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#10 - infiniteduress

Reply+129

(05/10/2013)[-]

Fixed Point in Time....

I'm so Sorry

#21 to #10 - thinegame

Reply+8

(05/10/2013)[-]

Constants and Variables.

#161 to #10 - haunterbrony

Reply+3

(05/11/2013)[-]

Here, have the gif version.

#167 to #161 - SunilCCXXXVII**User deleted account**

Reply+8

(05/11/2013)[-]

The picture was a fixed point in time.

#1 - nicopwnz

Reply+80

(05/10/2013)[-]

Dont question him

#20 - SirSheepy

Reply+61

(05/10/2013)[-]

Because it isn't like the death of Harry's parents led to the defeat of Voldemort or anything.

#44 to #20 - toyguymcderp

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(05/11/2013)[-]

Well if it wasint Harry's parents that died, it would have been Neville's and then Neville would grow up to kill Voldemort. So no matter what, either harry's or Neville's parents would have gotten killed.

#45 to #44 - SirSheepy

Reply0

(05/11/2013)[-]

but if neville's mother hadn't done the same thing as harry's mother then voldemort would have won.

#46 to #45 - toyguymcderp

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(05/11/2013)[-]

But it was in the prophecy that whoever Voldemort went for would grow up to kill him. So in some way Neville would have survived.

#136 to #46 - anon id: 135e9b86

Reply0

(05/11/2013)[-]

SOLUTION: kill voldemort when he was still a fetus.

#38 - helloagainagain

Reply+39

(05/10/2013)[-]

No matter what you did in every single scenario possible, your parents have to die.

#78 to #38 - jdsalenger

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(05/11/2013)[-]

#80 to #78 - cabbagemayhem

Reply0

(05/11/2013)[-]

hilarious

#75 to #38 - swagbot

Reply0

(05/11/2013)[-]

I hate that plot device - it's such ********.

Infinite was freaking awesome though :)

#73 - Schadenfreude

Reply+34

(05/11/2013)[-]

#43 - sirbrentcoe

Reply+9

(05/11/2013)[-]

going that far back in time would change the entire world. we are lead to believe that the Time Turner is a recent invention in book 3, and the only reason Hermione gets one is because she's an exceptionally gifted witch.

#47 to #43 - deathcampforjewtie

Reply+15

(05/11/2013)[-]

An exceptionally gifted thirteen-year-old hormonal witch-in-training.

#49 to #47 - sirbrentcoe

Reply0

(05/11/2013)[-]

under the strictures of vastly more powerful witches and wizards, who knew she had it. so if any circumstances arose where she was being irresponsible, they could have taken it from her immediately.

#50 to #49 - deathcampforjewtie

Reply+5

(05/11/2013)[-]

When you give someone the power of time, you can't guarantee anything immediate.

#64 to #50 - Crusader

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(05/11/2013)[-]

But time travel doesn't quite look like that.
If you listen to how they describe prophecies than you realize that everything in Harry Potter is predetermined, you can't truly change the past, or the present or the future because everything is destined, choice is an illusion because no matter what they did, everything ended up the same way.

#51 to #50 - sirbrentcoe

Reply0

(05/11/2013)[-]

...touche

#61 to #49 - Crusader

Reply+1

(05/11/2013)[-]

But how would they know?
She would have already gone back in time and changed it, theoretically.

#62 to #61 - sirbrentcoe

Reply0

(05/11/2013)[-]

with her being so young, you would anticipate her making mistakes, leaving out details and such.

#66 to #62 - Crusader

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(05/11/2013)[-]

yes, but the way time works is that everything is predestined, no matter what things would have ended the same.
The Prophecies were self-fulfilling and in the end, there was no free choice while they were under the power of them.

#76 to #43 - zorororonoa

Reply0

(05/11/2013)[-]

Awesome reaction pic you made of yourself.

#13 - chrolt

Reply+13

(05/10/2013)[-]

The time travelling is probably the biggest plothole in the entire series. It's just so out of place, and they never mention it again.

I mean, they could have saved Sirius, Dumbledore and probably some others I'm forgetting with just a teensy amount of planning. And besides if they can turn the clock back once, why not again if they fail? Or are you afraid of time paradoxes? It worked pretty well with the griffin, and imagine having 2 Harry Potters running around.

I mean, maybe they had some reason not to do it, but it's never brought up as far as I remember and magic can do pretty much anything in the potterverse. I could probably think of a few reasons why it wouldn't work, but my real problem with it is that they never even consider that time travel might be a usefull thing to have.

#154 to #13 - icefall

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(05/11/2013)[-]

The thing is, as proven by the third book. Harry Potter's universe follows a time-dimension that follow Novikov's Self-Consistency Principle. Actions you take to attempt to change the past will have no effect on the overall time continuum.

In the third movie's case, Buckbeak was "saved" but the actions of future-Harry do not affect what he witnessed in his past self. Thus Buckbeak was never dead.

#16 to #13 - anon id: d42a5a55

Reply0

(05/10/2013)[-]

Buckbeak is a Hippogryph.

The reason the Time Turner worked in Prisoner of Azkaban was because that's how it always went. Buckbeak never actually died and Harry saved himself and Sirius from the Dementors.

The way the Time Turner works is really bad to try to use it to save Dumbledore and the rest of them. First off, you go back in time on that specific spot, so even if you weren't anywhere near, it wouldn't help unless you go back many hours in advance, and even then, specifically for Dumbledore, the Death Eaters would have just killed off whoever showed up. Using the one time they did use it as an example, they never changed anything. The rock that broke the pot was thrown by Hermione, the howl that saved them from Lupin was made by Hermione, Buckbeak being saved and used to let Sirius escape all happened before they technically went back in time, which they later went back in time to do.

#19 to #16 - chrolt

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(05/10/2013)[-]

Well yes but the time travel they did implies fate, I.E. they have no control over their actions because what happened was always going to happen, as proved by events caused by their time travelling future selfs. They did change something because they went to the past, and changed the future and created a time loop.

My question is why is Buckbeak different from Dumbledore or Sirius? Is it because Buckbeak didn't die? But the reason he didn't die is because they travelled to the past. If I remember correctly they witnessed what they thought was his execution, meaning that the time travelling took place after the fact of the death.

From this we can conclude:
Either fate exists and is a huge douche for only letting them do it for the griffon.

Or time travel has really ****** up rules in this universe.

Or the protagonists are dumber than previously thought.

Or J.K. Rowling should not have attempted to bring time travel into HP.

Basically I think we can argue this till the sun dies, but the fact is that time travel is too vaguely described to make any definite answers, only annoying plotholes (arguably tiny) and speculation.

#22 to #19 - jacencaedus

Reply+1

(05/10/2013)[-]

'what they thought was his execution', keyword there is though, they never actually saw him die, this allows for the fact that the execution was unsuccessful.
And honestly, fate does exist in the HP universe, the only proof you need is the prophecy

#102 - tonytails

Reply+5

(05/11/2013)[-]

the act of saving buckbeak was something that already happened. THATS why they had to go back in the first place! to save the life that had already been saved by them in the universal relative past, but in their own relative future. they didnt CHANGE the past, they were just seeing to it that the past happened the way it already had.
it was absolutely known that harrys parents were dead, and if they HAD gone back with the timeturner, then they would have been unsuccessful ANYWAY, because their death is an absolute truth that had already occurred. there was no way to CHANGE the past, only assure that what happened in the past actually happened, because no matter what you did with the timeturner, whatever you did in the past had already happened anyway, and you were going to follow through with whatever you did, whether you wanted to or not.
THIS is why they couldnt talk to any of their own selves when they went back. it wouldve caused either a paradox, OR they wouldve already met their future selves when they were still relative to the universal relative time.
THIS is the "Fixed Timeline Theory." the act of saving buckbeak provided enough information for me to understand that this theory is the one used in harry potter.
(as opposed to the "Dynamic Timeline Theory" as seen in "Back to the Future")

#104 to #102 - faithrider

Reply+10

(05/11/2013)[-]

so what you are saying is that his parents' death was a fixed point in time, where as buckbeak's death was a non-fixed point?

#173 to #104 - klavi

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(05/11/2013)[-]

Buckbeak's survival was a fixed point in time. Try to keep up

#155 to #104 - icefall

Reply+2

(05/11/2013)[-]

Buckbeak never died, Harry thought he did, but after using the time turner it was revealed that Buckbeak was saved by their future selves.

#163 to #104 - anon id: 5ef366b1

Reply0

(05/11/2013)[-]

Buckbeak didn't die. When they thought they heard the sound of Buckbeak being decapitated, it was the sound of the executioneer splitting a pumpkin in frustration. Their future selves had already saved him at that point.

In the Harry Potter universe, your fate is predetermined, you are only fulfilling your destiny.

#105 to #104 - tonytails

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(05/11/2013)[-]

the act of harry and company saving buckbeak was a fixed point in time.
the death of harrys parents was a fixed point in time.
all of time is a fixed point in time and cannot be changed. ever.
its the most logical time theory, and one of my favorites.

(and i think doctor who is some sort of hybrid of the fixed timeline theory, and the multiverse theory.)

#106 to #105 - faithrider

Reply0

(05/11/2013)[-]

i think it's something like that...

#108 to #106 - tonytails

Reply-2

(05/11/2013)[-]

oh, and my studies on theoretical physics kinda draws some strength and mindpower from me...

#107 to #106 - tonytails

Reply-3

(05/11/2013)[-]

i still need to start watching that damn show, but i dont know where to start...
someone told me to begin with the 9th doctor, but i really dont know...
besides, ive got enough stuff on my plate, what with teaching myself german and esperanto, playing dust: an elysian tale, and watching breaking bad, band of brothers, the original star trek, and of course, all my music writing, practicing, and playing. i dont know where id fit it in...

#110 to #107 - faithrider

Reply0

(05/11/2013)[-]

definitely start with 9th doctor (beginning of the 2005 series) because i have yet to find a decent source for the original series. they have it on netflix. that's how i saw it. also thepiratebay.sx has most of the series.

#111 to #110 - tonytails

Reply-3

(05/11/2013)[-]

netflix it is then... thats where im watching breaking bad and star trek.

#145 to #111 - heritage

Reply0

(05/11/2013)[-]

You need to login to view this link
try this

#115 to #111 - faithrider

Reply0

(05/11/2013)[-]

like literally. i just bought a new samsung galaxy sIII mini ( a month and a half ago) and it has more processing power than my current (6 year old) computer...

#113 to #111 - faithrider

Reply0

(05/11/2013)[-]

i figured. i have one but i can't use it because GPU is kill...

#114 to #113 - tonytails

Reply-2

(05/11/2013)[-]

xbox live, man.

#119 to #114 - faithrider

Reply0

(05/11/2013)[-]

don't own an xbox. i usually use my phone i am all caught up on my dr who on netflix. but they don't have the new season of matt smith's series because it is still in season. right now i am watching Heroes with my girlfriend. Hiro is my favorite superpower, mainily because there are few people who can follow polt twists, and alternate timelines as well as my girlfriend and i ( dr who helped with that...)

#120 to #119 - tonytails

Reply-4

(05/11/2013)[-]

i wish i had a boyfriend to watch tv with...
kinda stuck alone... where do you think i have the time to study TWO languages, theoretical physics, and play so many games and watch so many tv shows?

#121 to #120 - faithrider

Reply-3

(05/11/2013)[-]

i didn't know you were a girl...

#123 to #121 - tonytails

Reply-4

(05/11/2013)[-]

im.... not...?
i would sell my soul to the lowest bidder and endure millenia of torture just to be so, but i am cursed with a horrendously blatant male body.

#125 to #123 - faithrider

Reply0

(05/11/2013)[-]

i don't usually reuse the same reaction pic... but when i do...

#126 to #125 - tonytails

Reply-4

(05/11/2013)[-]

non-cross dressing transbi male.
im an interesting breed.

#127 to #126 - faithrider

Reply0

(05/11/2013)[-]

i think Funnyjunk is stealing my brain...

#128 to #127 - tonytails

Reply-3

(05/11/2013)[-]

youre thinking too hard.
just do what i do.
...
...
<<<THAT

#129 to #128 - faithrider

Reply0

(05/11/2013)[-]

i try to. thinking is usually a dangerous thing for me.

#130 to #129 - tonytails

Reply-3

(05/11/2013)[-]

thinking too hard almost got me killed once. i wouldnt suggest it.
its why i study so much ****. ive made it my life goal to know everything. ever.

#131 to #130 - faithrider

Reply0

(05/11/2013)[-]

cool...

#133 to #131 - tonytails

-3

(05/11/2013)[-]

theoretical physics and time anomalies are one of my favorite subjects.
bringing us back to the original content of this ******* thread... time travel.

so yeah. the harry potter universe exists within its own confined fixed timeline.

#180 to #102 - Brouwera

Reply0

(05/11/2013)[-]

But the thing is, without the time turner Harry and the gang would never have been able to initiate the loop and Harry could not have saved himself from the Dementors. Ergo, his death would be a fixed point. The cyclus must have started at one point, when Buckbeak's death was also a fact. Harry in the book is not the one to initiate the loop, so it is true that in his universe Buckbeak was never dead but INITIALY Buckbeak had to be saved for real.

If we extrapolate this idea, then if Harry would have gone back in time to save his parents, then he would initiate that loop and his parents survival would be as much a fact as Buckbeak's. That's why the third book is flawed imo.

#101 - hoffmeisterh

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(05/11/2013)[-]

Buckbeak never died they just thought he died due to the view that they had of the execution, everything happened the same for their 'past selves' as it did for them before indicating it is a closed loop, where nothing was really changed, but it required them to believe they needed to change something for them to go back. Another signs of this are the times when the werewolf howls in both the first and second run.
Furthermore some people are talking about Harry 'just deciding to come back to life' and asking why his parents couldn't do that. Well that would be because they did not possess the Deathly Hallows as well as the complete conviction to die at the time of their deaths.
Also I would imagine the deaths of Harry's parents were 1. a fixed point in time, and 2. required in order to fulfill the prophecy to make Harry the chosen one etc. etc. I mean what would you pick; one kids having parents, or the vanquishing of a quasi-immortal evil wizard not only capable of killing 90% of the population, but who actively wants to do so.

tl;dr buckbeak never died because time travel. Killing Voldemort>Harry having parents. Yer a wizard harry.

#103 to #101 - faithrider

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(05/11/2013)[-]

coming at you bro