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I'm honored,I think...

i' iact:
Elder Maxine: I think you and I are more
similar than you think.
Sole Survivor: That' s a terrible thing
to say.
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User avatar #1 - deroderpderp (01/10/2016) [-]
Enclave themed character masterrace
User avatar #3 to #1 - hexproof [OP](01/10/2016) [-]
Thats a funny way of spelling BoS
#18 to #3 - anon (01/10/2016) [-]
That's a funny way of spelling Third Reich
#72 to #18 - anon (01/11/2016) [-]
So whats it like being as synth?
User avatar #5 to #3 - deroderpderp (01/10/2016) [-]
Damned mutie
#6 to #5 - hexproof [OP](01/10/2016) [-]
Ad victoriam
#16 - matralith (01/10/2016) [-]
> supporting BoS

kek
User avatar #33 to #16 - hexproof [OP](01/10/2016) [-]
Not supporting BoS

>kek
#41 to #33 - Viceroy ONLINE (01/10/2016) [-]
#44 to #41 - hexproof [OP](01/10/2016) [-]
I bet you'd bang a toaster
User avatar #45 to #44 - Viceroy ONLINE (01/10/2016) [-]
If it looked like Curie.
Would you say no to post-sex toast?
#46 to #45 - hexproof [OP](01/10/2016) [-]
No homo but Id prefer Cait
#20 to #16 - anon (01/10/2016) [-]
#38 to #20 - anon (01/10/2016) [-]
Nice crop job
#42 to #38 - anon (01/10/2016) [-]
institute man...need to use anonymous for fear of red thumbs
User avatar #54 to #42 - hokon (01/10/2016) [-]
nice crop job
User avatar #23 to #16 - gabemczombie ONLINE (01/10/2016) [-]
That sounds like synth talk to me.
#24 to #23 - matralith (01/10/2016) [-]
You got a problem with that?
User avatar #26 to #24 - gabemczombie ONLINE (01/10/2016) [-]
Some of you are alright. I mean come on. You know what i mean, Danse.
#21 to #16 - anon (01/10/2016) [-]
Railroad faggot
#57 - dinobyte (01/10/2016) [-]
Discussing the mission when the brotherhood arrives with a friend
Me: Yo, it was too cool seeing the Calvary come in on the giant airship and ****
Him: I thought it was like the nazis coming in on a zeppelin.

mfw. ******* Synth-lover.
#35 - akkere ONLINE (01/10/2016) [-]
>Supporting Post-Apocalyptic Macklemore
>Not becoming Supreme Commander of the Wasteland by serving as no one's lap dog

I bet you ate right out of the palms of some other faction's hands in New Vegas, too.
User avatar #73 to #35 - rarityrarityrarity (01/11/2016) [-]
>Not sucking Caesar's dick
#36 to #35 - hexproof [OP](01/10/2016) [-]
Post-Apocalyptic Macklemore
Kek
Atleast this faction guves you cool **** to use
#49 to #36 - severepwner (01/10/2016) [-]
"Cool **** to use"

Does that power armor come with honor, morality, ethics, compassion, or generosity? No?

I would defend my code with a 2x4 before I sell my soul.
#50 to #49 - hexproof [OP](01/10/2016) [-]
GIF
Actually you get those by joining BoS.
They stand of what they believe is right and will do anything to protect their people.
User avatar #51 to #50 - severepwner (01/10/2016) [-]
And only their people. The same can be said for the Enclave, or any Raider gang.

There is no honor or strength in extorting the populace, and forcing yourself upon them unwarranted.

There is no intelligence or honor in over generalization and genocide of sentient peoples. These mainly being synths and ghouls. It's ignorant and evil.

You're either our protector, our our conqueror.
User avatar #52 to #51 - hexproof [OP](01/10/2016) [-]
Maxson means he wants to protect his people as in everyone in the commonwealth not just BoS.They are nothing like the enclave and raiders.

They also have a good reason to be against synths and feral ghouls,they are a huge threat to the commonwealth and ignoring them will just cause more problems.Synths ******* kill living humans and replace them for a soulless counterparts ,how can you honestly trust something like that.I know not all of them are bad but do you honestly think that you can trust something that has done more bad then good.
User avatar #53 to #52 - severepwner (01/10/2016) [-]
>More bad than good

Yeah you haven't met very many synths. And thinking all ghouls are feral is just ****** up. Maxson doesn't care about the welfare of the Commonwealth, he only cares about his own ideas. The Commonwealth didn't asked to be oppressed by this regime.

It's not synths, it's the institute. Treating all synths as the same is prejudice, and committing this ignorant genocide is unforgivable. Treating all ghouls as ferals is also prejudice, and dehumization of human beings, also unforgivable.

I trust a synth the same way I trust any other human, on a case by case basis. Not by jumping to conclusions, not by assuming one synth courser represents the whole.

If more bad than good is a standard you use, you shouldn't be siding with the Enclave of Steel.
User avatar #55 to #53 - hexproof [OP](01/10/2016) [-]
>Ignoring what happened in diamond city

I feel you haven't the mayor of diamond city is one and look what an asshole he turned out to be .BoS has nothing against non feral Ghouls,most of them are even 200 years old.Maxsons Ideas are of what will benefit the commonwealth.

And as sad as this sounds it is still both fault.The institute can reprogram the synths anytime they feel like it.The person you love the most ,that despite being a synth,will simply forget all that once someone from the institute decided that they should be something else or better yet try to kill you.

Im sorry but synths do not have the same free will as we do.No amount of codes will force you to forget why you are (or what you believe you are).They should be treated as something else not human,you can still show it respect,but don't be fooled into believing its human.
User avatar #56 to #55 - severepwner (01/10/2016) [-]
They're not human, but they're still people. They deserve more than your ******* gas chamber. Also...

>Saying synths just don't have the same free will as humans, from an organization of sheep following a lunatic, top kek.

I ignore what happened in Diamond City, because that was an isolated coincidence. Using that a reason to generalize over an entire people is post hoc fallacy. A synth glitched out and went on a shooting so what? You know humans glitch out a lot more than synths and attack people? We just call those mental disorders. Are you going to exterminate all humans now because of 1 or 2 isolated cases?

The institute can only "reprogram" a synth is if they have physical access to it. If they never get to that synth, then the synth never stops being a person. And that only pushes for the case that the institute should be stopped. They just want to oppress the entire synth people. Basically you have Egyptian slave masters on one side, Nazi holocaust on the other, I choose neither.

If a synth does all the same exact things a human does, be sentient, have emotions, have desires, have dreams, have beliefs, loves things, fears things, be conscious, then you just as "human" to me as anyone else is.

Let go of your hate. There is absolutely no justification on committing genocide against an entire people. Only ignorance, superstition, and hypocrisy.
User avatar #58 to #56 - hexproof [OP](01/10/2016) [-]
Sorry dude but its not that simple.

>How dare I show admiration to something I like by doing things I love.I am soo braindead.

And ignoring a problem isn't going to make it go away.Also there are ways of helping people with mental illness such as medicine or therapy.If a human was to be cought committing these things they'd be sent to a mental institution.You can't help a synth that same way you can just shut one off and reprogram it.

The institute has records of all the synths that have escaped so it's not long enough untill they find them and reprogram them ;-;.And simply stopping the institute isn't going to stop the damage that has been done.

I don't really hate them,I just don't trust them,especially around people.
User avatar #59 to #58 - severepwner (01/11/2016) [-]
I don't see how not wanting to commit genocide on the innocent is "ignoring the problem". There isn't a synth problem, there's just a institute problem.

And no, people normally imprison or execute people that are guilty of such things. That being when a mental illness causes 1 shooting you're so obsessed about.

Who cares what the Institute have records on? The Railroad already knows that, that's why they go to such great lengths to hide them. Memory wipes, name changes (obviously), facial reconstructions etc. If we stop the institute, then they can't do anything so that point is irrelevant.

>And simply stopping the institute isn't going to stop the damage that has been done.

Well no **** Sherlock, we can't time travel and change the past. But I think we all agree, the past is over. Wanting to punish all synths for crimes most of them were never even guilty of committing is just evil.

I don't see why you distrust synths any more or any less than you distrust humans. Considering that humans have done a lot more wrong than synths ever have. Like committing genocide on the innocent, extorting communities, imperialism. Funny because the Enclave and this Enclave of Steel chapter are guilty of all 3 of these things!

A synth has never done anything, that another human has done 100x worse. Humans are far more guilty than synths are, and yet we don't generalize them, why do you think that is?

If you think oppression, genocide, or invading where you aren't wanted are logical solutions, then you're a narcissistic, psychotic fool.
User avatar #63 to #59 - snerus (01/11/2016) [-]
The problem with Synths is that they are more dangerous on a conceptual level than any nuclear bomb or military superweapon. The Institute is dangerous not because they are some evil, hidden new world order bent on taking control of the world, but because they are simply and purely dedicated to the advancement of science without any regard for the consequences.

The destruction of the Synths, of all Synths is vital simply because of the risk that someone might be able to replicate the Institute's advanced level of technology and this individual, or organization may have more nefarious ideals in mind than the simple unadulterated advancement of science.

Are Synths truly people? I'd say yes. Completely. Which is, among other reasons why they need to be purged as quickly as possible. It was never the Brotherhood's goal to commit genocide. It's simply a means to an end, and that end being the ensured and continued survival of humanity, and what remains of human civilization after the Great War. The quicker this unsavoury task is committed, the less unsavoury it is.

The Brotherhood has always been about one thing, and one thing only. The preservation of mankind by limiting their access to harmful technologies. That's why they've committed every resource they have to scouring the Commonwealth for Synths. Why Elder Maxson would wage war against them despite knowing full well that his own faction will take heavy losses in this war.

I'll be honest, I don't think I'm going to change your opinion on the matter. In truth, I don't really want to. I just want to give a clearer picture of what people on the other side think. That's one of the things about Fallout. Every faction, every group, they all have their reasons to do what they do. Be that the Master and his Super Mutants, the Enclave, the Legion, hell, even the Institute. It's all justifiable. Maybe not to you, maybe not to me, but to someone out there it is. That's the beauty of the Fallout Games. Nobody's ever completely in the right, and nobody's ever completely in the wrong. At the end of the day, it all falls to personal preference. Even if you can't choose that faction in-game, you can (and people do) always root for them out of game.
User avatar #68 to #63 - severepwner (01/11/2016) [-]
For one, there's nothing to suggest synths would be responsible for the downfall of humanity any more than anyone else. If the institute is destroyed, it is borderline impossible to emulate anything they created. The sheer complexity and miraculous scientific achievement, is simply not something you can do in just any meth lab. And synths aren't terminators, and they never will be as long as we treat them like the sentient beings they are.

The ends justify the means? What justifies the ends? There have never been good people who did evil things in the name of good, those were just more evil people.
User avatar #67 to #53 - thesovereigngrave (01/11/2016) [-]
I dislike the Brotherhood for the same reasons you do, but I have to disagree with you one one important point. I think that Elder Maxson actually does care for the welfare of the Commonwealth and its people. He's not just some petty tyrant who justifies a power grab by saying it's for the great good. His ideals may be wrong on so many levels, but I think Maxson honestly believes that what he's doing is what's best for the Commonwealth.
User avatar #74 to #49 - Shiny ONLINE (01/11/2016) [-]
That's the best part of the Brotherhood of Steel, even from a "main character that gets to do anything" perspective they're very easy to manipulate for personal gain. An entire New Vegas DLC campaign is based around the exploits of a man that basically made them his private security so he can **** around curiously in old buildings.
#71 to #49 - asotil (01/11/2016) [-]
>Does that power armor come with honor, morality, ethics, compassion, or generosity?

In a nice shiny coat of Vault Tec Blue, actually
#39 to #36 - anon (01/10/2016) [-]
I see your loyalty comes quite cheap
#48 to #39 - funpunk (01/10/2016) [-]
Hell yeah it does for me. Gimme some free power armor and a jetpack and I'll happily commit genocide for ya.
User avatar #40 to #39 - hexproof [OP](01/10/2016) [-]
Nah dawg I also like most of the people in BoS :3
User avatar #65 to #36 - thesovereigngrave (01/11/2016) [-]
Cool stuff that you could easily find just lying around the Wasteland.
User avatar #66 to #65 - hexproof [OP](01/11/2016) [-]
Ad victorium
User avatar #61 to #35 - dehnoobshow (01/11/2016) [-]
Bet you loved being the faction's leader in 2 hours in Skyrim
#14 - BustaNinja (01/10/2016) [-]
I've done a handful of BoS missions in 4 now, and I get more and more drawn in to their ideals and goals every time.
A... Am I becoming a nazi?
#69 to #14 - sarcasticcelery (01/11/2016) [-]
Only if you're doing it right.
User avatar #15 to #14 - ultralinkfan (01/10/2016) [-]
yes
User avatar #17 to #14 - bionicpanda ONLINE (01/10/2016) [-]
it's because you're realizing they're right
User avatar #22 to #14 - greyhoundfd (01/10/2016) [-]
It's really the only safe way. A free and liberated robotic citizenry, as much as I love our favorite robo-noir comrade, is too vulnerable to electronic exploitation. Imagine if someone found a way to "hack" their minds. It would be a near instantaneous coup-de-tet.

The same thing goes for ghouls. Yeah, some of their characters are awesome, but the potential for ghouls to go feral is too high, and the genetic problems inherent to being a ghoul make their existence relatively unpleasant. Non-ferals shouldn't be wiped out, but encouraging them not to have children is probably the best bet.

There's a reason that life was better in a society purely composed of humans. It was more stable as humans cannot be as easily controlled, and more pleasant as humans don't have a habit of randomly killing and eating their neighbors.
User avatar #28 to #22 - gabemczombie ONLINE (01/10/2016) [-]
Ghouls are sterile
User avatar #32 to #28 - greyhoundfd (01/10/2016) [-]
Well then, there you have it. Preventing ghoulification means that they will gradually die out anyway. The only place where the BoS specifically attacks ghouls are those that have gone feral, and it's hard to argue that killing what is effectively a zombie is anything condemnable.
User avatar #29 to #14 - vivified (01/10/2016) [-]
The logic is the only path you must follow. The BoS draws some hard lines, which is necesery, in this crazy world, to ultimately preserve humanity and guide it trough its fumbling in the dark.
User avatar #7 - alcohol (01/10/2016) [-]
I wish the kill Maxon ending was still in the game.
User avatar #8 to #7 - hexproof [OP](01/10/2016) [-]
This one? FALLOUT 4 News: CUT Brotherhood Of Steel Ending Discovered! - Better Than The Original?
User avatar #9 to #8 - alcohol (01/10/2016) [-]
Yeah.
User avatar #10 to #9 - hexproof [OP](01/10/2016) [-]
It would be interesting,maybe as a patch or DLC
User avatar #11 to #10 - alcohol (01/10/2016) [-]
I doubt it. The BOS worship Maxon as a god and he has the most legitimate claim to be elder cause of his ancestors and whatnot. So unless Danse has the support of officers Unlikely cause of that synth thing , and not just a handful of Knights, Lancers, and Scribes it would never work.
#12 to #11 - hexproof [OP](01/10/2016) [-]
Yeah,thats probably the main reason why they took it out,but it would be kind of interest if you became.the elder of the brotherhood,but oh well...Maxson is kind of cool anyways :3
User avatar #13 to #12 - alcohol (01/10/2016) [-]
Maxon is best wiafu.
#75 - anon (01/11/2016) [-]
just passing through with some mail.
#25 - Stevethewizard (01/10/2016) [-]
All these people talking about the massive war between the factions that breaks out and forces you to kill off one of the non-Institute factions before killing off the Institute...
And I'm just sitting here, playing quests in the right order to trigger the hidden ending that makes it so you don't have to kill anyone outside of the Institute.
User avatar #27 to #25 - gabemczombie ONLINE (01/10/2016) [-]
Wait what?
User avatar #37 to #27 - sircool (01/10/2016) [-]
I think it's the minute men ending. You can kill the BoS after, but they don't give a **** about the railroad.
#47 to #37 - Stevethewizard (01/10/2016) [-]
It's a variant on the Minutemen ending. Found a guide to get it on Youtube. Here's a link: www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUFEeYdQnVc
Basically, you start off on this by completing the BoS quests before completing Reunions (including talking Brandis down and convincing him his backup will be here soon). Then you do Reunions and Dangerous Minds. After this, Shadow of Steel and Tradecraft unlock. It's important that you ignore these for a while as you focus on the Minutemen, because you need to use the Minutemen to gain access to the Institute.
Once you're in the Institute, kill someone to get kicked out before you start the second quest. Just don't even start the second quest. Don't talk to Father after meeting everyone. If you're feeling particularly good, choose a victim that deserves it (someone in the Synth Retention department, perhaps?).
After getting 86'd, completely ignore Form Ranks and Defend the Castle. Avoid the Castle like the ******* plague, and go help out the Brotherhood. Do all their quests until Show No Mercy, but please, for the love of god, don't ******* do Show No Mercy. Don't even start Show No Mercy. Why? It ***** with the BoS's AI settings and makes them highly aggressive, to the point where they occasionally mow down civilians for no ******* reason, and it blocks off the secret ending.
AFTER helping the Brotherhood, do Form Ranks and Defend the Castle. This should give you the option to do the Nuclear Option. Don't do it yet. It's not the right time.
You know what it is time for? Helping the Railroad. Go do Tradecraft through Randolph Safehouse 6, then do the Nuclear Option on behalf of the Minutemen.
This lets every good companion live, because face it, the Courser isn't anywhere near fun to have around.
User avatar #19 - ILikeGreen (01/10/2016) [-]
is he saying like it a bad thing for him to be similar to maxon or maxon to be similar to him?
User avatar #34 to #19 - hexproof [OP](01/10/2016) [-]
Yes
#2 - hvorforikke (01/10/2016) [-]
Go team BoS!
User avatar #4 to #2 - hexproof [OP](01/10/2016) [-]
hell yeah!
User avatar #60 - carlonord (01/11/2016) [-]
After playing the **** out of F4, reading over numerous opinions and articles, I'm convinced that the best ending is either the Minutemen or simply not doing anything.

They might be all about keeping the status quo, but that's what happened in real life, until private inventors made things. Just need to have a safe country, so science can progress!

I mean, there's scientists in the wastes still, and they're safe in vaults some of them! So the institute isn't the only way forward, although I could see them advancing synth tech far enough that eventually they are totally biological, so that the Earth could repopulate with the species that the world used to have.

The BoS are far too narrowminded to properly help the world, they care too much for themselves.

The Railroad are a bunch of ******* hippies who only care about synths and **** all else, they will help no one but the synths. They are the equivalent of modern day feminists and SJWs and for that I hate them.

And since there is no option to join forces so that the factions could not be a bunch of idiots, its minutemen or no one, which sucks cause the minutemen bore me to death, and Preston is a useless twat.

Also, the settlements are only a small part of the game? Only a side thing that totally isn't needed to get end game gear and get rich? Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies...
User avatar #62 to #60 - noblexfenrir (01/11/2016) [-]
The institute is very clearly the best choice going forward, and I don't even need to justify their previous actions or anything they've done up until that point, the reason it's the best faction at the end is because:

You have control of them from the end on forward.

It hardly matters what they've done up until you take over, because your control means you have literally all of the benefits of their technology without having to accept any of their moral failings since you technically wouldn't have to continue their less than reputable practices during your reign.
#64 to #62 - carlonord (01/11/2016) [-]
Well here's the thing, some of the departments will not agree with you, so what then? Sway them? Kill them? Remove them?

I agree that as the director, you can make the institute the savior it should've been in the first place, but that partly depends on the cooperation of the other scientists. Perhaps that could be remedied by recruiting scientists, like what happened with Li.

Ultimately, that's a big what-if, since you get to make no decisions afterward, not even special things to build at settlements that either **** food, water, defense, or are just cool! Nothing, just a paint job, explosion, and paint job.

I like F4, but I feel like Bethesda **** the bed a little here in terms of agency and player choice. It feels like the player is a tool here, not the protagonist. You have little effect on how the game turns out, and it all boils down to 4 choices in the end.

But ya, I'd go Institute, but assuming you'd be unable to change the scientist's minds, it'd have to be minutemen.
User avatar #70 to #64 - patentoverwriten (01/11/2016) [-]
Regarding changing the scientists mind there's an entire little quest/thing where I think it was the ones in the section where the gorillas are revolt, and you end up dealing with them, and get final say in what they get to do. Kill them, put them on probation, restrict their access or whatever. So the potential is there for you to actually be able to do stuff, but again, Bethesda didn't want to give the player in depth options in this game, apparently. Looking at you Cait. 4 options, 3 being the same thing, 1 just being a non speech check version...
User avatar #76 to #70 - carlonord (01/11/2016) [-]
It all comes down to it being too linear. There's so much potential for it to branch and for so many things to change, but your decisions mostly come down to loot.
User avatar #77 to #76 - patentoverwriten (01/11/2016) [-]
My money is on what they want my money to be spent on. Dlc. I wouldn't be surprised if there was some sort of dlc that did something to give more options.
User avatar #78 to #77 - carlonord (01/11/2016) [-]
I am personally expecting similar DLC to F3.

Specifically, Enclave DLC, Alien DLC, after that who knows.

But I doubt anything that fixes the **** dialog wheel, lack of choices, and lack of effect that you can have on the world, that'll be mod territory I'll bet.
User avatar #79 to #78 - patentoverwriten (01/11/2016) [-]
Here's hoping since I'm a console pleb. I want that 'show the actual dialogue' mod so bad... Enclave dlc would be kickass, need my tesla armor...as for alien dlc I would love if they followed up on what you could read/listen to about there being an alien city underground in...africa I think it was? A non north america place, anyway. Or the fact that it was mention that there was more alien activity in the mojave. Or just go super badass and let us go to the moon, since there was that plaque in the museum where Gravyboat is that talked about the trench up there.
User avatar #80 to #79 - carlonord (01/11/2016) [-]
I wouldn't expect anything in the mojave. It would be cool, but I seriously doubt Bethesda would do the Mojave justice, take point lookout for example, or hell any of the DLC, they were all short and small.
User avatar #81 to #80 - patentoverwriten (01/11/2016) [-]
Well, technically 'DLC' are supposed to be on the small side, no? That's what 'expansions' are for? I mean, I spent a fair few hours exploring each place, but I might've just been slow.
User avatar #82 to #81 - carlonord (01/11/2016) [-]
True, fine then, it needs expansions. And when is the last time you saw a bethesda game get one? Or any game recently really.
User avatar #83 to #82 - patentoverwriten (01/11/2016) [-]
Didn't WoW get one not long ago? But yeah, they're a 'dead' concept for non mmo games, basically rolled into 'dlc'.
User avatar #84 to #83 - carlonord (01/11/2016) [-]
WoW is an exception ,that's a game with too many expansions.

And while I would hate to see it die, I personally hate the style of gameplay, bigger numbers always wins, so grind for better gear.
User avatar #85 to #84 - patentoverwriten (01/11/2016) [-]
Funny you should mention that, since to me, that's what F4 started to feel like around lvl 60-70. Grinding the same place, (for me it was the military training outpost) to get the better gear. (explosive mod shotgun, instigating sniper, two shot gauss) Makes me wonder what getting the starred dlc gun variants will be like.
User avatar #86 to #85 - carlonord (01/11/2016) [-]
F4 already feels like a grind to me, and I just hit level 54.

All I do is help settlements, explore a bit, and murder literally everything with my explosive combat shotgun, Overseer's Friend, and a violent gauss rifle/ penetrating missile launcher.

I have 300 stims, and a super set of maxed X-01, game is over.
#43 - nineinchesdeep (01/10/2016) [-]
“Today I saw my own son use a bicycle as a weapon. You yelled ‘rape’ at the top of your lungs.”
User avatar #31 - vivified (01/10/2016) [-]
You can only strive to have his clarity of purpose, his is like a shining beacon in times of darkness and heresy. Hell yea its a terrible thing to say, Maxson is really downplaying himself, but isnt that the sign of a good leader?

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