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ONLINE (01/12/2016) [-] I can read it, but it makes no ******* sense.
"Not mentioning that Stark not only deserved the kingdom but it was was willed it. "
"It was was willed it"
By ******* who? No one ever wanted the Starks to rule.
They also never laid claim on the whole kingdom, just the North
And Stannis never killed Starks
What the **** are you banging on about
"Not mentioning that Stark not only deserved the kingdom but it was was willed it. "
"It was was willed it"
By ******* who? No one ever wanted the Starks to rule.
They also never laid claim on the whole kingdom, just the North
And Stannis never killed Starks
What the **** are you banging on about
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beastmunger (01/12/2016) [-]
On top of what everyone else has said, that was actually in the show too. I never read the books but from what people who have read them told me, Season 1 was pretty spot on in likeness to the books, and it just slowly deviated further each season
robert didnt want the starks to RULE. he wanted eddard as hand of the king and to be the proxy king until joffrey came of age, he didnt forsake joffery as heir, he never found out the truth of his kids and so he never forsook them.
eddard did know of the kids lineage and he attempted to usurp joffrey and give power to stannis baratheon who is rightful king by blood.
cersei blocked this with the help of petyr baelish and the spider. and eddard was to be sent to the wall after he confessed that he attempted to usurp the throne from joffrey
joffrey went against the plan and had eddard beheaded, resulting in open rebellion in the north.
eddard did know of the kids lineage and he attempted to usurp joffrey and give power to stannis baratheon who is rightful king by blood.
cersei blocked this with the help of petyr baelish and the spider. and eddard was to be sent to the wall after he confessed that he attempted to usurp the throne from joffrey
joffrey went against the plan and had eddard beheaded, resulting in open rebellion in the north.
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jdizzleoffthehizzl (01/12/2016) [-]
You are right up until the Spider part, it was actually Sansa that ****** it all up by blabbing her fat mouth to Cersei
ONLINE (01/12/2016) [-] Don't you start with me mate, I read the damn books too.
If I remember right, Robert wanted Ned to rule until Joffrey was of a proper age. Not permanently. Or at least, continue as Hand. But Ned knew Roberts "sons" were not his own, and tried to put Stannis on the throne, as by right of succession, the throne was his.
The Starks have no claim to the whole kingdom and only a loose claim to the North. And on top of that, neither Ned nor Robb want the throne. Ned wanted to ******* go home, Robb wanted independence for the North.
If I remember right, Robert wanted Ned to rule until Joffrey was of a proper age. Not permanently. Or at least, continue as Hand. But Ned knew Roberts "sons" were not his own, and tried to put Stannis on the throne, as by right of succession, the throne was his.
The Starks have no claim to the whole kingdom and only a loose claim to the North. And on top of that, neither Ned nor Robb want the throne. Ned wanted to ******* go home, Robb wanted independence for the North.
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jdizzleoffthehizzl (01/12/2016) [-]
A loose claim to the north?!?! They had no claim to the Riverlands but the North has been theirs since they beat all the other Northern houses either by Forces or voluntary vassilization (not really a word) until Aegon the Conqueror arrived, to which he allowed them to remain as Wardens of the North (A king in all but name). They only bent the knee to the dragons and now with the Targaryen bloodline through the Baratheons extinguished in the show and a single unbroken line of succession from the original Kings in the North up until now I say put that little **** Rickon on the throne of Winterfell due to Bran's disability.
ONLINE (01/12/2016) [-] It is still a loose claim, because it was surrendered 300 years ago. The King in the North, Torrhen Stark, surrendered to Aegon, and as such, surrendered his right to rule and his claim to the North. By right of conquest, by Aegon the ******* Conqueror, the Starks gave up the right to be Kings in the North, same as people gave up their claims of kingship when the Starks made themselves the Kings in the North so long ago.
Robb had to cling to the title. There was no power in it outside the North and Riverlands. There would only be power in it if he had won, when the rest of the kingdom would have to recognise it.
Robb had to cling to the title. There was no power in it outside the North and Riverlands. There would only be power in it if he had won, when the rest of the kingdom would have to recognise it.
Willed as in given to him in a last will and testament, by Robert Baratheon