Evolution

MFW people still discuss religion on the internet

I am quiet intrigued in stumbling upon this debate sir.

Don't argue with a fool, it will only bring you down to his level, and he will win out of experience

False, a fish does not neccesary evolve into a human, the progress of evolution is completely random.

Also in a very narrow and simple nuttshel. It went from first living beings, to chordates, then to tetrapods, to mammals, to primates, to hominidae and finally to homo. Not fish, dinosaurs, rats, monkeys, humans.

Implying this GIF is the complete representation of evolution. This GIF just kinda gives an example of how it is possible evolution is in no way like this.

Religion asks people to kill their first born son and get their father drunk and have sex with them. Show me the logic.

You certainly sound like a religious nut

You don't believe in anything yet choose to argue with what people believe in. Bitch be trippin'

Oh man where do i begin.

1. Unlike religion, science doesn’t work with beliefs – you take the facts supporting the theory and compare those with facts not supporting the theory. Then you decide if the theory is correct – or perhaps you should improve the theory, choose an alternate theory or scrap the whole thing altogether. You don't believe in evolution.

2. Religion is different from creationism, it is possible to believe in a god and accept evolution.

3. Evolutionist say that creationism is wrong because evolution is backed up with evidence while creationism is a falsified hypothesis.

4. You didn't question anything. You tried to insult it by completely taking it out of context and making false claims about it.

You didn't ask any questions, and no-one is butthurt lmfao :')

>I don't believe in creation
>I get HUGE FUCKING SHITSTORM, for saying a incorrect .gif is incorrect.

Logic?
NOPE

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Considering you haven't responded i can assume that you accept that my position is valid and yours is not?

That's not how evolution works bro.

Hell, they don't even remember what they had for breakfast.

Also have another.

Missed this.

Especially critical philosophers would argue everything requires belief, considering there is no flawless method to observing the world. Even what we glean from sight is relative and can be tempered by the brain's misinterpretations. There are many philosophers who have posed all of reality exists only for the individual. For all I know, you guys are just computer simulations and I'm the only individual with any true cognitive processes.

I'm going to go curl up in a ball now.

But as there is no evidence enough to make it a law that we did definitely, without a doubt came from bacteria, then it is a theory, and theories are believed in.

Also, you are the reason everyone hates anons.

Everything is a theory until it is proven.
It is a theory that we evolved from apes.
It is a fact that you have hemoglobin in your blood.
It is a theory that Arthur Leigh Allen was the Zodiac Killer.
It is a fact that Paul Bernardo was the Scarborough rapist.

Alrighty then... Believing in a god is based on believing and faith because there is zero proof, believeing in evolution is... well thats not really a thing in a real grown up conversation, its as much fact as the earth is round, the sun is warm and gravity exists.
People who dont ''believe'' in evolution could just as well sit and explain how they dont feel like believing that water is wet. Sure you can believe that... but that doesnt change the fact that evolution is nothing about believe, its there.

there is no 100% proof evolution is what made us, so its not just there. anyone that believes we came from primordial primates is just ignorant

OK children, lets have a nice conversation without name calling and slander.

Evolution today is seen as just as much as fact as the earth circles the sun.
That the earth circles the sun is a theory in it self and is not 100 % either, but thats how science works, if there comes a better theory that stands the test of time better then we have to change our assumptions, however these theories that we use now and is seen as fact, just like the earth is round and the existence of evolution all have so massive evidence that we consider them factual.
Well no, its not ignorant, ignorant would be not to educate yourself or not try to understand how things works.
There is massive evidence that explains how we as a species came into existence.

his name is "redneckhokage"
You should be 99% sure that he's just trying to troll you so just ignore him.

no trolling, its what i actually think

Evolution has evidence, God is non-testable. See the Difference?

Or people believe what ever the fuck they want.

Or I believe a mutant fish fell from the sky and evolved into an elephant which involved into a human.

Or, like me and most non-baptist christians that are not stuck in the middle ages mentaly, you believe in both.

yeah me too, but you don't see me posting a comment and using caps for attention...

caps lock is cruise control for awesome

"Cruise control for cool" get it right.

Me too, so what?

IS happening.

How come that you are a christian then?

I mean have you read the bible? God created Adam and Eve. Not microorganisms which evolved and then turned up to humans.

We all know Adam and Eve didn't happen

Omg.. For not being able to see that you were trolling. lol.

If you don't believe at least 60% of what the Bible says your not a Christian. If you however do believe some of it and in a God, then your a theist.

mfw

On a more serious note. Im athiest, and i believe that everyone has the right to believe in whatever they please. However, i would think that evolution would disprove god? He apparently created the world for humans, but why would he go through the punctuated equilibrium of evolution in order to create us? That doesnt make sense to me, please explain your thoughts.

Going to be pelted in red thumbs from angry christians

According to the bible, God created the universe for us, so of course he knew we were coming. What im confused about is why go through this elongated and gradual stages of evolution to do so? And on top of that create a world whos surface is 70% salt water

Yeah thats what i believe god gave us free will and if your a good person then you have as much chance as getting to haven as some very relgious person. I believe he does not dam someone on their beliefs but the action of their hearts. Hmm that is true it could disprove him. But like i said i believe god to be more of an architect figure, causing things to happen which create chain reactions, like the big bang he caused that but didn't create what happened after. So indirectly i believe he created man as i believe he gave the necessary surrondings for evoloution to succeed.

I thumbed you up

I was raised as a christian, but when i was 15 i started to question the ideology that was being preached by our local church, turned to the internet for extensive investigation after my religious teacher at school couldn't satisfactorily answer them. I live my life with good morals, not because if i dont some omnipotent being in the sky who already knows whether ill 'sin' or not will throw his 'loved child' into the fiery depths of hell, i live with good morales because i respect my fellow human being and entitlement to an enjoyable life.

Well good for... keep it up! we need more people like you

What are your definition of good morals? Those deemed by society as acceptable?

The way in which i would like to be treated.

I dislike the way Christians say that they take their morales from the bible, but when someone says oh we dont follow that part of the bible anymore, how do you make that decision whether to follow that moral code or not? That just proves we have some moral code embedded within us or something to that extent. Its this mental gymnastics that christians have with the bible is what i find such an incredible flaw in the foundation of christianity. Most of Genesis is rejected now, but its upon this chapter that the christian faith is built upon.

How do some christians agree with gays and some disagree with gays, yet in the bible which they all claim to follow clearly states in leviticus chapter Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination. If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them'

The way in which christians disregard parts of the book in which the entirety of what they believe in is based upon is beyond me. Yet Christians say where do atheists get their morals? This is such a hypocritical statement as where do christians get the morals in order to take some of the bible but not the whole thing as a away to live their lives.

Well, Jesus came and fufilled the old testament, and as soon as I find the verse that says it, I will send it to you. There is another verse that says something along the lines of we will ignore the old testament rules that aren't restated in the new testament, except for sexual immorality, drinking of the blood of animals, and human sacrifice.

Also, did you not learn what was right and wrong from your parents, and the laws from society? Not everyone can follow their own code, that's how we get serial killers and rapists.

Why would god make this long-ass chain reaction in order to get the end product (who are somehow special compared to all the other animals)?

It doesn't make any sense.
And evolution certainly disproves the genesis account in the bible, which forms the basis of the entire religion.

No original sin = no need for god/jesus

Fair point... but a lot of the bible is mis-matched so i can't necessarily say that genesis is correct perhaps an entire chapter relating to evolution was lost. All i feel is that there is a higher entity without a shadow of a doubt.

Errrr i believe god created man indirectly... i believe god is more of an architect and places things in the world which cause chain reactions. Like the big bang, i believe god caused it to happen but he did not control what happened after entirely... i am a christian because i believe in christ and heaven and stuff however... i think Science and religion could work together.I believe much science as i believe much religion. Science is cool for explaining things. Religion is cool for hoping things :) that is all i have to say :)

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I just don't understand how you can believe in something like that. I don't get it, what exactly is the point? Are you afraid of death? Do you need to know that there is someone better to go after death than just decomposing in the ground? If you believe God created the big bang and that evolution is one of his tools, what is the need for him? What is the purpose of this god? These things do not need an almighty creator.

Probably get red thumbs but I'm genuinely confused.

He's saying that evolution is a tool of god.

that is exactly what i meant thank you :)

You can be Christian without believing everything in the bible.

Doesn't the story of creation tell how original sin happened? Without the original sin, there's no fall. Without a fall, there's no need for redemption. With no need for redemption, there's no need for a redeemer. Seeing as Jesus is the redeemer, that pokes a bit of a hole in the entire basis of Christianity. This is why there are many religious people that reject evolution. About 43% of the United States population still reject evolution.

How do you decide what not to believe?

Don't ask me, I'm not Christian.

Then why would you say that?

Because it's true. I know a few people who are Christian but don't believe everything.
Hell, with all the bs in the bible, the only people who really believe all of it must be fucking retarded.

What do you consider B.S.?

Two of every animal in the world fitting on a boat springs to mind.
Everything about that story, actually.
Earth being 5000 years old.
The creation of life itself, in fact.
And half a dozen other things that we can now say for certain aren't true due to science.

I don't recall ever having said that god was all powerful, and if he was, he created the laws of physics, the least he can do is abide by them.
We as humanity know the Earth is older than that with a wide myriad of techniques, the most vague being common sense and the most specific being things like carbon dating.
We also know that humans weren't created as simply as the bible would have us believe, because we have fossils of animals that are, if you will, 'caught' between monkey and human, which no longer exist as animals today.

Don't you love how I get thumbed down for having a discussion? I never called you a fool or said you are wrong, I simply asked questions to receive answers. Luckily thumbs aren't important. Anyway, you can answer my questions if you want, or just move on if you are bored. I can always try and find information elsewhere.

Thumbs down = I disagree.
Apparently, the majority is on 'my side.'
A rare occurrence for me.

Or, you could just refute it. I disagree with you, but I thumbed you up for replying.

How many of the fossils do we have that you described? Also you didn't say that God being all powerful was B.S., so that's why I brought it up. Additionally, does God have to follow rules that apply to things that are not of a higher power?

We have plenty of fossils.
Get to your point

I believe the one thing that god gave us is freewill... no matter our choices... they are our choices and he won't condem you for not believing in him... in fact he probably would condem a religious man who did things wrong then an athiest who is a good person, because god hates hypocracy... i think...

No, we can't be saved by our works. Unless you happen to be a denomination that believes that.

Free will? Independent thought?

refer to the above comment

You have to be able to put things into perspective. The bible is a philosophy book, not a history book. The oldest stories in it are more than 2000 years old, there are going to be some errors. That doesn't diminish the philosophy of it though.

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did diddy do it?

I know, right!

im not mad o.o i like post's like this

Let's not forget the rest of the religions too, they don't believe in evolution either.

I like to think Wicca likes to belive in evolution. That religion has been changing for thousands of years as man grew smarter. For example. It focuses mainly on the goddess, cause at first there was only the goddess. That was because people thought that life came from women and women alone. Once we figured out that man was needed to help, they figured that a God must be helping the Goddess.

Yeah, I suppose you could argue that Wicca does, but I was mainly referring to the major religions.