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princessren (09/28/2013) [-] 
this content....
kinda makes me hate Rose that much more
I am sorry I am so so sorry
kinda makes me hate Rose that much more
I am sorry I am so so sorry
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princessren (09/28/2013) [-] I'm not sure
maybe because she, near the end of her last season
was just so in love with The Doctor....she was like a puppy and it got very annoying
especially as time went on it became this was mostly just some kinda puppy love thing....and you have all these people like Martha who left on her own even though she was all head over heels for the Doctor during her season and was like "I'll see you again, Mister" or Donna who well....wasn;t in love with him at all
and Amy who basically kinda sacrificed her self I suppose in a way to be with Rory, and she was just like "goodbye"
then you have Rose who just....well...didn't really do much....she got saved by the Doctor and was a total bee with an itch to her mom because she had to be with The Doctor, she just became so helpless and her last words were her helplessly in another dimension saying I love you.
of course she has her own human Doctor now and they can grow old together and whatnot
but it just shows how badly I think her character developed in her seasons.
sorry for the rant
maybe because she, near the end of her last season
was just so in love with The Doctor....she was like a puppy and it got very annoying
especially as time went on it became this was mostly just some kinda puppy love thing....and you have all these people like Martha who left on her own even though she was all head over heels for the Doctor during her season and was like "I'll see you again, Mister" or Donna who well....wasn;t in love with him at all
and Amy who basically kinda sacrificed her self I suppose in a way to be with Rory, and she was just like "goodbye"
then you have Rose who just....well...didn't really do much....she got saved by the Doctor and was a total bee with an itch to her mom because she had to be with The Doctor, she just became so helpless and her last words were her helplessly in another dimension saying I love you.
of course she has her own human Doctor now and they can grow old together and whatnot
but it just shows how badly I think her character developed in her seasons.
sorry for the rant
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skysailor (09/29/2013) [-] OBJECTION.JPG
I must disagree. I believe Rose played a very important role in the life of the Doctor. One that wasn't emphasized, but incredibly important. It's a bit vague in my head, but I'll do my best to explain.
Upon their goodbye, the Doctor told Rose to stay with him clone. He was born with that anger that the Doctor possessed before meeting Rose. Rose helped calm the Doctor's anger and made him a better person. That's just my take.
I must disagree. I believe Rose played a very important role in the life of the Doctor. One that wasn't emphasized, but incredibly important. It's a bit vague in my head, but I'll do my best to explain.
Upon their goodbye, the Doctor told Rose to stay with him clone. He was born with that anger that the Doctor possessed before meeting Rose. Rose helped calm the Doctor's anger and made him a better person. That's just my take.
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princessren (09/29/2013) [-] was this really a good enough rebuttal to get 8 thumbs?
honestly whovians...you say one bad thing about Rose....
for starters I never said she didn't help heal him after the war, infact I state it down below in my other comment that she did
I am not talking about that
I am simply talking about her character and it's development
you are basically saying her character is good just because she is there and she was The first companion after the war
honestly whovians...you say one bad thing about Rose....
for starters I never said she didn't help heal him after the war, infact I state it down below in my other comment that she did
I am not talking about that
I am simply talking about her character and it's development
you are basically saying her character is good just because she is there and she was The first companion after the war
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princessren (09/29/2013) [-] oh, no
I agree with you on that part
but herself as a character didn't grow much I feel
and she wasn't The Doctor's "true love"
I agree with you on that part
but herself as a character didn't grow much I feel
and she wasn't The Doctor's "true love"
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princessren (09/29/2013) [-] I haven't seen all of Sarah Jane's classic episodes
but I just tend to stay away from shipping people unless it is blatantly written in the script that they are a thing
that might just be me
like I have seen people try to ship The Doctor and Clara and I am just like....eh
MFW
but I just tend to stay away from shipping people unless it is blatantly written in the script that they are a thing
that might just be me
like I have seen people try to ship The Doctor and Clara and I am just like....eh
MFW
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snowshark (09/29/2013) [-] Honestly, it's not shipping. Not only was it firmly in the minds of both the actors and the writer but the fans as well. It was never stated out loud but it is always there. There is something between the two that goes beyond simple companionship and everyone on the team worked very hard to put it there.
Compare that with Rose where every 15 seconds we need an update of how much they're in love and how she'd die for him and urgh, who needs subtlety amiright? Let's just let the 13 year old girl write the romance element shall we? (It's not Rose's fault though since she is actually really enjoyable in the Moffat Episodes. It's all down to Davies' inability to write well.)
River Song was a welcome change of pace, especially given that it was not only subtle but took it's time and played about with the audience's expectations using the time-travel element. However it still doesn't come close to the same relationship between him and SJ and frankly it's for the better. Him and River have something very different. Whilst Sarah and The Doctor were more subtle and understated, communicated in glances, subtle gestures and stares (really subtle ones. Not too long to ever be obvious.) River and 11 hit the ground running like a second marriage. It's all jokes and clearly they're having fun all the time with it.
And you think those goodbyes hurt?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=veI1_9rulGY
This is the goodbye that hurts the most. Not Rose's over-emotional teary-eyed farewell where she gets a perfect ending with all her family and her very own doctor.
Not Martha's bittersweet acceptance of her time to move on.
Nor Donna's forgetting of everything that happened.
Not even Amy's sacrifice for Rory (which doesn't make much sense since can't he just go back to like a year afterwards when the timey stuff's calmed down and see them living their lives in old New York? Or just zip somewhere else and travel there by train?)
The Doctor wishes her well, says goodbye and leaves quietly
Compare that with Rose where every 15 seconds we need an update of how much they're in love and how she'd die for him and urgh, who needs subtlety amiright? Let's just let the 13 year old girl write the romance element shall we? (It's not Rose's fault though since she is actually really enjoyable in the Moffat Episodes. It's all down to Davies' inability to write well.)
River Song was a welcome change of pace, especially given that it was not only subtle but took it's time and played about with the audience's expectations using the time-travel element. However it still doesn't come close to the same relationship between him and SJ and frankly it's for the better. Him and River have something very different. Whilst Sarah and The Doctor were more subtle and understated, communicated in glances, subtle gestures and stares (really subtle ones. Not too long to ever be obvious.) River and 11 hit the ground running like a second marriage. It's all jokes and clearly they're having fun all the time with it.
And you think those goodbyes hurt?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=veI1_9rulGY
This is the goodbye that hurts the most. Not Rose's over-emotional teary-eyed farewell where she gets a perfect ending with all her family and her very own doctor.
Not Martha's bittersweet acceptance of her time to move on.
Nor Donna's forgetting of everything that happened.
Not even Amy's sacrifice for Rory (which doesn't make much sense since can't he just go back to like a year afterwards when the timey stuff's calmed down and see them living their lives in old New York? Or just zip somewhere else and travel there by train?)
The Doctor wishes her well, says goodbye and leaves quietly
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princessren (09/29/2013) [-] hm...well...I have seen all the new episodes with Sarah Jane
I never really got the romantic relationship thing from it though
I mean, from her yeah. she states that she had feelings for him in School Reunion
but it just kinda seemed like she was just someone The Doctor cared about and knew very much....I haven't seen all her episodes though
also...it was something about a fixed timeline
they were in a graveyard and it showed them their tombstones
so it has to happen or something....because they read it, I don't know, just trust The Doctor
I never really got the romantic relationship thing from it though
I mean, from her yeah. she states that she had feelings for him in School Reunion
but it just kinda seemed like she was just someone The Doctor cared about and knew very much....I haven't seen all her episodes though
also...it was something about a fixed timeline
they were in a graveyard and it showed them their tombstones
so it has to happen or something....because they read it, I don't know, just trust The Doctor
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snowshark (09/29/2013) [-] That's because Davies is not only a terrible writer but a terrible professional and spat on anyone's ideas but his own (he basically kneecapped Moffat's run by making the last year of his run a mournful testament to Tennant disappearing and ending with likes that even Tennant hated "I don't wanna go." which y'know... kind of a dick move and made it very hard to accept a new Doctor in the role.)
He shunned much of the classic mythos, explaining numerous times that he neither knew much about it nor cared such, butchering many years of canon work by a number of showrunners including the late, great Douglas Addams of Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy fame (one of the most important works of science-fiction ever.)
To Davies, nothing previously mattered and he went out of his way to get his way. Moffat performed a masterstroke by rendering all of Davies work moot through the plot of the first arc ridding everyone's memories of the crucible and all other ridiculously blatant extraterrestrial activity (for the sake of new viewers and the status-quo).
As for the thing about Amy and Rory. Whilst their deaths is a fixed point in time, their lives aren't. He could still go back in time to see them whenever he wants or is New York completely cut-off from time travel now? Moffat may be a MUCH better writer than Davies (though he could claim that title simply by being not awful so it's not that big a complement) he isn't so good with tying up all the loose ends.
Moffat's more of a story guy. He makes stories with good character interaction and powerful threats whilst injecting the odd bit of fan-service and keeping true to the Dr. Who themes. He just doesn't clean up after himself as well as he does others.
He shunned much of the classic mythos, explaining numerous times that he neither knew much about it nor cared such, butchering many years of canon work by a number of showrunners including the late, great Douglas Addams of Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy fame (one of the most important works of science-fiction ever.)
To Davies, nothing previously mattered and he went out of his way to get his way. Moffat performed a masterstroke by rendering all of Davies work moot through the plot of the first arc ridding everyone's memories of the crucible and all other ridiculously blatant extraterrestrial activity (for the sake of new viewers and the status-quo).
As for the thing about Amy and Rory. Whilst their deaths is a fixed point in time, their lives aren't. He could still go back in time to see them whenever he wants or is New York completely cut-off from time travel now? Moffat may be a MUCH better writer than Davies (though he could claim that title simply by being not awful so it's not that big a complement) he isn't so good with tying up all the loose ends.
Moffat's more of a story guy. He makes stories with good character interaction and powerful threats whilst injecting the odd bit of fan-service and keeping true to the Dr. Who themes. He just doesn't clean up after himself as well as he does others.
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princessren (09/29/2013) [-] it's a shame
they had some good individual stories in Davies years
but overall it's just like....meh
I am glad he left, I believe to work on Torchwood, as he was so set on having everything in the modern day....I don't know
and as for when things don't clean up nicely in Doctor Who
I just think about it until it makes sense for me and then roll with that
they had some good individual stories in Davies years
but overall it's just like....meh
I am glad he left, I believe to work on Torchwood, as he was so set on having everything in the modern day....I don't know
and as for when things don't clean up nicely in Doctor Who
I just think about it until it makes sense for me and then roll with that
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snowshark (09/29/2013) [-] I just accept that Moffat's a little incompetent when it comes to his loose ends. A story, to be really enjoyed, must be seen from both sides of the pen because it is as much the writer you are watching as the actors.
Still, the only good story Davies ever wrote was 'Midnight'. It also happens to be his least favourite. It was the closest to classic who, shot on a small budget on an enclosed set with actors just allowed to be actors with minimal CG.
'The Empty Child', 'Midnight in the Library', 'The Girl in the Fireplace' and 'Blink' were all penned by Moffat and never did Davies 'get' the characters like Moffat did, even if Davies was the one who wrote them.
Still, the only good story Davies ever wrote was 'Midnight'. It also happens to be his least favourite. It was the closest to classic who, shot on a small budget on an enclosed set with actors just allowed to be actors with minimal CG.
'The Empty Child', 'Midnight in the Library', 'The Girl in the Fireplace' and 'Blink' were all penned by Moffat and never did Davies 'get' the characters like Moffat did, even if Davies was the one who wrote them.
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princessren (09/29/2013) [-] I don't like to insult him
but...yeah
I am really glad he isn't the head writer anymore
I mean...all of space and time and you go to London every christmas for 3 consecutive years...I mean...they even put that in the plot that it was getting predictable
and I mean
Daleks and Cybermen fighting in modern day London?
the world....in modern time I might ad, getting teleported or whatever by the Daleks?
Galifrey like...I forget what it was but it was like appearing above the earth....in modern day
really Russell?...really?
but...yeah
I am really glad he isn't the head writer anymore
I mean...all of space and time and you go to London every christmas for 3 consecutive years...I mean...they even put that in the plot that it was getting predictable
and I mean
Daleks and Cybermen fighting in modern day London?
the world....in modern time I might ad, getting teleported or whatever by the Daleks?
Galifrey like...I forget what it was but it was like appearing above the earth....in modern day
really Russell?...really?
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snowshark (09/29/2013) [-] I personally really liked the idea of Cybermen fighting Daleks but what's the point when the Daleks just demolish them. The new Cybermen are more threatening but the design is much less interesting. It's way too plastic for my tastes but eh, it wouldn't be the first re-design to go poorly.
And I dislike insulting people too but when I think of all the stuff that Davies actions have not only done to harm the longest-running sci-fi show of all time (with the most episodes, well over 800 of them as a matter of fact) but also to the fanbase, turning people into rose-minded morons, completely distorting their views on what Dr. Who is about, ******** on the classic mythos AND to top it all off the disrespect he showed to not only his contemporaries, but his actors.
As a learned actor, director, and writer I find his conduct to be morally inexcusable on the same level as Michael Bay with Transformers, nay, below him because even he had the good sense to reboot the series before raping it.
I tend not to get bitchy about things but this sticks in my craw. I don't hate the guy but I hate the negative impact he has had on the fanbase AND the canon universe and BOY am I glad to see Moffat picking up the old plot threads of the Cartmel Masterplan.
If you don't know what it is, take a look. There may be spoilers as to the 50th anniversary but recently it seems to be focussing more on the Valeyard with only hints of the Masterplan in there.
Either way, it's a wonderful loredump for whovians.
thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/teamt/nash/specials/36631-doctor-who-classic-the-cartmel-masterplan
And I dislike insulting people too but when I think of all the stuff that Davies actions have not only done to harm the longest-running sci-fi show of all time (with the most episodes, well over 800 of them as a matter of fact) but also to the fanbase, turning people into rose-minded morons, completely distorting their views on what Dr. Who is about, ******** on the classic mythos AND to top it all off the disrespect he showed to not only his contemporaries, but his actors.
As a learned actor, director, and writer I find his conduct to be morally inexcusable on the same level as Michael Bay with Transformers, nay, below him because even he had the good sense to reboot the series before raping it.
I tend not to get bitchy about things but this sticks in my craw. I don't hate the guy but I hate the negative impact he has had on the fanbase AND the canon universe and BOY am I glad to see Moffat picking up the old plot threads of the Cartmel Masterplan.
If you don't know what it is, take a look. There may be spoilers as to the 50th anniversary but recently it seems to be focussing more on the Valeyard with only hints of the Masterplan in there.
Either way, it's a wonderful loredump for whovians.
thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/teamt/nash/specials/36631-doctor-who-classic-the-cartmel-masterplan
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princessren (09/29/2013) [-] I am not really sure what that link is for
does it spoil an episode in the classic series or something?
does it spoil an episode in the classic series or something?
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snowshark (09/29/2013) [-] It is a loredump by an internet personality. He's kinda well-known in the whovian community as is his colaborator for the episode 'Linkara'.
It doesn't spoil anything so much as it is a glimpse of what may be to come, including plenty of dropped plot-threads from the old series before it was cancelled that are to do with something called the Cartmel Masterplan.
The Valeyard is something different and worth googling yourself but none of this stuff is really spoilers.
It doesn't spoil anything so much as it is a glimpse of what may be to come, including plenty of dropped plot-threads from the old series before it was cancelled that are to do with something called the Cartmel Masterplan.
The Valeyard is something different and worth googling yourself but none of this stuff is really spoilers.
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princessren (09/29/2013) [-] I am so conflicted
I still kinda want to wait until I am more caught up on the old series
I still kinda want to wait until I am more caught up on the old series
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princessren (09/29/2013) [-] but...are you sure?
it doesn't even mention stuff about the old series?
it doesn't even mention stuff about the old series?
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princessren (09/29/2013) [-] oh...a half hour?
that's kinda long
I am doing things
that's kinda long
I am doing things
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itsmedumbass [OP](09/28/2013) [-] I actually hate Rose so i don't have anything against you. I'm just happy to have found a fellow Whovian who was able to voice their opinion.
And because of that I'm gonna send you a friend request
First time using hidden text, lets see if it worked
And because of that I'm gonna send you a friend request
First time using hidden text, lets see if it worked
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princessren (09/28/2013) [-] cool ^^
yeah...alot of Whovians like her
I'm not really sure why
I mean I liked her when I first watched the show, but as I saw more and more seasons and companions I was just like meh
like....I don't understand why people are like "Rose was The Doctor's true love"
it was so....like...honeymoon stage with them
I respect that The Doctor needed it after the Time War
but...she was just kinda like a puppy
especially if we compare his relationship with River with Rose
River and The Doctor were equals in some regards, they flirted, and argued like a married couple (they were a married couple) and she even had some kind of time lord DNA in her
infact The Doctor even calls River his wife to other people
while with Rose it was "my friend"
I don;t know...I don;t get the deal with Rose
and I do not understand why people try and say Rose and him were meant to be
sorry for ranting again
yeah...alot of Whovians like her
I'm not really sure why
I mean I liked her when I first watched the show, but as I saw more and more seasons and companions I was just like meh
like....I don't understand why people are like "Rose was The Doctor's true love"
it was so....like...honeymoon stage with them
I respect that The Doctor needed it after the Time War
but...she was just kinda like a puppy
especially if we compare his relationship with River with Rose
River and The Doctor were equals in some regards, they flirted, and argued like a married couple (they were a married couple) and she even had some kind of time lord DNA in her
infact The Doctor even calls River his wife to other people
while with Rose it was "my friend"
I don;t know...I don;t get the deal with Rose
and I do not understand why people try and say Rose and him were meant to be
sorry for ranting again
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itsmedumbass [OP](09/28/2013) [-] Ranting is fine. I think Rose's man job was to "heal" The Doctor after he came back from the Time War. Nine was a soldier who was haunted by his past, Rose made Ten more human and better in a way. That's all she really did.
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princessren (09/28/2013) [-] anyway...yeah...unless you want to discuss this further
I think I am done ranting about Rose
I think I am done ranting about Rose
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itsmedumbass [OP](09/28/2013) [-] Nah I'm good. Don't be surprised if someone hates on you because of their love for Rose.
