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#9 - anon (12/16/2014) [-]
its because of the jews using guilt tripping to engrain further into power in white countries.
they control the eu hence lots of immigration to destroy wite countries. Most noteably sweden where they let in 100k refugees every yr into a population of 10mil, theyll die out soon
User avatar #15 to #9 - muhammedthejew (12/16/2014) [-]
That's just the left parties (ALL parties but one) that want that, EU has nothing to with it. I even think that Sweden as a country is more in favor of muslim terrorists than jews.
#22 to #9 - anon (12/16/2014) [-]
Immigration and population decline will be very pressing issues in the near future but not because a Jew conspiracy its just kind of the way it worked out. We simultaneously had 2 world wars that rekt the European population followed by the civil rights movement and a political ploy by large corporations to import poor brown people so as to create a poor slave class throw in the hippy movement that discarded any sort of pride in ancestors or nation and opportunist civil right activists like Al Sharpton and boom we are living in the west 2014. You see there is a problem but you are being intellectually lazy and unwilling to solve the problem so it was teh juice
#13 to #9 - warburg (12/16/2014) [-]
Sweden is stupidly shortsighted, but not because of the Jews.
Sweden is stupidly shortsighted, but not because of the Jews.
User avatar #43 to #13 - daragon (12/16/2014) [-]
what movie is that scene from?
User avatar #44 to #43 - warburg (12/16/2014) [-]
I, Robot. It's really not that good sadly, though the premise is definitely interesting.
#18 - skittlesinexcess (12/16/2014) [-]
Asian politics are different.
European nations are supposed to get along. They may fight but they'll make up afterwards.
Asian nations hate each other and will always hate each other.
User avatar #35 to #18 - brutalgod (12/16/2014) [-]
jewish guy looks like my uncle
User avatar #23 to #18 - Kabutops (12/16/2014) [-]
asian here. can confirm this. asians hate other asians who arent the same type of asian that we are. asian master race
#26 to #18 - oosulley (12/16/2014) [-]
>European nations are supposed to get along
>European nations are supposed to get along

User avatar #37 to #26 - lotengo ONLINE (12/16/2014) [-]
>no wars between EU member states since the foundation of the EU
User avatar #46 to #37 - reginleif ONLINE (12/16/2014) [-]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_peace_theory#.22Golden_Arches_Theory_of_Conflict_Prevention.22

We used to say the same about countries with McDonald's. War between the EU is not impossible.
User avatar #27 to #26 - skittlesinexcess (12/16/2014) [-]
Globalism is a European ideal, not an Asian one.
User avatar #28 to #27 - oosulley (12/16/2014) [-]
Who said anything about Globalism?

My point is European nations have been tearing chunks out of each other for Europe's entire history. We just happen to be one of the few generations who've lived in a Europe that's relatively peaceful.
User avatar #29 to #28 - skittlesinexcess (12/16/2014) [-]
That's why Germany is apologizing. If this were three hundred years ago the Germans and the Jews would still hate each other. Globalism has changed that, for better and for worse.

You can't have a global economy if everybody hates one another.
User avatar #30 to #29 - oosulley (12/16/2014) [-]
I think you're not adressing/understanding my point. I get the content, and it's message. I'm refuting your argument that European nations are 'meant to get along'. They're just doing it for the moment, thankfully, because it's in their interests. Again, thats a VERY recent phenomenon.
User avatar #31 to #30 - skittlesinexcess (12/16/2014) [-]
Fine, *European nations are meant to get along right now
Is that better? I understand that post WW1 the politics of Europe were very different.
User avatar #33 to #31 - oosulley (12/16/2014) [-]
Yes, much better. And it's really only past WW2, into the ECSC/EEC/EU period that we've all been peaceful flower children.


I'm just pointing out how it's mistaken to assume that just because we've been at peace for 80-odd years now, doesn't mean we can generalise across history.

This has been a pleasant discussion. Thank you for your civility.
User avatar #32 to #30 - skittlesinexcess (12/16/2014) [-]
I meant pre WW1
#12 - anon (12/16/2014) [-]
because the chinese deserved it, there i said it.
#25 to #12 - oosulley (12/16/2014) [-]
No, ********** , I believe {Insert your home nation HERE} deserved [insert atrocity HERE]
User avatar #14 to #12 - theblargypargler (12/16/2014) [-]
I'd like to hear how your reasoning on this.
User avatar #16 to #14 - wolverinebamf (12/16/2014) [-]
The Chinese aren't real people, they're robots.
User avatar #17 to #16 - zoef (12/16/2014) [-]
Also, they can read minds
User avatar #21 to #17 - wolverinebamf (12/16/2014) [-]
Exactly, glad you get it.
#8 - ldnelson (12/16/2014) [-]
mfw Kurwa
#4 - geese (12/16/2014) [-]
there are way more chinese than jews. so no one cares about a few million chinese dying. Its like the difference between killing a pigeon and condor.
or its just those jews using the holocaust to advance their agenda
User avatar #7 to #4 - thespecialone (12/16/2014) [-]
i need to know the name of that manga

please, enlighten me
User avatar #11 to #7 - jedimage (12/16/2014) [-]
The legend of Koizumi
10/10
User avatar #50 to #4 - jokerjack (12/16/2014) [-]
Sadly... this is a very accurate simile.
User avatar #6 to #4 - threeeighteen ONLINE (12/16/2014) [-]
And getting those shekels.
User avatar #24 to #4 - Kabutops (12/16/2014) [-]
now we're comparing pigeons to chinese. lol
#40 - zlojeb (12/16/2014) [-]
Just gonna leave this here.


Yeah they apologized even for Nanjing.



en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan
#51 to #40 - anon (12/16/2014) [-]
They still have widespread denial, and their emperor visited a memorial with the names of convicted war criminals on it.
#53 to #51 - vaalkyrie (12/16/2014) [-]
It wasn't the Emperor who visited the Shrine, it was the Prime Minister who did
#52 to #40 - vaalkyrie (12/16/2014) [-]
HOWEVER many politicians are now beginning to go back to more nationalistic ideologies, some are calling for the Kono Statement that apologised for forcing women into prostitution to be investigated again. There are popular groups such as the Japanese History Textbook Reform Society or something like that that print textbooks saying Nanking has been exaggerated by Westerners/Chinese. So yeah, they've apologised, but a lot of people, including Prime Minister Abe still hold some pretty nationalistic sentiments and don't reaaaaally agree with the accepted perception of Japan in the war
#5 - chaplainappollous (12/16/2014) [-]
Your emperor is false!
User avatar #2 - dxninjaxo ONLINE (12/16/2014) [-]
Yeah but germans and jews are very different


whereas japan and china look the same
User avatar #10 to #2 - anoninanutshell (12/16/2014) [-]
not to them tho
User avatar #39 - schneidend (12/16/2014) [-]
Meh, I think most Japanese are probably apologetic, but obviously Japan's more nationalistic politicians are not. Unfortunately, I understand they keep electing their nationalistic politicians. The U.S. is encouraging Japanese military growth to keep China in check, and the Japanese are about to elect a Prime Minister who wants to reform their constitution so they can have a stronger, more proactive military. As an American, I'm a little worried we're creating our next opponents - again, the same way we've been creating new forms of opposition to ourselves since the Cold War.
User avatar #41 to #39 - marcury (12/16/2014) [-]
Good can not exist in a vacuum. If we don't have someone to oppose how will we know we are the good guys?
User avatar #42 to #41 - schneidend (12/16/2014) [-]
I want to live in a world where the only evils are destruction without purpose and a failure to accomplish great things, and then the only "good guys" will be the ones who achieve.
User avatar #48 to #39 - reginleif ONLINE (12/16/2014) [-]
>As an American, I'm a little worried we're creating our next opponents

Finally someone who understands the danger of Abe's nationalism...... we need to defend Japan, and it's completely worth the military investment unlike those ****** island trolls in the UK and the Philippines, who can't even produce half of what Japan does.
#54 to #48 - vaalkyrie (12/16/2014) [-]
The US "defending" Japan is relatively unpopular in Japan. The largest US base is on the Okinawa islands, and currently Abe's only response to the unpopularity among residents is to essentially pay them off with Govt. Funds. While I agree that the US should do all it can to maintain its position in Japan, I also believe that both Japan and the US should stop looking on China as an enemy, and try to work WITH them.
User avatar #60 to #54 - reginleif ONLINE (12/16/2014) [-]
>Japan and the US should stop looking on China as an enemy, and try to work WITH them.

We tried this with Russia, it is impossible they are enemies. It will only harm US interests when they finally screw us over. It's not even a nationalist perspective anymore, China is seeking to expand and every surrounding Asian country knows it.

>The US "defending" Japan is relatively unpopular in Japan.

First off, that's too damned bad they lost the war..... they have no justification for whining about a treaty they signed. The only thing the US should do is stop their soldiers from ******* around.

Secondly, Abe and the more educated of Japanese citizens understand the need for a continued military presence, if only for now. The Philippines kicked the US out of their lands thinking they can handle their foreign affairs only to come back with their tails between their legs when China started their land grab.. I'm pretty sure Shinzo was paying attention when that happened.


User avatar #56 to #54 - schneidend (12/16/2014) [-]
If it's relatively unpopular in Japan, why is a nationalist, militarist reformer being elected Prime Minister in a virtual landslide vote?

I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those people who thinks nationalism or military power are inherently bad. Hell, I'd love it if America was honest and became an actual empire. On the other hand, promoting a nationalist Japan just seems like a policy that lacks hindsight.
User avatar #59 to #56 - reginleif ONLINE (12/16/2014) [-]
>If it's relatively unpopular in Japan, why is a nationalist, militarist reformer being elected Prime Minister in a virtual landslide vote?

Because the US is seen as weak. People don't elect nationalists when they feel that they are safe or respected. China's pushing countries to never before seen heights in conflict escalation, literally building artificial islands to claim more seafloor. Japanese don't have the power to contest these shenanigans and the US certainly isn't going to die for them.

We are literally handing this job back to the Japanese because defending them is too complicated now. Also there's an added bonus of not appearing like an empire if we bolster native defenses of Japan and Taiwan instead of defending them ourselves, even if we can't control their politics.
#57 to #56 - vaalkyrie (12/16/2014) [-]
The main reason for the landslide victory is the lack of organised opposition. Since the end of WWII there have only ever been two parties that have stood a chance of having the majority of the power. The incumbent party, the LDP has always been dominant, and it wasn't until 2009 when the other party, the DPJ came back to power, promising change and upheaval. They did not deliver on any of this, so since that were kicked out, the LDP has been the only realistic choice as the DPJ has been so disorganised
User avatar #49 to #48 - reginleif ONLINE (12/16/2014) [-]
Also the moment they militarize, is the moment they lose any obligation to be our allies..... treaties are enforced through force.

Do we really want them pal-iing around with the Russians?
User avatar #1 - satrenkotheone ONLINE (12/16/2014) [-]
JAPAN DID NOTHING WRONG!
User avatar #47 - reginleif ONLINE (12/16/2014) [-]
From the perspective of Japanese, why would anyone want to admit wrongdoing if they don't have to?

I'm pretty sure the Germans would not have instituted the changes they did if they had not been so completely and utterly humiliated at the hands of the Allies. Germany lost Berlin, their capitol, their women were raped and their men tortured and used for slave labor, they really weren't in the position to argue **** .

The Japanese like the German's in WW1, weren't invaded..... they surrendered. Less blow to the ego more room for revisionism. And given our defense of the nuking in Japan, the Turks denial of the Armenian genocide and the French/Danish denial of collaboration with the Nazis, admitting national faults seems to be an exception not a rule.

#55 to #47 - vaalkyrie (12/16/2014) [-]
The Japanese were never militarily invaded during WWII (except for the Okinawa islands) however they were occupied by the US following the war, who literally wrote them a new constitution, took over their economy to an extent and some quite possibly did some dodgy things to Japanese citizens, such as the rape and humiliation that apparently did so well for Germany
User avatar #58 to #55 - reginleif ONLINE (12/16/2014) [-]
however they were occupied by the US following the war, who literally wrote them a new constitution, took over their economy to an extent and some quite possibly did some dodgy things to Japanese citizens, such as the rape and humiliation that apparently did so well for Germany

Not the same thing to be occupied as a surrender measure as being occupy because you got rekt though. The United States appeased the Japanese in many ways, in order to get them to go quietly, for instance they kept the emperor. Germany was given no such quarter.

>implying the rape that the Soviets did was in any way comparable to the US treatment of defeated nations.
#38 - anon (12/16/2014) [-]
jews deserved it tho
User avatar #36 - warioteam (12/16/2014) [-]
thats a nice blood effect
#45 to #20 - Valid (12/16/2014) [-]
but its true..
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