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Skyrim vs New Vegas. 4chan needs to chill, both are great games. New Vegas does have a lot more freedom, though. If Fallout 4 makes every other character essent

4chan needs to chill, both are great games. New Vegas does have a lot more freedom, though. If Fallout 4 makes every other character essential like Skyrim did, I'm gonna cry (not really, only on the inside). You don't know pain until you finally get fed up with Maven Black-Briar's **** only to find out she's essential.

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#1 - kameken (10/31/2015) [-]
"Well I had fun so it's good"

Is... Is that not valid?

It is a game.
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User avatar #30 to #1 - mattdoggy (10/31/2015) [-]
Someone post the guy arguing that fun is just a buzzword
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User avatar #31 to #1 - theblargypargler (10/31/2015) [-]
Well people are trying to lead plebs to the light. Sure, they enjoy Skyrim, but they might enjoy a better game in the series much more.
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User avatar #35 to #1 - loopzoop (11/01/2015) [-]
It's not valid to elitists.
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#47 to #1 - astaltr (11/01/2015) [-]
Well there is a distinction between something being fun, and something being critically good. For instance I can honestly say that I had a lot of fun watching Troll 2, but I would never try to argue that it's as good as Sunset Boulevard. And Skyrim is a fun game for a lot of people, but looking at it critically it falls short mechanically, story wise and in the ability to role-play on comparison to a lot of other games in it's genre.
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#49 to #47 - astaltr (11/01/2015) [-]
But of course that doesn't invalidate your personal experience with it, because that's something that exists before the critical process and it's perfectly fair to say you had fun with a game and that be that, because that fun is your sensory experience with the game and needs neither rhyme nor reason to be true.
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#53 to #1 - anon (11/01/2015) [-]
If that's all that matters then the terms "Good" and "Bad" are completelt worthless, either have standards or don't but if you choose not to then don't complain whne quality drops. I see the typos, I don't care.
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#2 to #1 - anon (10/31/2015) [-]
Some people like to eat excrements.
Does it make excrements good for eating?
They are still excrements.
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User avatar #3 to #2 - kameken (10/31/2015) [-]
But an excrement's purpose isn't to be eaten.
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#5 to #3 - anon (10/31/2015) [-]
The same way Bethesda games are not meant to be played.
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#21 to #1 - europe (10/31/2015) [-]
No, because even the ********* games out there have people that absolutely adore the games
Also, a lot of people mistake a lack of being bored to death with actually having fun
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#42 to #21 - anon (11/01/2015) [-]
I was bored with new vegas, was I actually having fun?
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User avatar #7 to #1 - trapposternohomo (10/31/2015) [-]
Not if you look at the game objectively

Compare it to it's predacessor and I got less game that was more hyped up lol
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User avatar #8 to #7 - kameken (10/31/2015) [-]
I'm not altogether certain you know exactly what objective means.
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User avatar #9 to #8 - trapposternohomo (10/31/2015) [-]
- Less content
- Dungeons are all essentially the same thing with the same enemies
- Being a demigod has never been easier
- Plot was nothing special
- YOU'LL NEVER HEAR THE SAME VOICE TWICE
- Less stats, weapon types, complete removal of attributes all for the sake of "appealing to a larger audience"

Anyone who ever tells me Skyrim is a good game, tells me it's their first elder scrolls or that it's just a fun game. I get no other answer. No one has ever actually put into words why the game is so fun or worthy of a 10/10
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User avatar #36 to #9 - ariplayer (11/01/2015) [-]
while skyrim wasn't particularly great it was definitely a good game.

while skyrim lacks an interesting story line, it has more "late game" content than oblivion;
-being able to smith my own weapons and armor instead of having to find them just made the game way more enjoyable for me, because i just always play warrior types.
-the monsters, at higher levels, were straight dope af in skyrim. it also felt as if it had more unique "boss fights" (Ebony warrior, karstaag, miraak, Durnevhiir, etc etc)
-the thing that really made the difference for me were the underground dwarven cities. i just remember the first time i descended down to blackreach and found out a lot of the dwarven cities were connected. The whole ayleid thing just felt nowhere near the dwarven cities. they just felt so bland and colorless in retrospect compared to the impressive dwarven steam machines and falmer/dwarven steam enemies.
-about the caves/dungeons: yes, they're copy-pasted, but so are caves in oblivion. both games have obvious exceptions but both the caves from skyrim and from oblivion just felt lacking in general.
-dual wielding. i ******* loved it. it was OP as **** , but i still ******* loved it.
-last but not least, PERKS. the skyrim perk tree IMO made up for the lack of attributes.
although it took away from the original elder scrolls vibe, yes i agree on that one, it gave the player more freedom to switch from play-style. the attribute system just didn't allow the player to play the game any differently than the skills/attributes they chose in the beginning. meaning that a warrior play-through couldn't really become a sneak-thief midway or a mage, because it would just take too long to level up and you would've had the wrong birth-sign, etc etc. while in skyrim you can, in the late game at least, reset your perks and play totally differently than you did a day ago, which makes the game more enjoyable on the first play-through.

another thing worth noticing is the dlcs. IMVHO skyrim dlcs > Oblivion dlcs.
the only dlc worth mentioning on oblivion was shivering isles. although i have to admit that shivering isles was just absolutely amazing and homesick-worthy. but the dragonborn DLC for skyrim, which imo atleast rivals shivering isles wasnt the only good dlc: dawnguard was decent at the very least, and hearthfire was fun and gave the game a twist.

inb4 massive red sea because i legitimately enjoyed skyrim and actually prefer it over oblivion. (not morrowind though, that **** was on another level)
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User avatar #37 to #36 - trapposternohomo (11/01/2015) [-]
I don't care if you like skyrim, as long as you post points that are actually thought out and isn't just "lel I liked it so it's good"

That's not an arguement. What you just posted is an argument, something I can get behind and even if I don't agree, you can defend the game you enjoy
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User avatar #38 to #37 - ariplayer (11/01/2015) [-]
thats a good way of thinking. although i wonder what you thought of my arguments and whether or not you agree with a few.
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User avatar #39 to #36 - trapposternohomo (11/01/2015) [-]
I think smithing was a great addition, I liked making armour and going out and looking for ores

I can't talk about high level monsters, I dropped the game before I reached a higher level, nor the dwarven citites, but they looked straight out of oblivion, really reminded me of Ayleid ruins when i saw them at a friends place

I don't feel like the caves were lacking because there was more than caves. I remember after 120 hours of playing, I was wandering around a forest in oblivion and found some abandoned town with some scripture in the church, which surprised me that there was still something I didn't know about

Duel Wielding was another thing I would've loved in Oblivion

I don't think the perk tree really made up for attributes. All the offensive perks were "do more damage" and the defensive perks were "take less damage when wearing this armour type"

I don't think you should be so versatile in a playthrough. I'm a warrior. I shouldn't be able to suddenly be a mage. I shouldn't be suddenly well versed in bows. It's what bothered me in Mass Effect 2, that you could use any gun you wanted too, where in ME1, if I was an infiltrator, if I used an assault rifle, I might as well have just handed myself to the geth.

Shivering Isles was damn good, Knight of the Nine was too much work for armour I could lose by accidentally stealing.

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User avatar #40 to #39 - ariplayer (11/01/2015) [-]
its a shame you dropped skyrim so fast, for me it became fun AFTER the story line, when you're out killing **** and fighting dope stuff. and the dlcs are actually really good. dragonborn dlc is very akin to the blood-moon dlc from morrowind. and dawnguard adds a lot too.

to me the perk system and the ability to switch on the go was better, because i had played Runescape for way too long. basically a grinding game where you can level up anything with no restrictions.
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User avatar #11 to #9 - kameken (10/31/2015) [-]
I never said it was worthy of a 10/10. Though Arena was my first of the series, My favorite is Daggerfall because of all the ******* around you can do. Skyrim is about on par with Morrowind for me, because while the latter has more to do it gets dreadfully boring real quick after you've done a few key things. And, again, liking a game because you have fun playing it is absolutely valid, even if you can't put to words why. Denying that is just retarded.

And I'm sure you'd put your first ES game as #1 as well.
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#18 to #11 - anon (10/31/2015) [-]
>"Skyrim is about on par with Morrowind for me"
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#16 to #11 - anon (10/31/2015) [-]
Enjoying yourself1 =/= The game was good

I could **** a syphilitic hooker while on Charlie Sheen level crack. It might feel so good that I have an aneurism mid-orgasm. Doesn't mean it was objectively good. There'd a huge difference.

Skyrim had one quest line per guild plus the main story, then a ******** of "kill the Draugr/Dwemer, get me a mcguffin, come back" quests. You can have fun running through dungeons turning the same ****** puzzle 18 times, beating up slightly bigger dudes, but it doesn't make it good gameplay. Hell, even the guild quests were completable at level 2 and totally linear. It was a bad game, whether or not you had fun
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User avatar #56 to #16 - iexs (11/01/2015) [-]
Let me show you something.

www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/?
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User avatar #12 to #11 - trapposternohomo (10/31/2015) [-]
You can't actually do that though. That doesn't fly anywhere but circlejerks on why the game is good. If I write an article saying something is good but my only point is "I had fun", that doesn't make it good. I had fun with Sonic 06, but that game is an abomination and I'd never give it more than probably a 3/10.

You can't use the word good here. Good implies there are positive qualities, and in this case, that those qualities are similar or better than even Oblivion or Morrowind. Skyrim is a downgrade in so many places except for graphical quality. I'd have a hard time giving skyrim anything higher than a 6/10 when it did a lot of taking away instead of bringing in.

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User avatar #55 to #9 - iexs (11/01/2015) [-]
Okay, I'll give you some reasons I like Skyrim

- Landscapes are amazing

- The story was good In my opinion

- Amazing community and mods

- Huge map

- Oodles of **** to explore

- Neat DLC

- Tons of great side quests Even if you have to sift through ****** fetch quests

- Interesting Holds

I could probably go on but I don't really want to, but there's a few reasons I liked the game.

The game does have ******** of flaws though. like most bethesda games

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User avatar #14 to #9 - iexs (10/31/2015) [-]
Just because it's not as good as the others doesn't mean people can't like it. It's a decent game with flaws that can be fixed with mods.
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User avatar #25 to #14 - europe (10/31/2015) [-]
He never said people couldn't like it
Saying that Skyrim is 'good' in comparison however is ridiculous
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User avatar #20 to #14 - trapposternohomo (10/31/2015) [-]
Thats not an arguement, you can like the game, but don't have your only defense "I like it"

That's not an arguement, you can't write an essay with your only point "I liked it"
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User avatar #10 to #9 - trapposternohomo (10/31/2015) [-]
I actually get hyped to play skyrim occasionally. I think "damn, the game looks very pretty, it looks so nice and I want to give it another chance" and then I play it.

It just feels so underwhelming, and I can tell this game wasn't made for me. It was made for to appeal to my friends down the road who don't play video games as much as I do, so that they can get more money and get to say they made the best RPG ever when I can play a game from the late 90s or early 2000s with considerably more character, story and depth.
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User avatar #29 to #7 - ILIEKPEPSEE ONLINE (10/31/2015) [-]
Objectively, the game is lacking in a lot of the freedoms you'd come to expect from this type of game

Subjectively, I enjoyed it anyway, despite that, albeit having less replay value than if those freedoms were there.

I still sunk a thousand hours into skyrim, on console, no less (means no mods), but now it's completely played out for me.
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User avatar #15 to #1 - iexs (10/31/2015) [-]
"No because I didn't like it which means it's bad"
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#6 - njall (10/31/2015) [-]
At least we have the modding community.
Althought they tried to kill it.
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User avatar #22 to #6 - europe (10/31/2015) [-]
There's only so much a mod can do
Even after all this time there's not a single mod out there that actually makes the combat fun.
Plenty make it more difficult but hey, choosing a ****** weapon would've given me the same result
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User avatar #23 to #22 - njall (10/31/2015) [-]
Agree, but there are some people out there who put a lot of effort in making it a good game.

"Ordinator", for example. The author of this mod completely remade the perk system, it went from arround 200 original perks to 400+.

Now you at least you have different playstyles on the same skill tree, not just 3 ******* stupid pasive differences that you don't even notice while you are playing.

Check it our if you feel like it:
www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/68425/?
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#34 - lamarsmithgot (11/01/2015) [-]
lol the opening of skyrim did kinda strike me as retarded

>dude goes running off
>everybody just watches
>nobody reacts in the slightest, or makes any move to chase him
>finally legionnaire woman (lolwut) yells "aRCHERS"
>one dude fires one shot and it kills him instantly
>mfw
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#19 - anon (10/31/2015) [-]
Skyrim was fine, but it was a very watered down Elder Scrolls game and felt ultimately very underwhelming when you look back on it.
I had fun while I was playing Skyrim, and like all Bethesda games mods improved it a lot, but looking back I have more good memories of dicking around in the cities of Oblivion than ever got from the whole Skyrim experience.
I just hope they don't do the same watering down with Fallout 4.
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#26 to #19 - lankyman (10/31/2015) [-]
I agree they watered it down to a thin paste and it could have been so much more
But the developers still know what the Elder Scrolls runs on:
Exploration and wonder
and bugs and glitches
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#27 - nejmles (10/31/2015) [-]
Morrowind had a vast world that was worth exploring.
Oblivion had great quests and stories.
Skyrim has... hmm some minor improvements, like magic, dualwield, perks, ez to mod but the content is **** and even mods cannot fix that.
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#50 to #27 - nekolacek ONLINE (11/01/2015) [-]
The Elder Scrolls games always had retarded combat system that was boring and stupid.... ****** RNG hit chances in Morrowind, oh god, the nightmares

Downthumb me all you want because i didnt praise Morrowind to the heavens
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User avatar #4 - masteroffj (10/31/2015) [-]
That really is the problem with essential though it kills immersion in both nv fo3 and skyrim
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#17 to #4 - funpunk [OP](10/31/2015) [-]
Yeah, but in New Vegas characters were almost never essential. You could just dick around, killing leaders of entire factions and the game wouldn't try to stop you.
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User avatar #43 - creamymcgee (11/01/2015) [-]
>4chan needs to chill
What? People can't have their opinions about a half baked game?
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User avatar #32 - RyanTheLeet (10/31/2015) [-]
>games should be treated as an art form
>all it needs to be good is for me to have fun

>EA's Battlefront is objectively **** because they gave up quite a lot of variety
>it doesn't matter that the next Elder Scrolls/Fallout dumps major features and screws up the RP aspect because I still like it

>we were lied to with the bait and switch graphics of Watch_Dogs
>come on guys Todd never really lied

>you should never trust a company with pre-orders and season passes because every trailer and showcase only gives the good and never the bad
>everybody look the Pip-Boy edition is in-stock for us to pre-order and don't forget about the excluded season pass that has no details about the DLC

FJ goes beyond hypocrisy and starts to doublethink whenever a new Elder Scrolls or Fallout game gets announced. With mods they become amazing, but the product that we buy has been in steady decline for almost a decade or more if you're going to get into Daggerfall vs Morrowind.
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#28 - anon (10/31/2015) [-]
I read this and started to get a little irritated, but I'm finally coming to realize-there's no reason to care. If some other dudes get a stick up their bum about a game I liked, that isn't gonna stop me from liking it. If they don't like it, too bad, **** em. The games I like are the games that are getting made, so I have zero reason to be mad. Skyrim could use some improvements, sure, but there's a track record with these games of the devs listening to user suggestions/looking at popular mods and then implementing them. All you gloomy bastards who want to piss and moan can go ahead and do so, but the rest of us are only ******* ourselves over by paying attention to what you think.

Can't believe I didn't realize this before.
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#57 - grasman (11/08/2015) [-]
I hated the differences between enemies.

You're starting the game killing everybody in your way suddenly a bandit marauder or some **** kills you with two hits with his stupid hammer.
You on the other hand have to hit him like 30 times.
Like ... what? Is he made out of metal or some **** ?

I'm fine with certain enemies doing more damage but the retarded fighting system of skyrim just doesn't give you a chance to hit a guy 30 times without him hitting you.

If you're going for the no-magic route you're ****** .
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User avatar #54 - sanitarysan (11/01/2015) [-]
i'm still really pissed about the whole "execute him anyway" thing,
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User avatar #46 - thatguyyoumightno (11/01/2015) [-]
>in line to get beheaded
>horse thief tries to make a run for it
>gets shot in the back with an arrow and dies
>"anyone else want to try?"
well, yea, cause either way I'm dead. if I run I have a chance to escape.
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User avatar #48 to #46 - wertologist (11/01/2015) [-]
Wasn't it a bit extreme that they wanted execute the guy for stealing a horse, but you can slaughter 20 people or steal some flowers and they will just throw you in jail? I've stolen so many horses just to kill them. They only sent me to jail and that was only after I killed a few guards.
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User avatar #51 to #48 - thatguyyoumightno (11/01/2015) [-]
though the horse thief was ******* Al Capone compared to you.
you committed the crime of crossing the border between Skyrim and Cyrodil and getting caught in a trap for the Stormcloaks.
a border that was completely unprotected between two provinces of the Empire.
the imperials don't know who you are, where you came from or what you are doing, but **** it you're dying anyway.
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User avatar #52 to #51 - wertologist (11/01/2015) [-]
Yeah, Skyrim didn't really give much room for the imagination. You are a Dragonborn...master of the Thieves Guild, Archmage of the College, Thane f Whiterun and so on.
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User avatar #44 - wertologist (11/01/2015) [-]
It was annoying that most Skyrim characters were essential. It kind of ruined the whole "I want to slaughter this whole town" mood that everyone gets. They could have at least made it so after one or two times the essential goes down that they run away. It ruined it when they would just get back up and continue to chase you relentlessly.
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User avatar #41 - jonnyfrosty (11/01/2015) [-]
"fun is just a buzzword"
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User avatar #33 - kekat (10/31/2015) [-]
The lack of people and tiny towns pissed me off to much. I went out of my way to not only install True Cities, but to make my own houses and NPCS to add more to Solitude and whiterun in particular.

With true cities you get another 1/4 of the size of solitude, added to solitude. With my additions i now have about 2 solitudes. Its ******* great mang.
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User avatar #45 to #33 - wertologist (11/01/2015) [-]
I want to try mods like that, but I fear I'm at that mod limit thing and I have a town mod that adds open baths to every major town that I really don't want to get rid of. I like **** like that. Those small little towns that had like 1 house, 1 inn, and 1 lumber mill were all pathetic. That one right at the start of the steps going to the greybeards was horrible. I think there were more people than there were places for them to sleep.
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User avatar #24 - theoldfritz (10/31/2015) [-]
more /v/ circlejerk, oh wow.
i really like the >i dont like skyrim (lists a ton of reason), i like skyrim (i liked it so its good)
the same was with oblivion and both fallout games, and it started with fallout 4 since the release.
people need to understand, that /v/ is a bandwagon, you either jump on or leave and go to /vg/.
 
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