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#87 - lolollo (10/24/2013) [-]
All of this alpha, beta, gamma ******** is completely retarded. We shouldn't be trying to classify each other based on success levels that are largely defined by the individuals at the "higher" end of society. We're a single, human race. We've transcended above the requirement to have to bludgeon each other to death just to ensure our own survival. We've done this to such a degree that we've started to bring OTHER SPECIES to this same level with us.

To classify each other into hierarchical levels of "dominance" is just a step backwards. You should be living for both yourself, and everyone else around you. If you can help someone, whether it's physically, socially, or emotionally, you do it, and you don't feel yourself better than anyone else due to mundane, or irrelevant reasons.

Being an alpha is trivial as **** anyway, since all it would take is am omega sticking a gun in your face to teach you the most important lesson life has to give you, that you're just as much a victim of circumstance as anyone else. That no, you're not physically, emotionally, or socially above anyone, or anything. You are the same as everyone else. Individual. And vulnerable.

Alright, you can bring the kids out from hiding now, the edginess has ended.
User avatar #235 to #87 - jukuku (10/24/2013) [-]
Completely agree and it doesn't even really apply to modern humans. This is like trying to classify the Universe as a color. It's senseless and ignores all the massive variables in human behavior and personality. We're complex creatures and to try and reduce the personality spectrum of human being to psychological submissive, rejecting or dominant is ******* retarded.
#220 to #87 - anonymous (10/24/2013) [-]
You have diferrences in behaviour betweem people
you can group them up
its never the same, but is is simillar as ****
#164 to #87 - fourtitwo (10/24/2013) [-]
Wow, some people really responded violently to your comment ô.o.

Well, I have to respectfully disagree. And I will do so politely.
First off, people are different. That's a fact of life. In just the same way that two cats aren't the same, you won't find two people who are identical. Saying that everyone are individuals is like saying that 1 = 1; true, but pointless for the sake of any argument. We are all different. And in all being different, we are all equal. But we're not the same. There's a difference.
And categorising people into groups is a correct sociological way of identifying groups of people. I'm not saying a agree with this 5-types view of social success, but that's mainly because social success is defined in relation to the society in which the model is based. It's not a complete chart of variances in human stock, it's a loose grouping of "types" of people. Add more entries to it, and it would cover greater amounts of people.

Basically, what I'm trying to say, is that stating that people can't be grouped together in this way, is like stating that rocks can't be grouped under the term "rock". They can't, ofc. They're all different kinds of rock, and even the same kinds of rock aren't the same, because they have different sizes, shapes. Even if they had the same shape, they occupy different positions in space and time. The only "correct" thing would be to give each "rock" it's own word, but that wouldn't work very well. We would be unable to communicate.

So I ask you this, don't you know some people who would fit into the Alpha category? What about the beta, omega or delta? If you can, you have no right to call this system wrong. It might be crude, but that's it's only fault.
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#165 to #164 - fourtitwo (10/24/2013) [-]
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Also, saying what people should and shouldn't do, is just you preaching yet another set of ideals. No one set of ideas are inherently wrong or right, so you can't morally say what people should think. In the great game of life, nothing is right, nothing is wrong, and nothing is cheating. Everything simply is.
Nothing is true, everything is permitted.
Those were good words, right there.

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User avatar #236 to #165 - lolollo (10/24/2013) [-]
I'm not saying there isn't a pattern in behavior and personality between people, I'm saying that it's silly to treat people you don't know based on some biased perspective of their personality given your own. Like how do you judge yourself? You don't, society does that for you, If you could judge yourself, everyone would be alphas. Society, which is made up of completely biased, and fallible individuals. is what gives you your distinction for you.

That's what I'm saying is wrong.
#242 to #236 - fourtitwo (10/24/2013) [-]
Society doesn't judge you. You do that yourself (I can see that we have very different perspectives xD)
One of the greatest virtues of wisdom is to judge yourself, and do so correctly. You don't decide which type of person you are (although you can decide your actions to imitate one, and give others the impression you are that type of person (For more info, read Sartre)), but nobody decides it for you either. You have to search yourself and find out what kind of person you are.

Also, from an evolutionary point of view, 'biased perspectives' are an important survival feature. Let me put to you an example (and keep in mind, I'm not a racist. Someone's race doesn't define who they are any more than the size of their nose does.)

Where you live, all the people are black, and all are very kind. You learn to trust the people around you, and subconsciously your brain makes what connection it can. It scans the people it knows are good for it, and attempt to find a common characteristic. Whenever it sees someone new, that shares this characteristic, it will make the assumption that they are to be trusted. As people are different, this characteristic would likely be their race, though not definitively.
One day, a white man comes strolling into town. He's being a jerk to you and the people you like. He steals and rapes and murders. Bad stuff. You see he's in a suit, wearing sunglasses and a stupid hat. But you already know people in suits, and they're not like this. You know people with sunglasses and stupid hats, and they're also not like this. However, for this example's sake, you don't know any white people, so your brain cautions you to be wary around white people you meet in the future.
A more down to earth example would be this:
Tigers = Bad.
It might not be inherently true, but they do have a tendency of eating people, so your brain knows it's best to stay clear of them. If you naïvely accept anyone and anything as equal, you are gonna get eaten.
User avatar #247 to #242 - lolollo (10/24/2013) [-]
Well no, think about it critically. If everyone chose their own lot in life, no one would be picked on, or abused, and everyone would be popular. I agree that how you see yourself is important, but you can't ignore the fact that there's still some feedback from the system. Maybe I need to specify, I'm not saying that we need to totally stop judging people based on how we perceive them, I'm saying we moderate how we perceive people. If you're an alpha, don't automatically assume you're better than everyone else, and treat everyone you meet as thus. If you're an omega, don't automatically assume everyone's going to be an asshole to you. Don't make the negative assumption about people, let their actions do that for you. It's not just treating people how you want to be treated, but seeing people how you want to be seen. Don't automatically make attributions you wouldn't want others to make of you. When you do that, you can finally start living as a part of the system, and not against it.
#243 to #242 - fourtitwo (10/24/2013) [-]
And sorry for the wall of text :/
I actually ran out of characters xD
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