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the world has some hope left. wow....... Now how about we post some pictures of the innocent middle eastern families whose lives were torn apart by a war they didn't start? How about pictures of their

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#24 - salari

Reply+161

(09/18/2012)[-]

Now how about we post some pictures of the innocent middle eastern families whose lives were torn apart by a war they didn't start? How about pictures of their destroyed homes, mutilated children or brutalized women?

No, they don't matter, do they? Because they weren't under the superstition that they were going out to protect their country, when in fact they were just securing business interests at the cost of human lives.

This pseudo-patriotic ******** really pisses me off; people act like these soldiers are going out to fight for a worthwhile cause, but they're not, it's a futile war where the real victims are the ones whose home turf is being used as a battlefield. Dying or being maimed for a false cause doesn't make you a hero, it makes you a victim.

Thumb this down if you want, I know it's contrarian, but some people really need to open their eyes as to what's actually happening in the world.

#1406 to #24 - tennisgoalie

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(09/19/2012)[-]

Are you ******* retarded? this has NOTHING to do with the war AT ALL. this is just saying that the poster's (along with mine and many other's) faith in humanity was restored because the woman stayed with her man even though he had all four limbs blown off. That man could be of any ethnicity, from anywhere in the world and could have lost his limbs in literally ANY manner and the reaction (for me at least) would be the EXACT SAME

#1324 to #24 - hauntzor

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(09/19/2012)[-]

^ This ****

I wish I had the courage to say what you just did, but of course I live in the Midwest where the military is practically revered on the same pedestal as Christ Himself and I would only get called a "commie" or some ****.

#1550 to #24 - kaboomz#12 on commentsRank#12

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(09/19/2012)[-]

#1595 to #24 - anon id: f6646436

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(10/26/2012)[-]

YEAH! because a man who has lost his limbs and his wife still stays with him is TOTALLY promoting war.

Yeah, nah, you're a ******* idiot.

#1543 to #24 - JamesCraft

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(09/19/2012)[-]

#1533 to #24 - tenminutevision

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(09/19/2012)[-]

**** YEAH, POLITICS.

#1512 to #24 - anon id: 6a9eaeaa

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(09/19/2012)[-]

were not in there just tearing **** up. iraq is run by war lords. the government has no say. the warlords are pissed at us because of us infiltrating for oil and because of western society and other things we've done that theyre not happy about. they pay terrorists to **** with us. also the terrorists are fighting us because some are radical muslims. they go in and blow up innocent people us. we are there to protect ourselves from the warlords and radical muslims. we are also protecting the innocent people that are being terrorized by these muslims. we are basically martial law with an oil incentive right now

#1545 to #1512 - salari

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(09/19/2012)[-]

You keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep at night. Bear in mind that while people believe that the 3,000 lives lost due to 9/11 were worth going to war for, it's cost 5,000 more lives of US troops to fight that war. Worth it? I think not.

#1477 to #24 - lolollo#369 on commentsRank#369

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(09/19/2012)[-]

Oh look, more naive libertarian douchebags are ranting on about how all soldiers are baby killing monsters who don't deserve the time of day. I thought your kind died off with the rest of the hippies in the late 1970s.

So why don't you go ahead and share with the rest of the class what sort of sacrifices YOU had to make to achieve whatever level of success you may or may not have?

#1546 to #1477 - salari

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(09/19/2012)[-]

You don't have to be involved in war or be a soldier to make a commentary on war; Christopher HItchens and Gore Vidal have both written at length on conflict, received praise for their work, and neither of them have been in a war, so does that invalidate what they say? That's like saying a jury can't judge a criminal unless they've committed a crime themselves. So if I can't comment on war, then YOU shouldn't be able to comment on war. Tell me what sacrifices YOU have made?

Also, you have a skewed definition of what libertarianism actually is; if I was a libertarian, that would mean that I would believe in defense of personal property without government intervention, a definition far removed from what I said.

And you don't have to be a "hippy" to disagree with war, you only have to be a human being. Think war's worth it? Tell the guy in the picture, or the hundreds of soldiers who committed suicide after returning from duty due to untreated PTSD, I'm sure their families would love to hear you tell them that.

#1552 to #1546 - lolollo#369 on commentsRank#369

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(09/19/2012)[-]

Well for one, I actually went ahead and signed on for the military, went through the necessary training, and and currently waiting to deploy with my unit.

But you go ahead and keep making assumptions about all of the people that you meet and talk to. I'm sure you'll get one of them right.

Also, what makes people like Hitchens and Vidal able to talk is that they have a bit more experience than what they're apathetic history teacher taught them about Vietnam in High School. I know you love seeing yourself as though you're lumped in with these respectable intellectuals, but when your only sacrifice is that you're having pseudo debates on internet humor sites...just...you're embarrassing yourself.

#1554 to #1552 - salari

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(09/19/2012)[-]

Okay, so you're allowed to make various assumptions about me, yet all of a sudden, you're in the military?

That's the nice thing about the internet, I never pretended to be something I can't prove. You did.

And criticizing me for having "pseudo debates" on an internet humour site? You're on the same ship, you just happen to be on your high horse.

#1562 to #1554 - lolollo#369 on commentsRank#369

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(09/19/2012)[-]

Your best response is"NUH UH!"? Seriously?

You are incredibly bad at this.

#1437 to #24 - anon id: cdd26f49

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(09/19/2012)[-]

stfu salari

#1414 to #24 - ryanwilson

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(09/19/2012)[-]

for ***** sake man i dont give a **** if hes a u.s. soldier or not this is ******* awesome. Respect this man not for the war he fought for our country but for the war he fought mentally and physically for himself and his family. Overcoming a loss like that is simply insane.

#1331 to #24 - ronnorc

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(09/19/2012)[-]

We would, but its hard to get them to pose for a picture when they want to tear your head off over a ****** Youtube video.

#1301 to #24 - heartlessrobot#129 on commentsRank#129

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(09/19/2012)[-]

Well, I'm with you on this, but I'm still joining the army to pay for college. Probably a dumb **** move, but I'm not exactly rolling in cash, and I hate taking out loans.

#1311 to #1301 - salari

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(09/19/2012)[-]

Honestly, I sympathize with you, and wish you the best of luck. Frankly it's unfair that due to the state of higher education and its rising costs in the US that you have to join the army just to afford college. Then again, it's a country that invests more in defense than its own citizens. Just do yourself a favour and completely ignore the 'for profit' colleges; they're a complete scam and have an obscenely high drop-out rate.

Try and find a desk job with them, it's not worth putting your neck on the line.

#1557 to #1311 - heartlessrobot#129 on commentsRank#129

Reply0

(09/19/2012)[-]

Well, with my eyes and just flat out ****** genetics I'd probably get stuck in Intelligence.

#1481 to #1311 - lolollo#369 on commentsRank#369

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(09/19/2012)[-]

You know what else he can do? He can join on in the medical field as a nurse, and later on develop a career saving lives out of it, like my mother did. Or he can do what I did and join as a medic, where I can learn the same basic life saving principles my mom did without blowing myself full force into the medical field. Both of us have the military to thank for the ability to now be competent when it comes to emergency situations. We're not one of the staring public wondering what to do when **** happens. The military did that.

Or am I still a mindless monster?

#1133 to #24 - playcolt

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(09/18/2012)[-]

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#1483 to #993 - lolollo#369 on commentsRank#369

Reply0

(09/19/2012)[-]

Dude, you're making the military look bad. That's the kind of **** they feed people in a satirical war movie to raise volunteering rates.

#1280 to #1113 - salari

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(09/19/2012)[-]

And yet in the US, polls have showed that 90% of people wouldn't elect an athiest. They'd rather have someone who's Christian, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim (yes, Muslim), Hindu, Mormon or even a Scientologist (yes, even them). The US puts thiesm on a pedestal just as much as middle eastern countries do. The Qur'an states that images of Muhammad are blasphemy, and punishable by death, they are following their law. Just like the majority of US states are following the supposed law of the Christian bible in saying that homosexuality is a sin, therefore they can't get married (which it doesn't actually say anywhere in the bible clearly).

They have their laws, we have ours. Once again, we are not at liberty to impose upon anyone else's ideology, especially when it's not a threat to our own.

#1592 to #608 - dzarumimeni

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(10/14/2012)[-]

Im from the middle east :)

#1309 to #728 - salari

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(09/19/2012)[-]

No, setting up alliances with said nations then leaving it to its own devices and disassociating itself with it is what brought on the discord between the nations. Dr Frankenstein created the monster, and he shouldn't be surprised if it turns on him.

And think of how Islam is actually portrayed in the media, how it's been portrayed since 9/11, like a demonic cult, where the truth is, it's not. It's the fundamentalism within, a microcosm of individuals, possibly around the same number of people of fundamentals that exist in other major religions. Not only that, threatening the ideology only causes a RAISE in fundamentalism; people who face oppression seek strength, and fundamentalists preach that they can offer that strength. This is more a war of conflicting religious ideologies than it is for actual freedom, except whilst those in the east see it as that, the west sees it as a means of gaining an empiric hold on the world, and securing its own interests.

And those people who say the 3,000 who died in 9/11 are good enough reason to go to war? How about the 5,000 and counting troops who've died in the wars? And for what? Nothing.

#1248 to #155 - subsonix

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(09/19/2012)[-]

ENGLISH ************, DO YOU SPEAK IT?!

#1372 to #155 - varrlegrimscythe

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(09/19/2012)[-]

فقدت لكم اللعبة

#1362 to #155 - varrlegrimscythe

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(09/19/2012)[-]

"But what if Iraq does not combine terrorism create stools."

#1131 to #777 - rockamekishiko

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(09/18/2012)[-]

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#1136 to #58 - BerserkIdiot

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(09/18/2012)[-]

they may not have the choice of who to fight, but they can opt out of fighting completely...unless there's a draft, but that would only piss even more people off

#1225 to #58 - turkeypatty

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(09/19/2012)[-]

why fight for something at all if you aren't even sure of what it represents? soldiers should know what the hell they get into before they sign their lives away for some war they don't even know anything about. if they don't know what the war is even for, then they must not have looked very hard before putting themselves and others lives on the lines for it.

#1247 to #1225 - minorepiphany

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(09/19/2012)[-]

I don't think you know what they are thinking when they sign up. I think a lot of soldiers are thinking that they could join the army to make things easier for them when it's time to go to college. Yes there are people who sign up because they want to fight, but most soldiers are terrified of going to war but they still do it. So, before you say anything again think about what you are about to say before you say it.

#1539 to #1247 - turkeypatty

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(09/19/2012)[-]

"a lot of soldiers are thinking that they could join the army to make things easier for them when it's time to go to college"
If you're willing to make such a drastic life decision just for the money that it entails, then I don't think you really deserve my empathy. Most of these guys are "selling their souls" and values by participating in some false war for something so trivial as money to get them through college.
These politicians may be the brains of any operations going on in the Middle east, but these soldiers have volunteered themselves to be the limbs. They should know what they're doing out there, or else they shouldn't be doing anything.

#1563 to #1539 - minorepiphany

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(09/20/2012)[-]

Yes, that is true, but out of the around 1 million soldiers in our army, there is maybe 50-100,000 actually going to war. The bulk of our army doesn't even go over to Afghanistan or Iraq. If I joined the army, it would be for the experience as well as help for college. But I would also join knowing full well that I could go to war, even if I don't want to. There is a lot to gain from joining the army but there is also a lot of risks, and I think most soldiers would think it out for a very long time, probably for years, before they join up. They might not agree but that doesn't mean they don't know what they are getting in to.

#1564 to #1563 - turkeypatty

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(09/20/2012)[-]

i think that it's a very big decision on someone's part if they were to choose to possibly kill or die for a cause, even if the chances of that happening are slim and the rewards are plenty. by enlisting in the army, they contribute their lives to that cause, whatever it may be. I think that when you make that kind of commitment to something that you should damn well know what the cause is, and if you're willing to pledge yourself over to it in exchange for some financial assurance.

#1273 to #1225 - fyaq

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(09/19/2012)[-]

alot of soldiers join because their fathers served and they admire them.
also theres alot of people with no other choice, decent pay and benefits for their families is sometimes too hard to pass up.

#1540 to #1273 - turkeypatty

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(09/19/2012)[-]

Unfortunately, today's soldiers are not fighting for the same thing as their grandfathers were. They may think and hope that they are, but it just takes a little bit of attention and analysis to figure out that things are much much worse now.
Those soldiers that are enticed by the money are in understandable situations, but they understood what they signed up for when they enlisted into the military. we worship every infantryman that gets injured, even though it's just part of this "war" that they volunteered to be a part of.
It's sad and it doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but it's just how it is.

#1203 to #58 - supersaiyandragons

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(09/18/2012)[-]

I completely agree
my father served in the army and survived Afganistan. I told him I hated the army and war and he slapped me across the face. He told me to never hate those whose job is to protect the ones who don't have to die in their place. He told me that it is true that war is bad and people do die, but war is just failed diplomacy. If the politicians cannot compromise then war is inevitable. He then told me to try to pick up a gun and take someones life and if you didn't somone you love dies. These are the decisions people should wander about.

Make no doubt that war is terrible, but sometimes you gotta act when diplomacy gets you no where

#1515 to #1203 - thessalonaki

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(09/19/2012)[-]

Reminds me of a quote that I believe General Patton said:

"Any soldier worth his salt should be anti-war"

#1541 to #58 - anon id: e2ca1eb9

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(09/19/2012)[-]

The first time an oppinion mattered in the internett.

#1142 to #58 - scotlandspie

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(09/18/2012)[-]

on the other hand, with every conflict an army enters there are always soldiers that support what the military is doing. There are always soldiers that act like they own the place too.

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#1327 to #419 - hauntzor

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(09/19/2012)[-]

POLITICIANS HIDE THEMSELVES AWAY
THEY ONLY STARTED THE WAR
WHY SHOULD THEY GO OUT TO FIGHT?
THEY LEAVE THEIR ROLE TO THE POOR

YEAHH

#1117 to #410 - assrumps

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(09/18/2012)[-]

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#1260 to #847 - nuclearnacho

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(09/19/2012)[-]

I wish I had that guy slowly clapping for this situation...

#1544 to #847 - lufieh

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(09/19/2012)[-]

You stupid ass clown, where the **** did I point out that the military should be reduced to a base minimum? And why the **** would I be in favour of military welfare queens but not ******* and spics? I despise all, and that's probably the only issue I side with Romney with.

On top of that, the pic is astutely correct that they haven't done ******** ever since WW2 in protecting us. Rather than being corporate and banking tools, they ceased to be useful to the ordinary citizen. I have every right to be mad because MY taxes pay for all the useless military expenditures, while the corporations reap the profits.

Nice strawman, you pseudo-patriotic faggot.

#1548 to #1544 - revanthewin

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(09/19/2012)[-]

You did kind of have that vibe in the picture when you told people in the military to get a job, in this situation, you are in favor of people on welfare because you're complaining about people in the military getting money but you didn't say anything about them, and just because there hasn't been anyone stupid enough to invade America doesn't mean we don't need to have a military.

But please, go ahead and keep making the same argument over and over again. Redundant explanation helps get my brain working in the morning.

#1283 to #710 - fyaq

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(09/19/2012)[-]

#35 - pepemex

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(09/18/2012)[-]

What hope? Losing your limbs for nothing?

#37 to #35 - jasonthelurker

Reply+73

(09/18/2012)[-]

I have to agree. He signed himself up to be a chess piece for these ****** wars. I have to give the girl credit though. She stayed by her man when he most needed it whereas I've only ever heard of women cheating on men and dumping them when they've entered the service.

#57 to #37 - metired

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(09/18/2012)[-]

I think that is the whole ******* point.. Not that he went to war...

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#49 to #37 - anon id: d1716701

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(09/18/2012)[-]

GIVE THE ******* GUY CREDIT TO, ya know if it wasnt for people like him wed all be ******

#51 to #49 - anon id: f2d98242

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(09/18/2012)[-]

Not really..

#229 to #37 - reimaro

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(09/18/2012)[-]

Well have you concidered that the guy needed the money to support his wife and kid...I dont see whats so bad in that. Thats the reason many of the guys go there. That does not mean they like killing or support the wars and all that stuff.

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#173 - skwigelf

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(09/18/2012)[-]

#31 - mixxu

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(09/18/2012)[-]

He's more machine now than man...

#66 to #31 - slikmonkey

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(09/18/2012)[-]

#423 - bonersoup

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(09/18/2012)[-]

we can rebuild him, we have the technology

#427 to #423 - misterjollie

Reply+49

(09/18/2012)[-]

But we don't want to spend a lot of money.

#15 - sevensixtwo

Reply+48

(09/18/2012)[-]

This is awesome... lets get a round of applau-
we should at least shake his ha-
he can walk it off-
shes twice the man he is.
im going to hell.
inb4 red thumbs- my brother did three tours in iraq and two in afghan, hes got his share of **** missing. i love these guys and i appreciate his service.

#1547 to #15 - wasntjustarash

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(09/19/2012)[-]

******* LOL

#563 - Loppytaffy

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(09/18/2012)[-]

Actually cried.

#119 - arandomanon

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(09/18/2012)[-]

Wow that girl must be one of the best persons ever. Most of people I know would run and leave the poor guy rather than helping him to get over his wounds. She has all of my respect and admiration

#121 to #119 - arandomanon

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(09/18/2012)[-]

Besides of the strength of the guy too.. I wouldn't be able to bear with that

#968 to #119 - anon id: ba492f5e

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(09/18/2012)[-]

Society has come to the point where common decency is applauded.

#1329 to #968 - anon id: 73c74ff3

Reply0

(09/19/2012)[-]

I didn't consider that.
What a scary thought.

#39 - jasonthelurker

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(09/18/2012)[-]

"We can rebuild him, we have the technology."

#650 - extremezone

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(09/18/2012)[-]

Gentlemen, we can rebuild him. We have the technology. We have the cabability the make the first bionic man. He will be better than he was before; better, stronger, faster.

#651 to #650 - lordhasta

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(09/18/2012)[-]

I NEVER ASKED FOR THIS

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