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Brotherhood of Steal Your Crops

SSS style caps
uniforms
bled 1/ = Sieg Heil
n lead the Bos out of a pitiful state to a powerful military force = Hitler getting
Germany back on its feet
the commenwealth
wwant to purge abc) monitions
mere like the we Stem
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#3 - ldnelson (12/14/2015) [-]
I heard your Commonwealth was overrun by synths. I got here as quickly as I could
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User avatar #115 to #3 - advice (12/15/2015) [-]
he did consider jews some lower form that tried to blend into normal society
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User avatar #125 to #115 - captchakid (12/15/2015) [-]
Was he wrong?
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#137 to #125 - bann (12/15/2015) [-]
Considering their wealth and means of finding their way to a number of high positions despite heavy opposition through out history, I'd say the opposite.

I'm as far from jewish as can be, but I can admire their accomplishments.
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User avatar #138 to #137 - captchakid (12/15/2015) [-]
A masterfully disguised thief who tricks a kingdom into thinking he's a king, is still no king.
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#171 to #138 - bann (12/16/2015) [-]
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that how kings are made? I mean whether tricked of earned, having a kingdom is really the only requirement for being a king yo.
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#19 to #3 - xankon (12/14/2015) [-]
**xankon used "*roll picture*"**
**xankon rolled image** with your help we will turn this war
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#89 to #3 - severepwner (12/15/2015) [-]
Yes overrun. Here's a photo from the Commonwealth, just to give you an idea how overrun we are by synths.
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#96 to #89 - lesolan (12/15/2015) [-]
It's worse than I thought. They're using Stealthboys now. I'm sending Dogmeat in with a Vertibird. I hope they make it to you in time. Godspeed.
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User avatar #173 to #96 - talldumbdork ONLINE (12/31/2015) [-]
Perfect......
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#153 to #89 - ztron (12/15/2015) [-]
GIF
You just reminded me how I want mods that replace the gen 1 synths with t-800's and coursers with Arnie bots. And purple lasers.
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User avatar #10 to #3 - tenaciouslee (12/14/2015) [-]
Oh, thanks, stranger, we could use all the help we can get.
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#13 - thelizardlord (12/14/2015) [-]
I want to defend my beloved Brotherhood of Steel from these accusations.

However this is so obvious even I noticed.
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#134 to #13 - asasqw (12/15/2015) [-]
You didn't play the original two but this is their real philosophy. The outcasts in FO3 where the members who still held this when the elder decided to help everyone, hell the outcasts where waiting for backup from other chapters to take him out of power. The brotherhood is a splinter group of the enclave and the only appreciable difference is that they don't mind wastelanders. Your only experiences with the brotherhood is an extremely out of character BoS since they wanted a black and white mentality between them and the enclave, and a mini chapter who's viewpoints you get next to no mentioning of since they are in full shutdown mode. Remember that quest where the Head Paladin has you go kill everyone in the silver rush just for selling some energy weapons? There are no "good" factions in the wasteland, only varying levels of evil.
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User avatar #162 to #134 - thelizardlord (12/15/2015) [-]
Excuse you. I played the first ones.
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User avatar #168 to #162 - asasqw (12/15/2015) [-]
My apologizes, thought I had hear otherwise
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#161 to #134 - iexs (12/15/2015) [-]
What's their beef with the Enclave if they both want to get rid of the inferior beings of the wasteland? The Enclave only kills irradiated wastelanders if I remember correctly.

I havent played fallout in 3 years so I dont remember much
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#172 to #161 - mrhilter (12/22/2015) [-]
The Enclave(old school Americans. Probably Demos or Reps.) wanted to be rid of ALL beings that had the slightest bit of rads in their bloodstream(inferior beings like ghouls, muties, everyone but them) and to reclaim/ restore any piece of territory( which they claim belongs to them because 'Murican soil) they can grab and use the populace for their nefarious schemes.
The BOS(also old school Americans though splinter fac.) wanted to reclaim every piece of any sort of technological marvel or bauble(power plants, dams, weapons factory/depot, military installation) that would be of any use to themselves for they claim it is their "right" to keep the people of the wasteland safe by hording said technology for "safekeeping" and will take it away from you if have you, even if it's just some shoddy laser pointer.
Long rant, but either way, both will go to great lengths to grab what they want.
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User avatar #72 to #13 - decon (12/15/2015) [-]
You say that like you DONT wanna be a power armored nazi....
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#92 to #72 - nyctonightingale (12/15/2015) [-]
Power armored Nazi's, you say?
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User avatar #97 to #92 - epicactual (12/15/2015) [-]
sauce?
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#105 to #97 - twiztidxson ONLINE (12/15/2015) [-]
I have a feeling it's Jin-Roh: The Wolf Brigade
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User avatar #106 to #105 - epicactual (12/15/2015) [-]
can't understand why you'd think that
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User avatar #99 to #97 - nyctonightingale (12/15/2015) [-]
Jin-Roh: The Wolf Brigade.

I've never seen it but it looks freakin' sweet. Set in a universe where Germany won WWII and ****** Japan hard.
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User avatar #103 to #99 - epicactual (12/15/2015) [-]
Thanks pal
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#133 to #103 - dimbledumble (12/15/2015) [-]
It is sweet, but he is wrong towards the plot. It takes place in prewar japan after they lost the war alongside Germany. They are fighting terrorists in Japan.
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#100 to #97 - donclawleone (12/15/2015) [-]
Jin-Roh: The Wolf Brigade I think.
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User avatar #102 to #100 - epicactual (12/15/2015) [-]
thank you
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User avatar #164 to #100 - greasylightning (12/15/2015) [-]

theres a mod for that armor for New Vegas.
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User avatar #24 to #13 - sirkanesixtytwo (12/15/2015) [-]
Implying these are bad traits.
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User avatar #63 to #24 - trollmobile ONLINE (12/15/2015) [-]
that we are.
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User avatar #4 - fuzzyballs (12/14/2015) [-]
the BoS wasn't pitiful but okay
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#5 to #4 - ulolbro (12/14/2015) [-]
The chapter in Capital Wasteland, where the Brotherhood we see in Fallout 4 comes from, was.
They had only Liberty Prime, which was destroyed and had to be rebuild.

It's amazing, almost unbelievable, how much they've gained in just a decade since Fallout 3. Considering Elder Lyon died in 2278, his daughter who became Elder died shortly after as well, and there was a power vaccuum untill 2283 when Maxson became the new Elder. Just 4 short years before Fallout 4.
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User avatar #11 to #5 - fuzzyballs (12/14/2015) [-]
they still had the biggest, best defended settlement in the DC Wasteland
they recruited and trained soldiers from the Wasteland, instead of just breeding within their own organisation and sitting in a bunker, slowly dying out

the BoS was the least pitiful faction in DC, even Rivet City didn't have that many people, and even if they did, they weren't all soldiers or scribes
I stand by my statement
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User avatar #12 to #11 - dorkledumbs (12/14/2015) [-]
Being the least pitiful doesn't make it any less pitiful
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User avatar #14 to #12 - fuzzyballs (12/14/2015) [-]
ah yes
the guys in power armour, carrying big ******* weapons and surrounded by turrets are pitiful
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User avatar #21 to #14 - lilnuggetbob ONLINE (12/14/2015) [-]
They were powerful in the Capitol Wasteland, but take this into consideration
The NCR is 98 years old Formed in 2189
The BOS is around 210-214 years old. IIRC they formed just a year or so before the bombs fell.
The NCR holds like 200x 5 of the 13 commonwealths, the BOS owns DC and maybe Boston. the land, and around 80-160x the population of the BOS
The NCR has defeated far more of the enclave, Caesars legion Who also were more effective, somehow, than the BOS at doing... Anything , And the BOS on a few engagements.
The NCR mostly consists of normal people with basic military training, and accese to decent amounts of ammo and small arms.
The BOS mostly consists of well trains soldiers, and scribes, who have access to a large amount of Advanced weaponry, Power armor, and other technologies.

Yet time, and time again, its painfully obvious that NCR>BOS
Because they just aren't as good as they could be.
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#49 to #21 - froggernaught (12/15/2015) [-]
Ok here I go.

The chosen one wiped out most of the Enclave the NCR wiped out the few remaining Enclave soldiers at Nevarro after the Enclave leadership was gone and most of them fled east. The NCR did this through sheer numbers. (Like how the Russians beat the Nazis. Fancy guns mean nothing when you're drowning in blood. Both yours and theirs)
The brotherhood never went to war with the Enclave until Lyons took it upon himself to fight them in the capitol wasteland. Many BoS members though highly of the Enclave and wondered why they weren't as effective as them. Later on they realized how bad they were and were apart of the purging of Navarro (Which was around for several years after the loss of the Oil Rig)

The NCR army consists of thousands upon thousands of individuals who have basic military training, equipment and so on. They also have the NCR and Desert Rangers who are some of the toughest troops around. The NCR wiped out the Enclave with the brotherhoods help and fought the Legion to a halt, legion regularly raids NCR lands and slaughter caravans, townspeople, soldiers and everything else they choose. The NCR does wipe out plenty of the Legion patrols though.

The brotherhood can/ could be divided into three distinct groups. The West coast BoS, the old honorguard of the brotherhood who have survived by simply being far better dug in, defended and equiped in comparison to the people of the wasteland. They are slowly dying.

The Mid western BoS who are/ were fairly large and heavily equipped (Most of their lore has been scrapped otherwise they would be the strongest BoS faction), they openly recruited and had control of massive chunks of land, comparable to the NCR.

The East Coast BoS did some open recruiting to keep up numbers but were already small and poorly equipped to begin with. they were sent on a fools errand to get rid of upstarts and dissenters. Lyons made this a new chapter and the only power in the Capital wasteland. Before the brotherhood there was only the super mutants. No matter how bad you thought it was in the capitol wasteland, it was far worse before Lyons showed up. Given time they would have become comparable to the NCR, but the Lyons died and Maxson took over, he's forced the brotherhood back into the role thats killing it.
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User avatar #82 to #49 - amusingusername (12/15/2015) [-]
Maxson sure did deviate from the ways of Elder Lyons, however I'm not sure he completely shares the views of the elders back West.

Just the fact that you can see he is recruiting in mass from the people of the wasteland and that you hear no single mention of the Codex in Fallout 4 shows that he is doing things his way, not how some old book tells him to.

Ignoring their views on synths and some of their questionable methods for now, Maxson's chapter is still taking a much more active role in shaping the wasteland than the western chapters despite their primary mission being the collection of technology. The Capital Wasteland and it's settlements are under their control, and if you side with them in Fallout 4, you can see their flags and some patrols all around Diamond City.

Either way, what has been killing the Brotherhood back west is not their ideology, it was their inability to adapt and refusal to compromise. The ability to adapt, recruit locals and to coexist with them is what kept the Lyons' Brotherhood afloat in DC.

However from Fallout 4 alone I cannot see what direction that chapter is going to be taking. They seem to be heavily influenced by the western ideology, but at the same time Maxson appears to be following some of Lyons' ways. The fact that many people there like Hayley, and that guy who was feeding ghouls do not blindly follow the brotherhood, and that Maxson himself was raised by Lyons and Sarah tells me that they might yet avoid becoming just a copy of the west.
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#86 to #82 - froggernaught (12/15/2015) [-]
Maxson is a mixed bag. He's a Maxson, so he's suppose to uphold the traditions set by his ancestors, but he also grew up around Sara and Owen lyons who tried to show him that the people were more important than the old ways.

When Maxson took over he changed things. He went back to hoarding tech as the number 1 priority, he cut back on the open recruiting (Can't stay superior to wasteland savages when your forces are made up of them) he drew the Outcasts back in, and established contact with the West coast BoS again. The West coast BoS leaders had to stop cults that were worshiping Maxson as a new god because of course they would.
he's a Chad who's had the good luck to be surrounded by people who think he's the next coming of jesus. He is a sound leader and such but he's also rides the fine line of being a Gary sue character.

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User avatar #76 to #49 - themarineelite (12/15/2015) [-]
Might wanna let you know that the BoS actively hunted down Enclave remnants in the west and also partook in the assault on Navarro with the NCR. After the sacking Navarro, the BoS fought the NCR for the tech and got ****** hard.
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#79 to #76 - froggernaught (12/15/2015) [-]
Might wanna let you know that I did mention that.

The brotherhood fought with the NCR to destroy Navarro and then fought with them over technology because the West coast BoS does nothing but try and get technology. They got beaten like the Nazis got beat by the reds.
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User avatar #81 to #79 - themarineelite (12/15/2015) [-]
>The brotherhood never went to war with the Enclave until Lyons took it upon himself to fight them in the capitol wasteland
You are right tho
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#83 to #81 - froggernaught (12/15/2015) [-]
Full on war. As in declared open war on them.

its not really war when it's the old guard in a military base against the combined forces of two major players. It's more of an operation, or a skirmish.

Operation remove Enclave.
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User avatar #74 to #49 - MrDeadiron (12/15/2015) [-]
Why would they kill of the Lyons? Why didnt they just have them come from the midwest?
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#77 to #74 - froggernaught (12/15/2015) [-]
Owen Lyons was originally from the BoS home bunkers. As he grew older he became unhappy with the brotherhoods methods and often spoke out against their ways and traditions. Over the years he gained a fairly large following among him peers. The BoS command could silence him due to his ability as a leader and his ever growing following. So they gave him and his group the task of traveling to the East coast to scavenge the DC wasteland for technology and set up a new chapter. With him gone no one would join his cause and he might even straighten out.

Months passed and Lyons and company made it to the DC wasteland where they found the ruins of the pentagon, super mutants, and the ailing people of the Capital. Not only did he not straighten out, but he outright forsook the teachings of the brotherhood to help the people of the wasteland and beat back the mutant hoards and the other terrors of the wasteland. He's been out on the east coast for 20 years trying to make things better. But he and his men don't have the manpower, technology or the resources to fight a war on the scale needed. Thats when the Wanderer showed up. This one man army came in and did what the brotherhood needed done, paving the way for them to become the powerhouse that they are.

Thanks to the wanderer the brotherhood beat the Enclave, gained vast amounts of tech, secured new bases and were able to set forth plans to build the Prydwen. That's when Lyons died of old age, shortly after that his daughter died in battle. And after that some poor group of wrighters had to wright out most of the named BoS characters who would have been viable Elders so that Maxson could be elder and lead the brotherhood.
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User avatar #84 to #77 - MrDeadiron (12/15/2015) [-]
I really wished Bethesda would hire some more writers who would tell them something is stupid as **** .
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#88 to #84 - froggernaught (12/15/2015) [-]
Yeah. I like that they have fun with their own canon and lore but at the same time the serious and visible stuff that alters the whole state of the world has to stay consistent and good. Otherwise they turn into Games workshop.

I love Fallout 4 and the rest of the franchise. But compared to the Elder Scrolls series, they are lazy with Fallout. Elder scrolls keeps coming back with deeper and deeper lore and history, characters that make sense, a vibrant world. On the other hand they treat Fallout as far less than that, a franchise they can do what they want with even if it turns to **** .
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User avatar #90 to #88 - MrDeadiron (12/15/2015) [-]
Yeah, I've noticed that even though I like Fallout more. I feel like the Fallout 4 is like a really big kiddy pool. It has lots of surface area, but little to no depth.
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#108 to #90 - froggernaught (12/15/2015) [-]
Yeah. I find little pockets everywhere, but they are very little pockets and are very few. Elder scrolls has a bajillion books, NPCs willing to tell you the whole history of the universe, and enough random dialogue that it fills out the world as a cohesive whole.

Fallout 4 feels like a deep world but they refused to fill it in with history and interesting tidbits. I find new stuff all the time, and I love it. But it feels they spent more time putting the world together than they did... well everything else.

Thats why I have high hopes for the expansions. Bethesda has shown before that they have the chops needed to make a deep story, look at the Elder scrolls, very deep world. The expansions need to be like New vegas, but better. In New Vegas the DLC formed a coherent and full story broken into chapters. Fallout 4s DLC needs to do the same on a greater scale. I hope in a year or two people go around saying "Man the expansions for fallout 4 are some of the best pieces of content bethesdas put out. I bought fallout 4, for the expansions". It's terrible to rely on DLC but i feel bethesda can pull it of.
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User avatar #109 to #108 - MrDeadiron (12/15/2015) [-]
Old World Blues was the only dlc from NV I really liked. I hope they dont do more of the same with 4.
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#110 to #109 - froggernaught (12/15/2015) [-]
yeah. I've heard speculation about at least one of the DLC taking place on the moon. Theres a bunch of stuff in game that references the moon and even the sea of tranquility. So maybe moon commies, maybe more aliens. Doesn't matter. They could turn fallout into full on 1950s scyfy campyness and as long as the writing was good I wouldn't care.
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User avatar #147 to #110 - thedoomdonkey (12/15/2015) [-]
from personal speculation, I feel that the DLC (if it follows the same trend as fallout 3) we will probs get a DLC related to a nearby area that has been affected by the bombs (like the Pitt and Point Lookout) I think it might be something Manhattan related, but thats just pure guesswork. going back to the moon speculation, thats entirely possible when you compare that to Mothership Zeta, as something out of this world pun definitely intended

I would also guess at probably a settlement building expansion or something small and silly like Hearthstone.

I dont know how likely it is, but I really, Really want to see a DLC that is based in a different country after the war. Like whats hinted at in the HMS Northern star which is filled with a bunch of Norwegian Ghouls
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User avatar #165 to #147 - nickelakon (12/15/2015) [-]
They have stated that Fallout will never take place outside of US already though
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User avatar #52 to #21 - stanpede (12/15/2015) [-]
It's obvious that the brotherhood is weaker only due to their numbers. Read up on that whole helios one bit where 150 brotherhood soldiers staved off a few thousand NCR based on tactics and tech alone ( fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Operation:_Sunburst ). Saying the brotherhood is weaker than the NCR is like saying the navy seals is weaker than the US army. Sure in a fight the army would win because they outnumber the seals by a great number, but they are two distinct groups with distinct goals, and the brotherhood is very good at completing their goals.

Granted the NCR could wipe the brotherhood off the planet if they so choose, but it's purely a number game, and the brotherhood is by no means pitiful: they'd put up quite the fight.
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User avatar #56 to #52 - lilnuggetbob ONLINE (12/15/2015) [-]
>>#49,
>>#52,

You both make good points, but the one i was trying to make is this;
The Brotherhood of Steel is powerful, but not NEARLY as powerful as they could be.
The rule in their Codex mostly limit their potental, instead of expanding upon it.

If the BoS was a bit more outgoing and friendly to outsiders, they could have a lot more cannon-fodder and resources for wars And Land, so falling back once or twice doesn't mean that they have to pretty much start over.

Hell, if they were always like that, they could be on par, or greater in power than groups like the NCR.
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#57 to #56 - froggernaught (12/15/2015) [-]
Yes. Nobody is living up to their full potential.

Thanks Maxson.
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User avatar #59 to #57 - lilnuggetbob ONLINE (12/15/2015) [-]
He lives up to his full potential as a general, or military leader.
But thats it.

The brotherhood lacks vital infrastructure, that is necessary to survive properly when not sustaining off of enemy resources.
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#61 to #59 - froggernaught (12/15/2015) [-]
They stole the reactor that powered rivet city so they could build an airship.
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User avatar #62 to #61 - lilnuggetbob ONLINE (12/15/2015) [-]
Oh, I didn't know that.

Another reason as to why the brotherhood is slowly dieing.
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#64 to #62 - froggernaught (12/15/2015) [-]
Yeah. They stole the one thing that kept on of the only major settlements in the DC area so they could build an airship. Granted it was elder Lyons Idea to build the ship using what was left at Adams airforce base. But he died before the ship was finished.

They also claim that the DC wasteland is much worse than the Commonwealth. What with it's clean water, towns, and heavily armored warriors.

The commonwealth has one actual city. Everything else is family run farms or wasters trying to eak out a life. One settlement of any kind of size, surrounded on all sides by raiders, ghouls and supermutants.
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#118 to #64 - ashendashin (12/15/2015) [-]
Maybe the BoS got huge boners from all the free power armor just lying around and came to a unanimous decision that the commonwealth is ****** rad?
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#170 to #118 - froggernaught (12/15/2015) [-]
That might be it.
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User avatar #136 to #21 - fuzzyballs (12/15/2015) [-]
he specifically said the DC Wasteland chapter
the NCR isn't in this equation

also, the answer is "are they pitiful?" and they are not
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User avatar #169 to #136 - lilnuggetbob ONLINE (12/15/2015) [-]
>>#56,
I was saying that they are pitiful because they don't live up to anywhere near their full potential.
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User avatar #119 to #21 - brobathehutt (12/15/2015) [-]
They are sort of crazy so they really don't have that many people, plus they have a retarded and I do mean RETARDED way of dealing with people. Oh we need food, hey lets go terrorize farms. Oh wait you own 10 of them from being a helpful person? Terrorize them anyway. Like seriously they fight every little ******* thing they can when they really don't need to, I bet the minutemen will outnumber them soon too, because the minutemen under your leadership do things the right way and that can gain momentum quickly.
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User avatar #111 to #21 - sketchE ONLINE (12/15/2015) [-]
i think the simplest thing is the NCRs goal was nation building. they wanted to rebuild into a nation like the US while the brotherhoods goal was to collect technology. basicly the question of why was the enclave succseful when the brotherhood wasnt is that the enclave was former government and based upon that as opposed to being former military and based on that
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User avatar #7 to #5 - thamuz ONLINE (12/14/2015) [-]
Whaat?

Lyons is dead?

Well,he was an old crusty man. But I liked him.
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#8 to #7 - ulolbro (12/14/2015) [-]
Sorry, apparently he died about a year after Fallout 3 of natural causes.

His daughter took charge, but died in combat shortly after. So that little twerp Maxson from Fallout 3 is now in charge.
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User avatar #9 to #8 - thamuz ONLINE (12/14/2015) [-]
Damn man.

Those are feels. I liked both of the Lyons.

Well,at least Bittercup is still alive.

Even if she's a freaky whore.
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User avatar #22 to #9 - cronos (12/14/2015) [-]
What's this about Bittercup being alive?
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User avatar #20 to #8 - zetsuboukamina (12/14/2015) [-]
But Sarah died in Project Purity
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User avatar #28 to #20 - andriod (12/15/2015) [-]
DLC makes her survive it
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#18 - removekimchi (12/14/2015) [-]
"Excuse me, Communnvelth citizen, haff you seen any synth scum near this premises?"
"Harboring a synth is a crime punishable by death, you know..."
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User avatar #30 to #25 - bothemastaofall (12/15/2015) [-]
lol
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#16 - BoSvNCR (12/14/2015) [-]
Maxson even has a Hitler Youth style haircut
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#23 to #16 - cough (12/15/2015) [-]
Everybody does nowadays
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#6 - marcusvega (12/14/2015) [-]
Brotherhood of Steel Nazi Overhaul mod.

Also i just realised that Synth give the game a cold war feeling.
Instead of chasing communists we are chasing synths.
Same paranoia different ennemy.
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#33 to #6 - gerfox (12/15/2015) [-]
Or just a Nazi feeling. Instead of chasing down communist, jews, homosexuals, gypsies and generally the opposition - you are chasing down synths, ghouls and super mutants.
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User avatar #121 to #33 - brobathehutt (12/15/2015) [-]
Though to be fair all of those things are mostly composed of enemies, and it's not like the bos is kind to gunners or raiders but rather just doesn't go out of their way to murder them whilst there are still monsters to kill. Really destroying the institute is a good thing, and there is literally only 1 good super mutant in the game (virgil doesn't count). The only thing the BoS is being ***** about is killing non-feral ghouls who as far as I have seen actually have the least bad apples of all the ***** in falllout, somehow. Apparently radiation has a chance at making you a nicer person, or maybe living for over a hundred years does.
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#123 to #121 - gerfox (12/15/2015) [-]
Maybe its because some of the ghouls have lived since before the war?
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User avatar #127 to #123 - brobathehutt (12/15/2015) [-]
I think that is part of it, the pre-war ghouls you meat in 4 are all peaceful (and tragic), but even the ghouls that aren't pre-war are pretty alright, they aren't raiders and only a few are actually gangsters. Most of them are farmers or shopkeepers. On the other hand the BoS is also the only entity actively engaging in removing feral ghouls (not counting yourself), the minutemen don't have the resources (not counting yourself again) but would probably be the only other group that would actively go remove ferals for a good reason. The institute just ignores them and the railroad does too, which is ******* retarded given that they are the biggest issue alongside the super mutants. It's kind of silly how hard the railroad/institute will ignore feral ghouls, it's like they don't exist to them.
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#78 - themarineelite (12/15/2015) [-]
I just hope the Enclave makes a comeback somehow
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User avatar #142 to #78 - fuzzyballs (12/15/2015) [-]
I mean
you basically just completely destroyed them twice already
they can't have that much firepower left
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#130 to #78 - asasqw (12/15/2015) [-]
We have another massive outpost in Chicago
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#85 to #78 - lemanrouste (12/15/2015) [-]
Hopefully the good guys make their come back in DLC. And you'll get to join them this time.
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User avatar #120 to #85 - ILoveFurries (12/15/2015) [-]
If not, there's always mods. Enclave overhauls, Enclave outposts/bases, and of course a a perk to add you to the Enclave faction existed in both Fallout 3 and NV.
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User avatar #167 to #120 - lemanrouste (12/15/2015) [-]
Those were always fun. But I dunno, still kinda hoping Bethesda will add them in and joinable, kind of a thought that counts kinda thing, showing they know they have a huge fan base that loves the Enclave.
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User avatar #32 - Accidentalninja (12/15/2015) [-]
All the factions suck in this they're so up their own asses trying to do the wrong things for the right reasons that its just annoying. They could all save **** , but no, even being "evil" doesn't really give you any satisfaction. They all just suck my nuts, I would rather create the me faction and kill them all.
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User avatar #122 to #32 - brobathehutt (12/15/2015) [-]
Does that include the minutemen? They seem to be doing the right thing all the time once Preston gives you full command.
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User avatar #60 to #32 - iamchicken (12/15/2015) [-]
Do what I did in your situation.
>Get X-01 power armor
>Do minute man quest-line to the point you unlock artillery
>Cover the map with your settlements and artillery
>Become Enclave Rambo and kill literally whoever you want while supported by arty.
>If on PC replace the BoS Flag texture with an Enclave one.
>Dominate the Commonwealth as Enclave Rambo
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#104 to #60 - Minnesota (12/15/2015) [-]
"Enclave Rambo"

I like the way you think.
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#2 - aguycalledlee (12/14/2015) [-]
>Bruderschaft aus Stahl
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#80 - zeldapronmaster (12/15/2015) [-]
waiting... waiting...
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User avatar #163 to #80 - thegamegestapo (12/15/2015) [-]
NCR and proud!
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User avatar #159 to #80 - thesovereigngrave (12/15/2015) [-]
You'll be waiting forever then. No way in hell they'll get to the East Coast. They were already starting to get overextended in New Vegas.
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User avatar #113 to #80 - namenotallowed (12/15/2015) [-]
I need more NCR Rangers in my life, sexiest armor out of all the games.
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#42 - verycoolcat (12/15/2015) [-]
Never was a fan of the brotherhood of steel. Bunch of jackasses since fallout 1.

They are a bunch of guys who get technology for their own use and hide behind power armor.

NCR Rangers hide behind their own badassery.
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User avatar #73 to #42 - decon (12/15/2015) [-]
Yeah rangers were awesome, *sigh* I guess NV will always be my favorite
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User avatar #58 to #42 - feelythefeel (12/15/2015) [-]
BoS never got good until 4. Even then, only because they're a glorified excuse to have an Enclave stand in.
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User avatar #55 to #42 - venegal (12/15/2015) [-]
I have to agree when you say that any NCR Veteran Ranger is a badass,with the BOS not everyone who's wearing power armor is cool some of them are just idiots inside power armor.

However, the BOS might be a bunch of jackasses hording technology but the NCR ain't no saint. They're not that different from the Legion, ruthless, merciless, seeing the rest of the wasteland individuals as "inferior" beings who must be protected so long as they turn over the land and resources that the NCR wants.
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User avatar #46 to #42 - ideletedmyotherone ONLINE (12/15/2015) [-]
And guns with caliber so large they could be considered anti-air cannons, don't forget about those.
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User avatar #91 to #42 - severepwner (12/15/2015) [-]
The reason I appreciate the NCR, they maybe a bit corrupt, do some bad things, and generally not perfect, they still do good things, and have good intentions in all things.

This chapter of BoS does bad things with bad and selfish intentions. It's absolute ********* .
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#29 - bothemastaofall (12/15/2015) [-]
GIF
Yeah seriously, I don't understand why people like the BoS. Maybe it's just the cool tech?

In F3 they were cool, but it's explained the only reason they're good is because the elder assigned to that region broke tons of protocol and grew his heart 3 sizes that day to help the natives. The "outcasts", explain this, and are awaiting reinforcements from the west to depose the elder in Capital Wasteland.
And even then, they're still a fascist regime where every facet of life is dominated by military service.

In F4 they invade, pursuing tech, and command their forces to demand crops from the locals as protection money. They are the single most un-American element in all of Fallout. While they appear good, they are only good compared to their surroundings. Given time there would be dissent once the BoS created a more stable society where survival was no longer a daily concern, as always happens with totalitarian governments.
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User avatar #131 to #29 - asasqw (12/15/2015) [-]
Most of the games they give you power armor training, that and most people didn't play the first two so their only experiences with them are as the "good guys" in fallout 3 and being kinda justifiably paranoid in NV
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User avatar #68 to #29 - thesovereigngrave (12/15/2015) [-]
Well considering the American government prior to the Great War, they sound pretty American to me.
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#34 to #29 - gerfox (12/15/2015) [-]
I like how you say that they demand crops as protection money. To steal or confiscate crops has been a basic part of warfare to feed your army for centuries, even millenia.
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User avatar #35 to #34 - bothemastaofall (12/15/2015) [-]
Yes I'm well aware. None of the good guys ever do it.
"America does it"
And we pay them.
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#38 to #35 - gerfox (12/15/2015) [-]
And "the good guys" is a very objective statement. Who was the "good guys" in the League Wars, the war for the Spanish succession or the hundred years war? All sides confiscated crops.
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User avatar #40 to #38 - bothemastaofall (12/15/2015) [-]
>Stealing crops and being dicks to citizens
There were good guys?
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#41 to #40 - gerfox (12/15/2015) [-]
Okay, then I guess good guys didn't exist until America came along. That doesn't seem pretentious at all.
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User avatar #44 to #41 - bothemastaofall (12/15/2015) [-]
Once you graduate from strawmen maybe you can fight a real opponent.
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#45 to #44 - gerfox (12/15/2015) [-]
Awesome.
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#36 to #35 - gerfox (12/15/2015) [-]
It havent been commonplace since WW2 or before though. Anywhere.
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User avatar #150 to #17 - scorcho (12/15/2015) [-]
3rd gen synths are human.
there is no way anyone can deny that after seeing how they are made.
they shouldn't exist, and the institute shouldn't be making humans like that,
but you can't honestly call them machines, without seeing that you yourself are a machine by extension.
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#114 - mcmanybucks (12/15/2015) [-]
I dont see the citizens complaining. we got rid of the synths. ive personally exterminated all dangerous supermutants. theres no longer any crime as anyones afraid to make a move with me patrolling the commonwealth. ive also upgraded most huge settlement locations house 30+ settlers. and most of them have jobs.

10/10 would side with the Brotherhood again.
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User avatar #140 to #114 - fuzzyballs (12/15/2015) [-]
30+?
you have mods, don't you?
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User avatar #155 to #140 - mcmanybucks (12/15/2015) [-]
modding a bethesda game? please, they have enough substance as it.


/s/
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User avatar #149 to #114 - tanitakavirius (12/15/2015) [-]
"I don't see the citizens complaining. we got rid of the JEWS. I've personally exterminated all dangerous COMMIES. There's no longer any crime as anyone's afraid to make a move with me patrolling the commonwealth. I've also upgraded most huge settlement locations house 30+ settlers. And most of them have jobs.

10/10 would side with the NAZIS again."

The comparison is possible though.
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#152 to #149 - corndood (12/15/2015) [-]
No crime tho, I mean that's pretty bomb
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User avatar #156 to #149 - mcmanybucks (12/15/2015) [-]
Imagine if the only goal the Nazi's had was eradicating the jews

now imagine that the jews attempted to force every human being into becoming a jew.

and jew not only being a religion, but means laser-surgery with the nose, front teeth, curls, a speech impediment and everything.


would the nazis have been that bad then?
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User avatar #132 - morelazors (12/15/2015) [-]
I don't know who to side with in Fallout 4.

BoS are power armour tech nazis.

Railroad are a bunch of crazy hippies.

Institute is basically Skynet. Plus they stole my kid.

And the Minutemen are useless and I hate Preston STOP GIVING ME QUESTS YOU **** I'VE HELPED ABERNATHY FARMS WITH THEIR RAIDER TROUBLES 12 ******* TIMES NOW

What FO4 really needs was a " **** you, I side with myself" option like you had in New Vegas.
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User avatar #139 to #132 - fuzzyballs (12/15/2015) [-]
do you want to be the good guy? railroad
want to be the bad guy? institute or BoS
want to be the neutral guy, but with the best ending possible for Boston? go with the Minute Men

they don't have strong opinions on synths either way, and they just want to make Boston a safe place by banding together
I did the MM ending by accident, but I didn't regret it 15 minutes later because I realised the BoS would want to destroy the Railroad too
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User avatar #145 to #139 - gabemczombie ONLINE (12/15/2015) [-]
I'd say that BoS is more in the gray. Sure they don't care about anything other than securing tech but they did murder the railroad and they nuked a part of boston but they also provide protection for the people of the commonwealth and... Okay they're pretty bad.
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User avatar #154 to #132 - heartbleed ONLINE (12/15/2015) [-]
I went Institute because they are the future of the commonwealth. They're actually making progress unlike the BoS who are stuck in the past. With my character at the helm of the Institute I think they'd do wonderful things. Just get rid of the SRB and maybe get rid of the mark III synths, or atleast remove the 'human-ness' from them.
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#95 - roannoke (12/15/2015) [-]
Actually my roommate and I were comparing that earlier this month

Brother hood of Steel: Nazi's

Minute Men: America (Obviously)

Railroad: Hippie Douchers

Institute: Russia



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User avatar #101 to #95 - randacc (12/15/2015) [-]
maybe the institute might be more chinese, highly technological and a worthy adversary for the minute men like america fighting china in the past, history retold
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User avatar #141 to #101 - fuzzyballs (12/15/2015) [-]
"worthy adversary"
when the game starts, the only active minute men is Preston
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User avatar #166 to #141 - randacc (12/15/2015) [-]
They also werent directly fighting the institute, they also did not have and a general and is the whole point of that questline to bring u the minutemen to fight a powerful faction, they are worthy adversaries because that is literally how the game goes, no matter what ending you are still the general of the minutemen defeating institute, railroad, or brotherhood
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#116 - lulzdealer (12/15/2015) [-]
The East Coast BoS is always and forever based.

Maxson Did Nothing Wrong.
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User avatar #117 to #116 - schneidend (12/15/2015) [-]
> drinking artificial cum

Just another day in the life of Elder Maxson.
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User avatar #1 - demonbreadofnorth ONLINE (12/14/2015) [-]
minute best men
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User avatar #47 to #1 - arsenalthegunners (12/15/2015) [-]
based minutemen
I legit got so bummed out when I went to prydwen, they just came in and straight up wanted to shoot synths, who didnt have a choice when they were made. Also institute sucks ass as well because of their experiements. Other factions are dickwads (kinda) as well. The only 2 factions/groups I followed and helped were minutemen and diamond city. The city was well defended and minded its own buisness. minutemen just wanted to rebuild commonwealth with peace and violence ONLY if necessary to defend themselves.
Needles to say I (being a casual) turned on some cheats and murdered the entire ****** ships crew in the beginning #inside job.
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#67 - siksiksikki (12/15/2015) [-]
Okay, so I played through FO4 in it's entirety a grand total of once, and I clearly didn't do it right the first time so could someone shed some light on a couple burning questions?

1. Doesn't practically everyone in the Wasteland but the Institute and Railroad want to kill synths- not just the Brotherhood?

2. What is all this weird **** I keep hearing about the Railroad being sketchy as **** ? They seemed like what I was expecting since Fo3 in the short time I had encountered them for the main story.

3. Isn't the Institute still bad on the account of kidnapping people and replacing them with synths and sending synths to massacre entire settlements like University Point?
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User avatar #75 to #67 - davidbowiesensei (12/15/2015) [-]
1. More or less, but there are other scattered NPCs that believe that synths aren't all bad. There are also Synths that exhibit enough sentience to be considered an artificial human (ex. Valentine), therefore making the Brotherhood's argument that all Synths are just dangerous machines that will kill people rather moot and extremist.

2. There is a part where the Railroad wants to cover for a serial killer just because they're a synth. Basically synth dindu nuffin'. They're really radical with their pro-Synth ideology to a fault.

3. Yeah pretty much.
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User avatar #124 to #75 - toafirox (12/15/2015) [-]
When was the second point? I don't remember that part
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