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ALL HAIL INCEST

DANY Vs. JOFFREY...
BORN OF INCEST
LETS ESTHER'S FIGHT FUEHER HATES
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HAS ND REAL CLAIM TO THE THRONE
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WANTED TO FREE THE WORLD FE A TRIBE or RAPI STS BARBARIANS
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#9 - ninivr (04/30/2014) [-]
Why shouldn't Daenerys have a real claim to the throne?
Stannis is the lawful heir to Robert, but Robert himself wasn't the lawful king.
Daenerys is the daughter and the only living descendant of the last lawful king. According to a popular fan theory Jon Snow could be another claimant ... but this is only speculation, and besides since he is a bastard and, above all, he has taken the Black, he's out of the chain of succesion.
So her claim to the throne is more than real.
I wouldn't like her to be my queen... but medieval succession laws wasn't about who you like and who you don't...
#10 to #9 - ninivr (04/30/2014) [-]
*weren't
#11 to #9 - John Cena (05/06/2014) [-]
How could you forget the whole gender thing?
#12 to #11 - ninivr (05/07/2014) [-]
the Westerosi succession system (which is inspired on the old british Male-preference cognatic primogeniture system) states that the title goes to the eldest son if there is one; and if there isn't, to the eldest daughter.
There are several cases of women with a title in Westeros, like for example Maege Mormond, sister of Jorah Mormont and Lady of Bear Island, or, much later, Myrcella, Joffrey's and Tommen's sister, that (almost) gets nominated queen of Westeros by the Prince of Dorne (although, to be honest, that is a different and somewhat messier situation...).
But, anyway, a woman in Westeros can be queen as long as she is the oldest daughter of a king and she has no living brothers, like Daenerys. Lordship (or king--- queenship...) is not precluded to women in Westeros, it's just much harder to obtain.
#17 to #9 - myjunk (05/18/2014) [-]
How do you say what is lawful or not? The Targaryens (Aegon the Conqueror) took the throne by force and so did Robert Baratheon.
Their descendants don't have more or less claim to the throne than the others.
If GoT teaches you something it's that history is written by the victors.
"Someday, you'll sit on the throne, and the truth will be what you make it. "
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#18 to #17 - ninivr (05/19/2014) [-]
It's not that simple, I'm afraid.
Having a strong army is essential in order to acquire and hold the throne, but the deal is much more complex than that: Westeros (much like medieval Europe) isn't exactly a rational society. Leaders (kings, nobles etc...) aren't chosen by the people, so they need something to legitimize them, in order to avoid rebellions and avoid to be easily replaced. That something is tradition (and religion).
In the middle ages, some peasant couldn't just take a castle and become a noble, and in the same way a nobleman couldn't just raise an army and become king.
Noblemen and kings were god's emissaries: they were chosen by god, they were deposed by god. Interfere with his plans was considered a heinous crime.
If a nobleman wanted to raise himself to kingship without being the direct heir, he had to do two things: first to declare (and somehow prove) that the king was unlawfully occupying the throne (thus declaring him an “usurper”), and second to prove that he himself had a lawful claim (a blood-related claim).
Without both these two things, a rebellion was almost always bound to fail, because even the most well-connected wannabe king would be opposed either by the other noblemen, by the people, by the church or by the foreign kings and nobility (or... you know... by all of them).
And in Westeros it works exactly like that. And that can be easily seen in both the examples you gave:
#20 to #18 - ninivr (05/19/2014) [-]
Aegon the conqueror took the Seven Kingdoms when they where little more than nomadic tribes (like the Roman Empire did with all the Germanic and British tribes); they were overwhelmingly more powerful, fighting with steel against bronze, with armies against hunting parties and with dragons against wooden castles. And still, they faced extreme resistance, because they weren't considered "lawful", and they definetly weren't chosen by the gods. In order to reign over the Seven Kingdoms they had to burn down all the “old gods” (the weirwood trees) and substitute them with their “new gods” that, coincidentally, approved them as lawful kings, thus legitimizing them.
And about Robert's Rebellion... well... it wasn't “Robert's Rebellion” at first, it was “Ned Stark's Rebellion”, triggered by the kidnapping of Lyanna Stark and by the murder of Rickard and Brandon Stark. So why it became Robert's? ...because Robert was kin to the Targaryen: his grandmother was a Targaryen, daughter and sister of kings.
Everybody knew that Robert would have become a ****** king. Ned knew it. Jon Arryn knew it. Robert himself knew it. But he was the only one with a valid claim, so the only way to win the rebellion (and to rule the kingdom afterward) was to make him king.
So yes: not only Daenerys has a strong claim to the throne, but she also NEED it, because an army alone is far from enough...
#23 to #20 - myjunk (05/19/2014) [-]
Harrenhall surely was not build from wood and I doubt the Westerosi were that undeveloped. They simply never faced and had no chance of defeating dragons who's wings were so vast that whole towns were swallowed up in their shadow, spittinhg fire that Melts down fortress towers.
The Weirwood Trees were destroyed soon after the Andal invasion, that brought the Faith of the Seven almost 6.000 years before Aegon's conquest. That wasn't the Targaryens
#24 to #23 - ninivr (05/19/2014) [-]
yeah you have a point... I actually confused the andal invasion with the Targaryen invasion.
....that is really embarrassing, and I wish I had duble checked... but still, every thing else is true...
#21 to #20 - ninivr (05/19/2014) [-]
....sorry fot the long post(s) ... I kinda got caught by the discussin...! =)
User avatar #3 - painfulpain (04/22/2014) [-]
If Joffrey was force doggy style ****** by what i can only describe as a 'big boy' id prob feel more sorry for him and understand his anger more. Mind you i wouldn't mind seeing karl drogos ghost come back with the specific need to rape the Joffrey from an episode ago.
#7 - John Cena (04/23/2014) [-]
I hate Dany.I read the books and she is a bich.
User avatar #2 - mrsnowballs ONLINE (04/22/2014) [-]
**** that Witch! **** HER! May she burn in the seven hells
#8 - John Cena (04/23/2014) [-]
I actually hate Dany far more than I ever hated Joffrey. The only people I know who actually like her are fangirls who are so enamoured with the idea of a "strong female figure" that they can't see she's actually a terrible monarch whose astounding luck seems to balance out her incredible stupidity and naiveté
#15 - myjunk (05/18/2014) [-]
Also missing Joffrey's counterpoint: "Get's gifted a prostitute but all he can think of is forcing her to torture her friend end then shoot her with a crossbow."
#14 - myjunk (05/18/2014) [-]
Why does she hate the Stark's?
#22 to #14 - ninivr (05/19/2014) [-]
She hates Ned Stark because he was part of Robert's rebellion. Furthermore, Jorah Mormont never speaks too highly about Ned, since he was exiled by him.
User avatar #13 - temporalguardian (05/13/2014) [-]
Most of that is complete bs for daenerys.
User avatar #1 - sanjix (04/22/2014) [-]
who tormented jeoffrey? his siblings were younger than him, and were pretty usless to the plot till jeoffrey died.
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