Why Islam is a good thing
And that is why Islam is
best religion
If Islam is good why is
yuor capital Islamabad?
best religion
If Islam is good why is
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theblackhorntail (12/05/2014) [-] No it doesn't. It commonly means populous. en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D8%A2%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%AF
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thelizardqueen ONLINE (12/05/2014) [-] if thay are gods people why do thay have sand and we have dirt
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rejakted (12/05/2014) [-] Pakistan mentioned. Swell corruption and declining quality of education. And, surprisingly, less Aloha Snackbars than before.
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angelusprimus (12/05/2014) [-] If a religion has to have a rule that anyone converting out of it has to be killed, or lose family and property, to stop people from converting out of it, knows that its **** .
If you really are best, you don't have to stop people from leaving, you have trouble keeping up with those that want in.
If you really are best, you don't have to stop people from leaving, you have trouble keeping up with those that want in.
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commontroll (12/05/2014) [-] And criticizing Islam or Muhammad. Muhammad had tons of poets executed/assassinated for criticizing him. But hey, he was a peaceful, and forgiving man of God who liked rubbing his dick between a 6 year old girl's thighs until she was nine and he finally did the deed when she was "mature enough."
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definitelynotarab (12/05/2014) [-] Criticizing anything about islam isn't punishable by death and in most cases isn't punishable at all and it's clearly stated in the quran in several verses that the only things that are to be punished by death are Murder Rape and Adultery while married as i stated before, and this is supported by the verse 5:32 from the Quran
'We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.'
And it was interpreted in a Hadith that 'corruption' here is interpreted as illegal sexual acts, in this case rape and cheating on a spouse by intercourse.
'We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.'
And it was interpreted in a Hadith that 'corruption' here is interpreted as illegal sexual acts, in this case rape and cheating on a spouse by intercourse.
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definitelynotarab (12/05/2014) [-] Although the case of Syria isn't a religious war but a civil war, i understand the point you're trying to make.
almost >all< murders for having a different religion occur in poor areas like Pakistan, afghanistan, etc. these places lack education and illiteracy is very high. It's very easy to make up verses and have others believe them, and although most people dont, some people fall for it. If you need any more elaboration reply again
almost >all< murders for having a different religion occur in poor areas like Pakistan, afghanistan, etc. these places lack education and illiteracy is very high. It's very easy to make up verses and have others believe them, and although most people dont, some people fall for it. If you need any more elaboration reply again
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commontroll (12/05/2014) [-] 6:93 - "Who can be more wicked than one who inventeth a lie against Allah?"
(While this first one isn't about killing people for criticizing, why wouldn't the death penalty be used for saying a lie [aka anything going against what Muhammad said] about Islam if it's the most wicked thing you can do?)
33:57 - "Lo! those who malign Allah and His messenger, Allah hath cursed them in this world and the Hereafter, and hath prepared for them the doom of the disdained"
33:61 - [continues from above] "Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter."
wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Killings_Ordered_or_Supported_by_Muhammad
40 something people that Muhammad himself either supported having killed or ordered to be killed, some were pardoned for converting, most were killed. Including some who he said he would forgive.
(While this first one isn't about killing people for criticizing, why wouldn't the death penalty be used for saying a lie [aka anything going against what Muhammad said] about Islam if it's the most wicked thing you can do?)
33:57 - "Lo! those who malign Allah and His messenger, Allah hath cursed them in this world and the Hereafter, and hath prepared for them the doom of the disdained"
33:61 - [continues from above] "Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter."
wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Killings_Ordered_or_Supported_by_Muhammad
40 something people that Muhammad himself either supported having killed or ordered to be killed, some were pardoned for converting, most were killed. Including some who he said he would forgive.
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definitelynotarab (12/05/2014) [-] you actually skipped a few verses which had the answer to your question
33:60
"If the hypocrites and those in whose hearts is disease and those who spread rumors in al-Madinah do not cease, We will surely incite you against them; then they will not remain your neighbors therein except for a little"
Verse 33:61 isn't talking about non muslims in general. it's talking about a very certain group of people who tried to incite a war between Al Madinah Al Munawarah and The people of Mecca.
as for the link you sent me, it's blocked by the government where i am which i think speaks for the authenticity of the list
33:60
"If the hypocrites and those in whose hearts is disease and those who spread rumors in al-Madinah do not cease, We will surely incite you against them; then they will not remain your neighbors therein except for a little"
Verse 33:61 isn't talking about non muslims in general. it's talking about a very certain group of people who tried to incite a war between Al Madinah Al Munawarah and The people of Mecca.
as for the link you sent me, it's blocked by the government where i am which i think speaks for the authenticity of the list
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commontroll (12/05/2014) [-] I think it speaks more about your government and your religion controlling it so much than it does the validity of the site. I seem to recall a phrase about what it shows when you cut out a man's tongue. Do some research on Muhammad, he was pretty ****** up man.
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definitelynotarab (12/05/2014) [-] well that is quite an overreaction but ill turn on hotspot shield to view what you linked.
As for the Mohammed part, so far all ive read about him was pretty good and decent, and since this is a debate present to me what's so ****** up about him and prove me wrong instead of bursting like that, it doesn't help your case
As for the Mohammed part, so far all ive read about him was pretty good and decent, and since this is a debate present to me what's so ****** up about him and prove me wrong instead of bursting like that, it doesn't help your case
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commontroll (12/05/2014) [-] He ran away from Mecca with his followers and went to Medina and all, everybody knows that story, no biggy. He unite everybody in the city under the banner of Islam and fights off an attack. Problem is he demanded that he was not only a theocratic ruler, but also the military and political leader. Meaning that he now had as much power over the city as Kim does over in North Korea.
First thing he does when he has this power? He goes back to Mecca and says "Surrender or we kill you." Not exactly the most peaceful beginning of a religion, seeing how he stayed true to his word and killed or drove out anybody who did not convert. To this day Mecca is a city where non-Muslims aren't even allowed. And he didn't stop with Mecca, he conquered mostly through military might to spread his religion.
www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Wood/pedophile.htm
Then there's the whole Aishah thing. I'm not saying you shouldn't be Muslim, I'm Christian and there's ****** up stuff in the Bible, but to say that it doesn't support executing the critics is just false information.
First thing he does when he has this power? He goes back to Mecca and says "Surrender or we kill you." Not exactly the most peaceful beginning of a religion, seeing how he stayed true to his word and killed or drove out anybody who did not convert. To this day Mecca is a city where non-Muslims aren't even allowed. And he didn't stop with Mecca, he conquered mostly through military might to spread his religion.
www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Wood/pedophile.htm
Then there's the whole Aishah thing. I'm not saying you shouldn't be Muslim, I'm Christian and there's ****** up stuff in the Bible, but to say that it doesn't support executing the critics is just false information.
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definitelynotarab (12/05/2014) [-] (completion of the earlier post)
She hit puberty at an early age of 9, which is when they became 'officially' married. But he didn't live with her and she didn't move in to his house until she was 19, and there's also the fact where throughout her whole life she >wanted< to be with him, her parents didn't force her, it wasn't an arranged wedding and he didn't force her to stay with him.
She hit puberty at an early age of 9, which is when they became 'officially' married. But he didn't live with her and she didn't move in to his house until she was 19, and there's also the fact where throughout her whole life she >wanted< to be with him, her parents didn't force her, it wasn't an arranged wedding and he didn't force her to stay with him.
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definitelynotarab (12/05/2014) [-] You're right on the first paragraph but the second part didn't go exactly like that.
He had to escape Mecca otherwise be killed. When he had the power he went back to mecca (as you mentioned) but the events werent instant punishment.
He gave them four months to join them otherwise be killed
9:2 "So travel freely, [O disbelievers], throughout the land [during] four months" quran.com/9/2
And after the four months are over and if they still refuse to join the muslims and surrender they are to be killed
9:5 "And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful." quran.com/9/5
But there's a trick to it, the people who didn't have a role in kicking out the muslims, and the non muslims who didn't have any role to do in the crimes that were done to the remaining muslims who couldn't escape were not punished. The 'kill them wherever you find them' only applied to the non believers who were involved in persecution of muslims.
9:6 "and if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah . Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know ." quran.com/9/6
9:7 "How can there be for the polytheists a treaty in the sight of Allah and with His Messenger, except for those with whom you made a treaty at al-Masjid al-Haram? So as long as they are upright toward you, be upright toward them . Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him]." quran.com/9/7
As for Aisha, he didn't marry her at 6. She told her mother she wanted to marry him, her mother talked to Mohammed and he said wait until she hits puberty because she doesn't know what she's saying yet. (word limit reached)
He had to escape Mecca otherwise be killed. When he had the power he went back to mecca (as you mentioned) but the events werent instant punishment.
He gave them four months to join them otherwise be killed
9:2 "So travel freely, [O disbelievers], throughout the land [during] four months" quran.com/9/2
And after the four months are over and if they still refuse to join the muslims and surrender they are to be killed
9:5 "And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful." quran.com/9/5
But there's a trick to it, the people who didn't have a role in kicking out the muslims, and the non muslims who didn't have any role to do in the crimes that were done to the remaining muslims who couldn't escape were not punished. The 'kill them wherever you find them' only applied to the non believers who were involved in persecution of muslims.
9:6 "and if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah . Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know ." quran.com/9/6
9:7 "How can there be for the polytheists a treaty in the sight of Allah and with His Messenger, except for those with whom you made a treaty at al-Masjid al-Haram? So as long as they are upright toward you, be upright toward them . Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him]." quran.com/9/7
As for Aisha, he didn't marry her at 6. She told her mother she wanted to marry him, her mother talked to Mohammed and he said wait until she hits puberty because she doesn't know what she's saying yet. (word limit reached)
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definitelynotarab (12/05/2014) [-] there are quranic verses that clearly state apostasy / leaving islam is not to be punished Quran 2:256
quran.com/2/256
quran.com/2/256
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angelusprimus (12/05/2014) [-] What you quoted says that people can't be forced to accept Islam (though we know how well THAT is being respected) not that they can't be forced to stay. Actually Quran says they have to be seriously chastised:
He who disbelieves in Allah after his having believed, not he who is compelled while his heart is at rest on account of faith, but he who opens (his) breast to disbelief-- on these is the wrath of Allah, and they shall have a grievous chastisement.
— Quran 16:106
supported by:
Make ye no excuses: ye have rejected Faith after ye had accepted it. If We pardon some of you, We will punish others amongst you, for that they are in sin.
— Quran 9:66
Which is then open to interpretation since to places with majority muslims islam is as much form of government and law as religion.
On the other hand, Hadiths are far more specific:
Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."
— Sahih al-Bukhari, 9:83:17
Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.'
— Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:260
Almost every country in islamic world has laws that punish apostasy either with death, jail and huge fines or absolving their marriages and taking their children.
Those that do not, have laws that severely punish those that try to convert others.
He who disbelieves in Allah after his having believed, not he who is compelled while his heart is at rest on account of faith, but he who opens (his) breast to disbelief-- on these is the wrath of Allah, and they shall have a grievous chastisement.
— Quran 16:106
supported by:
Make ye no excuses: ye have rejected Faith after ye had accepted it. If We pardon some of you, We will punish others amongst you, for that they are in sin.
— Quran 9:66
Which is then open to interpretation since to places with majority muslims islam is as much form of government and law as religion.
On the other hand, Hadiths are far more specific:
Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."
— Sahih al-Bukhari, 9:83:17
Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.'
— Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:260
Almost every country in islamic world has laws that punish apostasy either with death, jail and huge fines or absolving their marriages and taking their children.
Those that do not, have laws that severely punish those that try to convert others.
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definitelynotarab (12/05/2014) [-] the first verse actually translates to this quran.com/16/106
it uses the words 'great punishment' , but the arabic word used her for punishment is exclusively used for punishment on judgement day ( 'athab' )
quran.com/9/66
Same case here, the arabic word used here 'nu'athib' is the same root word used in the earlier verse 16:106 , which still refers to judgement day punishment, nothing in actual life.
As for the actual Hadith the first one (9:83:17) i couldn't find in the Sahih Bukhari book that i have which most scholars have agreed to be the most accurate (as there are a lot of fake hadiths, as opposed to the quran with no alterations whatsoever).
The second one i did find, but this goes back to my other reply which i'll requote "The only piece of islamic scripture that hints at the death sentence for apostasy is a 3 word hadith 3 words in arabic "him who leaves, kill him" But then again when taken in context has a different meaning. It wasn't concerning apostasy / leaving islam. It's regarding treason at times of war, as back then there was no dedicated army, any able bodied muslim man will be called upon to defend the frontiers against attacks , therefore if a muslim shall leave islam and join the ranks of the enemy forces he is to be killed but its also stated in the quran that if they do not join the enemies they are not to be killed "
This concept still applied to the times of Ali and at the times of a civil war outbreak it was even more relevant
it uses the words 'great punishment' , but the arabic word used her for punishment is exclusively used for punishment on judgement day ( 'athab' )
quran.com/9/66
Same case here, the arabic word used here 'nu'athib' is the same root word used in the earlier verse 16:106 , which still refers to judgement day punishment, nothing in actual life.
As for the actual Hadith the first one (9:83:17) i couldn't find in the Sahih Bukhari book that i have which most scholars have agreed to be the most accurate (as there are a lot of fake hadiths, as opposed to the quran with no alterations whatsoever).
The second one i did find, but this goes back to my other reply which i'll requote "The only piece of islamic scripture that hints at the death sentence for apostasy is a 3 word hadith 3 words in arabic "him who leaves, kill him" But then again when taken in context has a different meaning. It wasn't concerning apostasy / leaving islam. It's regarding treason at times of war, as back then there was no dedicated army, any able bodied muslim man will be called upon to defend the frontiers against attacks , therefore if a muslim shall leave islam and join the ranks of the enemy forces he is to be killed but its also stated in the quran that if they do not join the enemies they are not to be killed "
This concept still applied to the times of Ali and at the times of a civil war outbreak it was even more relevant
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angelusprimus (12/05/2014) [-] I'm really glad that's how you see it, and if there were more people thinking like you I'd have a far easier time with Islam.
Even in fairly rich and educated countries like Brunei converting out is punished by death. There is literally no islamic country where there isn't some punishment imposed at least on person who teaches another religion.
As many as 34% of third generation muslim in BRITAIN think that conversion should be a death crime.
Even in fairly rich and educated countries like Brunei converting out is punished by death. There is literally no islamic country where there isn't some punishment imposed at least on person who teaches another religion.
As many as 34% of third generation muslim in BRITAIN think that conversion should be a death crime.
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definitelynotarab (12/05/2014) [-] Cheer up, surveys in Qatar, UAE, Bahrain, Kuwait and Oman often yield a rate of less than 0.5%, sometimes 0% who support the death penalty for conversion.
And the thing is, in countries like Britain and France new converts to islam (which is a lot) generally go smoothly through the process but the moment they come in contact with some things coming out of Saudi Arabia it affects them in a certain way where they'd believe things that arent actually islamic, the problem lies in Saudi Arabia abusing it's privilege of being home of Mecca in order to fulfill it's agenda, but that's another topic.
Sharia Law has the death penalty for 2 crimes, Saudi Arabia has the death penalty for 8
And the thing is, in countries like Britain and France new converts to islam (which is a lot) generally go smoothly through the process but the moment they come in contact with some things coming out of Saudi Arabia it affects them in a certain way where they'd believe things that arent actually islamic, the problem lies in Saudi Arabia abusing it's privilege of being home of Mecca in order to fulfill it's agenda, but that's another topic.
Sharia Law has the death penalty for 2 crimes, Saudi Arabia has the death penalty for 8
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testaburger (12/05/2014) [-] And I'm sure some other muslim can find verses that say it must be punished.
Quoting verses means jack **** .
Quoting verses means jack **** .
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definitelynotarab (12/05/2014) [-] But these verses, when put together, are almost all of Islam. Quoting verses is literally quoting islamic rules and laws so i dont see how it means 'jack ***** . And no, there's no verses that say it >must< be punished.
The only piece of islamic scripture that hints at the death sentence for apostasy is a 3 word hadith 3 words in arabic "him who leaves, kill him" But then again when taken in context has a different meaning. It wasn't concerning apostasy / leaving islam. It's regarding treason at times of war, as back then there was no dedicated army, any able bodied muslim man will be called upon to defend the frontiers against attacks , therefore if a muslim shall leave islam and join the ranks of the enemy forces he is to be killed but its also stated in the quran that if they do not join the enemies they are not to be killed
4:89** if they turn away**, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.
4:90 Except for those who take refuge with a people between yourselves and whom is a treaty or those who come to you, their hearts strained at [the prospect of] fighting you or fighting their own people. And if Allah had willed, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you. So** if they remove themselves from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not made for you a cause [for fighting] against them.**
No muslim was put to death for apostasy in the times of the prophet and the islamic caliphate, and the first interpretation of this hadith to state that apostates shall be executed didn't surface until the 1700s by Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab
The only piece of islamic scripture that hints at the death sentence for apostasy is a 3 word hadith 3 words in arabic "him who leaves, kill him" But then again when taken in context has a different meaning. It wasn't concerning apostasy / leaving islam. It's regarding treason at times of war, as back then there was no dedicated army, any able bodied muslim man will be called upon to defend the frontiers against attacks , therefore if a muslim shall leave islam and join the ranks of the enemy forces he is to be killed but its also stated in the quran that if they do not join the enemies they are not to be killed
4:89** if they turn away**, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.
4:90 Except for those who take refuge with a people between yourselves and whom is a treaty or those who come to you, their hearts strained at [the prospect of] fighting you or fighting their own people. And if Allah had willed, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you. So** if they remove themselves from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not made for you a cause [for fighting] against them.**
No muslim was put to death for apostasy in the times of the prophet and the islamic caliphate, and the first interpretation of this hadith to state that apostates shall be executed didn't surface until the 1700s by Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab
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testaburger (12/05/2014) [-] There's always gonna be some serious interpretation at work when you're reading (understanding) old religious texts.
Just look at the literally thousands of different kinds of christians, all using the exact same holy book as a basis for their beliefs. They'll all point to bible verses to support their specific beliefs, and they all think their interpretation is the only correct one, which, to an outsider, just seems retarded.
The same goes for islam. It's a matter of interpretation, and the "look at these people they're not real muslims because the quran says X Y Z" is ******** , because I guarantee they will say the exact same thing about the first muslim and they'll quote their holy book and be like "see? he's clearly not a muslim"
Just look at the literally thousands of different kinds of christians, all using the exact same holy book as a basis for their beliefs. They'll all point to bible verses to support their specific beliefs, and they all think their interpretation is the only correct one, which, to an outsider, just seems retarded.
The same goes for islam. It's a matter of interpretation, and the "look at these people they're not real muslims because the quran says X Y Z" is ******** , because I guarantee they will say the exact same thing about the first muslim and they'll quote their holy book and be like "see? he's clearly not a muslim"
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definitelynotarab (12/05/2014) [-] You make a good point but there's a very big difference between the Bible and the quran.
In the bible there's a lot of metaphorical use and metaphors are used a lot, and there's also a lot of things that are exaggerated in the bible while the actual meaning isn't what is written. an example of this would be the story of god sending a bear to kill 42 children for laughing at a bald man. Obviously the bible here isn't stating that children that mock bald men are to be killed, but this can be interpreted in many ways.
The Quran takes a much different approach , and is almost always straight forward. In the very rare cases where the quran would make a metaphor it is very clearly stated before the verse that the following verse is a metaphor (ka'mathal which roughly translates to like the metaphor of ___ )
When a metaphor is not used in the quran it's usually always very straight forward such as the verses i previously quoted (if they turn away kill them, but if they ask for refugee between you protect them) and many other examples where the point is made in a few words that are very clear without making it poetical.
In the bible there's a lot of metaphorical use and metaphors are used a lot, and there's also a lot of things that are exaggerated in the bible while the actual meaning isn't what is written. an example of this would be the story of god sending a bear to kill 42 children for laughing at a bald man. Obviously the bible here isn't stating that children that mock bald men are to be killed, but this can be interpreted in many ways.
The Quran takes a much different approach , and is almost always straight forward. In the very rare cases where the quran would make a metaphor it is very clearly stated before the verse that the following verse is a metaphor (ka'mathal which roughly translates to like the metaphor of ___ )
When a metaphor is not used in the quran it's usually always very straight forward such as the verses i previously quoted (if they turn away kill them, but if they ask for refugee between you protect them) and many other examples where the point is made in a few words that are very clear without making it poetical.
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testaburger (12/05/2014) [-] How do you explain there being different groups of muslims, then?
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definitelynotarab (12/05/2014) [-] Islam remained intact as one religion without any sects for several hundred years, but the process began after Mohammed's death. When Mohammed died , there had to be a predecessor chosen to lead the country, and this is when the conflict arised. A group of people wanted a man called 'Abu Bakr Al sidik' to be the leader, while another group wanted another called Ali to lead. Ultimately Abu Bakr became the leader and he had Ali's full support, but a group of people split and waged war against the caliphate of Abu Bakr.
Now at this stage during the war both sides were still muslim and they had no differences in practices at all, the only difference between them was that they wanted different leaders. Both factions remained at war for over 50 years and the war finished at 680 AD. After the Assasination of Abu Bakr two more men became leaders, Omar and Uthman, and the split faction would get furious everytime one of them became a leader because it wasn't Ali. Eventually Ali became caliphate and when he died there was another civil war which caused (theoretically) the end of the muslim empire.
Fastforward a few hundred years later, in Iraq a group of people from the faction that believed Ali was supposed to be the first leader decided that the prophecy itself should have been given to Ali, not Mohammed, and that the message was misunderstood. They still followed the quran and hadith and practiced what normal muslims practice but they also introduced some rituals that are symbolic and serve the purpose of glorifying Ali (things like certain things performed during prayer).
From this point Islam split into Sunni and Shi'i, but the majority of muslims now (over 90%) follow the Sunni sect. Things like other different groups arent really 'different', it's just that Sunni and Shi'i islam have a couple of very big scholars that came and went throughout history which had very small differences in interpretation, differences that are small enough where it isnt a big diff.
Now at this stage during the war both sides were still muslim and they had no differences in practices at all, the only difference between them was that they wanted different leaders. Both factions remained at war for over 50 years and the war finished at 680 AD. After the Assasination of Abu Bakr two more men became leaders, Omar and Uthman, and the split faction would get furious everytime one of them became a leader because it wasn't Ali. Eventually Ali became caliphate and when he died there was another civil war which caused (theoretically) the end of the muslim empire.
Fastforward a few hundred years later, in Iraq a group of people from the faction that believed Ali was supposed to be the first leader decided that the prophecy itself should have been given to Ali, not Mohammed, and that the message was misunderstood. They still followed the quran and hadith and practiced what normal muslims practice but they also introduced some rituals that are symbolic and serve the purpose of glorifying Ali (things like certain things performed during prayer).
From this point Islam split into Sunni and Shi'i, but the majority of muslims now (over 90%) follow the Sunni sect. Things like other different groups arent really 'different', it's just that Sunni and Shi'i islam have a couple of very big scholars that came and went throughout history which had very small differences in interpretation, differences that are small enough where it isnt a big diff.
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funnyjunkforlife (12/05/2014) [-] pakistan mentioned swell with pr- *distant Allah Akbar * OH **** RUN
