool right?
User avatar #19 to #15 - osimonmagus
Reply +1 123456789123345869
(07/13/2013) [-]
Every culture has had slaves. Just because the United States was the last country that actually means something to the world to have slaves doesn't mean they are any worse than the others.
If you are going to hate on the United States for slavery then you are simply being a bigot for ignoring every single other race and country who has had slaves and singling out one nation and one people.