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> hey anon, wanna give your opinion?
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#16 - hellol
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User avatar #47 to #16 - RockyTheEvilRock
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I get it
User avatar #84 to #16 - pandafucker
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i dont get it
User avatar #87 to #84 - otoshimono
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"Ditto"
User avatar #37 to #16 - srhkid
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Took me a second..
#20 to #16 - pettdavids
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Oh you
User avatar #4 - traveltech
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Kyogre reveals that Groudon is secretly a ditto
#19 - kubaardo
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User avatar #34 to #19 - tostito
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/vp/ welcomes the Hoenn remakes *READ DESCRIPTION*
just hear it while you watch the gif
#25 - warioteam
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#31 - tobituary
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#40 to #31 - poppinawheelie
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#41 - DeathclawRulez
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User avatar #48 to #41 - bonlino
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farquaza master race
User avatar #98 to #41 - lapsushominum
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Hoenn confirmed based off Shrek.
#23 - wertgf
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I love these
User avatar #6 - tsoper
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groundon forgets he is fire/ground

how does he even stand a chance against kyogre?
#11 to #6 - anon id: 02f1686c
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Solarbeam
User avatar #45 to #6 - chaosbreaker
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If Groudon's drought ability succeeds and Groudon is faster, than he can use Solarbeam without having to wait. This kills the Kyogre.
User avatar #90 to #45 - thisnameismine
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Useless counter information below,

Solar beam is a special attack.
Groudon's base Special attack stat is 100
Kyogre's base Special Defense is 140

For Groudon to have any chance, It would have to use Solar Beam on it's first move, So it can't boost it's special attack at all while inside battle.

Let me present to you this:
pokemonshowdown.com/damagecalc/

Put it through as many situations as you want, the only way Groudon has any chance is boosting its Special Attack, which it can't even do by itself, a Raw Solar Beam would only be able to 3HKO it..

And to debunk this fully, if Drought is put up first, Drizzle would immediately take its place, making Solar Beam useless, and get Groudon 1HKO'd by Kyogre's surf. If Drizzle is put up first, Kyogre would 2HKO with surf, as it would then be faster.

Groudon is suck when fighting Kyogre.
#9 to #6 - CommonJoo
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with an instantly firable solarbeam
User avatar #10 to #9 - jagenblitz
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Groudon isn't going to OHKO Kyogre with solarbeam, assuming it even wins the speed tie and gets to attack first before being ohkoed itself.
User avatar #13 to #10 - jagenblitz
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Although if Groudon is faster and wins the speed tie, then its Drought gets overwritten by Kyorge's Drizzle, so it loses its instant solarbeam anyway.
User avatar #32 to #13 - Marker
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quick claw, or high special defense and miracle seed
User avatar #36 to #32 - jagenblitz
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Quick Claw only has a 50/50 shot of working iirc, plus it doesn't solve the issue of Solarbeam not being strong enough to OHKO Kyorge before it gets OHKOed itself.

Even with investment Groudon's mediocre S Defense isn't going to allow it to survive a STAB, super effective Hydro Pump or Water Spout from a probably Choice Speced Kyorge. Even if it does survive, miracle seed isn't going to be enough for a non STAB Solarbeam to get through Kyorge's absurd S. Defense with Groudon's relatively dismal S Attack, so Kyorge just kills it with the next attack.
User avatar #38 to #36 - toensix
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Fissure. Fingers crossed.
User avatar #39 to #38 - jagenblitz
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Go big or go home.
User avatar #53 to #10 - youngchief
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You're using game mechanics to dictate the fight bro. I agree with you, in game, Kyogre wins. But at the same time, in game I can beat an Arceus with a level 1 ratata. According to the lore they seem pretty even in a fight (kyogre and groudon I mean)
User avatar #93 to #53 - jagenblitz
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I mean yeah, that was the entire point of the original comment. Sure, in the lore they're equal (which still doesn't make sense, but it's a children's series so whatever).
#24 to #6 - MrShaggy
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OH BOY HERE WE GO AGAIN.
User avatar #7 to #6 - Tyranitar
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He is pure ground, though.
#18 to #7 - gameless
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I played Pokemon from Yellow to B/W2 and thought Groudon was a Fire type.
I played Pokemon from Yellow to B/W2 and thought Groudon was a Fire type.
User avatar #17 to #7 - pikapoopie
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his new primal form is ground/fire
#21 to #17 - pettdavids
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He'll be ****** up double by Kyrogre
#44 - arkanios
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User avatar #59 to #44 - dehnoobshow
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It looks....
Concerned.
#61 to #44 - rasins
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heres more
#62 to #61 - rasins
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#63 to #62 - rasins
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#68 to #67 - rasins
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#70 to #68 - rasins
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#71 to #70 - rasins
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User avatar #75 to #68 - finalfantasymaster
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oh, i laughed and then i saw kyogre's face and it hurt
User avatar #3 - silenvt
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so... Kyogre got into a fight with himself?
User avatar #5 to #3 - alphavsomega
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He uhh... he has issues.
User avatar #12 to #3 - adu
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No, he's accusing Groudon of actually being a ditto.