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#7 - jellybob ONLINE (06/13/2012) [-]
Confusing the two is a common mistake OP even though I know your just jumping on the anti religion bandwagon for thumbs but here's why that post is incorrect.
when in a cult you essentially surrender your free will to it's leader, what he says goes, cults are much more egocentric, trying to separate itself and it's members from the rest of society (jonestown and scientology are the biggest I can think of at the moment) with the belief they are superior in some way. While Religion is practiced as a community for the good of both the individual practitioner and his/her community both locally and worldwide.
User avatar #17 to #7 - pokemonstheshiz (06/13/2012) [-]
I believe cults sustained over time evolve into a religion.
#18 to #17 - jellybob ONLINE (06/13/2012) [-]
I respect your belief and can understand where you're coming from but again, that's an easy misconception to make. look at the beginning to Jim Jones' cult, at first it was a pretty legit organization based in a local church, but eventually he came to the conclusion that he and his followers were superior and should be separated, which eventually lead to the infamous mass suicide. Now look at the creation of say, the Catholic church, Jesus told his apostles and disciples to go into the world and do good deeds, that no man was superior to another and to do as much good for another as possible regardless of their belief. I know there are some that don't go with that, but they make up the bottom few percent of fundamentalist that take the Bible at face value unfortunately including the old testament. A cult can never become a religion because it is based on an egocentric system of beliefs.
User avatar #19 to #18 - pokemonstheshiz (06/13/2012) [-]
I see what you're trying to say, but you're speaking in the societal interpretation that cults are all bad, based on the actions of some.
It's not specifically, "worship me and drink cyanide" , it's just a smaller religion, with one particular leader at the top. Even Jesus would have been considered a cult then, they were a small group, and all obeyed his commands. Cult has become a label we give to religions that deviate from the masses, because it's now associated with the bad groups.
What I really meant by my statement is that as a cult gains a larger following, at some point society accepts defining it as a religion. Some of the cults died out, and were left at that label. Scientology is now growing, and it's nearing that defining line between cult and religion.
#20 to #19 - jellybob ONLINE (06/13/2012) [-]
Jesus and his followers were interpreted as a cult because the leaders of that time feared a rebellion, the teachings and beliefs then are the same now. That's the main difference between a cult and a religion as I said before, cults beliefs and actions are geared towards themselves and their fellow members, that's what I was trying to get across when I referenced Jonestown. It was that they all saw themselves as so much better than the rest of us to the point of building their own town and secluding themselves, killing any who tried to leave. The mass suicide, which was brought about by fanaticism, is an unfortunate similarity in between a cult and religion. But when it comes to time, it is inconsequential. Scientology isn't a "cult" by strict definition, it's called a "Client Cult" because it's members are required to pay to be enrolled. What happens after that falls under ordinary cult behavior.
User avatar #21 to #20 - pokemonstheshiz (06/13/2012) [-]
I'm pretty sure we're arguing about two different things here. What you are saying is a cult is where society has taught us is the line between the two, dividing it into good practices and bad. Separation from society is not always considered a cult, look at Buddhist monks or even Nuns (not completely isolated, but pretty close). There is a discrepancy between them in that there's not hatred towards non members, but wouldn't that eventually come into play in order for this cult to be accepted into society. I'm really trying to not offend you, so bear with me here.
Let me try and give it a play by play: We have a nonspecific cult, they are isolated from society socially ( if they physically isolate themselves, they're pretty much done for in societies eyes, forever labeled as a cult). Their religious leader tells them many things, some of which would currently be considered bad in society, some considered good. In order to gain acceptance and the status of a religion, they would have to adhere to the good, and either ignore the bad or loosely interpret it, otherwise society would label them as cult and they would gain no ground. Whether this happens immediately or eventually, change in interpretation does happen in religion. Once this cult becomes acceptable in societies eyes, they gain religion status. No religion has ever started out as accepted by society, they're always viewed as a threat at first, because they could unseat the current major religion. So they always start out as a cult, and are often blamed when things go wrong . Judaism became more or less of a cult as Christianity gained popularity in Europe, and after it became the major religion, the Jews were blamed for pretty much everything. Now we've moved beyond blaming other religions (for the most part) and they are accepted back into society. I've got more, so hold on for the next reply
User avatar #22 to #21 - pokemonstheshiz (06/13/2012) [-]
Refering to Christianity specifically, even they were not accepted into society, though they mostly taught love and compassion, because they deviated from the norm (the worshiping of the Roman gods, which I forget the name of). An example is when the great fire in Rome happened under Nero's rule, he blamed Christianity. After a little while, the Romans grew to join and accept Christianity, because they taught of kindness and promised eternal bliss, something the poor had no shot at in their current religion. This grew to be the major religion of Rome, and Rome's fame helped it to spread across Europe.

tl;dr Religions are always considered a cult at first, because they deviate from the norm and pose a threat to the current major religion.
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