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Ser Barristan the bold. It wasn't a worthy death for Ser Barristan the bold. I NT b BEST MINE I EVER E NEVERWET ON THE FIELD, SER t' .' As Is MY WIFE. I DON' T

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#19 - madzombiie ONLINE (05/16/2015) [+] (6 replies)
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theres a ******* of spoilers in the conversation down here so be careful of that
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User avatar #6 - cptcanada (05/16/2015) [-]
hes still alive in the books though
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#62 to #6 - anon (05/17/2015) [-]
Which means that he'll get killed in the books in some other manner that is completely unimportant for the story.
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User avatar #128 to #62 - stankape ONLINE (05/17/2015) [-]
Or the showmakers are changing it up
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User avatar #26 to #6 - hairyforcekin (05/16/2015) [-]
That means he'll die in tWoW
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User avatar #28 to #26 - cptcanada (05/17/2015) [-]
I think not esspially the way he deid
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User avatar #7 to #6 - madzombiie ONLINE (05/16/2015) [-]
hes a POV character in the books, but the show didnt exactly need to see it from his eyes. its actually really smart from the show writers/directors because i know i didnt ******* see it coming, and i doubt the majority of people that read the books before did.
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User avatar #8 to #7 - cptcanada (05/16/2015) [-]
i didnt but rthat pisses me of, i know there are changes but thats a giant **** change
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User avatar #9 to #8 - madzombiie ONLINE (05/16/2015) [-]
i feel you man, i love his character so him being pepsi makes me really ******* sad.
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User avatar #10 to #9 - cptcanada (05/16/2015) [-]
i think the only thing thats worse imo is no strong bewas or maybe donal
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User avatar #11 to #10 - madzombiie ONLINE (05/16/2015) [-]
no coldhands >: grenn and pyp dying sucks ass too.
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User avatar #12 to #11 - cptcanada (05/16/2015) [-]
yeah thats true they also ****** up the winterfell thing since its sansa there not poole
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User avatar #13 to #12 - madzombiie ONLINE (05/16/2015) [-]
thats true, but im curious to see how that plays out, especially with stannis on his way and brienne being there.
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User avatar #14 to #13 - cptcanada (05/16/2015) [-]
yeah but it takes alot of the ohh **** factor oh it like mance goes down to save her only to find out its not....... that would have been great to watch
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User avatar #15 to #14 - madzombiie ONLINE (05/16/2015) [-]
it wouldve but we dont even know if theyre sticking with the whole mance isnt actually dead thing
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User avatar #16 to #15 - cptcanada (05/16/2015) [-]
which would suck since hes a great character
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User avatar #17 to #16 - madzombiie ONLINE (05/16/2015) [-]
yes it would. im also curious to see how they handle the jorah thing, and im assuming they arent bringing aegon and griff in at all.
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User avatar #18 to #17 - cptcanada (05/16/2015) [-]
i have a feeling they're fairly important to the plot though not sure how yet but im pissed bout the lack of victorian as well i saw him as dany's we to crossing the narrow sea
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User avatar #20 to #18 - madzombiie ONLINE (05/16/2015) [-]
im sure theyll touch on all bases. i hope anyway
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User avatar #21 to #20 - cptcanada (05/16/2015) [-]
same ive been feeling less interested in the show of late mainly due to their action this season
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User avatar #1 - voltkills ONLINE (05/16/2015) [-]
did you see how badass was though before he went down, he was sick as **** .
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#91 to #1 - nextnextnextnext (05/17/2015) [-]
Choreography was poor, and Barristan walking without any kind of armor when people are killed in the streets every day was ******* stupid.

"Unsullied" getting rekt by some untrained amateur militia was equally stupid.
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User avatar #3 to #1 - slyve (05/16/2015) [-]
Agreed. He kicked ass before he went down.
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#34 to #3 - CommonJoo (05/17/2015) [-]
Although I agree that it was the number advantage that was his downfall, the poor choreography really made Barriston look weak.
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User avatar #25 - mudkipslayer (05/16/2015) [-]
Nice to leave out the fact he slaughtered pretty much the entire ambush party, half of them after he was injured, while the commander of the most feared army in the continent, young and in his prime, was getting his ass whooped and his soldiers were getting rekt.
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User avatar #67 to #25 - kecyd (05/17/2015) [-]
But he said that he could cut through the kingsguard like cake. That are supposed to be some of the best knights in the realm. Compared to just taking out maybe 10 untrained nobles.
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User avatar #94 to #67 - EdwardNigma (05/17/2015) [-]
The current kingsguard is all **** . Even Jaime now is pretty **** without his hand. They're not proper Kingsguard. They ain't Arthur Dayne or Duncan the Tall level of ass tearing. The Kingsguard are MEANT to be some of the best knights in the realm. But in this case, they aren't.

Plus, the Sons of the Harpy are dirty fighters. They're not chivalrous knights like Barristan, they're a bunch of bastards.
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User avatar #86 to #67 - talldude ONLINE (05/17/2015) [-]
With armor he would have survived easily.
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#73 to #67 - vytros ONLINE (05/17/2015) [-]
Numbers m8, numbers win everything.
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User avatar #71 to #67 - mudkipslayer (05/17/2015) [-]
He was also younger when he said that. IDK how long it's been since the start of the story but when he said that it was all the way back in season 1 right?

Also those nobles seemed pretty good with combat, and despite the numerical advantage and the element of surprise, he slaughtered all but one of them. I'm not sure if he and greyworm both died though, I think I might have missed the latest episode. I saw the leaked episodes online, when the first 4 all came out at the same time
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#23 - anon (05/16/2015) [-]
Outnumbered, unarmored, ambushed, in an alley, and old. Frankly it's surprising he lived as long as he did. In reality the greatest warrior is hardly a match for two mediocre warriors, at the Tower of Joy Ned met three knights of the king's guard including ser Arther Dayne, possibly the greatest knight in Westeros, Ned including his men were seven (or was it six, either way) against three, Ned's men were war hardened but still no match for such knights as the king's guard one on one, more soldiers than true warriors. But, their numbers were greater so they triumphed, Ned and another man were all that survived but they vanquished three of the best warriors in Westeros simply because they outnumbered them. All things being equal, numbers will decide the outcome of a fight every time.
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#37 to #23 - gerfox (05/17/2015) [-]
In the books its implied that Ser Arthur Dayne, who was the last standing of the knights, would've killed both Howland Reed and Ned himself if it wasn't for Howland Reed saving Ned by doing some shady **** . I think he used magic to defeat Ser Arthur, but I think we will know for sure in the next book.
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User avatar #46 to #37 - esmebuffay ONLINE (05/17/2015) [-]
Some people think that Howland skinchanged into Arthur allowing Ned to kill him, I don't subscribe to the theory myself but it's interesting to consider. Personally I think Howland probably just stabbed Arthur in the back while he was pressing Ned, something simple like that. George has said he'll show up at some point, at which point I imagine the events at the tower of joy will become more clear, how exactly Arthur died and what Lyanna made Ned promise.
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#52 to #46 - gerfox (05/17/2015) [-]
Yeah, Howland Reed could be an useful ally to whoever ends up on top in the North. He might also shed some light on the whole L + R = J rumours.

He might've skinchanged, but I've never heard that theory before. Sounds interesting, makes sense. Maybe that's how he impressed in that tourney at Harrenhaal too. Isn't it so that you lose a part of your soul or something if you are killed while skinchanged though?
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User avatar #53 to #52 - esmebuffay ONLINE (05/17/2015) [-]
Might be something like losing one's soul is mentioned but I don't recall any such thing, the pain that one wildling skinchanger feels when his eagle is set on fire made him temporarily mad though. Might be you're thinking of how being into a beast when your human body dies leaves some of you in said beast, to live out a kind of second life. He was in a dog when it died when he was a kid also, I don't remember anything about losing a part of your soul, it has been over a year since I read the books though.
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User avatar #77 to #37 - thesovereigngrave (05/17/2015) [-]
I think old Howland just fought dirty. Tangled Dayne up in a net or something else that the Crannogmen are known for.
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User avatar #24 to #23 - bionicpanda ONLINE (05/16/2015) [-]
GRRM himself said that Ser Arthur Dayne and Barristan would be a toss up unless Ser Arthur had his sword, Dawn, then Ser Arthur would win
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User avatar #95 to #24 - EdwardNigma (05/17/2015) [-]
Okay but what about based Duncan the Tall against Arthur Dayne?
Thats a fight I'd want to ******* see.
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User avatar #147 to #95 - bionicpanda ONLINE (05/17/2015) [-]
I haven't read the Dunk and Egg books, so i couldn't tell
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User avatar #149 to #147 - EdwardNigma (05/17/2015) [-]
Well, they aren't Duncan at his MLG pro Kingsguard level.
Hes still hardcore, but not AS hardcore as he gets.
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User avatar #150 to #149 - bionicpanda ONLINE (05/17/2015) [-]
idk i can't see him being much better than Barristan or Arthur
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User avatar #151 to #150 - EdwardNigma (05/17/2015) [-]
He was one of the greatest Kingsguard in history and some next level of hardcore at trial by combat and duels specifically. He beat Lyonel god damn Baratheon in a fight, and Lyonel was a ******* champion.
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#29 - Indoknight (05/17/2015) [-]
It's because he didn't have armor.
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User avatar #43 to #29 - rarityrarityrarity (05/17/2015) [-]
and a big ******* sword
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#27 - anon (05/17/2015) [-]
They were outnumbered and he killed a lot of the ******* before he went down.
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#93 - EdwardNigma (05/17/2015) [-]
Mate. He had little armour, was outnumbered and is old.
He still killed a ******* of them. Even injured, he kept going.
Barristan ******* Selmy went down the way Barristan ******* Selmy should have gone down. Killing as many people as he can in the name of the Targaryen dynasty.

I'm not happy about killing him off for no decent reason, but whatever. And hey, look on the bright side. Maybe with Barristan gone, someone will replace him. Maybe a large, strong, scarred pit fighter. One can dream.
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User avatar #117 to #93 - undeadmaus (05/17/2015) [-]
I don't know if you have realised this by now but they're getting rid of the extended supporting cast and only keeping the necessary characters. So the answer is no.
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User avatar #111 to #93 - anonymoose (05/17/2015) [-]
Also, a lot of of the Sons of the Harpy would be ex-fighting pit fighters who hate Dany for closing the pits.
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User avatar #54 - lamarsmithgot (05/17/2015) [-]
thats one of the reasons why i like game of thrones so much. GRRM dont **** around one bit, and it makes for awesome storytelling


proudest most powerful lord? wife dies birthing drunken midget who would later kill him while he was ********

mightiest dothraki warlord? dies of an infection from a scratch

greatest swordsman ever? sword hand lopped off

other greatest swordsmen ever? stabbed to death in an alleyway



if GRRM wrote the bible, goliath would've caved david's head in with his bare hands.
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#72 to #54 - araell (05/17/2015) [-]
also having your nipple cut off isnt exactly a scratch
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User avatar #81 to #54 - angelusprimus (05/17/2015) [-]
Jamie is not even CLOSE to greatest swordsman ever.
Sword of the morning and Selmy in his youth were both much better.
And that's just the current generation, Aemon the Dragonknight, Daemon Targaryen (dance of dragons), Daemon Blackfyre and Cregan Stark would all carve Jamie to pieces.

I have a bit of a man-crush on Daemon Targaryen. Need to kill the most powerful dragon in the world and his rider? Jump off your dragon in a and kill the rider in midair and drive the dragon to crash.
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#112 to #81 - anon (05/17/2015) [-]
Wow, you're a real canon guy, huh? Me too; I love the history of GRRM's world nearly as much as the main series. I remember all those characters being in the world of ice and fire (except Cregan Stark, I believe Aemon the Dragonknight mentioned him?), have you read it? If not, I definitely recommend reading at least the history of the targaryen reigns. By the way, why do you like Aemond? The **** with Blood and Cheese was pretty awful.
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User avatar #129 to #112 - angelusprimus (05/17/2015) [-]
Oh and Cregan Stark was said to have fought Aemon the Dragonknight to a standstill and was called by Aemon "The finest swordsman I ever fought."
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User avatar #127 to #112 - angelusprimus (05/17/2015) [-]
Daemon? I like him because he is an anti hero in the proper original meaning of the phrase.
He is not a good guy, he is not a nice guy, he will do horrible things if he needs to. But he will protect those he loves with his life, even when they betray him.
My favorite quote about him is " They say every time a new Targaryen is born the gods toss a coin if child we be a monster or a hero. Daemon Targaryen was both."

And I did read the world of ice and fire and its freaking awesome. I love the lore of the well developed fantasy worlds almost as much as I love the books themselves.
If you like big well developed worlds like that, with huge history that is slowly but masterfully shown to us, I recommend you Brandon Sanderson's The Stormlight Archive, its pretty new only two books out, but its very original and different and well developed.
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User avatar #139 to #127 - wecthil (05/17/2015) [-]
Just another example that, even though it is fantasy, the name does not indicate what you'll become. Daemon Targaryen was awesome, as was Daemon I Blackfyre(to some extent, at least). Daemon II Blackfyre on the other hand was a bad joke.
Same happens with Baelor. Baelor I. Targaryen was one of the worst kings you'll ever find, Baelor Breakspear on the other hand would have been one of the best of he weren't slain by Prince Maekar.
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User avatar #141 to #139 - angelusprimus (05/17/2015) [-]
Yep, and first Daenerys was gentle princess who liked to spend time in the gardens watching children play.
I love that about the world.
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User avatar #136 to #81 - wecthil (05/17/2015) [-]
If we're going at that, lets continue the list... let's see... Baelor Breakspear; Maekar, the Prince of Summerhall(although he uses a mace not a sword ;)); Brynden Rivers(Lord Bloodraven); Theon Stark the Hungry Wolf; Robert Baratheon(in his young years. And tecnically not a swordsman(hammer and stuff... whatever.); Quentin Ball; The Smiling Knight; Lyonel Baratheon the Laughing Storm; Gregor Clegane(although honestly, this guy is just a monster. I mean, seriously.); Prince Lewin Martell; Leo Longthorn etc. etc.

Definitely not all of them a better than Jaime Lannister, but all of them are/were great fighters(if not great knights...and yes, I'm speaking about you Gregor.)
Although you have to admit that Jaime is one hell of a swordsman. And in my opinion, he also becomes a very good character in the later books.
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User avatar #142 to #136 - angelusprimus (05/17/2015) [-]
Great list.
I tried to limit myself to known swordsmen, and the ones who were hailed as greatest of their time. Robert Baratheon was one of the best warriors, but since he used a warhammer...
I agree with you on Jaimie, he was an awesome swordsman just not greatest ever. And he became one of my favorite characters, though it take a long time for me to get over throwing a child out of the window.
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User avatar #155 to #142 - wecthil (05/18/2015) [-]
It wasn't actually the throwing-Bran-out-of-the-window-part that pissed me of about him, but the killing-Jory-and-the-other-guards-of-Eddard-in-the-streets-while-laughing-part. Although i admire Roberts decision afterwards. One of the few good line he had, and one of the points where the man he was came through. Surely it sounded quite harsh and cruel, but being a king, making decisions is not about making friends. It's about ruling and it's about justice. "Yes Ned, he killed three of your man, but you killed five of his. This ends NOW."
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User avatar #55 to #54 - somuchfreedom (05/17/2015) [-]
GRRM didn't write sir barriston getting killed like that. That only happens in the show
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#58 to #55 - lamarsmithgot (05/17/2015) [-]
well thanks for ******** up the books for me *****
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User avatar #59 to #58 - somuchfreedom (05/17/2015) [-]
watching the series up to this point and not having yet read the books this far. Also reading and and commenting in content with a super high chance for spoilers. I am not in the least bit sorry for it. And honestly, someone not dying yet isn't really much of a spoiler
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#40 - tacoperson (05/17/2015) [-]
Ok so I guess it's up to me to explain. The show was VERY faithful to the books up until season 4 where it started deviating. However now they've decided to go ******* and change like 80% of what happened in the books.

Spoilers for book that doesn't matter now in the show cause it's ****** different:

In the books barristan selmy WAS that good, and he has yet to die. What all those people said about him were absolutely true. However in the show they decided to kill him off for GOD knows why.

Honestly this is one of the reasons why I"m pissed about what the show is doing, they've not only cut out some of the best characters but they're killing more off too.
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#88 to #40 - anon (05/17/2015) [-]
young griff seemed pretty important in the books
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User avatar #99 to #40 - khazix (05/17/2015) [-]
The actor probably just wanted off the show to go do other projects, kinda like the actor for dahario, but he has had too much screen time to simply replace him with another actor like they did with the mountain and dahario.
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#102 to #40 - austinpowerz (05/17/2015) [-]
I'm pretty sure GRRM has a large say in the script of the series. It would be pretty stupid, on the scriptwriters part, to kill off a character who later is relied on as part of the plot. If they killed Sir barristan, then it was because GRRM said it was ok to do so.
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#103 to #102 - tacoperson (05/17/2015) [-]
it's already been announced that the book and show are completely different canons now.

Also one thing that's REALLY bugging me is how people are taking all these deaths and cuts to say that these characters aren't even important in the book, and that really worries me. If Euron Crows Eye doesn't actually do anything important I"m going to burn my song of ice and fire collection.
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#105 to #103 - austinpowerz (05/17/2015) [-]
Do you have a source on that, I'm intrigued as to what GRRM has said.
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#106 to #105 - tacoperson (05/17/2015) [-]
I do not, just what a friend told me. Could be wrong I guess.
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User avatar #109 to #40 - anonymoose (05/17/2015) [-]
They probably killed him off because they want Jorah to take his place in the TV show, him being a more recognisable person to the average fan.

Jorah will probably be the person who arrests Hizdar and nearly dies to Drogon.
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#114 to #40 - anon (05/17/2015) [-]
My theory for why Barristan died is it make Daenerys more needy for loyal friends in a city with more enemies by the day. So when Jorah comes back, she wont be so harsh, and give him another chance.
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User avatar #121 to #40 - kaiyuni (05/17/2015) [-]
You have to keep in mind the show is trying to end this season. The books (to my knowledge) are still going strong.
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#41 to #40 - anon (05/17/2015) [-]
Amazing, like literally every other show/movie made from a book, they are changing **** , and you are surprised. I am not happy, but ok with them changing **** like they do in many things. if it was a perfect word for word remake it would be predictable, but by changing things while still following the rough path of the novels they keep it fresh but familiar, which I enjoy greatly.

You are the kind of person who would argue against every new piece of technology, because its not "the way it was before."
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#92 to #41 - tacoperson (05/17/2015) [-]
I'm ok with some changes but it's at least 80% different now, and I have a right to be salty when they take out literally all but two of the characters I actually like.
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User avatar #61 to #40 - mmmilovemeth ONLINE (05/17/2015) [-]
I'm still ****** off that Strong Belwas never showed up in the show!
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#104 to #61 - tacoperson (05/17/2015) [-]
I know your pain. That was the first major thing they ****** up.
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#30 - kingderps (05/17/2015) [-]
I thought the unsullied or w/e they're called should have slaughtered the ambushers. But towards the end of the scene I accepted that they were in a tight spot, and out-numbed but still had a great kill ratio. As for Barristan, he was aging and not armored as I recall.
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User avatar #31 to #30 - johnas [OP](05/17/2015) [-]
He fought well, but the unsullied could have taken a better formation. The ambushers only came from two sides as I recall , which means the unsullied could have stood in two lines, back to back, and easily have killed the ambushers. They were raised to be warriors, but this scene didn't make it look like they were.
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#38 to #31 - gerfox (05/17/2015) [-]
The Unsullied are raised to fight on battlefields, not in narrow spaces. Spears are not ideal in such places.
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User avatar #96 to #38 - EdwardNigma (05/17/2015) [-]
Exactly. Book wise, they're meant to have short swords as well as spears.
So I was sitting there thinking "WHERE ARE YOUR ******* SHORT SWORDS."
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#32 to #31 - kingderps (05/17/2015) [-]
I agree the scene could have been staged better. One thing that may have helped it is if those showed a scene of hordes of these attackers flowing into the room to give a better visual of how many they were fighting. Or maybe if the attackers used some cheap method like throwing fire bombs.
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User avatar #2 - mimisiku ONLINE (05/16/2015) [-]
I believe he died helping grey worm, no the other way around, during an ambush. Where they were largely outnumbered. So.
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User avatar #64 to #2 - waacson ONLINE (05/17/2015) [-]
Yes, but grey worms are a specialised army, they were equipped with spears and shields, weapons to be used on distance, they formed no formation, they didn't even atttempt to carve through them, grey worms are useless soldiers.
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User avatar #4 to #2 - johnas [OP](05/16/2015) [-]
He started out with helping grey worm, but it ended the other way around
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User avatar #5 to #4 - mimisiku ONLINE (05/16/2015) [-]
I'm pretty sure that Grey Worm only helped him out when the last one had him by the throat. And Barriston took down a good number of them.
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#22 - Desdenne (05/16/2015) [-]
And old man took down what ? A dozen? enemies and managed to save grey worm . Hell of an accomplishment for a man out of his prime.
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#39 - tenpoundpom (05/17/2015) [-]
he did take out like a dozen dudes surrounding him with knives tho
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User avatar #57 to #39 - somuchfreedom (05/17/2015) [-]
a bunch of rich pussies with no training
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#90 - nextnextnextnext (05/17/2015) [-]
His death in the show wasn't badass.
The books (and the show!) constantly mention that an armored knight reks an unarmored fighter. It is especially underlined in the book Barristan Selmy chapter which happens after what will presumably be a highlight of Daenerys' plot this season.

He basically defeats a skilled pit fighter breaking no ******* sweat because:
1) He is Barristan Selmy
2) He has armor.
Moreover, in a city that has political killings left and right book Selmy wears armor constantly.
Him dying unarmoured in an alley to some guys with daggers is going against not only the book character, but also the 'lessons' from the show.
Plus I don't get why they let Grey Worm / Missandei ****** OC romance subplot continue over going with Barristan's book chapters. Now they presumably spoiled Selmy's book death to the readers and will replace it with plot which is going absolutely nowhere (I predict that Missandei/Grey Worm will both die after some more development of their dickless love that nobody cares about).
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#113 to #90 - anon (05/17/2015) [-]
He didn't break no sweat against Spotted Cat, he was nearly killed. His armor caught the blade.
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#126 to #113 - nextnextnextnext (05/17/2015) [-]
that was the point, he knew that he can't be touched, therefore he didn't waste time to block.
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User avatar #36 - zenler (05/17/2015) [-]
me and a mate didn't understand that scene. didn't the unsullied have throat protectors but kept on gettin their throats cut. hwat

it seems the unsullied did get lazy because arent they meant to be like the warrior elite, at least better than random people with daggers. iirc they had swords or some **** , with shields and spears. the ****
who cares if they're outnumbered, surrounded and ambushed. all the means for them to kill the ******* back faster
/rant
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#153 - anon (05/17/2015) [-]
All of you, shut up.

Ser Barristan's death was a good one for his character. We loved him, we looked up to him as a bad ass, but if you live by the sword you will eventually die by it. He was getting much older in years, and it finally happened.

He didn't die in a bed, or from poison, or something like that... he died saving a young and promising commander of the unsullied. He died a brave man, slaying ten men like it was nothing.... he died the way he lived a hero, and it's tragic that such a man dies ultimately as a pawn in a game of thrones.....

At least that's how I see it.

Peace, y'all.
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#125 - nielsbentzen (05/17/2015) [-]
But they would the unsolied use ******* spears in such close quarters
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#154 to #125 - klutzyspy (05/17/2015) [-]
Wondered the same..
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#42 - ninjadingle (05/17/2015) [-]
Who does a reposte to a child?
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User avatar #158 - Ging (06/08/2015) [-]
Above all, he died BOLD
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