The fact that it ended slavery is irrelevant. A god, - #89053475 added by imakejewburgers at Quality family values.

#40 - douthit

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(04/08/2013)[-]

It ended hundreds of years of slavery. Don't we consider the Civil War justified?

#47 to #40 - imakejewburgers

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(04/08/2013)[-]

The fact that it ended slavery is irrelevant. A god, that if he actually existed, could have been, "Just ******* walk out whenever you feel like it. I'll put up a barrier or some ****.", instead said, "Paint your houses with blood and I'll kill a bunch of little kids because they definitely deserve to die.

#48 to #47 - douthit

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(04/08/2013)[-]

It's completely relevant. The post seems to look only at the means and not the end, so I thought I'd point out our historical hypocrisy in judging other events by only the end and not the means. And I'm not gonna pretend to be big enough to judge God based on his terms.

#52 to #48 - imakejewburgers

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(04/08/2013)[-]

The end does not justify the means if there was another possible, less violent way to do it. The point of the post wasn't to point out what it did. So what if it freed the slaves? If god actually existed he could have at any time freed the slaves in infinite different ways. But out of all the possibilities he chose, "Let's kill some ******* kids! That's always fun." And the worst thing about it was that he LET the Jews become enslaved. He could have stopped them from being enslaved. But instead he let them be and then later killed a bunch of kids and everyone praised him like he was some kind of ******* hero.

#63 to #52 - callan

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(04/08/2013)[-]

God wanted it to be Pharaoh's decision to free the slaves, knowing that Pharaoh would never stop chasing them if he did not free them himself. Moses warned him every day and even BEGGED Pharaoh repeatedly to free them lest the curses worsen each day not just for the sake of the Jews, but for the sake of every Egyptian, including Pharaoh. Pharaoh, in his stubbornness, refused each time despite the worsening situation for Egypt. It was not until he lost his first born son that he finally got the picture and freed the people.

Also, the Jews did not deserve to be God's chosen people, that was what made it significant. God's grace and protection was what kept them safe and prosperous. Every now and then they would start growing arrogant and too sure of themselves and separate themselves from God. In doing this, they stopped God from being able to protect them. As a result, they became slaves, were humbled, turned to God, and were saved.

#68 to #63 - dkiscoo

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(04/10/2013)[-]

So have we figured out the rules and limitations of God yet? There sure seems to be a lot. Like he can send down an angel of death to kill the first born of all the people not marking the door, pillar of fire, splitting a sea, create all of creation in a weak, and plant lots of tricks like dinosaurs to make it seem like he didn't exist. He can do all this, but he cant just come down bitch slap the pharoh real quick and be like "ok jews you're good to go". Nope, he has to plead. I bet he can't even see why kids love cinnamon toast crunch

#69 to #68 - callan

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(04/10/2013)[-]

God cannot lie, that is his one limitation. If he lied, he would cease to be. So if he makes a universal rule, it limits himself, too. I'm just saying what it says in the Bible for the sake of the facts.

#70 to #69 - dkiscoo

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(04/10/2013)[-]

So what's the universal rule he made from preventing him from just bitch slapping the pharaoh real hard?

#71 to #70 - callan

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(04/10/2013)[-]

Free will. The Hebrews had effectively told God they didn't need him. God therefore could not intervene because he would be imposing His will on them. As for the bitch slap. I think they call that the locust, blood river, angel of death, wild animals, boils, etc. you get the gist. That all happened after the Hebrews asked God to start intervening again.

#72 to #71 - callan

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(04/10/2013)[-]

Btw, thumb for the cinnamon toast crunch. I loled.