Ricky you sassy cunt. . Atheism (ltot' t a Belief Systems; ' " 1. Saying atheism is a belief system is like saying not going skiing is a hobby. We never been sk
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Atheism (ltot' t a Belief Systems; ' "
1. Saying atheism
is a belief system
is like saying not
going skiing is a
hobby. We never
been skiing. It' s my
biggest hobby.
I literally do it all.
the time."
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#427 - sinceresandwich **User deleted account** has deleted their comment [-]
User avatar #386 - alhemicar (03/09/2013) [-]
Atheism = disbelief in one or more god or god-like creatures
That doesn't imply disbelieving in everything. One can belive into magic and he's an atheist. Atheism can be a belief system, but it's not imperative.
User avatar #381 - fancys (03/09/2013) [-]
I read the title as Dick you assy ****
Needless to say I was very confused.
#377 - snakefire ONLINE (03/09/2013) [-]
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#390 to #365 - rprzombie (03/09/2013) [-]
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Your point: "Disbelief is a belief"
Image statement: "To believe is not to disbelieve"

You've disagreed with a quote from a man who will never see this webpage and you're looking for others to argue his point on his behalf when your basically arguing against an opinion of a man who will never discuss this with you.

TL:DR, This is stupid; your comment is stupid.
User avatar #389 to #365 - noblexfenrir (03/09/2013) [-]
Question: Does god exist?

Yes/No- Gnosticism
I don't know- Agnosticism

Question: Do you believe in god?

Yes- Theist.
No- Atheist.

Therefor, agnostic atheist is someone who does not know with 100% certainty if there is a god or not, but they believe the evidence is not sufficient enough to prove one.

Why do people really have so much trouble understanding these terms.
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#376 to #365 - snakefire ONLINE (03/09/2013) [-]
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User avatar #383 to #382 - snakefire ONLINE (03/09/2013) [-]
Agnostics are unsure
they go skiing once in a while, but not enough to consider it a hobby

atheists don't go skiing at all
#385 to #383 - lieutenantshitface **User deleted account** has deleted their comment [-]
#387 to #385 - snakefire ONLINE (03/09/2013) [-]
That wasn't what I was arguing...
User avatar #364 - Cambro (03/09/2013) [-]
No, that's not how this works at all. Atheism is a metaphysical claim. Claiming atheism makes many claims about reality, including materialism. Because of the metaphysical claim that there is no god, atheists must also make a claim about how the universe got here, how we know this universe is real, and how we know reason is even valid (all of these arguments were classically debunked by a belief in God by Descartes and Leibniz). The claim there is no god is most definitely a claim, and the only reason to make such a distinction is so you can avoid answering the questions I listed above and instead just attack the Abrahamic God (not even a god, just the Christian/Muslim/Judeo God).
#361 - anonymous (03/09/2013) [-]
Ricky Gervais needs to shut the **** up about Atheism and religion. I swear to god that's all he talks about.
User avatar #360 - HarvietheDinkle (03/09/2013) [-]
Explicitly stating that god doesn't exist, which many atheists do, is a belief system.

Stating that you don't have a belief one way or the other? The closest you can get to that is agnosticism, unless you literally have put no thought into the concept of a deity.
#350 - ninjacamelpandas (03/09/2013) [-]

#346 - anonymous (03/09/2013) [-]
but.. it is a belief system...
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#357 to #353 - anonymous (03/09/2013) [-]
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#367 to #363 - anonymous (03/09/2013) [-]
a belief system is not several.. it is one belief
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#384 to #378 - blackandwhitegod (03/09/2013) [-]
Incorrect. Atheism believes in a great many things and not all atheists perscribe to the same believes. Some believe in the big bang, others in multiverse, etc etc.

Not to mention atheism means A. No belief in a god, B. No belief in an after life, C. Certain moral and secular obligations.

So ya, I will save you the trouble. Atheism is a belief system you angry atheist **** . You make the rest of us look bad.
User avatar #342 - Ruspanic (03/09/2013) [-]
Well, it isn't a belief system.
But it is a belief that there is no divine higher power or creator.
Unless you define atheism more broadly, in which case it's simply a non-belief in such a higher power, which would include agnostics and apathetic secular people.
User avatar #356 to #342 - lolfire (03/09/2013) [-]
No a belief requires you to trust that something is correct without having hard evidence.
Atheism is the lack of belief.

Agnostics are not sure whether to believe or not.
Apathetic seculars are atheists.
#400 to #356 - rodneyabc (03/10/2013) [-]
Actually it's just trusting that somethings correct.
User avatar #369 to #356 - Ruspanic (03/09/2013) [-]
So you fall into the second camp that defines atheism more broadly.

"Strong" atheism qualifies as a belief because such atheists assert there is no God without hard evidence for their claim.

Absolute agnosticism isn't really a belief if you simply refuse to pick a side, but in reality most agnostics are people who assume there is no God for lack of evidence but do not claim to have any certainty.
User avatar #370 to #369 - lolfire (03/09/2013) [-]
Then that's your difference.

Atheism is not a belief system.
Agnosticism is a disbelief system.
User avatar #379 to #370 - Ruspanic (03/09/2013) [-]
I wouldn't call either of them a "system", because they're not nearly complex or organized enough. They're just a single belief/non-belief.

But strong atheism is a belief. If you have any amount of confidence that something is true (e.g. there is no God), you have a belief by definition.

And actually I don't consider the presence or absence of evidence to be essential to the definition of "belief". It is possible to believe things based on evidence and still be wrong. It is possible to believe in true things based on hard evidence, and we call that knowledge. But ultimately "belief" is nothing more than the confidence that something is true.
#354 to #342 - anonymous (03/09/2013) [-]
yes it is a system.. cos atheism is becoming more and more like any other religion on the planet.. they go around trying to convert ppl to their belief.. even though its the very thing they use to discredit those who believe
#351 to #342 - anonymous (03/09/2013) [-]
Saying you have a belief that something does not exist is a redundant statement. If it were valid then it would still have no significance because it would be alongside an infinite number of likewise statements about every conceivable, and inconceivable thing that you don't believe exists.

You can say "I believe in X." and "I don't share your belief in X/I don't believe in X." The latter is not a statement of your belief, it is a statement of lack of belief. It sounds pernickety but it really is an important distinction to make.
#334 - evilfungas (03/09/2013) [-]
I don't understand why people adopt the name "Agnostic Atheist" since agnosticism is already implied. No one knows if a God or gods do exist, therefore, agnosticism is always implied. Whether you believe or don't believe in a God with 100% certainty does not nullify the fact that you don't know. All Christians are Agnostic Christians and all Atheists are Agnostic Atheists it is impossible to not be Agnostic. Agnostic is a pointless addition.
User avatar #349 to #334 - Ruspanic (03/09/2013) [-]
"Agnostic" does not refer to whether people really know the truth, but rather to whether they are confident that they know the truth. An agnostic atheist is someone who does not claim to know whether God exists and doesn't believe in God simply because he has no reason to. Some agnostic atheists claim such knowledge is impossible.

A gnostic or strong atheist is someone who will defend his belief that a God does not exist and assert that contrary beliefs are wrong. And of course most Christians and religious people are gnostics because they believe their religion is the one true religion.
User avatar #336 to #334 - Logicaltightrope (03/09/2013) [-]
Non-agnostics are people that think they know one way or the other for certain. Agnostics are people that understand that there's not a way to know.
#337 to #336 - evilfungas (03/09/2013) [-]
Either way, it's a pointless taxonomy.
User avatar #340 to #337 - Logicaltightrope (03/09/2013) [-]
Not really. It describes whether or not people claim to be sure of their beliefs...there's nothing wrong with that.
#345 to #340 - evilfungas (03/09/2013) [-]
Their 100% sure belief is still a belief and not knowledge, agnosticism deals with knowledge, not belief, therefore it is being used incorrectly used and is still just as pointless.
User avatar #348 to #345 - Logicaltightrope (03/09/2013) [-]
No, Agnosticism v. Gnosticism is simply whether or not one claims to be sure, not whether they actually ARE sure. If that were the case then it wouldn't exist, because it would be meaningless, like you said.
#362 to #348 - evilfungas (03/09/2013) [-]
"... agnosticism is the view that the truth values of certain claims—especially claims about the existence or non-existence of any deity, as well as other religious and metaphysical claims—are unknown and (so far as can be judged) unknowable." It deals with knowledge, not belief. Atheism, Deism, and Theism are all belief claims where as Agnostic is a knowledge claim.
User avatar #366 to #362 - Logicaltightrope (03/09/2013) [-]
"...agnosticism is the VIEW..."
It deals with whether or not you think something is true - that is a BELIEF.

There are people that think that a deity/deities exist without any doubt (gnostic theist), and some believe that they exist but they have some doubt (agnostic theist). Some don't believe in any deity and believe without a doubt that there is none (gnostic atheist), and some don't believe in any deity but don't claim to know 100% whether or not there is (agnostic atheist).

Hope that clears things up.
#371 to #366 - evilfungas (03/09/2013) [-]
I understand what you're saying and agree for the most part. But, the part the irks me is that no one actually knows, so the Gnostic claim is a pointless one, and since agnosticism is antithesis Gnosticism so too is it rendered pointless. It may very well be that it is a belief claim, but it is pointless one.
User avatar #372 to #371 - Logicaltightrope (03/09/2013) [-]
It's a belief claim that I disagree with and find silly, but that's true for a lot of things, and those things still exist.
User avatar #329 - Crusader ONLINE (03/09/2013) [-]
It is a belief though.
You BELIEVE there is no god.
As there is no way to definitively prove or disprove it's presence.
#327 - anonymous (03/09/2013) [-]
Atheism is a belief system. It is not a religion, but it does require faith. Most belief science to be true, but still do not understand what people like Carl Sagan know. They might understand in lay terms, but most take it on faith that the theories that these people come up with are sound.

Quit spreading your atheism like you hate chritians spreading their beliefs. They are both annoying.
#323 - tasomo (03/09/2013) [-]
Getting real tired of seeing Gervais' stuff around here because instead of posting his better work all people do is post his "hur dur I no believe in god! Look, teh bible is sirry!" stuff and frankly it's not even good comedy. It's tired, re-hashed, and uninspired that frankly devalues the man as a comedian.

It's like when people ignore George Carlin's entire catalog of social satire and instead focus entirely on his anti-catholocism jokes as if that's all he ever did in 40 years of comedy. George "That God-basher" Carlin. Yep, that's all he ever talked about.

If you want to preach about your non-beliefs then please, for the love of all you consider dear, find a better demagogue to admire than Ricky Gervais because damn is he ******* dull.
User avatar #330 to #323 - teranin ONLINE (03/09/2013) [-]
My favorite Carlin album is Class Clown. It was my first stand-up comedy tape. At age 5 I had definitely never heard the 7 words you can't say on television before
User avatar #318 - MysticTomatoe (03/09/2013) [-]
you know the kind of people I like? The one who keeps their beliefs or disbelief to themlselves
#398 to #318 - rodneyabc (03/10/2013) [-]
I like Ben Affleck, dude just seems really chill.
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#313 to #306 - anonymous (03/09/2013) [-]
By that logic you most likely have the belief system that thor doesn't exist, or peter pan, or the flying rainbow monster eating your socks. Not believing in god is just adding on ONE more thing that we don't believe in.
#338 to #313 - Logicaltightrope (03/09/2013) [-]
My belief system includes the fact that Thor and countless other deities don't exist.
Yes, atheism is a belief system - or rather, part of one.
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