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#39 - oddboyaj (08/05/2013) [-]
I'm sorry, but where is this verse condoning rape from?
User avatar #55 to #39 - feelythefeel (08/06/2013) [-]
Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city.
-Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB

Among others.
#108 to #55 - oddboyaj (08/06/2013) [-]
This is my quick answer, from what I'm getting this is God telling the people of Jerusalem of something devastating that will happen. He's not condoning the act of rape he's saying how horrible this is going to be. He even gives a picture of Jesus in this war that he goes on to speak of. Rape is a sin, that's shouldn't get mixed up though. God is just giving a picture of something horrible, I'm not certain but you may be able to look at it as warning. In any case here's a good commentary on the subject if you're interested,
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but as far as suffering goes, there is no easy answer to it. I have one that I like though, it's something Tim Keller said once, and I'm sure many others. Christianity has something a lot of other religions do not, in that we have a God who came down as a servant, humbling himself, suffering like us, walking as we do, being tempted as we are, getting stressed out like we do, weeping like we do. We do not know why God allows suffering to happen, BUT we do know it is not from lack of care because of God's suffering. Jesus Christ can sympathize with use, so there is no lack of care. We just don't know why.
#84 to #55 - oddboyaj (08/06/2013) [-]
Hey, man. I'm gonna do some research and get back to you on all of that okay? Someone did say something helpful, but brashly. That being, always use context in reading the bible, even in Genesis "Who is this being written for, why, etc, what's the situation".
User avatar #64 to #55 - Bad Man (08/06/2013) [-]
Did you somehow miss the blatant sense of punishment mentioned in that verse? That's far from condoning it.
User avatar #67 to #64 - feelythefeel (08/06/2013) [-]
I suppose I did.
User avatar #68 to #67 - feelythefeel (08/06/2013) [-]
Mostly because I still can't see it.
User avatar #71 to #68 - Bad Man (08/06/2013) [-]
Protip: next time you try to use something in an argument, make sure you know its context. This is describing one of many times when God condoned the razing of Jerusalem for all the **** they pull, namely adopting false gods, adultery, child sacrifices, etc.
User avatar #73 to #71 - feelythefeel (08/06/2013) [-]
As I said below, I think God telling his followers to rape people is condoning of rape regardless of context.
User avatar #94 to #73 - Bad Man (08/06/2013) [-]
He didn't tell his followers to rape anyone, he was outlining a law to punish rapists and to allow women to be provided for, otherwise they would've faced an even harder life in the face of society.
User avatar #95 to #94 - feelythefeel (08/06/2013) [-]
I don't see that.
User avatar #105 to #95 - Bad Man (08/06/2013) [-]
-_- You don't see a lot of things...
User avatar #58 to #55 - timmywankenobi (08/06/2013) [-]
That only applies to jeruslam plus that already happened several thousand years ago mate.
User avatar #61 to #58 - feelythefeel (08/06/2013) [-]
If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.
-Deuteronomy 22:28-29

Also, I think God telling his followers to rape people is condoning of rape regardless of context.
User avatar #62 to #61 - timmywankenobi (08/06/2013) [-]
yep thats jewish law alright you can rape but then you have to take care of her for the rest of your life . plus that old testament besides the ten commandments that whole book is gay.
User avatar #63 to #62 - feelythefeel (08/06/2013) [-]
I don't understand what you're trying to say.
-Me 90:01-69
User avatar #65 to #63 - timmywankenobi (08/06/2013) [-]
I'm saying it says you can rape but then you have to take care of the woman for the rest of your life as a reminder and punishment. also the old testament says a lot of crazy **** mate.
User avatar #69 to #65 - feelythefeel (08/06/2013) [-]
I wouldn't consider getting married getting married a punishment, especially if I lived back in the biblical time and location.
User avatar #70 to #69 - timmywankenobi (08/06/2013) [-]
but wouldn't she nag you about how you raped her for like ever ?
User avatar #76 to #70 - feelythefeel (08/06/2013) [-]
It wouldn't matter nearly as much back then.
User avatar #83 to #76 - timmywankenobi (08/06/2013) [-]
fair enough .you know the old testament alo says you should kill or castrate all non jews/choosen people of god too. we don't followm that advice either.
User avatar #87 to #83 - feelythefeel (08/06/2013) [-]
Whether or not it's taken into consideration still doesn't change that it's supposedly "God's will".
User avatar #90 to #87 - timmywankenobi (08/06/2013) [-]
true enough.
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