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CosplayNinja ONLINE (12/26/2015) [-]
A non-religious family is spending an evening with a religious couple. Religious couple thanks Jesus and little kid whose never been exposed to religion is confused as to who Jesus is.
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CosplayNinja ONLINE (12/26/2015) [-]
It's seen as a social faux pas if you raise your kids non-religious and take them to a religious household and they pipe up (in their loudest voice, of course) that they don't know who jesus is. It's expected from most religious households (at least here in the midwest it is) that everyone should know who jesus it.
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karvarausku (12/26/2015) [-] 
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**karvarausku rolled image** Originally pagan holiday, but Christians put theirs over it to simplify things. Jesus didn't born in 24th and there are bunch of other sons of gods and so on that has been told to be born on that date so it was just easier for them to put their holiday over to another.
So yeah. Christmas is still pretty christmas without baby jesus in it.
**karvarausku rolled image** Originally pagan holiday, but Christians put theirs over it to simplify things. Jesus didn't born in 24th and there are bunch of other sons of gods and so on that has been told to be born on that date so it was just easier for them to put their holiday over to another.
So yeah. Christmas is still pretty christmas without baby jesus in it.
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mychaelmoar ONLINE (12/26/2015) [-] Maintaining the date made it easier for recent converts, as it is obviously a celebration of an approximate date, but even then the only remotely pagan tradition that is maintained within Christmas is the evergreen tree, which has its own Christian history as well - because wowee, a lot of people have used the same symbolism across different backgrounds for similar messages (e.g. renewal of life, either from Spring or from Christ).
www.religioustolerance.org/xmas_tree.htm
www.religioustolerance.org/xmas_tree.htm
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chaosraptor (12/26/2015) [-] winter solstice in december 21st, christians have no ******* clue what day/month/year jesus was born so they picked december 24th just to take attention away from the pagans
then backtracked and said easter was when jesus was conceived aka roughly 9 months before december, just to take attention away from the spring solstice
then backtracked and said easter was when jesus was conceived aka roughly 9 months before december, just to take attention away from the spring solstice
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mychaelmoar ONLINE (12/27/2015) [-] Yeah, I said that. It made it easier to remember, particularly as more pagans became Christians.
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chaosraptor (12/27/2015) [-] sad how people cant or just wont see christianity as the intolerant dominating power it is, trying to wipe out other faiths
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mychaelmoar ONLINE (12/28/2015) [-] Sad how people can't or just won't see Islam as the intolerant dominating power it is, trying to wipe out other faiths.
Meanwhile, Christianity calls for peaceful proselytizing. I'm not saying that's how it has always occurred, but it's how the Bible calls for it. Get outta here with all your fallacious nonsense.
Meanwhile, Christianity calls for peaceful proselytizing. I'm not saying that's how it has always occurred, but it's how the Bible calls for it. Get outta here with all your fallacious nonsense.
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chaosraptor (12/28/2015) [-] christianity was the main fascist faith converting people with violence and only changed to new testament peaceful after it had dug in as the main religion
now islam is making its move
now islam is making its move
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mychaelmoar ONLINE (12/28/2015) [-] The point is that theologically, it wasn't meant to be spread by force. Obviously it was at a point in history, but that doesn't change the core of what it is, whereas many, many other religions propagate by violence at their core.
Islam has been spread solely by the sword since its origin, which was founded in bloodshed. Beyond that, pantheons of the archaic and pagan always entailed multiple gods of chaos, war, and destruction, as those were considered part of humanity - which the gods were ultimately a representation of because most were often people who had simply ascended in one way or another.
Christianity is one of the few religions that exists pointing towards humanity being fallen and separated from perfection at birth, and the only one that states that man cannot earn his way to that perfection by his own works, but only by perfection reaching out.
At any rate, I don't think you understand fascism, because it's the furthest from it, as Christians are called by the texts to endure suffering, turn the other cheek, and submit to whatever state in which they reside, recognizing that it is not the ultimate authority in the end of everything, whereas fascism requires is a system of government that seeks to benefit itself. In history, men have utilized the church as an excuse to propagate their own power, but the Christian faith as prescribed by the Bible never calls for this. If anything, this further highlights the fallen nature of man as described in scripture in that there are those who will use everything good and bad to further their own goals, which establishes the necessity for salvation due to the failure of man.
Islam has been spread solely by the sword since its origin, which was founded in bloodshed. Beyond that, pantheons of the archaic and pagan always entailed multiple gods of chaos, war, and destruction, as those were considered part of humanity - which the gods were ultimately a representation of because most were often people who had simply ascended in one way or another.
Christianity is one of the few religions that exists pointing towards humanity being fallen and separated from perfection at birth, and the only one that states that man cannot earn his way to that perfection by his own works, but only by perfection reaching out.
At any rate, I don't think you understand fascism, because it's the furthest from it, as Christians are called by the texts to endure suffering, turn the other cheek, and submit to whatever state in which they reside, recognizing that it is not the ultimate authority in the end of everything, whereas fascism requires is a system of government that seeks to benefit itself. In history, men have utilized the church as an excuse to propagate their own power, but the Christian faith as prescribed by the Bible never calls for this. If anything, this further highlights the fallen nature of man as described in scripture in that there are those who will use everything good and bad to further their own goals, which establishes the necessity for salvation due to the failure of man.
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chaosraptor (12/29/2015) [-] original religions werent meant to be spread by force, i agree... the older religions like the norse/gree/egyptian gods may have had a few dedicated to war but mostly for all aspects of life, like gods for farming, healing, health, family, etc
the abrahamic religions, be they judaism, islam, christianity, they came from the common core and each has at its heart a 'convert or **** you' element
islam has gone to open war, christianity has gone to open war, and judaism has been mostly sneaky manipulation
catholicism also picked up on the violent nature of it all and has blood on its hands too
an lets see how things have ended up... christianity basically owns the world.... catholicism and judaism have their own countries in vatican and israel,
islam has been the short bus kid of the group, being aggressive but slow to get anywhere.... but it is now making progress getting somewhere espcially with the rise of the fake 'war on terror' and 'refugee crisis' allowing them to spread their people all over the place and set up shop in other peoples countries
the abrahamic religions, be they judaism, islam, christianity, they came from the common core and each has at its heart a 'convert or **** you' element
islam has gone to open war, christianity has gone to open war, and judaism has been mostly sneaky manipulation
catholicism also picked up on the violent nature of it all and has blood on its hands too
an lets see how things have ended up... christianity basically owns the world.... catholicism and judaism have their own countries in vatican and israel,
islam has been the short bus kid of the group, being aggressive but slow to get anywhere.... but it is now making progress getting somewhere espcially with the rise of the fake 'war on terror' and 'refugee crisis' allowing them to spread their people all over the place and set up shop in other peoples countries
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rudeobuteo (12/25/2015) [-] That would have been me 20-some years ago. Although my mother educated me enough not to look like am ignorant scoundrel, I was still very much a heathen child.
Am now very religious Catholic.
Am now very religious Catholic.
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rudeobuteo (12/28/2015) [-] some portion of it, surely. The factuality of the historical figure of Jesus Christ is beyond contention though, unless you are listening to psyops like Zeitgeist.
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popeflatus (12/29/2015) [-] 
It's definitely not beyond contention. True, most historians think he was a real person, yet there is still no actual evidence that he is any more than a myth.
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gcloud ONLINE (12/26/2015) [-] reminds me of, me as a kid. Thank you mom and dad for not training me into ignorant bliss
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jonandstuff (12/26/2015) [-] There's a difference between your parents not forcing religion upon you, and not even teaching you about it. I am not a religious person, but saying all religious people are ignorant sure makes you sound like a neck beard, I say let people believe, if a god watching over them is all that stops them from being monsters, great.
I'm not looking to have a debate here, religion is a double sided blade, I know, but I hate to see people think they are better than others just because of the god they do or do not follow.
I'm not looking to have a debate here, religion is a double sided blade, I know, but I hate to see people think they are better than others just because of the god they do or do not follow.
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testaburger (12/26/2015) [-] "if a god watching over them is all that stops them from being monsters, great. "
No, not great.
These people are literally psychopaths if that's all that stands between them and that sweet delicious murder.
No, not great.
These people are literally psychopaths if that's all that stands between them and that sweet delicious murder.
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jonandstuff (12/26/2015) [-] Anything that stops an idiot from murdering someone is a good enough reason. I am someone, and prefer to be alive. Now I understand religion starts a lot of wars, and a lot of hate crimes are fueled by religion, some people even gun down public areas thinking their god would be pleased.
That's why I said double sided blade, honestly religion ***** **** up, but it also gives some people a reason to do good rather than nothing, or even stops them from doing bad. I do think the world needed religion at one point, when there was no law it probably stopped some people from just stealing, raping, etc.
Do we need it any more? I am not educated on the statistics and psychology of the influence of religion enough to say anything that is fully true. I'm not looking to debate, I understand some will say religion is **** , some will say it is the bees knees. I am not going to ever try to take someones faith away if it makes them feel like life has purpose. Some people would do horrible things if they knew that it was all meaningless in the end. Like the people who riot and destroy before a nuke hits.
That's why I said double sided blade, honestly religion ***** **** up, but it also gives some people a reason to do good rather than nothing, or even stops them from doing bad. I do think the world needed religion at one point, when there was no law it probably stopped some people from just stealing, raping, etc.
Do we need it any more? I am not educated on the statistics and psychology of the influence of religion enough to say anything that is fully true. I'm not looking to debate, I understand some will say religion is **** , some will say it is the bees knees. I am not going to ever try to take someones faith away if it makes them feel like life has purpose. Some people would do horrible things if they knew that it was all meaningless in the end. Like the people who riot and destroy before a nuke hits.
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testaburger (12/26/2015) [-] "when there was no law it probably stopped some people from just stealing, raping, etc. "
Doubtful. It's not like people naturally rape and kill if they don't have a government. We have empathy and all that **** , which doesn't come from anything higher than instinct.
"Like the people who riot and destroy before a nuke hits."
Sure, but that's also something religion brings. Think the Rapture in christianity. Lots of people have believed that they were living in the "end days", and some people in power (US presidents, for one) have actively tried to bring the end days.
ISIS is currently trying to bring the end days here, as they believe it will happen if the US invades a specific area in the Middle East.
There's no denying that religion brings people together, but on the flip-side, it puts people in groups, and the whole "faith" thing is a gateway to doing horrible things just because "god wills it".
There are plenty of secular groups who fulfill the same role that religion has historically fulfilled, but without the danger of "I say kill these random strangers, your god wills it. DO IT"
The reason so many people need religion is because they think they need it.
Also the same reason so many people think they'd be beasts without their religion. It's because someone convinced them that this is true, even though nothing in the real world actually indicates this. People who lose their religion don't turn into violent beasts unless they're already violent beasts.
Holding a gun to your face in order to keep you from stealing my **** is not an ideal way of keeping my **** safe.
Treatment is.
Doubtful. It's not like people naturally rape and kill if they don't have a government. We have empathy and all that **** , which doesn't come from anything higher than instinct.
"Like the people who riot and destroy before a nuke hits."
Sure, but that's also something religion brings. Think the Rapture in christianity. Lots of people have believed that they were living in the "end days", and some people in power (US presidents, for one) have actively tried to bring the end days.
ISIS is currently trying to bring the end days here, as they believe it will happen if the US invades a specific area in the Middle East.
There's no denying that religion brings people together, but on the flip-side, it puts people in groups, and the whole "faith" thing is a gateway to doing horrible things just because "god wills it".
There are plenty of secular groups who fulfill the same role that religion has historically fulfilled, but without the danger of "I say kill these random strangers, your god wills it. DO IT"
The reason so many people need religion is because they think they need it.
Also the same reason so many people think they'd be beasts without their religion. It's because someone convinced them that this is true, even though nothing in the real world actually indicates this. People who lose their religion don't turn into violent beasts unless they're already violent beasts.
Holding a gun to your face in order to keep you from stealing my **** is not an ideal way of keeping my **** safe.
Treatment is.
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gcloud ONLINE (12/26/2015) [-] well iv had friends who until recently were just so blinded by there parents faith that they had no chance of making that decision for them selves. The reason why you see so many slutty christian girls at collages, is because for the first time in their lives they can make their own choices and they end up overcompensating for it.
I dont think any parents should train their children to follow religion, i think they should decide on their own when their older.
What I was saying was that I wasn't trained to blindly follow a religion like many children.
You can teach your kids the stupidest **** and they'll believe you because you're their guidence.
I dont think any parents should train their children to follow religion, i think they should decide on their own when their older.
What I was saying was that I wasn't trained to blindly follow a religion like many children.
You can teach your kids the stupidest **** and they'll believe you because you're their guidence.
