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#99 - grimgrey ONLINE (02/01/2013) [-]
Raping your wife.....
User avatar #98 - demideus (02/01/2013) [-]
...Yoda? What are you doing to that boy with your lightsaber?
#95 - TheInvader (02/01/2013) [-]
The Internet - In Civil War 24/7
#94 - brum (02/01/2013) [-]
Second time using this...
#92 - thegamewarden (02/01/2013) [-]
For those experiencing major butt-hurt please remember that this is simply satirizing the extremes of both religions. This is not categorizing all people of either faith but rather pointing out the errors of some of its believers or followers.
User avatar #89 - bluenebula (02/01/2013) [-]
I don't like religion. They categorize people way too much and send them to their own personal hell for liking or disliking something.

I also hate the people who do the same ******* thing to an entire religion. You hate all Catholics because a few hate gays? You hate all Muslims because a few like blowing themselves up? Than you're just as bad as those religious ******* who think all gays are raping little school boys in mini skirts. (Though that's become the churches thing recently). I like religion. I like science. I like people in general. I only hate the radicals of either group.
#88 - selfdenyingbeggar (02/01/2013) [-]
Was the bomb necessary?
#87 - anonymous (02/01/2013) [-]
Because clearly everyone in those religions are doing exactly what OP portrayed. Thank you for not being a total asshat
User avatar #86 - FluffyDestroyer (02/01/2013) [-]
On a side note.
Muhammad had several wives, none of which were that young.
One was even 30 years older then him which was strictly taboo at the time, so, there.
A nice cup of knowledge for ya.
User avatar #85 - bostpost (02/01/2013) [-] that a bomb on his head?
User avatar #84 - FluffyDestroyer (02/01/2013) [-]
As a Muslim, I can at least be happy that I get the girl...
#81 - thortin (02/01/2013) [-]
Comment Picture
#50 - blackandwhitegod (02/01/2013) [-]

Don't blame religion for your lack of historical or just knowledge in general
User avatar #104 to #50 - cullenatorguy (02/01/2013) [-]
-Honor Killings
-The Holocaust
-WWII in general
-I can't even begin to mention all the wars in the middle east
-World Trade Center bombings
-Acid attacks
-The Crusades
User avatar #105 to #104 - cullenatorguy (02/01/2013) [-]
-The Inquisition
-The massacre of the Armenian Christians by the Turks
-The genocide of Muslims, Roma, Serbian Orthodox and others by the Ustaša
-The genocide of the Roman Catholics in East Timor by the Muslim government of Indonesia
-The genocide of Christians and Animists by the Muslim government of Sudan
-Mass ****** of South American peoples by the Spanish when colonizing America (God, Gold, and Glory)
-Abortion clinic bombings
-The discrimination against blacks
-Colonization of Africa by European countries (same Idea as God, Gold, and Glory)
-Molestation of innocent children by the Catholic Church
-Spread of AIDS in Africa by Catholic Church (Church says no condoms, people get AIDS)
-Indoctrination of young children into a system
-Discrimination against homosexuals
-Acid attacks

Tell me how, without religion, these things would be just as abundant. No one is arguing to world's problems would be solved. The number of needless death and pain would go down, however.
#109 to #105 - blackandwhitegod (02/01/2013) [-]
What I took from your posts are that A. You have a grudge against Christianity and Islam, which is funny because they ARENT the only religion in the world. B. You seem to think because someone has a religion and fights someone with a different religion that it makes it a religious war and not just a run of the mill hate crime. C. You've never actually studied history or psychology. D. You are more indoctrination to pointless bigotry against religion than most religious bigots I know are bigoted towards non-religious folk.

Frankly it is disgusting you would make all of these arguments in the first place without even understanding the events, the people, or the cultures.
User avatar #110 to #109 - cullenatorguy (02/01/2013) [-]
Wow. Let's take this slowly.

A) I don't have a grudge against any religion so much as a dislike. Every religion has contributed positively to the world, you really think I'm that stupid? Christianity and Islam have the greatest influence. I can bring up other religion though if you want.
B) Actually, no. That's not the case at all. What I consider a religious conflict is a conflict caused by religion or when religion is used as an excuse for a conflict.
C) Define study. College degree? No. History books or websites? Yes.
D) I don't understand what you're saying.

In the following comments, I'll explain each event I listed. Thanks for being nice, respectful, and sincere. It's always nice when someone wants to have a serious conversation and never insults someone else before they even explain their points. You're so ****** .
User avatar #111 to #110 - cullenatorguy (02/01/2013) [-]
- The Spanish committed genocide against the Aztecs, Mayans, etc. in the 16th and 17th centuries. The Spanish "God, Gold, and Glory" justifies their crimes.
-Abortion clinic bombings have occurred several times within the past 20 years. Forgive me for my poor choice of words. I should have said abortion clinic violence. Nearly all of these incidents were committed by a religious person who was upset by the practices of the office.
-Lynching was common only 60 years ago and back. Surprisingly, nearly all incidents recorded were performed by extremely religious people. Their reasoning varies, but nearly always has something to do with god.
-Discrimination and racism play hand in hand. The Bible says that darkness is bad. Dark skin is therefore bad. Christians justified their racist views with the Bible.
-Slavery (refer to above)
-European nations colonized Africa and brought their religion with them. Through conversions (usually forced) they destroyed the cultures and lives of many African peoples. The same can be said for the Native Americans.
-You'll notice that there is an exceptional amount of child molestation within the Catholic Church. The sexually deprived priests and cardinals really have no where else to turn, and god doesn't say anything bad about molesting children. The Church doesn't even deny it. They just protect the priests and cardinals from legal trouble and move them to a new church who has no idea who they are.
-The Catholic Church encourages that no one use contraceptives. This includes condoms. Since the Church has such a large influence and presence is Africa, and since AIDS is such a problem, and since there aren't any condoms to be used, STDs including AIDS and unwanted babies spread very quickly. It does nothing but harm to people who are already in pain.
-I am indoctrinated? By who? I do my own research and actually think for myself. Who would indoctrinate me into the lack of belief in any deity?

User avatar #112 to #111 - cullenatorguy (02/01/2013) [-]
-Discrimination against gays happens everyday by religious people. How have you not noticed that?
- Plenty of acid attacks are done in the Islamic culture against women due to women being viewed as lesser than men in Islamic countries. Where does this sexism come from? The Koran. You can look up the verses yourself.
-Religion still played a major role in the Inquisition. I never said my list only dealt with religion
-I'm not even going to reply to you on the Armenians through Sudan genocides. Look them up. They happened.
-9/11 and the Middle east are viewed as political and land disputes generally, right? Well, they are. They're also religious. This all stems from the creation of Israel, which the middle eastern countries didn't like. The got Israel because they claimed it was their homeland and that since the Torah says the land was promised to them by god, the got it. Of course, the Palestinians had been taught by the Koran that the land that is now Israel was given to them by god. This only created more and more problems for them, which lead up to what is going on right now.
-Honor Killings are very popular in Islamic nations. It's allowed because it's allowed in the Koran.
-The Holocaust and WWII were lead and started by Adolf Hitler. As it turns out, Hitler grew up Catholic and continued to be extremely religious throughout his life. He wrote in Mein Kamf that he was doing the will of god.
-I included sacrifices in their to include the primal religions and beliefs of South American tribes and other religions similar to them throughout the world.
-Religion played a major role in the Crusades. It's not hard to see.

I never said that any and all of the events I mentioned were only caused by religion. There are many factors to all of them and exceptions to all of them as well. Many acid attacks are just against women for no religious reasons at all. WWII and the Holocaust were also caused because Hitler was ******* insane.

#113 to #112 - cullenatorguy (02/01/2013) [-]
I would never put something on the list I gave if I even thought religion didn't play a role in it. My thing about religion is that it's used as an excuse for many, many conflicts throughout history.

Of course, there are many wonderful things about religion as well. Italy wouldn't have experience the Renaissance. Culture would be lacking without it. There are many, many charities run by religious organizations that do a ton of good in the world. Many religions teach love and kindness as well, but they also teach hate, violence, and discrimination.

I would never be so ******** to suggest that religion is the only cause of conflict in the world. If there were no religion, conflicts would definitely arise and terrible things would still happen. I'm just saying there'd probably be less. This picture sums up my view pretty well. Gotta love some Freud.
#108 to #105 - blackandwhitegod (02/01/2013) [-]
-Mass ****** of South American peoples by the Spanish when colonizing America You're an idiot.
-Abortion clinic bombings
Refer to me calling you an idiot.
Refer to me calling you an idiot.
-The discrimination against blacks
I really feel like you are trying hard here but your brain just lacks the logical capacity to think what you are saying through.
Racism has nothing to do with religion, existed before religion and will exist after.
-Colonization of Africa by European countries
Again you are completely off base, go back and study history.
-Molestation of innocent children by the Catholic Church
Molestation by just about every social group ever. Sick people are everywhere and THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION.
-Spread of AIDS in Africa by Catholic Church
I don't... even... where do you get your facts?
-Indoctrination of young children into a system:Indoctrination seemed to work on you as an adult, what is your point? Idiots are brainwasted easily? Don't need religion for that.
-Discrimination against homosexuals :Hahaha, oh god that is priceless. If no one thought you were ignorant before that will do it.
-Acid attacks :You said this one twice, both times you are off base.
#107 to #105 - blackandwhitegod (02/01/2013) [-]
Lets continue with how wrong you are.
-The Inquisition Was political as it was religious.
-The massacre of the Armenian Christians by the Turks
Did you attend any school beyond the 5th grade?
-The genocide of Muslims, Roma, Serbian Orthodox and others by the Ustaša
Don't know this one but I feel like you are wrong based on the track record of being so wrong all the time.
-The genocide of the Roman Catholics in East Timor by the Muslim government of Indonesia
Refer to religios people fighting =/= over religion
-The genocide of Christians and Animists by the Muslim government of Sudan
R-E-A-D a B-O-OK
#106 to #105 - blackandwhitegod (02/01/2013) [-]
oh man let's see how you are wrong.
and I assure you that you are, in fact, wrong.

Do you even know why we are in conflict with the East? The conflict was secular but religious people were used. In that sense it is exactly the same as every war ever.
-Honor Killings
You might want to google that, because I don't think you know what it means.
-The Holocaust
Again, you are wrong there. Religion was not the driving force, though it played a roll, mostly it was the fact Hitler was crazy and it is a lot easier to brain wash people into thinking others are the cause of their problems.
-WWII in general
I don't know what to say to this besides I hope you are trolling.
-I can't even begin to mention all the wars in the middle east
You don't know history, conflict between religious groups does not = a religious war. If I stabbed you multiple times because I wanted your house, and we were different religions would that make it a religious hate crime?
-World Trade Center bombings
Refer to 9/11
Yes, some religions did that. But every culture has at some point another killed a human being, religious or not.
-Acid attacks
Again, google that because it doesn't mean what you think it means.
-The Crusades
Have you ever read a book on the crusades? There are dozens of major crusades and they all happened for various reasons. Again just because Christians were on one side and Muslims were on the other doesn't make it a religious war. In fact some Crusades involved Christians fighting Christians and Christians allying with other countries who weren't Christian.
User avatar #91 to #50 - slyve (02/01/2013) [-]
Well, yeah, people are ******** , but i think what annoys people the most (at least it annoys me the most) is that religious people do all that **** too, but still think they are better because they have the absolute morality of god on their side. They are the good guys, no matter what they do. Religion condones ****** , rape and general violence (and don't say this isn't true, if you read the whole bible, it turns out it could be a 2000 year old saw prequel)

The arrogance of that is what is so infuriating.
#103 to #91 - blackandwhitegod (02/01/2013) [-]
Not everyone is an ******* in a religion some take it very seriously. Every religion has its hypocrits but you cant blame a religion for that, and especially not everyone in it. I try to hate on a person to person basis if at all possible. You can tell a lot about someone by how they dress and talk.
#75 to #50 - anonymous (02/01/2013) [-]
wtf is the point of religion then you ******* idiot
User avatar #61 to #50 - Onemanretardpack (02/01/2013) [-]
What is the Crusades?

I know religion didn't start the crusades, but the whole of religion just leaves itself open to people to use it to further their agenda
#80 to #61 - anonymous (02/01/2013) [-]
Matters of faith was the key motivator for pretty much every Crusade, other than the Forth which got hijacked by Venitians.

I'm not a big fan of this implication that Religion was used to further ones' agenda in the Medieval world. Most of the time religion was THE agenda. The Catholic church only began to become a little too wordly by the Early Modern period, and even then they tried to sort themselves out in response to Luther and Calvin's grievences.
#102 to #80 - blackandwhitegod (02/01/2013) [-]
Actually the motivations were mixed. The crusades are largely agreed upon as not being religious. Religion was a motivator for some, but Urban also promised wealth among other things. Look up some of the variations of his speeches. If it was purely religious then why did they wait so long? Why did Constantinople only ask for defensible help after internal breakdown and civil war? How did the crusades end up in North Africa? In Europe? Why did Urban already have a plan set up before he was even asked?

#Sources, I have a degree in history
User avatar #71 to #61 - jellybob ONLINE (02/01/2013) [-]
if not religion it would have been trade routes, or exploration which would eventually lead to expansion, pursuit of a natural resource or a breed of animal like horses (I'm not horse expert but I think their called arabians), searching for treasure and fame.
Those are all I could rattle off the top of my head, but I'm very tired
User avatar #73 to #71 - Onemanretardpack (02/01/2013) [-]
That's what I'm saying. Even if it isn't inherently evil, people use religion to expedite their own agendas. It would have happened eventually, but if you use religion, you don't have to pay people to do this stuff. All you have to do is arm them and feed them and they'll gladly kill all the infidels they want
User avatar #78 to #73 - jellybob ONLINE (02/01/2013) [-]
True, people still use religion for their own personal agendas, but now instead of giving people weapons and fanaticism, they are given food, or shelter, comfort, sometimes jobs and transportation. It may still be for selfish reasons in many cases but at least we aren't aiming to kill those who believe differently than us anymore. Religion is flawed only because man is flawed.
*of course I'm leaving out the fanatical muslims and fundamentalist churches like the WBC that comprise the minority of religious peoples, but draw the most attention making the others look bad*
#55 to #50 - anonymous (02/01/2013) [-]
I don't know man. I've read a lot of medieval sources and religion is a fairly dominant factor in matters such as the Crusades.

There's this lovely account in the Gesta Francorum (which was basically a diary written during the first Crusade) in which the Christians have been trapped in a town for weeks by Muslim besiegers. They're clearly starving and begin to hallucinate and they ALL claimed to have seen Jesus give the spear of Destiny to a noble. The Christians get whipped up into a religious fervour, ride out of the city and inflict a crushing defeat on the Muslims.

On another note, I wonder if edgy Reddit atheists are aware of how **** they make any theological debate.
#63 to #55 - hudspud (02/01/2013) [-]
What the **** did the middle part have to do with this agument? That peoples belief in a god makes them efficient warriors which means all wars originate from religion? Saying that all of man-kinds faults originate from religion is a pretty ignorant statement. I'm religious and I would think it would be ignorant to say that all of mans faults originate from a lack of faith.

(are you an edgy reddit atheist?)
#100 to #63 - anonymous (02/01/2013) [-]
Note how I never said "religion is the source of all wars"

I was merely saying that faith was linked tomany aspects of medieval life. The story in the second paragraph was a fun little account of how faith had an effect on warfare.
#48 - telmarine (02/01/2013) [-]
yay, more religion hate
User avatar #47 - stuckatwork (02/01/2013) [-]
This was ok back in their time. We can't judge their normal because its not ours. "Normal is only an illusion. What is normal for a spider is chaos for a fly."
#60 to #47 - derpyderpderp (02/01/2013) [-]
The fact that this is still going on today mean's that we can apply modern moral's to the situation. Don't be an ignorant twit and think that this doesn't happen and that we can't apply modern morals.
User avatar #101 to #60 - stuckatwork (02/01/2013) [-]
It is also a Different religion. We also do not see it to be of great morals to have more than one wife. She was one of like 7. I don't judge things simply because I don't understand them.
#56 to #46 - theholyghost **User deleted account** Comment deleted by Abandoned [-]
#45 - anonymous (02/01/2013) [-]
These comments about how you can't justify something by the contemporary moral norms... You're aware that in a few hundred years people will be saying the same about the stuff WE deem normal.

I do history at university and rule 1 on day 1 in the first lecture, shouted as loudly as possible and up on the screen in massive letters was: NEVER apply modern morals to history. Even when looking at how people acted 40 years ago, you shouldn't do it.
#96 to #45 - rightouslightning (02/01/2013) [-]
"I do history at university"    
seems legit
"I do history at university"

seems legit
#42 - anonymous (02/01/2013) [-]
I think this may be conceived as offensive
#34 - anonymous (02/01/2013) [-]
I was an alter boy.....
#36 to #34 - anonmynous ONLINE (02/01/2013) [-]
So.... what did it taste like? I'm guessing like salt and Jesus crackers
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