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whitemager **User deleted account** (01/26/2013) [-] i thought about this and it seems like the cat is just DEAD not alive and dead, nor alive, but just DEAD. if the emitter is emitting radiation, then a hammer breaks the glass containing poison gas, the radiation isn't stopped, it just makes the cat's death come quicker. can someone explain this?
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batleth (01/27/2013) [-]
and if you think that's absurd, well, that was Schronger's point. He was comparing this scenario of a cat being both alive and dead with the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics which states that quantum particles exist in all their possible states simultaneously, until they are observed. (when they're observed the superposition collapses and the object is forced into one of the states of its wave function)
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batleth (01/27/2013) [-]
There is a 50% chance that the radiation will be emitted. However, even if it is emitted, it does not directly harm the cat (it's only a small amount) but it does set off the hammer that breaks the glass releasing the poison.
So there is a 50% chance that the cat is alive, 50% chance that it's dead. Until someone opens the box and sees what happened, the two states are superimposed, making the cat both alive and dead at the same time.
So there is a 50% chance that the cat is alive, 50% chance that it's dead. Until someone opens the box and sees what happened, the two states are superimposed, making the cat both alive and dead at the same time.
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batleth (01/27/2013) [-]
It was Schrodinger's idea: "there is a tiny bit of radioactive substance, so small that perhaps in the course of the hour, one of the atoms decays, but also, with equal probability, perhaps none"
So you choose just the right amount of radioactive substance. This is necessary to create the whole 50/50 chance of it being alive or dead which he needed in order to prove his point.
So you choose just the right amount of radioactive substance. This is necessary to create the whole 50/50 chance of it being alive or dead which he needed in order to prove his point.
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sirswarlesbarkley (01/27/2013) [-]
But if the radiation is enough for the detector to recognize then the poison will be released killing the cat.
If the radiation is released but inst enough to set off the geiger counter that releases the poison then the cat will be alive.
It looks to be a(n) situation where the cat is 100% dead of 100% alive (but slowly dieing)
If the radiation is released but inst enough to set off the geiger counter that releases the poison then the cat will be alive.
It looks to be a(n) situation where the cat is 100% dead of 100% alive (but slowly dieing)
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seniorpokeman (01/27/2013) [-] I could be wrong, but I think the geiger count was set to go off an hour after it was set up.
An hour was probably the atoms half-life, (the mount of time it takes for half of the atoms in a radioactive material to become non-radioactive), but, if you're firmiliar wit half lives, they aren't really 100% accurate at determining how long it'll take for the atom to decay. There isn't actually an exact 50% chance of it happening, but he probably checked to mke sure that a certain amount of the material would decay in a certain aount of time.
An hour was probably the atoms half-life, (the mount of time it takes for half of the atoms in a radioactive material to become non-radioactive), but, if you're firmiliar wit half lives, they aren't really 100% accurate at determining how long it'll take for the atom to decay. There isn't actually an exact 50% chance of it happening, but he probably checked to mke sure that a certain amount of the material would decay in a certain aount of time.
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batleth (01/27/2013) [-]
What Schrodinger was trying to say was that the cat is either dead, or alive. Not both at the same time.
A cat being both dead and alive at the same time was, to him, just as absurd as a particle existing in all possible states at the same time (the Copenhagen interpretation).
A cat being both dead and alive at the same time was, to him, just as absurd as a particle existing in all possible states at the same time (the Copenhagen interpretation).
