Mfw I've started a rather large shitstorm

Meh, not really a big shit storm, I see a couple intelligent arguments going on and my rant, but that's about it. A good shit storm uses all the purple lines!

Idk man, did you see the guy who logged out because of "leftist circle-jerk red thumbing", as he put it? He seemed pretty mad lol.
Though that name for being thumbed down made me chuckle.

Eh, he didn't seem mad, just annoyed. Thumbs are worthless, so I'll take my red thumbs like a man. Oh and I thumbed your post back to neutral, someone thumbed down for some reason?

That's the spirit, definitely the right mindset to have there.
And yeah, I think I've pissed off someone as every comment I've made on this thread has been instantly thumbed down.
But thanks, have a couple thumbs from me.

Jesus Christ people make Obama take responsibility. Bush was a bad president, we fucking know, but it's been four years, anything he did could easily have been reversed by any decent president. All Obama has done is "stimulate" the economy (which every single economist worth their money knows that this entire situation is because the government had to put their dirty fucking hands where they don't belong, so they're trying to fix it by doing the same. Ask anyone, we need to fall into depression for all of this to get fixed. Capitalism will fix itself. But all the government is doing is prolonging our suffering), cripple our space program (call it helping "private sector space tech" but we all know that's bullshit. He wants America to rely on the rest of the world and give fucking everything away and we should already see that. Now we have to pay Russia 50 mill per astronaut. At least.), force "regulations" (Which everyone knows are destroying us. Jesus Christ, every truck company will go out of business because of that regulation he passed that says ALL public car companies HAVE to get 54mpg AVERAGE in ALL their cars by, I forget, 2020? It's damned impossible. That means if an American company wants to sell a car that gets 20mpg then they have to sell one that also gets 88mpg. Totally feasible? He's trying to shove this bullshit eco crap down our throats. Yeah, I'm for renewable energy, but I'm a fucking scientist, I know that it isn't fucking ready. Wind turbines break easily, provide a tiny bit of power, cost outrageous sums of money. Solar panels are extremely cost and space inefficient and cost a shit ton of money. We need to stick to nuclear power and hyro (where feasible) and continue DEVELOPMENT but NOT application of these sources. For instance, instead of saying all cars need 54mpg, he could have said they need to start producing thorium-laser vehicles. Which get 5000 gallons of gas to the gram of thorium. And are emission free. And don't break. ever.

He increased the national debt way beyond that of any president (Yes, he did. Look at numbers. And don't rationalize what he did. We all know that's bullshit. He refuses to EVER come out with a national budget.), and I don't even have time to go into the horrors of ObamaCare and all his other problems. He is JUST as bad as Bush, but what makes him even worse is that he thinks it's all a fucking game. He's taken more vacations than any president. When he was a Senator, he voted "present" for every single thing put in front of him except ONE that he co-created. That's right, we voted a man who had never made a decision in his political career. His opinions sway with the polls, and he just tries everything he can to look cool. He treats his entire presidency like a damned campaign. And the American populace just eats it all up right out of his damned hands.

Next. You do realize that Obama found a loophole in the system. They are called "regulations" and he found out he can do whatever he wants with them without approve of ANYBODY. That's right, you heard me, NOBODY has to approve them. Before they were used only in emergencies and for good reason, Obama has raped them for every greedy purpose he can. To shove Eco shit down our throats (again, I believe in heavy funding of the sector, but it's not ready for application), to cripple American companies, et cetera. And it's funny how I've never seen all that many bills being written by Obama and passed to Congress... And even if he did write a lot, they are being shot down FOR A REASON. It's not because he's a Democrat, not because he's black, it's because he's WRONG. You think everyone in the Government only votes based on party? Of course not, they vote based on either greed or genuine care for the American people. And they often try to find compromises where there may be some. Of course, Obama refuses to make ANY compromises. It's his way or no way.

Now I'll admit Obama has done a few good things, every president does. But I'm telling everyone that we need to put responsibility where it lays. He was just as bad as Bush. And it's not a surprise, we haven't had a good president since Reagan (I wouldn't say Clinton, he just sat back and watched as the work of previous presidencies and such made him look good and then he gave our economy to China). And most of all, I want everyone to not buy into this "Oh I'm so hip and cool and young and black and sexy" act he does. He got 95% of the black vote last election. He got a high percentage (don't know the number) of the woman vote. He had Acorn and others picking up random people and being like "vote for Obama and we'll give you lunch." Vote based on merit, not stupid shitty campaign tactics.

On a weird note: Obama was born in Kenya, not Hawaii, it's been proven, but nobody will address it. He deserves to be sent to prison for fraud. The birth certificate PICTURE provided was a fake, it wasn't from the hospital that it claimed to be from and especially not the year it claimed to be from either. Hospitals use unique birth certificates to everyone, and people have shown theirs from the day they were born at that hospital which was a day before or after Obama, no match. His grandmother even admitted to watching him being born in KENYA. That really just rustles my jimmies. And he's currently being tried for using tax payer money to campaign, because his public addresses are constantly bashing other candidates, promoting himself, but not addressing ANYTHING of presidential importance, just makes him look good. Thank God.

That's just my thoughts. Take my Charizard.

You, sir, are absolutely right. You deserve many thumbs, but sadly I can only give you one per post.

Thumbs are worthless, and the truth is thumbless!

Nice talking to you guys, but since nobody actually tries to debate me to be wrong, and just doesn't like the truth... I'll be leaving this thread...

That AA-rating isn't that bad, there are European countries getting downrated for less. Unemployment and debts have rised everywhere in the western world, wether they had a leftwing or a rightwing government, it's just the crisis. The oil-price isn't Obama's fault. He can't new oil or something and he has nothing to say on how much other oilcountries produce. And the US has only 1 war. Obama pulled back troops from Iraq and the mission in Libya is already over.

Obama inherited two wars without any tax compensation and he put those wars on the budget, which is why the deficit increased so much. Also, Obama passed a stimulus package, which inflated the debt for a short period, but was necessary and, according to economists, too small.

You can however give Obama shit for the NDAA and letting the Bush Tax cuts be extended.

-Inherited 10.8% unemployment
-The president cannot control gas prices
-Majority of the debt is a result of tax cuts

> "Leftist circle jerk red-thumbing"
In other words:
People are disagreeing with me and finding flaws in my arguments and I don't like it.

Dude, you have to be honest, Bush didn't exactly give Obama the ideal ground to start on.

Yes, he did do some good things, as did most presidents.
But Bush really wasn't the greatest president, was he?
I mean, for his first term, he wasn't even elected. He inherited presidency, kinda ironic in a supposedly democratic country.

The reason shit hit the fan in the first place was because there wasn't enough economic intervention. Look at how heavily Sweden, Norway and Switserland are regulated. They're doing quite well.

The US's household income is so high, because a small group of people have a metric fuckton of money. Hence why it's listed under Zimbabwe with income inequality.

Deregulation of the banks is what caused the economic collapse, not deregulation of investment freedom. Scandinavia's businesses are heavily regulated when it comes to environmental and health issues, which is good. They can afford to give businesses and investors more financial freedom, because that tax rates are very high compared to the US.

Switserland was a bad example, because they mainly survived due to their banking system and not being in the EU/Eurozone.

so, are you saying the swedish system is better then? also why do you know so much about swedish economy, from sweden? and why dont you think the rich should pay more taxes? in sweden theres a fuckload of taxes for the richest 1%, for example everything over 40.000sKR you earn per month in sweden is taxes originally 50% + additional fees that's about 5700 US dollars. Thats a system i agree with, i find it working very well and it distributes the wealth alot better then the system in the US. But if i understand you correctly you're to the right in the political spectra and think sweden is regulating the market correctly and agree with our high taxes? TL:DR inded sweden is good and USA is basically fucked with a shit economy and a extreme class difference

i dont even understand what your trying to say.. both sides of the us political spectras are a bad idea? yeah definitly agree with that one but i think the democrats are the lesser of two evils since if you look what the republicans have done.. talking about bribes and increases class differences and making health care expensive as fuck etc etc... my point is just the corruption is too fucking big in the republican party. Except prehaps Ron Paul but he got boo'ed down for quoting the bible and relating it to the irak war. Fuck all the retards who think war is something that is needed for the US where Bush and other presidents had private money invested in the manufacturing of weapons.. They should not be allowed to get away with it prison for life for killing thousands and stealing billions of dollars from the tax payers

So why label people who disagree with you? That seems to be an over-inflated sense of self-importance, telling yourself that anyone who disagrees with you is wrong.
But anyway, seeing as congress discards most of his decisions, we don't know about most of them.
I think that if we got rid of, or at least lessened the effectiveness, of having congress shoot down the president's ideas, we'd see a lot more change.

Not because they want the US to fail, you're just making the opposite argument seem worse by over-simplifying it.
Maybe because they don't agree with his method?
Maybe because they're hoping to snag the next election, and this could ruin it for them?
Maybe they believe that there are more important matters?
Regardless, Congress shouldn't have as much power over the president's decisions as they do.