Truth

Ever heard of the black market?........

Columbine.
Crime committed by a 17 and a 19 year old.
Pump action shotguns acquired through gun show.
13 dead, 24 injured.

But guess your right, stricter gun laws wouldn't change anything.

You seem to not be familiar with the all firearms used in the shooting, but yes pump shotguns were part of them. I still fail to see your point though by including their age and the fact of purchase at a gun show if it was a true legal purchase only the 19 year old would have been buying though. Even if they couldn't have legally bought them though like I said it wouldn't take much more for them to find even more effective firearms on a unrestricted black market.

Stricter gun laws and more people would of died, they had bombs just didint work on them as much because they got guns, the bombs were in the supports to the cafeteria, if even one had gone off 400 or more people would have died.

Those guns were purchased legally... so, what is your point?

Wait, I actually have to explain this? I'll try to use short words then.
If gun laws were stricter...(still with me?)...it would be harder to buy guns, so crazy people have a harder time killing not-crazy people.

Follow this: The crazy people DID NOT buy the guns, and the people who LEGALLY (following strict laws) bought the guns did not shoot anyone. Stricter gun control would stop NOTHING.

So, if guns were not allowed to be owned by the public, they would have just materialized in the hands of the kids, thanks for your insight.

Guns don't fall down from the firearms gods, oh brilliant one. They are made. They can be made. And those kids would have found a way to their damage,no matter what.

No, now you're just pulling opinions out of your arse. While I can't deny it's possible they might have got them, it would have been far less likely with actual gun control. Sure they made IED's as well, and would have killed with only those if that's what their options were, but the point I'm attempting to convey is not that Columbine could have been avoided/stopped with better laws, but rather that supplying the public with arms to defend themselves, while at the same time supplying the ones they need to defend themselves from with weapons, is either an unashamed money spinning ploy or just plain fucking stupid.

where can one find black markets?

i've never seen one around here

Black market is a thing, not a place. If anyone went into the right place at the right time anyone could get a firearm used in an illegal deal of some sort.

But if you remove guns from the law abider's you leave them defenseless.
If I had all my guns taken away like 80% of America we would lose our global edge! Most countries never invaded us was because so many of us are armed!!

then where do these illegal guns come from?

illegal domestic factories?

having stricter gun control means having less guns in circulation, which means less guns in the hands of criminals too.

if you remove guns from the public, you get a tame, subdued people.. a people unwilling and incapable of rising up against authority.

america has the biggest army in the world, spending shitloads on rockets, missiles,... your puny .45 is really making a difference to those (i wouldn't even know who could invade the us... canada?) willing to invade you..

I'd like to refer you to WWII, where the only reason Japan DID NOT invade us is because there was a CIVILIAN rifle behind every blade of grass.

i'd like to refer you to modern times

Give me 10 minutes and the will to make a gun and I can make some pretty big wholes!

true, why not use one of those to rob a bank? because guards have guns which are better designed than yours, that have better accuracy and longer range.

if criminals did drive-bys with homemade guns, there'd be no casualties...

range and accuracy mean nothing when it comes to a matter of intimidation. all it takes is a couple of shots to incite a shitstorm, even if they don't involve casualties.

i thought this was a matter of safety, not intimidation?

and if homemade weapons are so effectively intimidating, why not use them against "crazy people"?

but we're going off subject...
THERE WILL BE LESS ILLEGAL GUNS IF GUN CONTROL IS STRICTER

anyone trying to refute that is just an idiot

Yeah, you're totally right. Criminals always follow laws.