Wi Fi Without Representation. If I could tax anything I'd tax some fine bitches, so every time I try to get a piece of ass, they'll have to acknowledge my exist
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Wi Fi Without Representation

Wi Fi Without Representation. If I could tax anything I'd tax some fine bitches, so every time I try to get a piece of ass, they'll have to acknowledge my exist

If I could tax anything I'd tax some fine bitches, so every time I try to get a piece of ass, they'll have to acknowledge my existence.

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So we were sitting in class today
and my Us History teacher was
trying to get us to understand why it
was such a big deal that England had
put a tax on colonial sugar, and he
goes.
What if you had to pay a tax every
time you logged onto wifi'?"
And the whole class just went
and I heard at may two people
whisper "l would murder someone"
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#9 - include (03/12/2014) [-]
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The teacher.
The teacher.
User avatar #207 - esterna (03/13/2014) [+] (1 reply)
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Hey, thanks for front page guys!
#8 - braveblue (03/12/2014) [-]
Haha casuals I never log off of my Wifi!
#191 to #8 - lolme (03/13/2014) [-]
Only casuals use a wifi, casual.
#206 to #191 - John Cena (03/13/2014) [-]
Only casuals do not use 1 Gb/s up and down fiber wire.
User avatar #213 to #206 - lolme (03/13/2014) [-]
Only casual don't host their own internet at home.
#1 - perform (03/12/2014) [-]
Our population of over dramatic and disorder-ridden teenagers would drop faster than the bass.
User avatar #5 to #1 - chuckbillrow (03/12/2014) [-]
i dont know a wifi tax would piss off a lot of people to the point where i would not be surprised if there were riots
User avatar #39 to #1 - krabface (03/13/2014) [-]
why registeel?
User avatar #40 to #39 - perform (03/13/2014) [-]
I run a facebook page by that name and I've run it for a few years now. It doesn't have many likes, but the fans are great and I've stuck with it for a while now.
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User avatar #55 to #54 - perform (03/13/2014) [-]
Aren't we talking about tumblr users? I have done absolutely no research to back myself up, but I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that most tumblr users are not more fit than an average human being.
User avatar #56 to #55 - clannadqs (03/13/2014) [-]
I realized my reply had nothing to do with what you were saying. No point in addressing it, haha.
User avatar #57 to #56 - perform (03/13/2014) [-]
Haha fair enough then.
User avatar #137 to #1 - AdamBaum (03/13/2014) [-]
Is that reaction pic your gimmick? Everyone has their own mascot now lel
User avatar #138 to #137 - perform (03/13/2014) [-]
top lel
#208 to #1 - johnnyafire (03/13/2014) [-]
Yes, but..... Does your body take 5 turns to get ready?
User avatar #217 to #208 - perform (03/13/2014) [-]
Nope because I don't have slow start.
#227 to #217 - johnnyafire (03/17/2014) [-]
You'll have it when i'm through with you, my child.
User avatar #2 to #1 - finblob ONLINE (03/12/2014) [-]
Don't lie
you'd be overreacting too.
User avatar #3 to #2 - godtherapist (03/12/2014) [-]
For a long time now I have been doing stints living as "the other side" so that I have a more rounded understanding about the world.

A few years back I went without most technology. I restricted my TV to just music and news and that was it. I didn't use a computer, or internet or video games. I didn't even use a calculator and the majority of my interaction was through mail and very rarely a corded phone that I could only use in one spot just for emergencies or if mail was not an option, like calling home.

I didn't even miss it. I played cards and chess and I talked to people, read a bunch of books and even worked out.

Now I'm fat, lazy and haven't touched my free weights in years.

I honestly think people, including myself, are Addicted to modern technology especially the internet.
#183 to #3 - faelysse (03/13/2014) [-]
Blaming technology and internet for your laziness and fatness is like blaming McDonalds for it.

All you need is regulated consumption and schedule. You CAN still play cards, work out etc.. Don't blame technology for this, it just your pure laziness

User avatar #184 to #183 - godtherapist (03/13/2014) [-]
I didn't blame anything. I totally take responsibility for the state I am in. I know I am responsible because I have lived the other way.
#196 to #183 - John Cena (03/13/2014) [-]
Jump down his throat why don't you?
User avatar #62 to #3 - garymotherfingoak (03/13/2014) [-]
maybe you could make a schedule restricting your time on the web.
User avatar #65 to #62 - godtherapist (03/13/2014) [-]
I would make it. Stick with it for a week. Then go right back.

I'm an all or nothing kind of guy.
User avatar #71 to #65 - garymotherfingoak (03/13/2014) [-]
no harm in trying.
User avatar #76 to #71 - godtherapist (03/13/2014) [-]
I have tired, this is how I know.
User avatar #85 to #76 - garymotherfingoak (03/13/2014) [-]
true... for me its always one end or the other as well. Its hard for me to find a mid ground.
#10 to #2 - tksparty (03/12/2014) [-]
i don't think you fully understand what he is saying
#61 - rockergamer ONLINE (03/13/2014) [-]
There are just some things you can't take without starting a riot.   
The internet's one of them.
There are just some things you can't take without starting a riot.
The internet's one of them.
User avatar #63 to #61 - agreatusername (03/13/2014) [-]
That's because there would be nothing left to distract the masses from their blind fury.
#144 - lastoriginalname (03/13/2014) [-]
******* casuals and their casual wifi. Ethernet master race
#64 - kevinbieksa (03/13/2014) [-]
"Why are you 			*******		 stabbing me?"   
   
"I got tired of paying taxes for wi-fi."
"Why are you ******* stabbing me?"

"I got tired of paying taxes for wi-fi."
#87 to #64 - dinocaster (03/13/2014) [-]
Thanks funny internetman for reinacting the content in such a jolly fashion.
#94 to #87 - kevinbieksa (03/13/2014) [-]
I'd like to think that I will leave the internet better then when I found it.
I'd like to think that I will leave the internet better then when I found it.
#150 - givememoarpony (03/13/2014) [-]
**givememoarpony rolled a random image posted in comment #10 at this fucking guy.. **   
   
mfw the 			********		 of pissing contests about socialism in the comment section
**givememoarpony rolled a random image posted in comment #10 at this fucking guy.. **

mfw the ******** of pissing contests about socialism in the comment section
#37 - cannibislover (03/12/2014) [-]
Fortunately i never get off.
Fortunately i never get off.
User avatar #16 - Loppytaffy (03/12/2014) [-]
Though it was a ****** thing to do, when running an Empire do you know what the two most expensive things are? Wars and colonies.
You know what England had a lot of at the time? Wars and colonies.
You know what funds them? Taxes.
You know who was taxed through the nose? Everybody- even the people still living in the mother land.
You know who's being supertaxed now? Britain's new generation of workers. Bright, fresh from college/uni, just starting out working. GASP! You earned £1300 this month? Allow us to take a 30% cut.

Tax happens. It's Britain's thing it's what he does. Only now it funds the NHS instead of us having to buy our lives back.
#41 to #16 - rhodg (03/13/2014) [-]
psst

60% of the NHS sucks

I had to wait over an hour for a ******* ambulance when I was half ******* dead

User avatar #50 to #41 - Loppytaffy (03/13/2014) [-]
And the other 40% saved my dad's life and mum and unborn sister on two separate occasions. Believe me I am thankful for it.
User avatar #43 to #16 - lolfire (03/13/2014) [-]
Do you ask a question and then answer it yourself? Yes you do.
Is that annoying? Yes it is.
Are you right? Probably, yes.
Did you learn nothing from scrubs? No you didn't.

www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=n5Fg7rG0PQg#t=193
User avatar #52 to #43 - Loppytaffy (03/13/2014) [-]
Am I going to watch a random scene in the middle of an episode I only watch in passing when there's nothign else on? No I'm not.
User avatar #12 - cookiel (03/12/2014) [-]
Amerifag here
I actually wouldn't be opposed to paying lots of taxes if my money actually went towards free college (for those who want it), health care, and other **** . I mean college is my biggest expense and I'd be more than ******* fine working and paying taxes for the rest of my life if it meant I never had to pay for it nor for my future kids.
User avatar #14 to #12 - TheHutchie (03/12/2014) [-]
Assuming the taxes are calculated fairly, then yes, this is a really good idea.

Thanks to the Independence Referendum in Scotland, I now hate about 50% of my country. Tax and education play an important role in their stupidity.
User avatar #17 to #14 - cookiel (03/12/2014) [-]
Well of course I'm assuming it'd all be fairly distributed and whatnot. But I probably hate more than 50% of my country due to more funding going to military **** than basic education resulting in ********* , for lack of a better word. But I don't know what the IR in Scotland is so I can't comment on that part
User avatar #19 to #17 - TheHutchie (03/12/2014) [-]
Basically, Scotland pays part of its taxes to the government of the UK, and as the cycle goes, the UK government gives the Scottish government huge grants to go towards healthcare and education.

A man named Alex Salmond, the First Minister of Scotland, has decided that it's a fantastic idea for Scotland to go independent of the UK, despite the fact that there's a recession on, and that he thinks we can run the whole country on (imaginary) oil revenue.

About 1/3 of Scots completely believe him, mostly because they hate the English.

TL;DR: If we vote "yes" for the referendum, then my country will have almost no education or healthcare systems, and we'll all have to watch Salmond's face as the oil money goes to big corporations and the UK government instead of into Scottish coffers.
User avatar #25 to #19 - cookiel (03/12/2014) [-]
I can't even think of an example to compare this to but I can see why you'd hate a good part of your country. They're basically obsessed with their hate for the UK that they don't see the bigger picture, if I understand correctly.
User avatar #27 to #25 - TheHutchie (03/12/2014) [-]
You may have seen Braveheart.

That **** happened 700 years ago, and Scots today still blame the English for everything.

They follow Salmond into hell, just because they like the idea of being independent, regardless of its consequences.
User avatar #29 to #27 - cookiel (03/12/2014) [-]
I don't think I ever saw the entire movie, only like clips. But eh people need to stop being so butt hurt about **** that nobody alive did to them. That's kinda like black people hating the white man for slavery
User avatar #30 to #29 - TheHutchie (03/12/2014) [-]
I've compared it to that same thing actually.

Those kind of narrow minded twats really annoy me.
User avatar #31 to #30 - cookiel (03/12/2014) [-]
Same here. I also hate the idiots who try and implement their religious views into politics, gay marriage is an example. I honestly had no idea what actually came with being married to somebody (all the legal rights and **** ) and, being raised Christian, I kinda had those views and just thought they should call it something else to appease the Biblebeaters. Though once I learned what came with marriage, I thought **** yeah they should be able to get married, especially when I learned ppl in prison can get married yet they're striped from their right to vote. I'm all about equality and **** but people still are in the mindset of "I'm right so **** your views" instead of "Ok let me hear what you have to say and the logic behind it"
User avatar #32 to #31 - TheHutchie (03/12/2014) [-]
There's also the opposite problem; people who say "Okay, let me hear what you have to say and the logic behind it" and are then presented with some logic-less, regurgitated nonsense.

I sincerely believe that the worst modern social sin is drilling opinions and beliefs into somebody who's too young to make up their own mind. Religion is made out to be a choice, but if you grow up being told the same thing over and over again, you end up either having to believe it or reject your family. That's not a choice - it's blackmail.
User avatar #33 to #32 - cookiel (03/12/2014) [-]
Well yeah I mean some people will just get into an argument as opposed to a logical discussion/debate.

I do agree that it is basically brainwashing kids into certain beliefs and it actually can drive kids away from it. I had a Religions of the World teacher who was a retired Lutheran pastor and he said that if he could go back and choose a religion to be raised with, he'd choose to be Muslim which really kinda impressed me. A quote I like is "A person who questions his faith is not a true believer but a person who doesn't question his faith is a fool" and I do believe that. I will say I'm Christian based on how I was raised but what I believe is not totally consistent with either my mom's or dad's views.
User avatar #34 to #33 - TheHutchie (03/12/2014) [-]
It's healthy to question things. I question my own beliefs to the point where there's no logical opposition to them, besides the ones I've come up with before.

It can be difficult to accept that you've not really a ******* clue about anything, but I think that's the only way forward really.
User avatar #35 to #34 - cookiel (03/12/2014) [-]
Well I do too but then that's kinda why they call it faith. But a mentality I've adopted is to not worry about **** I have no control over since that's what drives a lot of people crazy.
User avatar #36 to #35 - TheHutchie (03/12/2014) [-]
Definitely a good outlook.

Though sometimes I think it's our little bits of crazy that make us truly unique.
User avatar #88 to #36 - cookiel (03/13/2014) [-]
Oh trust me, I'm crazy in other ways lol
User avatar #66 to #12 - durkadurka (03/13/2014) [-]
The thing is, you can help people pay for those things right now. Why wait for the government to force you?
User avatar #89 to #66 - cookiel (03/13/2014) [-]
Because I'm a broke ass college student who can't even pay for my own **** ? I think that's my main reason
User avatar #225 to #89 - durkadurka (03/14/2014) [-]
So then what you really want is for someone else to pay for you now.
User avatar #226 to #225 - cookiel (03/14/2014) [-]
If there was an education reform to where my tax money went to helping people attend college in the future I'd have no problem with it and I know that by the time it ever did happen I'd be out of college.
#90 to #12 - John Cena (03/13/2014) [-]
Then when it comes time to pay your taxes do it early and estimate what you would pay then donate that ******* amount to charity of your choice, just make sure it's tax-deductible. You protest the government's use of your money and put yours where your mouth is by supporting the causes you want. HONESTLY! Why don't people do this!?!?!?!?!
User avatar #97 to #90 - cookiel (03/13/2014) [-]
Because I'm a broke ass college student who can't even pay for my own **** ? I think that's my main reason. When I actually make money someday I am going to do stuff for charity but that's not the point
User avatar #124 to #12 - twofreegerbils (03/13/2014) [-]
What if I don't want to go to college? Why should I have to pay for other people to go to college if I will never reap the benefit of it?
User avatar #129 to #124 - cookiel (03/13/2014) [-]
You might have kids that want to someday?
User avatar #133 to #129 - twofreegerbils (03/13/2014) [-]
I repeat.

Why should I have to pay for other people to go to college if I will never reap the benefits of it?
User avatar #140 to #133 - cookiel (03/13/2014) [-]
It's more or less working together for the greater population. Let's just say that this system was in place and someone chose they didn't want to go to college. However, later down they line in their mid 30s they develop some complicated medical conditions that require frequent doctor visits and expensive medication and make it to age 70 yet due to the system, they don't have to pay anything out of pocket. At the same time, another person who did go to college, they go throughout life without having any major complications until late in life and they die rather quickly. They still get their full medical coverage (which was a fraction of the amount compared to person A) but also went to college. Your point could then technically be used by someone who complains that they never go on the highway so why should their tax money be put towards that infrastructure? a stupid point but the concept is the same

But ok then for arguments sake now, in this system you pay a "college tax" if you went to college through your life or if your kids are in college? Reading that out loud makes it sound like a loan in a way but that would be a fair enough compromise for those who are in family businesses/farms/trades, and other people who just don't want to go I guess.
User avatar #146 to #140 - twofreegerbils (03/13/2014) [-]
I see the point you're making, but that aside, have you considered the ramifications of making college free for everyone?

It would end up just like the US public school system. Underpaid professors who are dealing with the lowest common denominator: kids that don't want to be there but are being forced to go. And can you even imagine the amount of tax revenue that would be required to pay tuition for all the students who go to college now, much less all the students who would go to college if it was free? The NCES reports that in 2013, there were 21.8 million students attending college. According to collegedata, the average cost of tuition for a year of college in 2013 was about $9,000 for in-state students attending public universities. I won't even bother to include out of state students. Private school students are excluded for obvious reasons.

That totals, for the year 2013, 196.2 billion with a B dollars. Now imagine what it would be if I included room and board and books. Now imagine out of state students. Now imagine what it would be if I included all the students who would attend college if it was free.

I don't want to pay 196.2 billion dollars a year so that Cindy can force her crackhead son to go to college because she still thinks she can make a successful person out of him.
User avatar #185 to #146 - cookiel (03/13/2014) [-]
I know it would essentially never really work, I'm just saying it'd be nice if it did. But also a point I made somewhere on this thread was that if we allocated more money we'd be able to better train teachers/professors to teach throughout all of the school systems, not just college (essentially education reform). Obviously not everyone would want to go to college or be cut out per say, some people don't want to or just would rather work or take over a family business.

I do agree with your point in that it would take a **** **** ton of money to put everyone though college due to the prices. Part of why college is so expensive is because of academic inflation and it's basically become commercialized and I really don't ******* think what I've been "taught" is worth 23k a year (in tuition alone). Then again, I'm at a private college so I'd be scared ******** to know the figures for how much EVERYONE is paying in undergrad alone. Obviously if you get down to "Anybody gets in" then yeah you'd have to pay for Cindy's crackhead son which I wouldn't want to do. **** I'd be happy if community college was at least free and if they got a little better funding. I technically made money from the Pell Grant going there for 2 years but that's not the point.
#147 to #12 - John Cena (03/13/2014) [-]
Thats something called "big government." A big thing the Colonifags were trying to get away from.
Thats something called "big government." A big thing the Colonifags were trying to get away from.
User avatar #190 to #12 - arcticastronaut (03/13/2014) [-]
Move to Norway. Problem solved.
User avatar #214 to #12 - hokeymon ONLINE (03/13/2014) [-]
Still won't work. The government will still put most of the taxes to their pocket and not to the welfare of the development of the country.
User avatar #224 to #214 - cookiel (03/13/2014) [-]
I know it wouldn't work in reality, just it'd be nice if it was possible
#21 to #12 - thebaseballexpert (03/12/2014) [-]
but god forbid the mass population in America likes socialism. Nothing irritates me more when people say socialism is fascist, or Obama is a communist. Socialism/WWII got us out of the great depression. MFW people say socialism is the worst form of government
User avatar #46 to #21 - pebar (03/13/2014) [-]
Milton Friedman - The Great Depression Myth Socialism/WW2 didn't get us out of the great depression....
Relaxing the gold standard and reinflating the economy after the banking crisis that our wise and powerful government allowed to happen (vid related), despite having a duty and the necessary knowledge to intervene is what eased the hard parts of the depression. And it wasn't until after the war when the government finally stopped sucking money out of the economy to fund its shenanigans that ended the depression.
User avatar #68 to #46 - durkadurka (03/13/2014) [-]
hesrightyouknow.jpg

Milton Friedman knows his stuff. Worth a watch.
User avatar #110 to #46 - nigeltheoutlaw (03/13/2014) [-]
I know I didn't reply in our previous discussion/you unnecessarily calling me an idiot, but I do think you have a point with your anarcho-capitalist ideals. I personally wouldn't take that path and I don't think they would be effective right now, but I no longer think that it's an inherently broken system.
User avatar #113 to #110 - pebar (03/13/2014) [-]
no no no no no I'm not an anarchist - government has many uses
User avatar #122 to #113 - nigeltheoutlaw (03/13/2014) [-]
Oh yes, I guess anarcho-capitalist is a little much since you did agree that not all regulation is bad. But yeah, figured I should tell you that I did listen, even if I did not necessarily agree with your conclusions.
User avatar #125 to #122 - pebar (03/13/2014) [-]
If you care about learning more, I recommend Milton Friedman's book "capitalism and freedom".
It covers a number of topics such as international trade, fiscal policy, public schools, monopolies and the social responsibility of business, welfare programs, etc.

If you don't want to buy the book, it can be read here
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User avatar #126 to #125 - nigeltheoutlaw (03/13/2014) [-]
Well, if you don't examine your own positions then you're an idiot, so I'll check out the free online version, thanks.
User avatar #134 to #126 - pebar (03/13/2014) [-]
BTW, the book was written in 1962 and a few things have change since then, for example we're no longer on a gold standard and we now do have a system of free floating exchange rates which is talked about in the book.
User avatar #135 to #134 - nigeltheoutlaw (03/13/2014) [-]
Thanks for the heads up.
User avatar #216 to #135 - miscarriage (03/13/2014) [-]
ily
User avatar #223 to #216 - nigeltheoutlaw (03/13/2014) [-]
I love you too.
User avatar #100 to #21 - nought (03/13/2014) [-]
>socialism got us out of the great depression
>equating new deal to socialism
>FDR cries in his grave
>specifically designed programs not to be "doles"
User avatar #127 to #21 - nigeltheoutlaw (03/13/2014) [-]
B-b-b-but muh commies!
User avatar #24 to #21 - cookiel (03/12/2014) [-]
Not quite sure if you're saying I'm a dense ************ or not... I never said anything against socialism. Socialism is great in theory, I won't deny that, but there will always be somebody who wants more than someone else or someone in power who has more. And WW2 got us out of the great depression since we basically were selling war **** to others and none of the fighting was done on US soil (aside from Pearl Harbor but that wasn't really fighting per say) so our factories and land wasn't ****** up but rather in high demand.
User avatar #26 to #24 - thebaseballexpert (03/12/2014) [-]
sorry, in hindsight it was a little confusing. I was expanding upon your point and ranting about the uneducated, fox news watching people in america.

Also FDR and all the social benefits he passed for the unemployed, minimum wage, business regulations, both of the new deals ETC. helped too, it wasn't JUST the world war. That had been going on for years before the end of the depression.
#48 to #26 - pebar (03/13/2014) [-]
MFW you ranting about the uneducated   
MFW you think paying people to not work helps the economy   
MFW you think banning people from competing for jobs helps the economy   
MFW you think increasing the cost of business helps the economy   
MFW you think the government can allocate resources better than individuals
MFW you ranting about the uneducated
MFW you think paying people to not work helps the economy
MFW you think banning people from competing for jobs helps the economy
MFW you think increasing the cost of business helps the economy
MFW you think the government can allocate resources better than individuals
#60 to #48 - John Cena (03/13/2014) [-]
You do realize he didn't really say anything on those points right? The origin of each of those things helped the economy but they have become corrupted over time. For example unemployment benefits was designed to keep people afloat untile they got their next job, thus preventing defaulting on loans, foreclosures and homelessness all of which are severely damaging for the economy. When it was conceived people actively looked for work. However it become a lifeblood for the lazy and apathetic now, which partly has to do with the difference in the jobs/pay at the time. in the 1950's you could have nearly any job and live, however today many jobs pay so little that you can't survive and unemployment is a better option. And in some having the Gov allocate resources is better because humans are inherently self serving so they only focus on themselves when in fact helping others creates even larger benefits for both themselves and society as a whole, but the individuals simply to know/see it
User avatar #69 to #60 - pebar (03/13/2014) [-]
>le unintended consequences...
>Jobs today actually pay higher than they did in the 50s
>The economy is built on inherently self-serving people pursuing their own interests in a system of voluntary trade. Capitalism turns greed into something productive.
User avatar #111 to #69 - cookiel (03/13/2014) [-]
To your first comment: Thats nothing about what he said
>There are lots of ignorant people out there who don't know jack **** aside from what *insert biased news source here* tells them
>Unemployment benefits isn't paying people to not work and in socialism everybody DOES work and do their part. Unemployment helps people between jobs for whatever reason and not everyone gets it. An example is my mom was fired for essentially drinking on the job and when her company told whoever is in charge of unemployment, she got denied.

But to this comment:
>Yeah jobs pay higher today than they did back then but the cost of living is so much higher where you really cannot live on a minimum wage job alone.
>I wouldn't call it greed per say but it does allow people to do what they want, part of which is why I do love I live in America since if I was born somewhere else I doubt I'd be able to pursue my dreams. I do agree business competition is good.

To your comment below: I don't know if people are naturally greedy, that can be more of a cultural thing or based on how you were raised and under what conditions.
But also, it really depends on what you go to college for to where it's "affordable". **** my school is 23k a year, which I'll admit isn't bad. However because it's private (due to no public school offering my degree choice) I get nowhere near the funding I would if I went to a state school, of which in my state 9-11k is the cheapest school WITH housing. I have to pay an extra 8-12k a year for housing now which brings it to around 31k a year, not including food/living expenses/etc. My school estimates 31k per commuters and 41k for those that live on campus, give or take. Now my student aid consisted of $10,050 not including loans. That means I still need between 13k at a bare minimum out of pocket using the lowest numbers all the way up to 31k out of pocket. For any kid who is just out of high school I cant see how thats affordable
#79 to #69 - John Cena (03/13/2014) [-]
-Jobs today actually pay higher than they did in the 50's
In simple numbers yes. I won't argue that point but the cost of living grows differently over time. So we may be making more numerically but relative the modern costs we are in fact worse off. In the 50's or 60's you could go to college by working a summer job, today it takes massive student loans. In 1950 the average college tuition was about $600/yr which would equate to about $1,700/yr in 2014. Yet college now costs 10X that. This is what i am referring to. Yes we are making more money numerically but compared to the cost of things we are not.

And again I will not argue that economy is built by self-serving people, I believe that as well. However the issue is when these self-interests are taken to far, when you become so focused on only yourself you miss the fact that sacrificing a little now can reap huge rewards later. A business reduces the execs bonus and reinvests it in its workers education, health, etc. The execs
#84 to #79 - John Cena (03/13/2014) [-]
Correction: I incorrectly calculated the inflation. $600 would equate to roughly $5,000/ yr for college which is still 2 or 3 times less than it currently costs. My apoligies for the mistake
#81 to #79 - John Cena (03/13/2014) [-]
Lose out on money now in the short run but you end up with a happier, better educated, healthier work force increasing productivity and making the business more profitable in the long run, thus earning the execs their money back several times over. Capitalism is indeed driven by greed but when this greed becomes all consuming it becomes unsustainable. If you are the only one with money it has no value or use. So greed is good, to a point. And an ounce of compassion can go a long way.
User avatar #86 to #81 - pebar (03/13/2014) [-]
Whoa whoa whoa, I never said greed was good.... Just that people are naturally greedy and capitalism puts that greed to good use. There are a lot of problems cause by greed.

For the above stuff, you have to keep in mind that people's standards of living are also higher. College is mostly affordable if you're not stupid, and the increased costs are mostly due to a surge in demand for college. The economy is becoming much more tech oriented; it's not just run on brute manpower anymore. There's also a rise in credentialism, basically a mere competitive advantage over a high school student.
#92 to #86 - John Cena (03/13/2014) [-]
And I must commend you on having a rational ,spirited discussion. I must admit from your original post my expectations where fairly low. Well done good sir.
#91 to #86 - John Cena (03/13/2014) [-]
I didn't mean to imply that you said greed was good I was simply using a pretty famous quote. Actually the biggest reason for the increased cost of College is a decrease in public funding and a massive rise in the number and cost of college administrators. State funding for college has dropped by 30% since 1987, and many college administrators are being paid millions. I agree part of it is S&D but that does is not alone.

Basically my entire point in this discussion is that things like Unemployment, Business Regulation, Etc. are not inherently bad. In fact I'm pretty happy that companies can't dump waste into the rivers anymore, which you can bet they would if they could. Such thing do provide very real services to society as a whole, and I get very annoyed when people bash them completely. My family needed unemployment when the economy tanked, it kept us alive until my dad got a new job. Do people abuse them? Hell yea, but there are so many more than only used them when the need to.
User avatar #28 to #26 - cookiel (03/12/2014) [-]
Ah I gotcha. But yeah I can't stand the ignorant ***** who are basically close minded extremists due to whatever. And yeah I kinda totally forgot about all the FDR **** , haven't taken a history class that covered WW2 since 2009 **** I feel old now
User avatar #49 to #28 - pebar (03/13/2014) [-]
History classes don't cover economics.
User avatar #114 to #49 - cookiel (03/13/2014) [-]
We went over the economic changes he implemented but Econ was a semester long class that we had our senior year of hs
#42 - deadlockr (03/13/2014) [-]
Mfw me just chillin' on my 4G.
Mfw me just chillin' on my 4G.
User avatar #67 - TwiztidNinja (03/13/2014) [-]
Well i live in a socialist country and they literally do tax ******* everything, and know what? it is ******* great.

Good health care.
Good education.
Get paid to go to school.
Crash your car? can never work again? no worries TAC has got you covered buddy.
Good minimum wage rates
Everyone gets paid not to work, centrelink bitches.

All in all i can not understand why democracy is so beloved...
"oh noes tax that will help my entire country, and when i need help my country will help me, the horror"
User avatar #70 to #67 - pebar (03/13/2014) [-]
which country?
User avatar #72 to #70 - TwiztidNinja (03/13/2014) [-]
Straya
#73 to #72 - pebar (03/13/2014) [-]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_of_Economic_Freedom

That's not a socialist country....
Australia has waaay higher economic freedom (basically the ability to start a business without the government ******** on you) than the US. The US restricts the **** out of everything. It gives monopoly privileges to certain industries. It taxes corporations to death corporations shouldn't be taxed in the first place; I can give you references . It attempts to fix prices which create shortages. It hands out a limited number of licences which merely keep competition away. The US is ****** up economically.
User avatar #75 to #73 - TwiztidNinja (03/13/2014) [-]
One word.
Carbon tax.

The only thing not socialist about Australia is the fact that the government denies it.
User avatar #78 to #75 - pebar (03/13/2014) [-]
that's two words
Taxing negative externalities is different than taxing corporate profits (I should have been more specific) or making businesses pay for your healthcare (Obamacare) Obamacare is not even close to socialized healthcare. You can't even compare the two. It's cronyism's version of healthcare
User avatar #80 to #78 - TwiztidNinja (03/13/2014) [-]
I know nothing about obamacare but i know our medicare is a socialist system.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_(Australia)

The more money you earn the more tax you pay toward the medicare levi There is actually a general rule for that, you end up paying 49% of your wages if yea earn over $150,000 per year , if you do not earn over $18,000 a year you pay no tax at all.
User avatar #82 to #80 - pebar (03/13/2014) [-]
According to this link that some guy posted below, the average US citizen pays more than your top income bracket. That just goes to show how ****** up our economy is.
www.nowandfutures.com/taxes.html
User avatar #163 to #73 - scowler ONLINE (03/13/2014) [-]
Thanks for that link, now I know I'll have to move to Hong Kong to start a reliable business. Along with not having an address in the U.S.A for the Commies to tax me through...
User avatar #128 to #67 - fidgetyfoe (03/13/2014) [-]
Australia? We get paid to go to school?
User avatar #130 to #128 - TwiztidNinja (03/13/2014) [-]
Tafe, uni, if you are 16 and your parents do not earn much money.

User avatar #131 to #128 - TwiztidNinja (03/13/2014) [-]
Go look into youth allowance, you may be eligible.
User avatar #132 to #131 - fidgetyfoe (03/13/2014) [-]
Ah that's right. Completely forgot about that.
User avatar #170 to #67 - catburglarpenis ONLINE (03/13/2014) [-]
I thought this was another post about Denmark. I'm beginning to think Denmark actually IS Valhalla. I think they get paid 2000 dollars every time they smell a flower, and they get a blow job every time they blink.
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User avatar #99 to #98 - TwiztidNinja (03/13/2014) [-]
I am not bitching about America?
I am bitching about democracy, this kind of **** that you are pulling is exactly why people do bitch about America mate you know... when people are actually bitching about America, **** you must be insecure. .

Btw, our unemployment rate is much lower than Americas, tell me more about how getting help from your government in times of hardship makes things worse.
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User avatar #102 to #101 - TwiztidNinja (03/13/2014) [-]
"Oh, boy, another person that tries to put down America."
you then proceeded to tell me about how great America is and how **** my country is, practice what you preach mate.
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User avatar #104 to #103 - TwiztidNinja (03/13/2014) [-]
My unintelligent comments?

You debunked what?

Did you consider the fact that the socialist country that has unemployment benefits/old age/disability pension/free health care and yada yada everything else has lower unemployment rates than America and did better than every single other country during the financial crisis back in 2008.

You are not debunking **** , you are not using any factual evidence, you are just spewing your own deluded opinion on the topic, very arrogantly i might add.
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User avatar #151 to #105 - thediablo (03/13/2014) [-]
So I guess that's the american way to solve problems if I ask you...
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User avatar #106 to #105 - TwiztidNinja (03/13/2014) [-]
I have, you are an idiot lets be honest, you spew **** that you know nothing about with no factual evidence then claim you are the all knowing king dick.

You are either a pathetic excuse for a human being and are just trolling or you are intellectually challenged and what i am doing is just plain mean.

******* over the people on this website.
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User avatar #109 to #107 - TwiztidNinja (03/13/2014) [-]
No no you did read it, you see im in your head mr pathetic neckbeard.

How often do you masturbate with your mothers underwear per day?
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User avatar #115 to #112 - TwiztidNinja (03/13/2014) [-]
Well you see that is just a blatant lie, you are reading it on the notification, so i get just as much satisfaction out of replying to you like this.
I mean i have no idea why, normally i avoid contact with imbeciles.
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User avatar #117 to #116 - TwiztidNinja (03/13/2014) [-]
No i can, you see, unlike you, I am capable of restraining myself and i do not lie about the fact.
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User avatar #119 to #118 - TwiztidNinja (03/13/2014) [-]
If i could i would put a thumb tack in your forehead.
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#168 to #120 - megayoming (03/13/2014) [-]
Gr8 b8 m8 r8 8/8   
   
 Its bait right?
Gr8 b8 m8 r8 8/8

Its bait right?
User avatar #193 to #168 - itsmepapaone (03/13/2014) [-]
It's bait. He does this all the time.
#195 to #193 - megayoming (03/13/2014) [-]
Thanks m8   
   
And then the man said "Im a virgin " and came into the sunset
Thanks m8

And then the man said "Im a virgin " and came into the sunset
User avatar #123 to #120 - TwiztidNinja (03/13/2014) [-]
By the way, having fun thumbing me down lol?
Only 8,700 thumbs till i have a minus level, you go girl.
here look if you go on my profile you can thumb down all my comments ever! how amazing does that sounds?
User avatar #121 to #120 - TwiztidNinja (03/13/2014) [-]
You know that turns you on mate, lets get together and fist each other.
User avatar #165 to #121 - nothingatall ONLINE (03/13/2014) [-]
so, how about that community...
#148 to #121 - John Cena (03/13/2014) [-]
awww look someone is mad because their country doesn't have as much FREEDOM
#153 to #148 - hopporto ONLINE (03/13/2014) [-]
User avatar #157 to #105 - adunsaveme (03/13/2014) [-]
Holy **** you turd-hurdling crap nugget

You are an absolute ************ fantastical pile of utter stupidity

Even I'm not this ******* stupid
User avatar #95 to #67 - makotoitou (03/13/2014) [-]
>paid not to work
>implying that's good
User avatar #96 to #95 - TwiztidNinja (03/13/2014) [-]
Oh yeah right, not being able to find a job due to no fault of your own should mean you become homeless, good thinking America!
#155 to #96 - WoIverine (03/13/2014) [-]
There is such thing as unemployment benefits in America, I hope you know. You have to earn them by showing initiative to work though. And there's a difference between being paid not to work and being paid because you can't find work.
#154 to #96 - John Cena (03/13/2014) [-]
one thing i've learned in life is that the problems that come to you are almost always your fault and are always your responsibility and to force that responsibility on others is immoral and only exacerbates the problem. not that you shouldnt ask for (you should if you need to), just that you shouldnt make your problems someone else's problems and you shouldn't have an organization (ie: government) turn one persons problems into everyone's problem

if you cant be motivated to pick yourself up, than i shouldn't have to lend you a hand.
User avatar #192 to #154 - lolme (03/13/2014) [-]
Eh, yeah. K. I'll tell that to all the people who studied for 6 years to get a good paying job but can't find one, people with social anxiety, people who've asked over 50 places for work, people with disabilities etc. It's definetly their fault.
#7 - nekaz (03/12/2014) [-]
i didnt know they taxed 2 billion people to use sugar
#197 - melolicious (03/13/2014) [-]
reality: this is fake and made to get popular
#159 - lunchboxxxx (03/13/2014) [-]
**lunchboxxxx rolled a random image posted in comment #30 at Why Is This So Adorable? **
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#11 - biebergotswag (03/12/2014) [-]
i'll just never log off. **** taxes
User avatar #15 to #11 - TheHutchie (03/12/2014) [-]
You're a well known troll, but I approve of this amusing comment regardless.
#18 to #15 - biebergotswag (03/12/2014) [-]
you're thinking of jbgotswag, i'm biebergotswag. lol

but to be honest, we are different accounts, but the user is the same.
User avatar #20 to #18 - TheHutchie (03/12/2014) [-]
Nevertheless, I think you're well aware that Justin has about as much swag as an out-of-date lettuce.
#22 to #20 - biebergotswag (03/12/2014) [-]
that's blasphemy, don't talk about our lord and savior like that. go eat a turd and die
User avatar #53 to #18 - bobthedilder (03/13/2014) [-]


He has become self aware *Dun dun dun duh dun, dun dun dun duh dun*
User avatar #229 to #11 - assassindash (07/01/2014) [-]
I got bored enough to search for your first comment on this account....
User avatar #161 to #156 - scowler ONLINE (03/13/2014) [-]
You might be onto something…
#47 - zenthos (03/13/2014) [-]
Oh please.
You have to pay tax for WiFi as it is.
And we have tax on sugar and tea.
Americans pay far more taxes then the early colonist did under England.
Today the average American pays 54.4% in taxes. (www.nowandfutures.com/taxes.html)
And the colonist got pissed over really nothing compared to day.
(www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1594/percentagewise-were-taxes-greater-in-the-old-days-or-now)
But what ever if there was a law that you had to pay a "tax" every time you "log into" WiFi Americans today would do it with out question.
America land of the sorta free and world military.

And pots legal in N Korea fyi.
User avatar #143 to #47 - omnomonramen (03/13/2014) [-]
Pot isn't "legal" in N Korea exactly. There just isn't a law for it (which makes it legal I guess). This is because no one in N Korea (and Asian cultures in general) uses pot.

Crystal meth is a ******* rampant epidemic however. Up to 50% of the population is addicted.

My explanation is no one in N Korea can afford to be hungry or lazy, so no one uses pot. Meth would let someone not eat and work for days.

Also, we don't pay 54.4% in taxes. That is misleading and the article you posted to support it clearly states that 54.4% is the absolute highest potential rate if you meet every criteria available in 2005. Not 'average' at all.
User avatar #222 to #143 - zenthos (03/13/2014) [-]
What point does the tax rate become to much?
Whats the limit that is acceptable?
What are the real statistics then?
#202 to #47 - John Cena (03/13/2014) [-]
I'm gonna just say that I hate your picture and I'm going to just ignore your comment because of it.
User avatar #221 to #202 - zenthos (03/13/2014) [-]
Yet you still posted.
#74 to #47 - John Cena (03/13/2014) [-]
I feel the way the reach and present the 54.4% is quite misleading. You are not loosing 54.4% of your income due to taxation. You lose 25-30% right of the top for federal, state, SS, etc. The remaining percentages are then applied to an ever decreasing amount of money as you spend it on other things. The way this site presents in implies that each of the percentages is applied to your entire income, which obviously is completely incorrect. Even in the smaller footnotes they say that "numbers are closer to 30% for the actual "average" US citizen" which is much more realistic.
User avatar #83 to #74 - zenthos (03/13/2014) [-]
Thats great and all... but does the average American care? Let me ask ya this at what point does the tax rate become to much? Whats the limit that is acceptable?


Also how is it that the total NASA cost since its inception been approximately 500 billion (including inflation) and we have gotten so much from it society wise and our government as spent over approximately 1.5 trillion on war since 2001.

Point being the government takes your money at gun point then points guns else ware casing harm and destruction and enemy's and then at the same time yells "freedom"?

So free america has more prisoners than any other country in the world.

But yeah that revolution so worth teaching kids American propaganda that they will be able to truly express or use due to being called a terrorist.
#58 to #47 - iamphoenix (03/13/2014) [-]
Pot is legal, but eating apparently isn't.
User avatar #77 to #58 - zenthos (03/13/2014) [-]
Only those who don't love kim go hungry.
Give your love for kim and join the military you will have food for a life time.
How can it get any simpler then that?
User avatar #149 to #77 - givememoarpony (03/13/2014) [-]
inb4 funnyjunk in a nutshell
#210 - edgeworthy (03/13/2014) [-]
And then, I get to deal with that.
And then, I get to deal with that.
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