Up until it became a web of lies. . Ill! David Licherstein at Follow Rape is "God' s will" but homosexuality is my tahm' ts" Talk about making shit up as yam gt Up until it became a web of lies Ill! David Licherstein at Follow Rape is "God' s will" but homosexuality my tahm' ts" Talk about making shit up as yam gt
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> hey anon, wanna give your opinion?
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#1 - flixoe
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So if you rape another individual of the same gender, is it god's will or your choice?
#92 to #1 - thetwoblackdoves
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Well I say rape is not god's will in most senses, Considering it all involved one person's choice to commit the act.
Um, not to get into much details. But I myself was raped (twice and yes I'm a male, go ahead and laugh), and I had to realize that god sometimes has no play in things, if he gave us all free will, that means a lot of it is completely out of his control. It means that pretty much god cannot intervene in a bad situation even if the person deserves it or not. Because most bad things happen on a snap decision. "Do I break in?", "Do I stab that guy", "Do I steal this", which goes along the lines of "Do I rape this person".
So I say god's will, for those who believe in god, is not that solid, it is mostly up to us who are here on earth, for the fact that we have the will to do whatever we wish. So I say it is choice, no matter what.
>End rant.
User avatar #269 to #1 - minsheme
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Well no because most people retarded enough to do that **** are traumatized and/or messed up by people who influenced them throughout their lives
User avatar #35 to #1 - heartlessrobot
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It's the showers in prison.
User avatar #112 to #1 - ohgodwaitimatheist
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My guess is that it would be some kind of agreement.
#239 to #1 - anon id: c0955bb7
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yes.
User avatar #266 to #1 - repugnantpug
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Your will.
#327 to #1 - anon id: 698c1c5f
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It must either be God's choice or your will?
#2 to #1 - anonilator [OP]
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Why not both ?
#132 to #1 - tacticalhog
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Good point,and here,take this.
Good point,and here,take this.
User avatar #217 to #1 - hypnoso
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It's OP's fate
User avatar #106 to #1 - wrocky
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god's choice
#134 to #1 - clydeninetyseven
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both. you are god.
#22 to #1 - grandtheftkoala **User deleted account**
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#3 - schnizel
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Being gay is a choice, but I do not think the gays deserve to be mistreated nor praised.
Rape happens for a reason, yes, that is true. Because that power hungry no luck with women idiot wants sex but does not deserve it. And you can't cry rape when you cheated on your bf in a party. That is not rape, it's irresponsibility.
#97 to #3 - alexrider
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Being Gay is a choice, yet it's not as simple as yes or no. It's like an addiction that you can't drop. If I had a brother that was an alcoholic, I would still love him but I wouldn't like the decisions he made, same thing with homosexuality

Pic unrelated.
User avatar #109 to #97 - rieskimo
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No, that's just about equally offensive as saying sexual preference is a choice.

Being gay isn't bad, there's nothing wrong with two adults finding love with another. Race, gender, religion...none of that matters with love. It will find you, and as long as you embrace it that's great.

There's nothing wrong with being gay, being gay or straight is the same as being male or female. It was something that was foisted on us, you didn't choose to be straight and I didn't choose to be a boy. Being gay is not being addicted to dick, that's asinine and belittles those who are gay because it implies they don't have the ability to love. It implies they are obsessed with dick, not that they can only feel romanitc love in the arms of somebody of the same sex. No, your view is perverse not people who are gay.
User avatar #43 to #3 - ugottanked
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....it aint a choice
User avatar #128 to #3 - mostlyshits
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you dun ****** up noaw.gif
#264 to #3 - dangertits
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#324 to #3 - marcinthedarc **User deleted account**
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You are a ******* stupid cunt.
You are a ******* stupid cunt.
User avatar #330 to #3 - skeel
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnd here we have a typical example of a retard.
User avatar #407 to #330 - schnizel
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Thanks
#38 to #3 - anon id: 3b41c0e5
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So, all the time when i was gay, and wanted to be straight, i just had to chose to be it?
#53 to #3 - anon id: 52972e97
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So being gay is a choice eh? Okay.

Take your most disliked food. The food that makes you sick just by thinking of it. Okay, got one?

Okay, now make that exact same dish into your favorite food all of a sudden. The type of food someone could wake you up for in the middle of the night.

That's right, you can't. It's a built in preference. You're born with a taste. Both in food, and in sexual attraction and everything else. Can you control what you like? No. You either like something or you don't.
#207 to #3 - seymourtets
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#268 to #3 - dickeating
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Do me a favour. Right now, I want you to choose to like men. Choose to be attracted to men. If other people can, why can't you?
Get back to me on that one.
User avatar #277 to #268 - schnizel
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I chose not to.
#281 to #277 - dickeating
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Prove to everyone here that it is a choice.
#283 to #281 - schnizel
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I chose not to.
I chose not to.
#241 to #3 - jackii
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found the repressed homosexual
User avatar #75 to #3 - nogphille
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if your penis gets hard thinking of/looking at someone of the same gender, you're homosexual.

if your penis gets hard from both males and females, you're bisexual.

if your penis gets hard thinking of other people of the same gender, yet you never act on it and marry someone of the opposite sex, then it's your choice to be a closet homosexual.


i can't believe people think it's a choice.
User avatar #150 to #75 - srapture
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You missed one out. If your penis gets hard from both males and females, but you want to appear like you're a better person than bisexuals because you are somehow sexually attracted to personality rather than physical appearance despite the fact sexual attraction doesn't work like that, you're pansexual.
User avatar #234 to #150 - nogphille
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i've missed waaaaaaaay more than one.. i've chosen to take the most common (imho) examples...

i could've gone on about necrophilia, beastiality, pedophilia,...
(illegality aside, i doubt these are choices too..)

orrrr.. transgenders, hermaphrodites,...
(something you're definitely born with)
#4 to #3 - imus
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If being gay really is a choice, try to choose to be gay for a day. I dare you 'cause I sure as moat can't.
User avatar #6 to #4 - schnizel
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Ok.
All I do is sit in front of my PC all the time and make ****** stuff.
User avatar #30 to #3 - xdeathspawnx
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If being gay was a choice, why would anyone choose to be gay with all of the discrimination and hatred against them?
User avatar #33 to #30 - heartlessrobot
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Because, getting pounded in the ass feels good.
I still don't think it's a choice.
User avatar #100 to #33 - zorororonoa
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Strapons
User avatar #101 to #100 - heartlessrobot
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I know those exist, but it lacks the throbbing sensation followed by a hot, sticky, squirt filling you up.
#8 to #3 - teranin
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schnizel, your theory flies in the face of all scentific research done on the subject, and in the face of logic. When did you decide you were straight? I certainly don't remember there being a decision involved, just sort of turned out I was attracted to women.
#11 to #8 - anon id: 8439a600
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*tips fedora*
#13 to #11 - teranin
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I don't wear fedoras, they look ******* retarded. I prefer giant sombreros.
#34 to #13 - heartlessrobot
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It's Jester hats for me.
User avatar #9 to #8 - schnizel
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I like men, like bros, is that gay. Even if I was gay, I would fight it. I see no future in being gay.
User avatar #10 to #9 - teranin
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that part is a choice, whether or not to struggle against your own sexual preferences. But the sexual preferences themselves aren't a choice. However, it's a pretty **** choice to have to make, don't you think?
User avatar #14 to #10 - schnizel
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Oh it is a choice, you think gay babies come out of the vagina all fabulus. Sexual preferences is a choice just like a sexual position. Well to know that I will damage my race by being gay, I would not be gay. Well, I'm not saying that gay people are criminals or degenerates but even spartans were gay(but for a reason (morale)). But they must have a waifu and a son to carry on his name.
User avatar #15 to #14 - teranin
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negative, sexual preferences are not a choice. Otherwise I would not have chosen certain preferences that I have, which other people having knowledge of would destroy my reputation. I would simply choose to not have interest in them. The actual desire is not a choice, acting on it is however.
#16 to #15 - schnizel
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I use a lot of wells.
Many men and women have a desire to rape or to get raped, but that does not make it okay, mkay? I have many desires, and my brain is pervert. But you don't see me walking down the road and rapeing people.
Nor do I **** men because I like it. Choices are made by the mind, a strong mind will not give in to something that will damage it and the people around him. I can decite to be gay, but I won't. For the a single reason cuz I love my waifu (she is real, 100%) and the act of having sexy time with a man disgoust me. It may be a desire, boy do I have many, but the mind must decide what is good for you and what is not. Do not give in, do not retreat, do not surrender, we are the fury of the Emperor, we are doom, we are steel, we are SPES MAREHN!

User avatar #17 to #16 - teranin
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again, no, wanting gay sex is not a choice, having gay sex is. I have never felt any attraction of any kind to another male, not due to the obvious social and biological reasons but simply because my brain does not find such things to be sexually stimulating. The desire itself is involuntary, not a choice. The action is a choice.
User avatar #18 to #17 - schnizel
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Oh you did. Don't lie to me. I don't like when people lie to me.
#19 to #18 - teranin
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Wow... I'm really sorry Schnizel, but I'm not lying to you.  Did you really think that every man actually is capable of finding other men attractive?  Wow I hate to be that wake-up call.  You're a good guy and I enjoy a lot of your posts, so I didn't want to be the one to let you know that no, most men are completely incapable of finding other men attractive.
Wow... I'm really sorry Schnizel, but I'm not lying to you. Did you really think that every man actually is capable of finding other men attractive? Wow I hate to be that wake-up call. You're a good guy and I enjoy a lot of your posts, so I didn't want to be the one to let you know that no, most men are completely incapable of finding other men attractive.
#119 to #19 - anon id: c21490f1
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What you claim is not fact, nor scientifically proven.
#20 to #19 - schnizel
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Luv you too.
Deep inside your head, it is, lying there, a sexy mexican man waiting for sexy time.
User avatar #54 to #20 - mistlarousse
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You're an idiot
User avatar #246 to #54 - schnizel
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I'm like the villan of FJ.
#145 to #20 - kanbabrif
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#410 to #18 - jackii
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i came back jus to thumb you down some more <3
User avatar #412 to #410 - schnizel
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And then again, I don't give a ****. When people chose to be stupid(liberal), that is their thing.
#413 to #412 - jackii
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>doesn't care
>replies twice
User avatar #414 to #413 - schnizel
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Changed my mind.
#415 to #414 - jackii
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>doesn't care
>changes mind

also
thumbing you down doesn't make me "liberal"
you're so stereotypically American it's funny
User avatar #416 to #415 - schnizel
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Cool. You are way of.
#417 to #416 - jackii
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**off

Stupid 'merican
User avatar #418 to #417 - schnizel
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I do what I wan. I'm a free African American womyn and I need no grammer.
User avatar #411 to #410 - schnizel
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Ok. Why?
#310 to #14 - noschool
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i think the human race would be better off if you were gay because then we'd have less people like you running around spreading ignorant nonsense.
#23 to #3 - inxtcy
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WTF? A choice? Oh, ya, I'm sure homosexuals CHOOSE to have bigoted assholes hate them. Jesus.....what a stupid thing to say.....choice. I suppose I "choose" to be attracted to men with dark hair as opposed to blonds?
User avatar #235 to #23 - dermustang
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Found the gay vegan
#371 to #235 - inxtcy
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You're a moron. Straight female, non-bigot who LOVES a bloody steak for dinner here. Thank you very much.
User avatar #403 to #371 - toosexyforyou
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You're pretty retarded.
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#373 to #224 - inxtcy
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lol...Sorry!
#190 to #23 - anon id: 2370da08
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It is. what kind of logic is a world where you cant choose who you are? grow up.
#89 to #23 - anon id: c21490f1
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It is a choice to go out of your way to **** men, stupid.
Sure, a dick in your ass is gonna feel really good, but you can supress those feelings, just as you can any other sexual urges.
It's a psychological thing to be gay, so in a way it is a choice. However if you are raised under the circumstances that you become gay then it is not your fault.
User avatar #147 to #89 - stanleys
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You pretty much just admitted that your gay bay saying a dick in your ass is gonna feel good
#40 to #23 - anon id: ac586c48
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who the **** cares if it's a choice or not?
User avatar #252 to #23 - dmagen
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and even if they do choose to be homosexuals what's wrong with that?
User avatar #96 to #23 - toosexyforyou
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Kids write on walls for attention. The people giving them attention are upset with them because they wrote on the walls but the kids still just wanted that attention, they didn't care that it was negative. And just like that, your "oh it'd be stupid that people choose to have others hate them" argument is invalid.
User avatar #25 to #23 - schnizel
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Please tell me you are SRS.
User avatar #24 to #23 - schnizel
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Why do you chose to be such a big faggot?
Damn you shure got me with that amaizing argument and the thumb down.
User avatar #37 to #24 - vicsix
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Go out and **** a man and enjoy it fully you ass hole.
User avatar #247 to #37 - schnizel
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No thanks. I chose not to.
User avatar #184 to #24 - ThePhysGun
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You sir, are being a faggot. An ignorant faggot. Congratulations.
User avatar #66 - myrtille
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I kinda see being gay as liking ketchup or mustard.
You didn't know you didn't like mustard or ketchup until you are taken to micky d's one day and find it on your burger. then you go, "you know what, i like ketchup more than mustard. from now on, i will only use ketchup."
some people like ketchup and mustard.
it's not a conscious decision, it's just something you like more than something else. sure, you can force yourself to eat mustard even if you don't like it, especially if it pleases your family/friends, but you won't really enjoy the meal.


just ******* let people enjoy what condiments they want inside their burger. you don't have to eat their burger. stfu.
#72 to #66 - shenanigansjuice
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Perfect way to describe it
Perfect way to describe it
#74 to #72 - myrtille
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thanks.   
can you imagine if their were entire religions who hated people because they liked mustard?
thanks.
can you imagine if their were entire religions who hated people because they liked mustard?
#77 to #74 - shenanigansjuice
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Sometimes I feel like that's what war boils down to
Sometimes I feel like that's what war boils down to
User avatar #78 to #77 - myrtille
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and then people were like
"LIKING MUSTARD IS GENETIC"
"ANIMALS ALSO LIKE MUSTARD"
"GOD LOVES MUSTARD"
to try and defend it
there is just no reason to even fight with people who hate gays. they'll hate gays no matter what reason or logic you throw at them. i just find the whole thing silly.
User avatar #323 to #78 - indonesia
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you are my hero, man
User avatar #79 to #78 - shenanigansjuice
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I agree. Who was it who said that there will always be proof when it comes to science, but not religion?
User avatar #81 to #79 - myrtille
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i don't know
i just think to get rid of the problem, when people go "you're going to hell for being gay" don't say anything but "okay" and walk away
don't fuel their fire. that's how these people get off. attention only helps their cause.
User avatar #82 to #81 - shenanigansjuice
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Never thought of it that way. But I'd still like to smack them for it sometimes
User avatar #85 to #82 - myrtille
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you know the wbc? they've said multiple times that they WANT people to be angry. they want people to punch them, yell at them, embarrass them. they want you to stoop down and show that you are no better than them. while acting high and mighty, essentially, you are doing the same thing they are doing.
they might have twisted logic, but in that sense, they are right. they constantly bring people to their level and it gets media attention.
"look at this guy who was a dick to other dicks! praise him!"
even if you're a dick to a dick, you're still a dick. don't go there. just walk away, and what do they have? they stand there alone with their "god hates fags signs" with no one to listen. they've gained so many members through the media outcry. it's helping them more than hurting.
that's how all of these people work.
User avatar #86 to #85 - shenanigansjuice
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Agreed. They've really made asses of themselves
#125 to #66 - averagewhitekid
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That awkward moment when I am bisexual and I hate ketchup and mustard
That awkward moment when I am bisexual and I hate ketchup and mustard
#169 to #125 - sharkmonkey
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i'll be your friend, still
i'll be your friend, still
#177 to #66 - lookathecomment
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So liking mayo is like being asexual?
User avatar #365 to #177 - myrtille
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being asexual is not enjoying eating ketchup or mustard, but loving them in a nonfood way.
#213 to #66 - guitarnigger
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dude.. you're a genius, i had never seen it that way before
dude.. you're a genius, i had never seen it that way before
#337 to #66 - anon id: 1c60704b
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I hate mustard. So am I gay or what?
User avatar #364 to #337 - myrtille
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no, the mustard is being gay
liking ketchup is being straight
so you're straight
User avatar #178 to #66 - zatchattack
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I never look at a burger the same way.
#99 - zorororonoa
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I am somewhat of a Christian, well I believe in God, but I also accept the possibility that there is no God or there are multiple gods. So I guess I'm somewhat of an Agnostic Christian. Honestly, I don't have an issue with gays, and I don't think God does either. Why would he? I don't think it is a choice, and even if it was, why would God still care? He created us with free will anyhow, and I don't think he would punish people who are using their free will that he gave them if they were using it in a harmless manner. I like living by this quote. I honestly don't think God would care if you ********** another man as long as you have good morals.
#102 to #99 - arkfire
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But Christianity isn't about morals, so I don't get your logic.
User avatar #104 to #99 - thedarkangel
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I agree
User avatar #332 to #99 - indonesia
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i find this confusing, but it seems right. i've been asking this question to priest, and none can answer.
even if god even exist, why do they create us if in the end he knew the answer?
for example, god create people and his destiny has been decided. then, why He still to create us? why He still create people who won't and didn't worship him? why He still create people born to be a serial killer?

sorry if this stupid question, or idiotic grammar, but i need the answer
#143 to #99 - BroadSword
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Agnostic christian, wut.   
   
Agnostic : a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable   
   
Christian: Someone who believes in god  and belonging to the religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ   
   
You cant be both buddy
Agnostic christian, wut.

Agnostic : a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable

Christian: Someone who believes in god and belonging to the religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ

You cant be both buddy
User avatar #148 to #143 - zorororonoa
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What I mean is that I believe in God, but I also know that there might not be a God. I guess Christian isn't the right word for it.
#253 to #148 - tonysweet
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to avoid confusion, like that, I tell everyone I'm an open minded christian.
User avatar #278 to #99 - thegiantmidget
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A christian who believes in God, but accepts the possibility that there might not be a God is not an agnostic Christian just a ******* sensible one. all factual statements must have the possibility of being proven wrong, Atheism can be proven wrong if there is a God and an afterlife, Christianity is proven wrong if there isn't a God and an afterlife. it's simply that neither can be proven wrong in our lifetimes.
User avatar #380 to #278 - zorororonoa
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Exactly. Everyone who thinks that god is absolute truth and heaven exists no matter what are idiots in my mind. The way I see it, I haven't died, neither have you, so we won't really have any way to know until we do, and by then it is too late to tell friends or family. I don't think anyone who is alive will ever be able to know the truth.
#216 to #99 - deltared
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I like the way you think.
I like the way you think.
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Food for thought here.   
   
God is all knowing. Everything happens because he makes it so. It is all his plan   
   
A little girl grows up with very religious parents. Their faith is never ending and neither is the girl's. They are very happy and full of joy. during the little girls 6th birthday, I come into their home. I stab the father in the stomach and leave him motionless as I slash his wife's throat and he watches. I take it upon myself to violently rape the little girl before beating her to death. Did god make me do it because it was his plan? don't tell me it's free will. God is all knowing. why didn't he make them die peacefully before I got to them? why didn't he make a miracle happen that saved them all. maybe make it so I some how trip and fall on my own blade before I have a chance to attack the father. hell, make me lose the breaks on my car and die or become paralyzed by the accident. Notice that in any unfortunate event, if ANYTHING positive happens, it is a miracle from god. 175 people died a train wreck. There was one survivor. It was a miracle from god that he survived so **** all the other people that died violently in the wreck. It wasn't a miracle guys. It was probability at work and he or she was the lucky **** of the group.
Food for thought here.

God is all knowing. Everything happens because he makes it so. It is all his plan

A little girl grows up with very religious parents. Their faith is never ending and neither is the girl's. They are very happy and full of joy. during the little girls 6th birthday, I come into their home. I stab the father in the stomach and leave him motionless as I slash his wife's throat and he watches. I take it upon myself to violently rape the little girl before beating her to death. Did god make me do it because it was his plan? don't tell me it's free will. God is all knowing. why didn't he make them die peacefully before I got to them? why didn't he make a miracle happen that saved them all. maybe make it so I some how trip and fall on my own blade before I have a chance to attack the father. hell, make me lose the breaks on my car and die or become paralyzed by the accident. Notice that in any unfortunate event, if ANYTHING positive happens, it is a miracle from god. 175 people died a train wreck. There was one survivor. It was a miracle from god that he survived so **** all the other people that died violently in the wreck. It wasn't a miracle guys. It was probability at work and he or she was the lucky **** of the group.
#174 to #170 - darthblam
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Thank you sir.. or.. at least thank you for the point..
I didn't need the mental image of that story but.. yeah..
#180 to #174 - chaosheartless
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I felt the need to specify my point that if god exists just  like people describe him to be, then he is one sick twisted ****.
I felt the need to specify my point that if god exists just like people describe him to be, then he is one sick twisted ****.
#182 to #170 - sircool
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1. you'd just be a horrific dick if you just suddenly killed a family to disprove god, and even stoop as low as the fanatics you so righteously judge.   
2. A few moments of pain and suffering compared to infinite peace and happiness doesn't seem like much.   
3. it is a miracle the one dude survives, but a travesty it happened. You're dismissing something, and not looking at each section.   
4. God allows your own **** ups. some one killed before their time gets easy judgement or some ****. If free will isn't a thing, the dude has it all planned out and the family is kicking back on white sandy bitches in a pleasant sun rise.   
5. If you're going to try to make a point of something, don't say IN THE QUESTION that you already dismiss optional proof of any other conclusion. it makes you seem like an ass.
1. you'd just be a horrific dick if you just suddenly killed a family to disprove god, and even stoop as low as the fanatics you so righteously judge.
2. A few moments of pain and suffering compared to infinite peace and happiness doesn't seem like much.
3. it is a miracle the one dude survives, but a travesty it happened. You're dismissing something, and not looking at each section.
4. God allows your own **** ups. some one killed before their time gets easy judgement or some ****. If free will isn't a thing, the dude has it all planned out and the family is kicking back on white sandy bitches in a pleasant sun rise.
5. If you're going to try to make a point of something, don't say IN THE QUESTION that you already dismiss optional proof of any other conclusion. it makes you seem like an ass.
#201 to #182 - chaosheartless
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Well, I didn't kill them simply because of their religious view. I'm placing myself in the body of a murderer. The murderer likely doesn't even care who he kills. he just wants some victims. it's his sick twisted mental orgy of pleasure.   
   
Regardless of how long it takes and the the peace that comes with it, God gave us time on this planet as a gift. Should he not be trying to make sure that people that are so faithful to him enjoy that gift for as long as possible?   
   
I am personally agnostic. I am not ready to dismiss the possibility that god exists or that there might be multiple gods. I just feel that what the bible describes him or her to be like just doesn't seem to match at all.   
   
I dismissed &quot;Free will&quot; because that would imply that god does not already know what I am going to do, regardless of my free will. which would then disprove that he is all knowing.
Well, I didn't kill them simply because of their religious view. I'm placing myself in the body of a murderer. The murderer likely doesn't even care who he kills. he just wants some victims. it's his sick twisted mental orgy of pleasure.

Regardless of how long it takes and the the peace that comes with it, God gave us time on this planet as a gift. Should he not be trying to make sure that people that are so faithful to him enjoy that gift for as long as possible?

I am personally agnostic. I am not ready to dismiss the possibility that god exists or that there might be multiple gods. I just feel that what the bible describes him or her to be like just doesn't seem to match at all.

I dismissed "Free will" because that would imply that god does not already know what I am going to do, regardless of my free will. which would then disprove that he is all knowing.
User avatar #208 to #201 - sircool
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word it differently then

god gave the time here to mature, to find our own satisfaction, what'd make us happy, and to become civil.

good for you

there's a difference between knowing and acting, you know this right?
User avatar #215 to #208 - chaosheartless
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Why do I have to word it differently? I never said I killed them because of their religion. I never stated a reason at all. It was simply implied.

the little girl had absolutely no time to grow and mature.

Well, God is all knowing and able to do anything. So why not stop me?
#282 to #170 - foxwhiskers
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The God's plan thing is a load of ****, remember the story of Adam and Eve.

God: So you guys don't eat the fruit.
Adam and Eve: Okay, God we won't eat the fruit
(Now God being the all knowing asshole he is knew they were going to eat the fruit as it was part of his plan)
*Adam and Eve eat fruit*
God: You guys now have to live a **** life for something that was part of my plan.

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God knows everything, but He's not bound by time, meaning He knows past, present, and future. It wasn't in His plan, He simply couldn't stop it. We don't suffer for it, at least the Bible gives no indication of that.
#286 to #285 - foxwhiskers
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Don't even bother telling me we don't suffer for it, I was born with a disorder in where my bones are constantly aching and people keep bullying me for it they call me things like "spastic hands" (I can't write because of my disorder) and bend my bones to points were my skin rips, I definitely suffer. If Adam and Eve had stayed in that garden I wouldn't have to deal with this **** and we do suffer for it, have you actually read that bloody book? Also if he exists then he is supposed to be all powerful, he could stop my pain but he does nothing. Now I would like to say I am a good human being, I try to bring a smile to the people around me and I go out of my way to help people were I can, but if an all powerful being can't even help me then he either doesn't exist or isn't worth my acknowledgement of a God because that being exists it is not a God, it's an asshole.
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1. I am very sorry that you are in that much pain.
2. If Adam and Eve had stayed in the garden, you wouldn't have that pain because you wouldn't exist. They couldn't have children while in the garden.
3. No one has a perfect body while on Earth. Even Christ's body, while He was here, was subject to aging, pain, and death. Christ overcame death and sin so that when the rest of us die, we can gain a perfect body. You might not see it yet, but Christ sacrificed His life for yours 2000 years before you were born. You can have a body free from pain because of Him, but it may have to wait until after this life.
User avatar #287 to #286 - teoberry
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Pssh. That's called genetics. Evolution and whatnot. God didn't punish you specifically. Ezekiel 18 and 23 make this quite clear.
#290 to #287 - foxwhiskers
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When Adam and Eve were in the garden they were immortal, God kicks them out and then makes it possible for them to die and feel pain. Die and pain = suffer. Also, I didn't say that he singled me out but according to many Christians he has the power to help me but he doesn't and before you go down the whole I need to keep my faith ********, my Granddad has the bone disorder too, he was a devote believer in God all his life, he died screaming two years ago when the pain from his bones got too much for him.
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He kicked them out because they disobeyed Him. They knew not to. God can help you, but we're at the level where scientists can figure this **** out. We have multiple ways to stop pain. God doesn't help us because He doesn't have to.
#293 to #291 - foxwhiskers
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>Everything is part of his plan
>It is part of his plan that they disobeyed him

Also if he can help me why doesn't he? Because I do need help. Scientists found a way to stop my pain but it leads to liver, heart and kidneys failure after 5 years of the drug. Also, that still makes God an asshole what you're saying is that because most of the human species is fine God isn't helping me right? Then as humans we shouldn't be helping people in Africa because we can help them but some of them are fine so they will probably sort things out by themselves, you're logic is cruel. If you have the power to help someone you should, if you don't you're an asshole.
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>everything is a part of his plan
No. His Plan would lead to us all going to heaven. As you can see, that's not happening. Would you rather be babyed? Not advance as a species? It is a necessary 'evil'.
#297 to #294 - foxwhiskers
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I would rather not have to live in constant pain. I am fine for suffering for things I have done but I don't deserve to live in constant pain and know that I am going to end up like my Grandfarther and that if I have children they will have to deal with the same ****. It's not fair that I have to live this way. Do you think I deserve what I have? I wouldn't mind if I accidentally got bit by a snake that caused this to happen to me because then that would be partly my fault but being born with it is unfair.
User avatar #298 to #297 - teoberry
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You don't deserve it, but God didn't put it on you.
#299 to #298 - foxwhiskers
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God has the ability to heal me doesn't he?
User avatar #300 to #299 - teoberry
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Comment 294.
#302 to #300 - foxwhiskers
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God has healed others, though right? Okay maybe I do want to be ******* babyed then because this pain is ******* horrible and the people around me show me no comfort, I don't want to advance as a species if I have to live through this ****.
User avatar #304 to #302 - teoberry
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In some cases, yes. Why you haven't been (yet) is up to God. I'm sorry, but I'd rather advance as a species than have you have a comfortable life
#331 to #304 - foxwhiskers
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You didn't answer my question, why do we praise God? Also, look up the proof yourself you've got internet. Also, what if God has been doing that all a long? I may be throwing ideas together but God is supposed to be all powerful so he should be able to do anything, so it is logical.
User avatar #333 to #331 - teoberry
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We praise God because He made us and this is our thanks. You made the claim, it's up to you to back it up
#335 to #333 - foxwhiskers
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Just google it. Anyway, I don't think it deserves to be thanked as he killed thousands, so either way he isn't worth being acknowledged.
User avatar #336 to #335 - teoberry
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No. You made the claim, you have to back it up. If we present evidence from two different sources, it gets muddled. Back up your claim, or drop it. He made us, and He's gotten rid of the worst of us. The thousands comes from Sodom and Gomorrah. There was not a single good person there. Rape, murder, theft, and all that, except at crazy levels
#361 to #336 - foxwhiskers
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Prove that they weren't?
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>burden of proof

#359 to #336 - foxwhiskers
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Prove that God is real then?
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Red herring, you're trying to introduce a new topic into this. So, let's get back on track. Prove that they were all high.
#357 to #336 - foxwhiskers
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You're making claims you prove them to.
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No, you're claiming they were high. That's like me saying 'Prove God isn't real'.
#355 to #336 - foxwhiskers
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Prove that they weren't? Prove that the bible isn't a story book? They wrote about unicorns in it so you know sounds like they are high.
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>burden of proof
>burden of proof

You're making the claims, go ahead and prove them
#353 to #336 - foxwhiskers
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You don't know the people so you can't say that I am lying, I could be correct.
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Prove it. Prove that Josephus, Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, the writers of the Talmud were high when they wrote it.
#351 to #336 - foxwhiskers
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Everyone back then smoked weed and **** so we have no idea if it was the truth or not, I want modern historians.
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No, they didn't. These are early historians who backed it all up. You're resorting to blatant lies because you can't come up with a rebuttal.
#349 to #336 - foxwhiskers
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They are not historians, I want primary evidence for proof too.
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U ****** serious? Josephus and Tacitus are renowned historians.
Josephus - Antiquities of the Jews, Books 18 and 20
Tacitus - Annals, book 15, chapter 44
Pliny - letters to Emperor Trajan, (www9.georgetown.edu/faculty/jod/texts/pliny.html)
Talmud - b Sanh 43a-b,Hul 2:22f; AZ 2:22/12; y Shab 124:4/13; QohR 1:8; b AZ 27b, many more versees
#347 to #336 - foxwhiskers
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Now, find me these said historians.
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Josephus, Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, stuff in the Babylonian Talmud.
#345 to #336 - foxwhiskers
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The bible didn't site a ******* source.
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It's a first/2nd hand history book. The source is the authors. Parts have been backed up by other historians.
#342 to #336 - foxwhiskers
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I just did back my point with an example of catholic Christians murdering scientists Also here www.jesusneverexisted.com/1000years.htm
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You didn't cite a source. That website doesn't either.
#338 to #336 - foxwhiskers
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Because you would know, right? They're is no way everyone could have been evil. Also I can't find the article. But it was about how catholic Christians have killed scientists over the years because they stray from the path of God with their ideology, such as that guy that came up with the theory that the Earth rotated around the sun, a lot of good men that could of probably advanced us to a point where I would be cured have died because of people that praise God.
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Well, the major source for S&G is the bible. In one of the verses. Abraham asks God to spare the entire city if there's 5 righteous people. There's weren't (IIRC there were 2 that God told to leave). And if you can't back your points, then don't say that.
#325 to #304 - foxwhiskers
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Why do we need to praise God then? Also, whats so good about human advancement?
I'd rather have my fellow man live a live without pain that isn't his fault. Also he doesn't have to make it obvious that he did it does he, that way we won't ask him for a **** ton of other things that we don't need? He can just give a scientist somewhere the idea to cure all unfair suffering if he really is all powerful. Also religions have slowed down human advancement by about 200 years so if we stop praise God we can advance further like you want, right?
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Oh boy. You're throwing **** together and trying to piece it into a plan. The scientist has to think of this stuff on His own. Doing that defeats our purpose. Give me some proof with the human advancement, the burden is on you.
#305 to #304 - foxwhiskers
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So you'd rather allow suffering to be in this world, so humans can advance? Why the hell can we not have both? Why can't God get rid of all suffering that isn't peoples fault?
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Ya. The thing is, we don't need His help like we did 2000 years ago. If He cures all pain, then people will want to all be fit, then all pretty, then all smart, and so on and so forth.
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But isn't that like saying that if we give all of Africa clean water, they'll just want an education after that and then they will just want better houses and so forth and so on. Also I am not talking about getting rid of suffering, I am talking about getting of unfair suffering, like he could stop babies being born with deformities, he could stop people being born without limbs etc etc, that doesn't stop us advancing as a species and those people do need help by some sort of divine being.
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No it isn't. Think of it like this. He's given us the clean water and the food. It's up to us to do the rest. Mutations are a necessary part of evolution, they have to be there
#321 to #313 - foxwhiskers
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But I am stopping humanity's advancement which is what you strive for. Also though by your logic isn't the church pointless as we don't need God anymore? We may as well put our resources to something more useful like saving lives?
User avatar #322 to #321 - teoberry
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No, you're not, you being healed would. We still need to worship and praise God
#318 to #313 - foxwhiskers
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I don't think it's necessary I am going by your logic. Also these miracles are when others have been healed by God like you said happened earlier.
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My logic is that if He heals everyone we'll just depend on Him and not do **** for ourself. I never said or implied that you should do that. The miracles are one in a million things.
#314 to #313 - foxwhiskers
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Then I should just kill myself as I am holding the human species back, being the way that I am? Also why does God make miracles now if we are all self sufficient?
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If you feel it necessary. Also, show me some of the miraclse
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You're so stupid. Honestly. God's plan isn't what happens. It's the path He wants us to go on, it's His plan for us. Plans don't always go through. By doing that, you're going against your plan. He couldn't of killed you because that means He'd have to kill anyone who was going to do anything bad, meaning he'd basically wipe out the species.
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So wait, God is all knowing and all powerful. Your stating "Plans don't always go through" makes it seem like he does, in fact, have his limits. That would mean he is not all powerful and all knowing. if he was, he would know how to word it so that everyone listened. He most certainly could kill me. killing anyone for sin would be a dick move, seeing as he gave us sin. Why wouldn't he kill me (or someone else) who is about to take the gift of life from someone else? "I'm going to respect your free will to take away all those victims free will." Well, That doesn't sound very good. The bible specifies that god is good. Why? we have common sense. you wouldn't have to tell a kid what a hero is for him to know that they are good. simply based on their actions. God made things happen that were questionable enough that they had to splatter the word of him being good all over the place so you wouldn't question it.

You also chose the wrong approach at the beginning. Why call me "stupid"? why not simply call me "Misguided" or "Naive".
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>plans don't always go through
Because of free will. He could very well force us to do whatever He wants, but He chooses to give us free will.
>gave us sin
He gave us a choice. We chose wrong. We gave ourselves sin
>free will
We have free will. The murderer will eventually pay for his actions
>God is good
I'm doubting what you're saying. He's done some questionable things, yes. That's not why it's all over the bible. It's all over the Bible because God is, in fact, good.
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>free will
He is all powerful and all knowing. He would have no need to force us to do anything. he would already know how to say it so that we would follow.
>gave us sin
I feel it was an illusion of choice. If he already knows past, preset, and future. he would know that Adam and ever would eat the apple. So why not word it in a way that he knew they would follow? if they had followed and not eaten the apple, they would have had ever lasting life and so would their children and their children's children. we would suffer from over population. god told Adam and Eve to not eat the apple with the plan that they would, then he punished us for it. Mostly women with labor pains and what not.
>doubt
What part do you doubt exactly?
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>free will
He can say whatever He likes, but at the end of the day, we still have the choice. There's a gray area in 'saying it', as there's no way to make every human understand or accept it without violating free will.
>gave us sin
It's iffy there. He worded it the best He could. Adam and Eve knew exactly what would happen. They made the choice.
>doubt
the splattering thing
User avatar #376 to #374 - chaosheartless
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>Free will
Simply presenting himself would be enough. If god came down from heaven and he himself stated the facts, many less people would question it. It would not eliminate free will because now that we know the truth, we can make an honest choice.
>gave us sin
He would have worded it as best he could in our prospective. He is all knowing and we are all naive. He would know infinite other ways to word it for them to understand.
>doubt
It wasn't necessarily spattered but it was mentioned an unusual number of times.
User avatar #377 to #376 - teoberry
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>free will
Why would He do that? He's revealed Himself plenty of times
>gave us sin
'Eat the apple and you die' is the best wording for me
>doubt
Probably because it's true
User avatar #378 to #377 - chaosheartless
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>free will
Has he truly? the bible says he has but the bible was written by man. if he were to come down now. when there are cameras and video recordings, live feeds that would travel the whole world. there would be no doubt. he would only need to reveal himself one more time if he has at all.
>gave us sin
human preservation would then make us not eat the apple. now over population is the concern. He would not be lying technically. the result of them eating the apple would be them being granted the ability to die.
>doubt
but did it need to be written? if so, why so many times?
User avatar #381 to #378 - teoberry
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>free will
yeah, that's the whole point of the new testament. God revealing Himself
>gave us sin
ok, I'm not seeing your point
>doubt
there are many authors, and most of them had the same thing on their mind
User avatar #382 to #381 - chaosheartless
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>Free will
Well are we now talking about the rapture? I don't think it would be fair to reveal himself only on the time when hes gonna take away our time on earth.
>gave us sin
the plan was that we live forever. we would eventually run out of land if no one ever dies.
>doubt
But if the bible was written by god and is his word, why change it in the new testament? where did the new testament come from? who wrote it? why?
User avatar #393 to #382 - teoberry
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>doubt
I think it's stupid for women to suffer for the sins of their predecessors, but we can't fix that
#395 to #393 - chaosheartless
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I don't know. It might just be my personal thing, But I always feel bad when girls are on their periods and the thought of their child birth...I wish I could at least take some of the pain for myself.
I don't know. It might just be my personal thing, But I always feel bad when girls are on their periods and the thought of their child birth...I wish I could at least take some of the pain for myself.
User avatar #396 to #395 - teoberry
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Yeah, but at the end, you get a nice baby. Anyways, it's been good talking to ya
#397 to #396 - chaosheartless
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It was nice and educational for me as well. Thank you for the time. I cannot believe we had a religious conversation without once trying to kill each other with words. the internet got a little better today.
It was nice and educational for me as well. Thank you for the time. I cannot believe we had a religious conversation without once trying to kill each other with words. the internet got a little better today.
User avatar #383 to #382 - teoberry
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>free will
...... no. Jesus
>gave us sin
IIRC Eden was designed to sustain all of us, but we took that away
>doubt
what do you mean, change? nothing changed. matthew, mark, luke, john, paul, peter, james, jude, and letter to the hebrews is unknown
User avatar #384 to #383 - chaosheartless
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>free will
Who is the child of god but also god
>Why take it from animal life as well?
>doubt
The part that said that you should be killed if you work on a sunday, the part that said that a woman who loses her virginity before marriage should die, etc etc. those where taken away in the new testament if I recall correctly.
User avatar #385 to #384 - teoberry
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>free will
3 forms, 1 God
I don't understand what you're going for with the animal life
>doubt
new/old covenant.
User avatar #386 to #385 - chaosheartless
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>free will
so then why doesn't he show himself to everyone in a way that he will never fade (let us record his words, broadcast his existence to the world. He had no problem showing up while there was no way to mark his existence as fact.

Well, what was the real point of animals being in Eden? We didn't eat animals before.

>doubt
Ok. They changed. how can we change the word of god? who has the right?
User avatar #387 to #386 - teoberry
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>free will
There is the whole faith portion, but I'd say Jesus was more than enough. It's been recorded by outsiders (Josephus, Pliny, Tacitus), and just by common sense (the writers deaths), it's obvious they weren't making it up.
I still fail to see your point
>doubt
God changed the covenants after Jesus' death. The old rules applied to the tribes of Israel. When Jesus died for us, all the old was done away with
User avatar #388 to #387 - chaosheartless
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>free will
The faith portion is just a way for us to not feel like when we die, nothing will happen. I honestly can't imagine an atheist's view point on it. I've tried to picture that. It's terrifying.

Well, If everything said in the bible is true, then animals are there for the giggles. unless god knew Adam and eve would eat the apple and they would serve a purpose.

>doubt
How did he change them?
User avatar #389 to #388 - teoberry
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>free will
That's one of the reason I'm Christian. Even if I'm wrong, it's comforing
>animals
Wouldn't they eat them?
>doubt
Matthew 5:18. Once Jesus was resurrected, we were no longer judged by the old laws
User avatar #390 to #389 - chaosheartless
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>free will
Christianity is only one of the choices though. What made you pick that one in particular?
>Animals
I was lead to believe we would only eat plant life before the original sin
>Doubt
Then why are women still suffering from child birth and what not?
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>free will
Partly cultural, partly because there's nothing else good (Islam has been ****** to hell)
>animals
Never heard about that
>doubt
That isn't a part of it. Original sin still remains. The covenant is the old laws
User avatar #392 to #391 - chaosheartless
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>free will
I see. My family was strongly christian, One of my cousins is now a priest. I fell from it pretty quickly. I tried going back to church. attended one next to my house 4 or so times. then Stopped going again.
>Animals
I see. I might have just misheard or misunderstood.
>Do you think it's fair? for all women to suffer from that alone?
User avatar #171 to #170 - Sethorein
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What if my god was probability. ALL HAIL STATISTICS
#173 to #171 - chaosheartless
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Then you are not following a religion. You are following science.
Then you are not following a religion. You are following science.
User avatar #176 to #173 - Sethorein
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SCIENCE BE PRAISED AMEN
#183 to #173 - sircool
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what if god IS science?
what if god IS science?
#185 to #183 - chaosheartless
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There is a possibility. Let's say that when people say &quot;God is everywhere&quot; and science says that the big bang created everything that exists in this universe...then god would be the original mass that scattered in the big bang and that is why he is everywhere.   
When people say he is always watching but you can't see him. There are microscopic bacteria and living creatures that also originated from the big bang that are probably looking at you now as we speak.
There is a possibility. Let's say that when people say "God is everywhere" and science says that the big bang created everything that exists in this universe...then god would be the original mass that scattered in the big bang and that is why he is everywhere.
When people say he is always watching but you can't see him. There are microscopic bacteria and living creatures that also originated from the big bang that are probably looking at you now as we speak.
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Nah, that would be worshiping the great Daedric prince Hermaeus Mora, Lord of knowledge and fate.
Everyone knows science ain't real.
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its so ******* ridiculous. Why let one religion dictate how the entire country must live their lives? isnt that why our forefathers came to america? to escape that? I was raised catholic but the church is a religeon of what man wants, not god. If two dudes or two chicks are happy together, thats great for them, it doesnt effect me in any way so who gives a **** if they live their lives together. When we live in a society where kids would rather dies than be who they are, thats how you know ***** ****** up
User avatar #60 to #42 - sketchE
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the thing is it is what the people want as well. most of the country is or was raised christian so they have religious believes built into their own thought process
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I respect your position but would like to make a slight counter point if I may. The pilgrims that came over were escaping religious persecution, not religion all together. They practiced their faith in a different way than what the British government allowed at the time. If my memory serves me right, I believe they were an early version of Quakers or Amish and at the time the English church was catholic. The forefathers, or founding fathers, came around 100 years after that. They were wise enough to set up a country that was free from, and protected from despotism and tyranny of any form (at least in theory.) In reference to religion, it is my opinion that what you are referring to is actually the appearance of religious dominance in government. I think that is largely portrayed by the media, who tend to paint with broad brushes when it comes to a story. Go to a non-denominational church and you are more likely to find people that support religious freedom for all people. At least, that's how a church should be. I hear what you are saying though. I am a Christian, but I understand that not everyone in this country is. Everyone has the right to pursue what makes them happy and I fully support that.
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this is a marvelous point, thank you sir
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no worries, I have a few freinds that came out a few years back and the amount of **** that they have to go through just to be happy is ridiculous. Any time I went to a mass, we were always encouraged to love and tolerate everyone. What I didnt learn until I was older was that they meant love and tolerate everyone as long as they have the same belief as us. The church has always used fear and guilt to entrap people and it wasnt too long back that they executed you if you didnt live the lifestyle they wanted you to. I dont mean to bash anyone's beilefs but I beilieve that no matter your sexual orientation or you whatever god you beileve or dont beileve in, you have a shot itno heaven. It's human nature to question everything around us, so why would we be punished for doubting a creator? I know I'm rambling now but what if god, rather than wanting to be treated like a god, wanted to be treated as a father? Not worshipped, but respected. I think he just wants us to live ours lives how we see fit as long as we dont hurt anyone else in the process.
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those are some very wise words, and i do agree with you, that people should live how they want, not how others say they should. Like my grandmother said "if you aren't happy with the way something is, then change it so you are" and i have followed that saying for many years now and i have been pretty happy, even though there have been some tough times, but its all about what you make it. Not what others say, but rather you, as the person, has control over what goes on in your live to a great extent.
#48 to #46 - IamEllis
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truer words have never been said, friend
truer words have never been said, friend
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#59 to #46 - londonx
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inspirational
#172 to #45 - sharkmonkey
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words cannot describe your intelligence
words cannot describe your intelligence
#375 to #172 - IamEllis
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oh please, I can hardly tie my own shoes, haha. I'd say it's more wisdom than intelligence, but thank you though. take this gif
oh please, I can hardly tie my own shoes, haha. I'd say it's more wisdom than intelligence, but thank you though. take this gif
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I never understood this "it's a choice" thing.

to quote EpicLloyd, one of my favorite youtube artists, "who gives a **** if it's a choice, who gives a **** if it's not, it's not your business either way so you can step the **** off"

why is it so difficult to just let people do what they want provided it's not directly harmful to someone?

pic unrelated
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this random person said some crap and it goes with my agenda against christianity, therefore it is an valid argument.
#168 - Kraid
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Jesus ******* christ, rape is GOD'S WILL??? Sounds like a pretty ******* swell guy if you ask me!
User avatar #26 - smittywrbmnjnsn
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Id homosexuality isn't a choice... why do I choose not to bang dudes?
Checkmate athyusts.
#107 to #26 - swiftcashew
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You don't choose to not be attracted to guys. You're attracted to girls because that's just how you are. We don't get to choose what we're attracted to, or what turns us on. I can't wake up tomorrow morning and decide "You know what, I think I'm into robo-pony hentai porn now."
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I'm pretty sure that thing he just did, was a joke.

I don't think you could see because it just flew right over your head.
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Yes.