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We' ll see about that.
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l/ l/ pen- capitalist pig...
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#2 - selfdenyingbeggar (11/27/2015) [-]
Psss...

The Nazis actually developed a Secret Space Program and so did the USA with the help of the Nazi scientists. (did you ever see their bell-shaped aircraft? Reversed engineered from ET technology).

There currently exists a SSP with the technology to travel around our Solar System.



some UFOs are ET. Some of them are ours.


We could be living in a Star Trek type reality but Earth is still under control of the Earth Secret Government Syndicates.



There's information about this online (with enough facts backing it up) look it up.

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User avatar #43 to #2 - xxdarkdanxx ONLINE (11/27/2015) [-]
the internet as a whole is just a giant tinfoil hat tbh
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#69 to #43 - selfdenyingbeggar (11/27/2015) [-]
Did you know that Mkultra was real? the documents were disclosed since the 70's I believe. Goggle it and learn what happened and then keep thinking that all unofficial stories are the concoction of tinfoil hat sick minds
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#8 to #2 - zomaru (11/27/2015) [-]
You got me
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#17 to #8 - selfdenyingbeggar (11/27/2015) [-]
I'm actually serious
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#30 to #2 - zielscheibe (11/27/2015) [-]
The big question , to me, is not IF there is other life out there in space ....

... but what kind of life. Waiting to be found.

And on UFO's - well i doubt that much of the known UFO sightings are actually of extra terrestrial origin. Most might be secret government projects ror simple missinterpretations of astronomical events .

BUT - some might be the real deal. What do we really know about space and our galaxy. Let alone the whole universe ?

Might be someone , someplace at some point in our history ( wich is rather short compared to thee mesozoic ) we got visited by advanced E.T. live.
Maybe even life we may not understand with only three dimensions to think in - inside a universe that might have more than 5 or even more than 11 dimensions of existance.

Might as well be they visited us with the same kind of interest a kid would stop and stare at an anthill in the woods. Trying to figure out what we are doing and wy.

Or we are the most advanced species there is sofar in space - and we will achive the oportunity to visit other more primitive lifeforms in our future ... if we do not kill our species before we develope the tech needed.

One way or another - we can neither deny nor confirm a true first contact with E.T. life sofar. But that makes the search for it so much more interesting.

As far as science goes , and if you do the math. E.T life is out there - and chances are that something out there is just as intelligent as we are .... but maybe in a whole different way.

We sent messangers into space with the Voyager 1 and 2 , Cassini satellites and so on. So if they are at least as smart as we are and able to travel through space.... sooner or later - they will know that we exist and what we are.

But what would they do with that knowledge ?

What would we be to them ? Would we even be worth the effort of visiting us in the first place ? Would we be ready to make first contact ? Would that event change us for the better .... or the worse ?

To finish this comment. We have government officials declaring they have been witness to events that no military or science on this planet is able to explain. And not just a few. Wich should make us , at least , wonder

If we look up into the night sky - is there someone watching back down at us ?

Have a bit of black science man to underline my big ass comment on a topic i love. Neil deGrasse Tyson On Life On Other Planets!(MUST WATCH!)
On Extraterrestrials
Dr. Michio Kaku & Stephen Hawking on Extraterrestrial Life (1/3) (E.T. LIFE FORMS SERIES)
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#32 to #30 - elementfall (11/27/2015) [-]
I'm asking myself this question:
Right now,there are software that "evolve" in a way,taking the best option of the dozen that have been tried in a virtual reality (at a small scale)
What if we are just the equivalent of it,but we are made from organic technology?
Could it be possible ?
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#39 to #32 - zielscheibe (11/27/2015) [-]
To answer that question we would first have to figure out how we ( carbon based lifeforms ) work at a sub atomic level.

Are those sub-atomic bit's of us really alive or just small pieces of matter following a mathematical code. Like a Software.

What is been alive - for if you die your atoms are still as heavy and useful to nature.
Your atoms will be simply regorged and *reanimated* - key word animated - like moving.

So if our definition of life is nought but atoms that are moving ( guided by some kind of mind / itelligence ) and absorbing energy to grow or split and reproduce with the energy consumed.... our computer generated AI's are just as alive as we are.

There is no place inside the human brain that holds our * spirit * or essence if you prefer.
The reason we are who we are is a process inside our mind during we ourselfs collide/ select informations provided by our neurons . And it is at this moment ( and that includes each moment we live in ) that the process of sorting out those signals between our neurons with the help of our * knowledge* ( wich is mostly just a bunch of trial and error memories stored in our subconsciousness - like * Fire hot - no touching* )


So by any means - we do not understand life completely yet.

We do not know why we are self conscious or at least why we are not a hive-minded species ...

So it could well be that we are a brain in a glass of nurishment fluid - because all we ever knew and weill know is nothing but information in a form of energy , provided by our sensori systems. Energy that could be provided by any computer programm advanced enough to simulate these kinds of stimuly.

So - noone knows for certain if we - or this reality - is in fact real.
* Dr. D- René Descartes* -Cogito, ergo sum ! That is all we can say -
I think therefore i am !

So , YES - it could be possible.
Jill Bolte Taylor's stroke of insight

Sorry for going all overboard like this - i just love these kind of things

Even thou we can not prove our reality to be * real * .One thing we can say for certain now is this - We are part of this universe ! We are made of stardust and made it all the way to this moment. We became selfaware bit's of stars - and as you read this , you are at least thinkig about the origins of *US* - of you - you are thinking of the origins of everything. And at the same time , we might understand that we are all part of that everything and connected to it

That is a damn mighty fine thing to do , for a big pile of stardust ....

Best Regards - have some science vids
"We Are Star Dust" - Symphony of Science
The Most Astounding Fact - Neil deGrasse Tyson

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User avatar #63 to #39 - chaosraptor (11/27/2015) [-]
bring on the 3-breasted girls

science is falling short in some areas
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#59 to #30 - zmranger (11/27/2015) [-]
Whatever it is, one thing I know for sure... someone will **** it!
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#50 to #2 - numbmind (11/27/2015) [-]
**numbmind used "*roll picture*"**
**numbmind rolled image** I choose to believe what I'm programmed to believe.
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#71 to #50 - selfdenyingbeggar (11/27/2015) [-]
LAYERS OF PROGRAMMING

While i cannot say for the first layers, I KNOW the others are real because I've worked on clearing my limiting Core Beliefs.

The first implants from the times of Atlantis -which we still have within our systems- are the cause of the belief systems of today. Details about this first layer of implants can not be disclosed right now, as the time for this has not come yet. Cobra just emphasizes that this created a separate reality which is the basis of the structure of the Matrix. We are still subject to that artificial structure.
We have been, and are still today, inside of the imprisonment of reincarnation and this is an important part of the programming.

The second layer of implants is received during every birth. This is one of the reasons that we forget our past lives. So all implants of every single birth are still present within us and every single life we do not remember is blocked by the layer of that specific incarnation.

The third layer of programming is made through our parents during our childhood, also still present in every childhood of every incarnation. These are emotional and mental patterns which are seeded in us and “provide” us with a basic form.

The fourth layer of programming is made by kindergardens and schools. It goes on later in the world of career and business we are consequently influenced in such a way that we are forced to stay inside the program of the Matrix. For example in universities, in physics, what is taught is more than 100 years old, it is ignoring the quantum physics, which by the way are also not completely up to date. Science is infiltrated with errors by intent, to prevent humanity from awakening: the second law of thermodynamics is designed in such a way to make it seem that free energy is something impossible. According to relativity theory, the speed of light is the highest speed possible. Superluminal velocity (faster than the speed of light) at which spacecrafts function, is therefore apparently not possible.

The fifth layer of programming is achieved through media, religions and organizations. This layer for example includes the program that everything related to UFO’s is considered as crazy. All this is installed to keep the masses inside of the program and to suppress open discussions about those issues. Open first contact can only happen when this barrier has been removed.



These is from notes a person took from a conference that was held and discussed that sort of information.
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#142 to #71 - anon (11/28/2015) [-]
Found the scientologist
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#143 to #142 - selfdenyingbeggar (11/28/2015) [-]
not scientologist. I don't even know what they do other than that their group is shady
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User avatar #15 to #2 - aussiebbqboy (11/27/2015) [-]
Looks like some one will have an "accident" real soon
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#13 to #2 - emiyashirou (11/27/2015) [-]
Here's some evidence supporting your argument
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User avatar #41 to #13 - wowxreally (11/27/2015) [-]
where is this from? I must know!
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#57 to #41 - emiyashirou (11/27/2015) [-]
Mudazumo Naki Kaikaku. World leaders playing mahjong very dramatically to determine international agreements and cheat all the ******* way without anyone caring, and the space nazi's threaten the planet so they use the only plausible defense, challenging them to mahjong. It makes pretty much no sense, but is still pretty intense and amazing.
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#119 to #2 - billburr (11/27/2015) [-]
We do travel around our solar system,,,
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User avatar #7 to #2 - thebenders ONLINE (11/27/2015) [-]
you know i tend to believe in aliens and **** like that but you are just way ******* out there
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#18 to #7 - selfdenyingbeggar (11/27/2015) [-]
That's why our world looks like it's upside down. Truth really is stranger than fiction. Movies like Matrix or The IOsland mirror how we've been put in an "artificial reality" (not in the sense that thisis a computer program, but a completely fake lifestyle that is not natural and we've been led to believe that's how things must be). In truth, there's no lack in this planet.
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User avatar #33 to #18 - fausticorn ONLINE (11/27/2015) [-]
>That's why our world looks like it's upside down.


exactly what drugs have you been doing today
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#35 to #33 - selfdenyingbeggar (11/27/2015) [-]
What i mean is we live in a sick society that think we're not all one human family. That's putting it in a very very simple way but still illustrates how far from Truth we've come
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#37 to #35 - fausticorn ONLINE (11/27/2015) [-]
We may have come far from the truth, but I can assure you, the truth isn't "DA GUBMENT DUN MADE A SECRIT PACT WIV DA ALIEUMS, AND CONTROL EVURYTHING! WAKE UP SHEEPLE YOU'LL SEE WHEN DISCLOSURE HAPPENS WINKY FACE"
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#48 to #37 - selfdenyingbeggar (11/27/2015) [-]
Can I ask why that would be so hard to believe?

The ex-Secretary of Defense has made that kind of claim in public.

I'm not using the term sheeple, it is very disrespectful and if you actually know of the programming/conditioning that people have endured you are compassionate about their situation.


Oh, that last part about disclosure... I just didn't like his tone and I admit I got pleasure from thinking when it would be revealed and he'd have to swallow his words. That's on me, my personal shortcoming.
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#49 to #48 - fausticorn ONLINE (11/27/2015) [-]
Yes, and Astronauts have claimed that they've seen UFOs
People claim to see Ghosts, too, are the Governments of the world in an alliance with the undead?
How about Moth man?
Bigfoot?
Nessy?

Are these claims any more or less valid than your own ridiculous claim?
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#52 to #49 - selfdenyingbeggar (11/27/2015) [-]
Bigfoot is actually another sentient being that resides on Earth but they hide from us because they fear us. They're extremely in tune with nature and can avoid detection.


I do believe in ghosts. They're souls trapped in the lower astral planes because they are still attached to things about their earthly life. normally they experienced trauma or something like that and can't let go.


My own mother had a dream about my great grandmother, after she died, and she let her know that she (greatgrandma) was good and she also let her know (my mom wasn't aware) that she was pregnant with me. She also told her to take care of me


My claims aren't ridiculous. There's a strategy made to look people who would touch these subjects seem like crazy. When you want to discredit a whole movement, you can focus and present on the media, those individuals that are the most fanatic, or crazy so that people will learn to associate the topics they talk about with cuckoness.
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User avatar #53 to #52 - fausticorn ONLINE (11/27/2015) [-]
Seek mental help.
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User avatar #19 to #18 - thebenders ONLINE (11/27/2015) [-]
dude you might need some help
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#20 to #19 - selfdenyingbeggar (11/27/2015) [-]
Why exactly?

You don't believe me, because you've been presented with the idea of what our world is all of your life, and so what I say sounds crazy to you, because you look at your own experience for reference and realize it's not true. I've just spent some time a lot of different informatin that has allowed me to see how this world is a lie, is fake.

Watch "they live!" and you'll kind of see what I mean.

go on youtube and look for "10 conspiracy theories that turned out to be true" you'll see things that are a fact that happened and were exposed and it will allow you to get a glimpse of the world we live in.
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User avatar #82 to #20 - emiyashirou (11/27/2015) [-]
"They Live!" is a movie, which and it's, you know, fiction, so you using it as 'information' about 'the Truth' is ******* hilarious.

And in that video, 10 and 9 were military propaganda (big woop, happens all the time)
8 is common knowledge
7 is literally capitalism
6 is propaganda again, which happens all the time
5 is something that countries have been doing for thousands of years
in 4 and 3's time, it's common knowledge the government didn't care about black people's rights at all
2 is propaganda again, been happening for hundreds if not thousands of years
1. The CIA builds relations with drug cartels mainly in order to gather, as is right in their name, information about them (also at one point to help fund countries fighting against the communists).

Also, not a single one of these points has anything to do with secret technology. Almost none of them should even count as conspiracies.
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#90 to #82 - selfdenyingbeggar (11/27/2015) [-]
Nope. CIA gets money for their black programs from the drug trade. That's why they don't want to make drugs legal when it's the smartest move.
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User avatar #92 to #90 - emiyashirou (11/27/2015) [-]
Making drugs legal, the smartest move? You're really so far up your ass you think the only reason drugs are illegal is because the government makes money off of them?

MKUltra the involuntary human experimentation was a dick move, I'll agree with that, but the project itself was effectively just a non-conventional weapon development program.

And Shock Doctrine, as I said, has been around for literally thousands of years (The Roman emperors used it over 2000 years ago)
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#100 to #92 - selfdenyingbeggar (11/27/2015) [-]
When taking hard drugsis treated like a health issue a lot of progress will be made. Right now by having the trade in the hands of criminals, there's no quality control for the substances. It creates a criminal business with profits of billions of dollars that can go into bribing authority figures and just generally rots society. Look at what alcohol prohibition did in it's short years.

You are so far gone that you think something like MkUltra is aceptable. Only a "dick move" We don't even know the worst of it because the worst of it was destroyed, those documents couldn't be released because their destruction was ordered.


And exactly! Human farming has been going on for thousands of years, and the old families who pull the strings behind the curtains back then are the ones who are still in power.
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User avatar #103 to #100 - emiyashirou (11/27/2015) [-]
MKUltra isn't any worse than the genocides which have occured countless times in history. And yeah, right, making all the drugs legal and allowing whoever wants drugs to buy them and get addicted without consequence is suuuuch a good idea. Your illuminati "the ones who pulled the strings 2000 ones ago are the ones still in power" has no solid evidence pointing to it whatsoever, nor do your hidden alien tech, ghost, bigfoot or molemen 'theories'
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#112 to #103 - selfdenyingbeggar (11/27/2015) [-]
Watch the video "Addiction in a Nutshell" to know the latest science on addiction, why it occurs. Our situation is creating more addicts.

The illuminati aren't the ones controlling everything. That's just a faction. That's why the term "Secret Earth Government Syndicates" is more appropriate.

As for the evidence... it's complicated. It's like playing Sudoku. You've got your hard facts. The things that we actually know happened. Not why just the thing in itself. Those are the numbers that are given in Sudoku. Then, you gotta work on your data and check the different theories about why something happened and see which matches more precisely the reality you're living.

For example: Did the USA really removed Qaddafi because of humanitarian purposes? or because he was creating an African economic union with it's own currency?

And then, you see if the things you don't have solid evidence for can be proven by others means. What I mean is, I can't show you the aircraft that has been developed in secret because I don't have access to it and the information is kept secret on purpose. But you can use certain hints like your understanding of human nature, to know that if we think we've got something valuable on our hands, if we have a "chicken that ***** golden eggs" you're gonna keep it secret from everyone else.
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User avatar #117 to #112 - emiyashirou (11/27/2015) [-]
I'm guessing the book it comes from covers the subject better, but that video is fallacious as **** . It's disregarding the fact that chemical imbalances in the brain cause withdrawal symptoms (i.e. addiction), and just focusing on sample groups where the people in the sample did not have free access to the drug, but were given specific amounts by medics.

It then concludes with the crap that you can't get addicted to drugs if you have good emotional support. For the psychological addiction factor, sure, but the physical chemical imbalance won't be prevented by emotional support, unless that emotional support stops

TL;DR version: The video addresses the psychological addiction and pretends the physical addiction doesn't exist.
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User avatar #118 to #117 - emiyashirou (11/27/2015) [-]
Oops, I stopped my second paragraph halfway.

"unless that emotional support stops them from using the drug in the first place."*
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#113 to #112 - selfdenyingbeggar (11/27/2015) [-]
That being said, it's on you to do the research.
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#89 to #82 - selfdenyingbeggar (11/27/2015) [-]
hmmm I'm not sure what video you watched. But tell me, how would you defend MkUltra?
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User avatar #94 to #89 - emiyashirou (11/27/2015) [-]
I only noticed after you asked that that there are ********* of videos with that name, I just clicked the first one that came up when I searched it.
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#87 to #82 - selfdenyingbeggar (11/27/2015) [-]
truth can be presented through a movie, a work of fiction. Remember V's words?

"an artist uses lies to tell the truth"

They call it "soft disclosure". Recent examples are the Mandarinn twist in Iron Man, which mirrors how fake terrorist threats are created in order to serve an agenda. In The Winter Soldier it mentions Project Paperclip and the plans to have people sacrifice their liberty to gain security.

"Shock Doctrine"

Create the problem- terrorist attack

wait for the reaction- people are shocked an in fear their cognitive process is muddled

Present the solution- tell them that in order to protect them from the threat, you need more power and control and they need to sacrifice some of their liberties.



Did you know that if you gently change the temperature in water that a frog is in, you could kill it without it ever jumping? If you change it drstically they notice it and jump.


As long as you erode people's liberties bit by bit they won't mind that much until one day they'll look back and realize just how much freedom they've truly lost.
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#23 to #2 - sharklazers (11/27/2015) [-]
I might be retarded but this is actually believable
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#27 to #23 - selfdenyingbeggar (11/27/2015) [-]
It is! it just goes extremely against what we've been taught, but we aren't even taught "real history".

There are some Secret Space Program (or Breakaway civilization it is also called) whistleblowers.

And when you really think about it, it does make sense that people would want to keep advanced technology secret and for themselves because that gives them power. If I can think of it so can they.

Supposedly that's why the US government didn't want to acknowledge Roswell because they didn't want the Russians to know they acquired ET technology cus they didn't want to share it.


Also, remember the whole world is in debt, supposedly funds from our economy have been redirected towards the SSP.


www.cbsnews.com/news/the-war-on-waste/


This particular announcement makes me think that the money that was sent but they can't figure out on what, was directed towards the SSP.



And also, supposedly, the situation in Syria is a proxy war and currently there's a fight here on Earth to make disclosure happen, remove the Secret Earth Governments from power and the creation of a new financial system that isn't based in debt. (Which is a system some refer to as "babylonian money magic" that basically creates debt slaves and concentrates the money gradually in fewer and fewer hands.)
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#28 to #2 - dasbrot ONLINE (11/27/2015) [-]
ok
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#31 to #28 - selfdenyingbeggar (11/27/2015) [-]


UFO ridicule was also a thing. You're crazy if you believe in UFOs. Now we know it is something known in the military that pilots were told not to speak of their encounters with UFOs and that there was to be a conscious effort to ridicule the idea in the public sphere.
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#34 to #31 - dasbrot ONLINE (11/27/2015) [-]
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#36 to #2 - Airmanator (11/27/2015) [-]
I don't want to sound hostile or sarcastic, but I really want to believe you, but I simply can't.
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#38 to #36 - selfdenyingbeggar (11/27/2015) [-]
Well yeah. i posted it to introduce people to that reality/possibility. it would be extremely irresponsible for you to change your belief system without doing some research and extracting your own understanding.

But perhaps now you can see the things that happen in the world in a new light.
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User avatar #65 to #38 - Airmanator (11/27/2015) [-]
It's all interesting, really, to imagine a vast conspiracy encompassing nations and governments, an idea that brings interest in our boring lives. That's not to say conspiracies don't exist, of course, just not ones of this scale.

But I really appreciate your candor.
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#68 to #65 - selfdenyingbeggar (11/27/2015) [-]
"The bigger the trick and the older the trick, the easier it is to pull, because --

1. They think it can't be that old,
2. They think it can't be that big,

... for so many people to have fallen for it.

Eventually, when the opponent is challenged or questioned, it means the victim's investment and thus his intelligence is questioned, no one can accept that. Not even to themselves."

what is candor?
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User avatar #72 to #68 - Airmanator (11/27/2015) [-]
Candor is your straightforwardness or honesty.
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#10 to #2 - sephirothpwnz ONLINE (11/27/2015) [-]
don't try to fool us
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User avatar #64 to #2 - Haruhi (11/27/2015) [-]
if it's impossible to travel faster than the speed of light, then how can we know? I have not yet seen sufficient evidence that isn't science fiction hocus pocus that says there's a way to travel FTL.
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#66 to #64 - selfdenyingbeggar (11/27/2015) [-]
They can travel faster then the speed of light. That's our misconception. But there's also "superhighways" what we've theorized as wormholes. Basically you go in and go out in another point in the Universe.

"in universities, in physics, what is taught is more than 100 years old, it is ignoring the quantum physics, which by the way are also not completely up to date. Science is infiltrated with errors by intent, to prevent humanity from awakening: the second law of thermodynamics is designed in such a way to make it seem that free energy is something impossible. According to relativity theory, the speed of light is the highest speed possible. Superluminal velocity (faster than the speed of light) at which spacecrafts function, is therefore apparently not possible."
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#77 to #66 - rondondendon ONLINE (11/27/2015) [-]
Let me say it - that sounds like science-fiction gone wrong, everything you're saying. "What is taught is more than 100 years old".. Well, yea, of course because it still works! No observations has ever disproven the theory of relativity. Addition was invented god knows when and that doesn't mean it's not valid anymore? What a load of rubbish. All of our theories and oberservations predict that the speed of light is the maximum velocity. "Second law of thermodynamics is designed".. God, where is this **** coming from? I would love to see this enormous amount of evidence you say that supports these claims you make as they are a load of rubbish.

Btw I study physics at the university, so I should know a thing or two about what I'm saying.
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#84 to #77 - selfdenyingbeggar (11/27/2015) [-]
Don't take part as something that dismisses the Secret Space Program, it's different information.

I just, personally, do believe superluminal speed is possible. We thought we weren't going to be able to fly before. There's still no unified theory of physics that can explain quantum behaviour and normal physics. So we don't have all the answers yet.
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#116 to #84 - anon (11/27/2015) [-]
Well, but birds were able to fly. Our case is kinda... nothing is currently faster than light. So we cannot really say that is easily possible. It can very well be the universal limit.
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#123 to #116 - selfdenyingbeggar (11/28/2015) [-]
I think it's just a theory here but there's Tachyons. They are faster than light particles.
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#140 to #123 - rondondendon ONLINE (11/28/2015) [-]
I know some said we wouldn't be able to fly but that person was dumb. It's not that it wasn't within his grasp to understand that because obviously just look at birds. Newtons laws of gravity themselves were even enough evidence to postulate planes and such. That quote is simply stupid even at the time.


And tachyons are only theorized. There have never been any observations that back them up. And there's the problem with faster than light travel. Anything that would be able to travel faster than light allows for messages to be sent back into the past. If I had access to tachyons I would be able to send information back in time to my former selves. Backwards time travel just poses so many questions that I for one don't believe it'll ever be achieved.
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#141 to #140 - selfdenyingbeggar (11/28/2015) [-]
why would you be able to travel in time if you traveled faster than light?
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#144 to #141 - rondondendon ONLINE (11/28/2015) [-]
It's not like you would be able to travel in time but with tachyons you would be able to send information and that's the key. We are able to transmit messages with electromagnetic waves at the speed of light. We would probably be able to make the tachyons carry a message. The reason why that message could actually go back in time is rather complicated to explain and requires the use of intertial frames. You really need to draw them geometrically for them to make sense. It's simply that causality would be ****** up. The order of reaction and action could switch places so a reaction for one observer would happen before the action and thus you would be able to see the outcome of something before it happened - and that's just so weird and not observed so far and therefore probably not possible.
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#145 to #144 - selfdenyingbeggar (11/28/2015) [-]

I found this

sitsshow.blogspot.nl/2015/07/secret-interstellar-spacecraft-use.html

and it mentions the HeartMath institute discovery that the heart receives information before soething happens. So it may very well be the case of what you just described but you can also travel faster than the speed of light
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#83 to #77 - selfdenyingbeggar (11/27/2015) [-]
Have you seen "The Science Delusion" which is a banned Ted Talk? if not would you consider watching it and telling me what you think?

It's not about science being fake or nothing like that. It's more about how it's becoming dogmatic and commonly held misconceptions. One thing that interests me nis that he says that gravity is not constant, it fluctuates on a little level in different parts of the world. Have no idea if it's true.
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#81 to #77 - selfdenyingbeggar (11/27/2015) [-]
He mentions that quantum physics could already start giving us a new understanding of the world. Like, we're still completely certain things are solid when they're actually almost space appearing to be something. I don't know if you understand my point. It's about how it shapes your view of reality too.

I'm not that well versed in Quantum mechanics, but something like "spooky action at a distance" is enough to make us wonder if we're al truly connectedand just appear to be separate.
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#85 to #81 - rondondendon ONLINE (11/27/2015) [-]
Who is "he"? And I kinda get your point - things are not always what they seem as you mention. That still doesn't change the way bodies interact which each other. Whether we view a orange as an apple they still won't go over the speed of light..

And it's a pretty common thing to say that quantum mechanics is such a weird field of study that "perhaps it will do something weird, you just don't know!". Generally, no. Quantum mechanics only work on the smallest scale and just doesn't have a big impact on a macroscopic scale which is why it's one of the latest discoveries within physics simply because it didn't "affect" the visible world.

And yes, spooky action at a distance (quantum entanglement) is surreal but again - you can't really do anything with it. No information can be sent so it won't allow for anything - not even a message - to be delivered with a speed greather and that of light.
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User avatar #76 to #66 - scbyrd (11/27/2015) [-]
Quantum mechanics will always prevent casuality-breaking action.
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#67 to #64 - selfdenyingbeggar (11/27/2015) [-]
Tesla knew free energy was possible. Check out his interview.
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#101 to #97 - selfdenyingbeggar (11/27/2015) [-]
The term "conspiracy theorist" was intentionally created to be a weapon against people who questioned the official version of the Kennedy assassination.



www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-23/1967-he-cia-created-phrase-conspiracy-theorists-and-ways-attack-anyone-who-challenge
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User avatar #105 to #101 - alstorp (11/27/2015) [-]
Thanks for blessing me with this useless knowledge
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#115 to #105 - selfdenyingbeggar (11/27/2015) [-]
It is not useless. It is you who doesn't know how to use it. I've just proven to you why the term "conspiracy theorist" exists to discredit people. They love it in the news.

Just look at your picture, that person's posture, clothes and everything gives off a bad image of someone you wouldn't listen to, and also he's wearing the tinfoil hat.

If there's a movement and you want to discredit it, you can have a person come talk to your show who is "part of the movement" and you select the most fanatical, irrational person you can find and let them loose. You effectively teach person to associate the ideas of the movement with that kind of person.

It's human nature to focus on the messenger rather than the message
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#121 to #115 - alstorp (11/28/2015) [-]
Do you ever listen to yourself and hear how ridiculous you sound?

Wow, you proved to origin of a term I never even used. Wow, you analysed a picture of intended humorous nature and went on about **** I never even mentioned.

The message is ******* stupid and if it was the truth, lying out there in the open as it seemingly does, it wouldn't be this obscure and ignored. And there would be attempts to hide it, but a simple google search reveals all of it with absolutely zero censorship, what a government secret, huh.
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#124 to #121 - selfdenyingbeggar (11/28/2015) [-]
It is you who appears to be stupid! Can you not use your logic and see that the origin of the negative image associated with that term is what led to the stereotype of conspiracy theorists, which is what your picture represents?

Hahaha well look at yourself! It could be right there and yet you're not gonna look because you assume someone else would've looked and told everyone. And some have! but they still aren't believed. UFO documents from different militaries and also the pilots speaking out about the encounters are already there. and yet most people will still look at you like crazy if you mention the topic.


You don't have to go tas far as what I'm talking about. Did you know that a court ruled that the US government was responsible for the death of Martin Luther King? do people know? of course not!



unfortunately, as of now there's not enough evidence to prove beyond the shadow of a doubt what I'm saying so you have to use discernment, but there's enough pieces to start to see the big picture.
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#126 to #124 - alstorp (11/28/2015) [-]
Am I being ******* trolled?
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#127 to #126 - selfdenyingbeggar (11/28/2015) [-]
what part makes you think that?
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User avatar #132 to #127 - alstorp (11/28/2015) [-]
All of it
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#125 to #124 - selfdenyingbeggar (11/28/2015) [-]
UFOs. Not face to face ET interaction. But They know the ufos demonstate being operated by a sentient being.
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User avatar #75 to #2 - thesecretbear (11/27/2015) [-]
I assume this secret government has connection to the bilderburg group?
I don't actually buy esotercism, sorry.
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#78 to #75 - selfdenyingbeggar (11/27/2015) [-]
Esotericism? what do you mean, what's the esoteric part?

And it does. They're not the top level tho.
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User avatar #91 to #78 - thesecretbear (11/27/2015) [-]
Alright. watched a bit into The Science Delusion, and I do really enjoy this stuff. I have trouble ever accepting it myself due to a lack of backing mathematics, but it seems to latch on to a bit of psuedo-science. The issue I have so far with him is that he is trying to poke a hole through the already hole filled field of science. The problem is that our interpretations change as we discover new things, while he seems to be latching onto holes such as our lack of knowledge about the big bang to try to make his point. He also seems to be making it seem as if the nature of the universe changes, when really I think it's just our perception of the universe changing as we find out new information.
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User avatar #96 to #91 - thesecretbear (11/27/2015) [-]
To add more to the morphing resonance thing. I don't think the morphing resonance (if it is real) is as he is describing it. It's possible that it is, but without much proof on the matter it's just philosophical banter. If it were to be true I think it would be something along the lines of DNA controlling things (or to fit in his crystal analogy) has to do with similar atomic structure. Which of course would have to mean the truth in the idea of matter having memory, and that there would have to be a sort of "matter dna" of some kind within particles. A pretty far out there theory, but far out there theories have always changed the face of science.
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User avatar #98 to #96 - thesecretbear (11/27/2015) [-]
Alright on to the speed of light bit. I think it's quite possible that the speed of light might not be a constant, but given our still lacking understanding of it I think it's more likely that we just don't have our the variables needed to calculate it at any given moment. At least not yet. The problem of locking it as he said they did, is also a ******* stupid one. It limits our ability to play around with the speed of light scientifically. It's nothing more than sheer laziness on behalf of science, and as a scientifically minded person myself I'm utterly pissed at that. Science isn't necissarily about finding the answers, but exploring to find an interpretation that can be useable to us, and not limited. What they've done with that is nothing but limiting.
The problem of researchers fixing their data to come out like other people's as well is a known problem in almost any lab. Amateurs need to realize that mistakes happen, and if they happen they should repeat until it becomes clear that they aren't making a mistake. If the data is still scewed then we bring in more people, and hopefully learn something new.
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#99 to #98 - selfdenyingbeggar (11/27/2015) [-]
Thank you I'm actually also a... well I'm no scientist but my hunger is for truth. My journey has led me to explore this possibilities. Thank you for taking the time and I love physics's minds hahaha. So orderly and specific.
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User avatar #102 to #99 - thesecretbear (11/27/2015) [-]
Well truth can be imposed by our own minds so long as we perceive the pieces to fit. As Sheldrake said we should look at the data. I work in a lab at the local university sometimes helping my friend out. Not sure why they let me in even though i'm a CS major, but oh well, and I've seen the fudging happening. It is usually the person afraid of looking stupid too.
That aside though I think the lack of scientific advancement on a level that some people expect can be due in part to social constrictions both in and around the field. Legislation barring studies based on moral principles, or internal group think among scientists. Neither of these are new things, and go back to the silencing of philosophers throughout history.
Personally I think the internal issues could be traced to a lack of open mindedness among many scientists. So many people go into the field hoping to discover new things, but are to afraid of rejection by it's community to step out of line from time to time. Personally I would encourage more Philosophical thought even among scientists, but don't let it shape their data ofc.

That being said, throw me some sources on the whole world government conspiracy. I enjoy this sort of stuff.
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#114 to #102 - anon (11/27/2015) [-]
You're a skeptic not a visionary
They dont build statutes of critics
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User avatar #122 to #114 - thesecretbear (11/28/2015) [-]
Blind vision will run you either to fortune or disaster. Most likely disaster. I see no reason why skepticism shouldn't take a primary role in determining what we conclude as truth.
Personally I don't care if there would ever be a statue of me either.
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#110 to #102 - selfdenyingbeggar (11/27/2015) [-]
Well... there's lots of information but something just came out that is relevant to the situation in Syria and ISIL.

(You might want to check the video "The Covert Origins of ISIL" it talks facts.

I don't necessarily agree with everything David says but here:

divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1191-disclosure-showdown
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User avatar #128 to #110 - thesecretbear (11/28/2015) [-]
Now did HSBC send money DIRECTLY to hezbollah, or were they working with a company who has ties to them? (just getting mixed messages from the article.) Because i could see companies not giving a **** who has ties to what if it is in their financial benefit.
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#129 to #128 - selfdenyingbeggar (11/28/2015) [-]
I don't know. I do know, this was in the news, that HSBC was found guilty of helping drug cartels. I don't remember if it was with the laundering of money or something else, but they were only fined and something that isn't much more than a wrist slap, for the kind of money they make.
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User avatar #130 to #129 - thesecretbear (11/28/2015) [-]
Yeah, but that's the money politics we have now. Companies who have the money to throw around can simply use that leverage to make money in less than legal ways without facing massive penalties.
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#134 to #130 - selfdenyingbeggar (11/28/2015) [-]
Hmmm but don't you think it's hypocritical (word?) that they put you in jail if they catch you with weed but the bank which actually helps keep the trade alive gets to continue what they're doing? At least it destroys the credibility of the war on drugs, for me.

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User avatar #135 to #134 - thesecretbear (11/28/2015) [-]
It's incredibly hipocritical. The issue is that people don't care so long as it brings money, and thus power, in.
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#136 to #135 - selfdenyingbeggar (11/28/2015) [-]
hey, did you continue to read it? do you agree?
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User avatar #137 to #136 - thesecretbear (11/28/2015) [-]
I haven't gotten to the rest of it yet. It's pretty long after all. I'll try to get back to you about it over the weekend though. For me it's homework time though. Even though i'm wasting time on FJ
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#138 to #137 - selfdenyingbeggar (11/28/2015) [-]
Lol. Btw if you want quicker info on the origins of ISIL I recommend again the video "Covert Origins of ISIS" it's like 22 minutes long and it discusses facts. As in things that were even accepted in mainstream news.
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User avatar #80 to #78 - thesecretbear (11/27/2015) [-]
A lot of the conspiracy theories is tied back to ideas of the Illuminati or Freemasons or Rosicrucians or any of the other groups that formed around hermetic ideas during the rennaisance and enlightenment.
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User avatar #3 to #2 - tacolishous (11/27/2015) [-]
Damn dude that's almost as scary as the molemen doing 9/11 to cover up how Kim Kardashian actually has talent and worth as a person.
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#4 to #3 - selfdenyingbeggar (11/27/2015) [-]
Lol. Remember your comment when disclosure happens ;)
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#5 to #4 - anon (11/27/2015) [-]
*if
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#6 to #5 - selfdenyingbeggar (11/27/2015) [-]
sure
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#1 - dasbrot ONLINE (11/27/2015) [-]
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#25 to #1 - anon (11/27/2015) [-]
**anonymous used "*roll picture*"**
**anonymous rolled image**
ol, noob.
Play some real games like farming simulator 2015 or euro truck simulator 2
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#58 to #45 - zmranger (11/27/2015) [-]
OC? On FJ? What. Is. Going. On?!
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#29 to #25 - anon (11/27/2015) [-]
**anonymous used "*roll picture*"**
**anonymous rolled image**
i have no idea what i just saw but i laughed hard anyway
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#16 to #1 - theoldfritz (11/27/2015) [-]
>having a picture of merkel
>not having adenauer
2/10
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#22 to #16 - dasbrot ONLINE (11/27/2015) [-]
Bismarck is best Bundeskanzler
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#44 to #22 - anon (11/27/2015) [-]
Reichskanzler, casual
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#146 to #22 - gerfox (12/10/2015) [-]
Bismarck, Adenauer, Kohl. All great chancellors. Great diplomats too.
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User avatar #73 to #22 - wedgehead (11/27/2015) [-]
Reichskanzler*
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User avatar #74 to #73 - dasbrot ONLINE (11/27/2015) [-]
Either could be applied since he was the Bundeskanzler of the North German Confederation and later the Reichskanzler of the new German Empire.
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#70 to #22 - TomPorowski (11/27/2015) [-]
Victoria 2 is best game.
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User avatar #88 to #70 - herparderpington ONLINE (11/27/2015) [-]
Reminds me of that time that in 1 game I had fascists in britain and russia vs germoney and france. As italy I laughed my ass off and took land from france after the end
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#93 to #88 - TomPorowski (11/27/2015) [-]
Eating France is a noble endeavor.
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User avatar #106 to #93 - herparderpington ONLINE (11/27/2015) [-]
they had war exaustion through the roof and won the war barely along with germany. As I declared war germany went "not this **** again" and left the alliance, then I proceeded to take savoy, corsica and colonies
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#111 to #106 - TomPorowski (11/27/2015) [-]
>Italy
>Not having Savoie
u w0t?
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User avatar #131 to #111 - herparderpington ONLINE (11/28/2015) [-]
I am playing with a mod that gives the french a decision to claim savoy
lets just say I just had formed italy and didnt build my military yet
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User avatar #11 - hetzerdk (11/27/2015) [-]
Although most of the russian work was based on german achievements from the war, while the west got most of the scientists.
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#147 to #11 - gerfox (12/10/2015) [-]
I know this is a very very late response, but the Russians had Sergei Korolev who was a genius. After WW2 he got sent to a Siberian work camp, before he was recalled - and put in charge of the Soviet space program. They were leading the space race, and then Korolev died from injuries sustained while in Siberia. Then von Braun and NASA won.
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User avatar #14 - nanako (11/27/2015) [-]
I've seen evidence to suggest that the first moon landing Only the first was faked in order to gain public support during the cold war, russia was paid to keep quiet about it.
Around that time, america started sending russia 400 million annually in foreign aid, which has mysteriously continued for all those decades, despite recent sanctions sanctions
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User avatar #21 to #14 - whitie (11/27/2015) [-]
Any and all criticism of the moon landing is trumped by the fact that we left mirrors on the moon, you can point a lazer at them and time how long it takes to return in order to measure the distance to the moon, and this experiment has been done thousands of times the world over
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User avatar #24 to #21 - icewraith (11/27/2015) [-]
He said only the first was faked so the murcians will appear as the winners of the moon landing.
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User avatar #120 to #21 - nanako (11/27/2015) [-]
the mirror supposedly on the moon is a couple feet in diameter. If you point a laser at the moon, the beam is 11 miles wide by the time it gets there, a tiny mirror doesn't do **** . You can measure relfecting light off it because the moon is very naturally reflective, that's why we can see it at night - it's reflecting the sun's rays.

I have no question that every subsequent moon mission was real, i only question the very first one.. It was a matter of patriotism and national superiority in a time of war, both states did a LOT of shonky espionage business.
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User avatar #133 to #120 - whitie (11/28/2015) [-]
When i say a lazer i don't mean a keychain lazer pointer, im talking about big industrial strength lazers used at universities and military installations, which are more than powerful enough for the light to return in high enough concentration to know you hit a mirror

The moons surface is no more reflective than quartz & silicon based sand, bright when observed in direct sunlight, but nowhere near reflective enough to return a lazer shot from earth
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#12 - holyshitcake (11/27/2015) [-]
get rekt
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User avatar #26 - kikx (11/27/2015) [-]
Reminds me of a scene in "Armageddon":

"American components, Russian components, ALL MADE IN TAIWAN!"
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User avatar #55 to #26 - guitarassassin (11/27/2015) [-]
*China

He said, "China."
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User avatar #62 to #55 - chaosraptor (11/27/2015) [-]
it was taiwan
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User avatar #139 to #55 - kikx (11/28/2015) [-]
Armageddon - Russian Cosmonaut

0:56
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User avatar #86 to #55 - herparderpington ONLINE (11/27/2015) [-]
same **** there are 2 chinas anyways
We know nationalist china as taiwan and comunist china as china
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#104 - drlowercase (11/27/2015) [-]
stupid wtf is a nanot? this is an american site IDIOTS
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User avatar #107 to #104 - windson (11/27/2015) [-]
Идиот, idiot written in moonrunes
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User avatar #109 to #108 - windson (11/27/2015) [-]
What do you mean no?
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User avatar #79 - kanadetenshi (11/27/2015) [-]
GERMAN SCIENCE IS THE BEST IN THE WORLD
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User avatar #9 - xXferaligatrXx (11/27/2015) [-]
This one wins everyone can stop making these now
 
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