Pretty much. Because i love how this is going... Most "religious" wars are actually about land, resources, and power. Religion simply colors the jerseys. Very few people are actually willing to die o fuck it
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#7 - allamericandude
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Most "religious" wars are actually about land, resources, and power. Religion simply colors the jerseys. Very few people are actually willing to die only for their religion.    
   
For example, the Romans persecuted the early Christians not because they were creating a new religion, but because they were preaching against Roman rule.   
   
Jews, Christians and Muslims used to live perfectly well together for years--even in Palestine, of all places--because they traded with each other.   
   
Trade is the world's greatest peacemaker.
Most "religious" wars are actually about land, resources, and power. Religion simply colors the jerseys. Very few people are actually willing to die only for their religion.

For example, the Romans persecuted the early Christians not because they were creating a new religion, but because they were preaching against Roman rule.

Jews, Christians and Muslims used to live perfectly well together for years--even in Palestine, of all places--because they traded with each other.

Trade is the world's greatest peacemaker.
User avatar #9 to #7 - prettyflyforaderp [OP]
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very few people.
allah ackbar
9/11
#13 to #9 - IAMDIZZYONFANTA
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You might want to note that they don't follow the Qu'ran very well. The Qu'ran, even more so than the bible, preaches tolerance in all things to near-buddhism levels. It's ridiculous. They scream about God and all the like because it's their religion, but they fight because of various sociopolitical reasons.
User avatar #10 to #9 - allamericandude
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The 9/11 attacks were a direct response to US interventionism in the Middle East. The US was (and is) a threat to the power of pro-Sharia Islamist leaders (notice the "ist").
User avatar #216 to #9 - masterboll
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oh u so silly

you cant give a badass comeback a 9 out of 11, it only goes up to 10
#42 to #7 - yomommabinshoppin
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I am willing to die for my belief....just sayin
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#335 to #211 - yomommabinshoppin
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Well jeez, I understand nobody cares but I feel like it needed to be said, I don't understand your reasoning behind the sarcasm
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#400 to #376 - yomommabinshoppin
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Are you trying to be funny now?
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User avatar #129 to #7 - robertolee
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Trade is a great peace maker but it is also unfortunately one of the leading causes for poverty.
User avatar #215 to #129 - allamericandude
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No, that's the opposite of what trade does.
User avatar #264 to #215 - robertolee
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Infact, if you want an exam of how trade can go terribly wrong just look google NAFTA.
User avatar #261 to #215 - robertolee
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Well no, trade blocs, trade tariffs and barriers. Trade isn't this magical thing with no downfalls. The EU has such high tariffs for countries outside of the trade bloc it prevents LEDCs from selling commodities at competitive prices. When trade blocs dump their product on the market it lowers prices massively meaning other countries don't make a profit. This is basic Human Geography, the fact that people are thumbing me down shows their lack of understanding on this subject, my question in my Geography exam 2 years ago was "All trade is beneficial" Discuss.
User avatar #281 to #261 - allamericandude
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This very comment proves my point correct. You're confusing "trade" with the way countries handle or regulate trade. When a nation or group of nations closes off trade to outsiders (or makes trade more difficult), those outsiders don't benefit. If those outsiders were able to trade with them, they would benefit. You said it yourself.

The only reason people trade with each other is if they believe that trade will make them wealthier. So whenever a trade occurs, the overall wealth goes up. And I don't mean "wealth" strictly in a monetary sense. For instance, when you buy groceries at a store, the store becomes wealthier monetarily, and you become wealthier in the sense that you are no longer hungry. Both parties have benefited from the trade.

That is why all trade is beneficial, because it can only happen when it's beneficial.
User avatar #288 to #281 - robertolee
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England, being part of the EU trades with the rest of Europe, we buy more than we sell, trade is only beneficial if you're selling more than you're buying. This is one of the many reasons we are having a referendum in 2016 on our membership of the EU.
User avatar #318 to #288 - allamericandude
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Now, I'd love to talk more, but it's Super Bowl Sunday here in the States (the FA Cup of American Football), and the game starts in 30 minutes. I need to be off.
User avatar #306 to #288 - allamericandude
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No, trade is always beneficial--even if you are buying more than you are selling. Selling more than what you buy only makes you monetarily wealthier.

I mean, you also have to ask what England is buying. Now, if this CIA World Factbook is correct, England mostly imports manufactured goods, machinery, fuels, and food. Those things are hugely beneficial to a nation. And the fact that it imports a lot of pre-manufactured goods is a sign of success--a sign that the people have more money than what they need to spend on consumer goods.

And don't forget that not all of a nation's wealth comes from foreign trade. England does a pretty good job of being self-sufficient from trade within its own borders.
#148 to #7 - bulbakip
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Horray free-trade! I assume you, too, are not a fan of nationalism and statism?
User avatar #177 to #148 - allamericandude
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Statism--of course not.

Nationalism/patriotism--I treat it the same way as common pride. It's okay to be a little bit proud of who you are and where you came from. But it's important to not let it get out of hand. I mean, I live in the US (in case you didn't guess) which is both the most and least patriotic country in the world. We celebrate our independence by blowing **** up and lighting things on fire, but we also can't stop criticizing ourselves. It's not the worst duality to have.
User avatar #193 to #177 - bulbakip
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Well like I was typing earlier: Nationialism teaches you to hate people you've never met and feel pride in accomplishments you had nothing to do with.

It's old baggage.
User avatar #198 to #193 - allamericandude
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Like I said, "it's important to not let it get out of hand".
#156 to #148 - munchman
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Are you retarded? It has been proven that genetics are not something static. Your upbringing and the environment you are raised in has impacts on your DNA and in your Genetic code, thus changing who you are.
You are who you are thanks to your country and your parents, and the country is what it is thanks to your parents and your ancestors, and your ancestors are who they are thanks to the country again.
If you were born in an African "pot" you can bet you would be very sad you weren't born in a first world "pot" instead.
User avatar #175 to #156 - bulbakip
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"Nationalism does nothing but teach you how to hate people you never met and take pride in accomplishments you had no part in whatsoever"- Doug Stanhope www.youtube.com/watch?v=UStr7iNm1A4

This guy is awesome. ^.^ Here's the video in case anyone was curious.
#178 to #175 - munchman
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You do realize Patriotism does not equal Nationalism don't you?
User avatar #180 to #178 - bulbakip
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To me its the same. what's the difference?
#185 to #180 - munchman
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If i were to put it in an analogy, Patriots are religious people, Nationalists are religious extremists.
User avatar #187 to #185 - bulbakip
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So sheep and the shepherd?
#189 to #187 - munchman
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No. Umh, how do i explain it. Patriots are people who love their country and thus work to improve it, and nationalists are the same thing as patriots, only they take it too far.
User avatar #207 to #189 - bulbakip
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Well I like that. Hey I'm learning something today. I've had a bad experience with my country (US). We are in wars, we have a poor economy, we have health problems, the list goes on; and I feel it is because patriots (people who want to better thier country) elect nationalists (politicians who manipulate us for their own personal gain). and the whole system is called Statism.

I don't blame people who want to better their community (how could I? So do I). It's just disheartening to see good people being mislead by manipulative crooks.
#212 to #207 - munchman
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The thing is, i live in a country which is not Nationalistic, and you have to understand that nationalism/patriotism drives people to go further. While in other countries most of the people pay their taxes and work hard, in my country (Portugal), corruption, tax evasion is rampant, which causes the country to have a huge debt problem. If the people were more patriotic, they'd pay their taxes, they'd work a bit harder for their country. As it is now, everyone just cares about themselves.
#237 to #7 - anon id: 103eb303
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the difference is that the worst thing that happens when atheists try and convert others is that people get pissed off
religious conversion and missioning has caused (and still causes) a whole lot of suffering
#240 to #7 - anon id: d46a8f8f
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we have a winner everyone
#50 to #7 - nyawgga
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I learned something useful today!
#289 to #50 - anon id: 8b8fdbf7
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Don't just use his opinion as yours, make your own
User avatar #208 to #7 - masterboll
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#394 to #7 - abcdxyz
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I love you. No homo
I love you. No homo
#395 to #7 - mattkingg **User deleted account**
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Did you know that Romans used to call Christians atheists, because they only believed in one god.
User avatar #17 to #7 - gildemoono
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Hell even the crusades werent very religious. The pope had to sign papers legally allowing knights to pillage any place they went to get anyone to enlist.
User avatar #8 to #7 - allamericandude
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Anti-flamewar disclaimer: I'm not religious, or "anti-atheist", but I like to point out bs when I see it.
#287 to #8 - anon id: a7ecd6cf
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What is the name of the guy in your profile pic. I've been trying to remember the name of that cartoon/flash game for the longest time.
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Homestar Runner
#19 to #7 - nippuhl
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"color the jerseys"
User avatar #33 - goldenglimmer
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You know what I don't get? Atheist missioning. There is so much criticism coming from the Atheist community towards religion, and there is an uprising among atheists attempting to "convert" people who don't share their philosophical mindsets.

I mean, isn't this irony at its finest? Religion is like a penis, right?

Missionaries at least have one excuse: they genuinely believe they are bringing you the word of God, and the love of a heavenly father. They are doing what they are doing out of love more often than not. It's irrelevant if their faith actually is the objective truth in this universe, this is what they believe.

What are you doing? Desperately trying to spread your poisonous nihilism in the form of offensive, condescending cheap shots? What on earth do militant Atheists get out of shoving their "religion" down other people's throats?

Religion Philosophical mindsets are like a penis...
#52 to #33 - thewotch
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Not that I'm for people bashing each others beliefs, but you really want us to have a reason? How about creationism not being taught at schools, gays being allowed to marry, no more stoning women in the middle east...? Want me to continue?

Yeah, christianity is getting a lot of more than others, but it's also true that most of us are from places where christianism is the most extended religion. If you want an atheist to point the flaws of other religions, just ask, and I'm sure there will be one willing to tell you.
#70 to #33 - anon id: 135cba54
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"Atheist missioning" seeks to undo thousands of years of lies, corruption, and atrocities committed by religious people.
Religious missionaries have a misguided form of love, in the same way that a man beats his disobedient wife out of "love."
We aren't attacking religion with cheap shots, we attack religion with facts. The "cheap shots" just help us to recognize and empower each other.
Beliefs are not reason and facts.
Philosophy is the love of wisdom, which does not include being willfully ignorant of facts and reason. Belief is acceptance without evidence. No matter how hard the religious side tries to spin atheism into a religion, it is not; it's the absence of religion.
People that stubbornly refuse to acknowledge the difference between belief and facts are just being willfully ignorant. And there are only one proper response to willful ignorance: ridicule.
#95 to #33 - anon id: 92452c7b
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Right, because most atheists are nihilists. Congratulations on being an ignorant ****.
User avatar #227 to #33 - ohgodmysides
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I guess some people are just concerned by the actual harm that some believes cause.
whatstheharm.net/

Like telling people to pray instead of getting actual treatment.
Also teenage suicide rates, rape cases, STD, and similar are higher in religious societies.
Alonside the suppression of some atheist people in the States, that get thrown out of their job or home, because the family/boss won't accept them.

I actually like people who want to convert others out of love.
But I can also see where atheist "missionars" come from, when trying to get others away from religion.

IMO, People should just stfu and believe whatever they want to.
But this is our world, and it's a good chance that the person next to you is a prick, who wants to shove his penis down your throat anyways.
That's just a literal dickmove and doesn't depend on whether you are christian, atheist or think aliens are real and on this planet. An excuse doesn't make it better either.
#236 to #33 - anon id: a667b87e
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I agree with you, as an atheist i don't promote atheism, but instead promote science, humanism, and secularism
User avatar #267 to #33 - melioracogito
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I actually used to be one of those scumbag atheists, but then I read "Kittens" and "Twilight of the Dawn" by Koontz and realized that I was being a total ******* moron.
User avatar #336 to #33 - monkeysniper
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Personally, I don't have a problem at all with religion itself, the problem is when a group tries to force it upon you or argue that they are right simply because they said so, in an ideal world people would share their ideas, think about it, and move on with their lives.
User avatar #86 to #33 - yojo
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Well the main reason I'm glad I became an atheist is because I no longer have to dedicate so much time from my life to absolutely nothing.

But I do agree with what you said about missionaries. I hate missionaries of all kinds.
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i think i actually love you
User avatar #35 to #33 - daniboyi
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Every group have its retards and smart people.
I just learned to keep my mouth shut unless I am asked directly over what I think.
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#213 to #34 - extremistavenger
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Holy ****, that was one of the most compelling arguments I've ever seen up to date!
Mother of god, that must have taken you weeks, no, MONTHS to prove such valid points, establish your thesis, and solidify your conclusion. I say, you have to publish this piece or work right away!

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User avatar #41 - lazypaul
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''This is some ********, napoleon obviously never said that. Do people actually beleive everything they read on the internet?'' -Usain Bolt
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What if this quote is legitimate and lazypaul is just Usain Bolt's funnyjunk account.
#386 to #382 - lazypaul
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Don't tell dem my secret mon.
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Don't worry, your secret is safe with me.
User avatar #46 to #41 - prettyflyforaderp [OP]
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"Trust everything you see on the internet"- George W. Bush
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#11 - zakvanloocke
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I've had a ton of imaginary girlfriends. I've even had an imaginary threesome. And I imaginary disappointed them too.
User avatar #44 to #11 - theuglypanda
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At least your imaginary girlfriends got you imaginary laid. Mine just wanted to imaginarily watch the Notebook
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User avatar #291 to #290 - prettyflyforaderp [OP]
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knock knock
#300 to #291 - pariahlol
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I figured it out, you're a religious troll. You're just sitting in the comment section of religious ********* posts, and you're just stirring the **** pot.
User avatar #305 to #300 - prettyflyforaderp [OP]
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you were supposed to say "whos there"
#311 to #305 - pariahlol
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i'm not the person who you were saying it to
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well then you ruined it
#366 to #317 - anon id: c035b2d9
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**** You
#368 to #366 - prettyflyforaderp [OP]
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#268 - gibroner
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I'm about 99.9999% sure napoleon never said that
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#27 - duudegladiator
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The best part of reading things from this channel, is a bunch of people who say they don't believe in God, talk about and read about God more than most casual Christians.    
   
You guys are wasting your time, people believe or they don't. Stop trying to do what Missionaries are doing and keep your thoughts to yourselves.
The best part of reading things from this channel, is a bunch of people who say they don't believe in God, talk about and read about God more than most casual Christians.

You guys are wasting your time, people believe or they don't. Stop trying to do what Missionaries are doing and keep your thoughts to yourselves.
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#39 to #27 - dwarfman
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You I like.
#29 - dwarfman
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I return to attempt to bring some sense.   
   
Herr Bonaparte was not an atheist, he fell into a similar category with Jefferson. Both men questioned miracles and such things as the virgin birth, but did not declare the lack of a divine being.    
   
On the matter of atheism itself, the ideology has caused humanity much heartache and has held us back in many facets (similarly to how there's the strange belief that faith has held us back). I call to attention the death tolls of Mao Zedong, Joseph Stalin, and Pol Pot. There are others but I will limit my list to these. Aside from staggering death tolls associated with their regime, they also suppressed free thought and scientific advancements that they considered threatening.   
   
The next argument will be: But Dwarfman they were evil dictators atheism had no influence on their actions! I tend to agree, men have amazing capacities for evil no matter their faith (Yes atheism is a faith and doesn't answer every question in the universe like any major religion). You can't judge those you have opposing view points with differently from how you judge your peers. Life isn't black and white, nothing is truly good or evil, all a matter of perspective. As for my defense of world religions I give you a link to a previous thread. Should you wish to debate, I have time but I will ignore the Hurr Durr you're a theist and thus an idiot posts.   
   
funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/4371005/Christian+logic/204#204
I return to attempt to bring some sense.

Herr Bonaparte was not an atheist, he fell into a similar category with Jefferson. Both men questioned miracles and such things as the virgin birth, but did not declare the lack of a divine being.

On the matter of atheism itself, the ideology has caused humanity much heartache and has held us back in many facets (similarly to how there's the strange belief that faith has held us back). I call to attention the death tolls of Mao Zedong, Joseph Stalin, and Pol Pot. There are others but I will limit my list to these. Aside from staggering death tolls associated with their regime, they also suppressed free thought and scientific advancements that they considered threatening.

The next argument will be: But Dwarfman they were evil dictators atheism had no influence on their actions! I tend to agree, men have amazing capacities for evil no matter their faith (Yes atheism is a faith and doesn't answer every question in the universe like any major religion). You can't judge those you have opposing view points with differently from how you judge your peers. Life isn't black and white, nothing is truly good or evil, all a matter of perspective. As for my defense of world religions I give you a link to a previous thread. Should you wish to debate, I have time but I will ignore the Hurr Durr you're a theist and thus an idiot posts.

funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/4371005/Christian+logic/204#204
User avatar #133 to #29 - clydeninetyseven
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No. I bring to your attention the following things: Those dictators disliked religion because it lessened the total power of their magical fairy princessistrations in the eyes of the people. For example, Stalin made himself revered to the point that he was practically a demigod. You claim that atheism has caused humanity "heartache"--specifically the deaths of innocents. If not for religion, the following things would not have taken place: the Holocaust, the greatest atrocity in the history of the world, 9/11, the Crusades, the thousands of Israeli and Palestinian deaths, the war in Afghanistan, among countless wars, genocides, and murders that pitted opposing religions against each other, too many to list. Another way that religion has caused humanity "heartache" is in the realm of the sciences. I could go on for about ten pages, but I'll keep it short: if not for religion, our society could have reached its current scientific understanding of the universe more than twenty years ago. Both atheism and religion have caused problems, but religion has caused many more.
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See top comment. (#7)
#151 to #133 - dwarfman
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I suggest you read the linked thread before you mouth off again, I went into the advancement of humanity thing. You immediately deflect the actions of the dictators listed above as political maneuvers, yet do not take into account the political implications of the "religious" atrocities you list.

9/11: Osama was an enemy of the soviets long before us, hence why we armed the nutcase. Without them he turned to the Americas as we were just another evil imperialist empire to him. Being a crafty son of a bitch he used religion to lure the simpler members of society to his cause.

Crusades: European economies had been stagnant for centuries. Aside from the riches plundered from the Muslim countries, Knightly orders rose to power bringing new jobs/wealth to the entirety of Europe. War is profitable, it's why the Romans loved it so much. Veil your profit motive in God's grace and you sudden have an army.

Adolf: If you study his checked past you will see he fell into the National Socialist movement by chance. That said he adopted this new found philosophy and found a scapegoat to begin his reign of terror.

Countless other wars? I'd love to hear them, here's my list:
Mongol Hordes: Nonreligiously motivated conquerors, reduced the world's population immensely.
Spanish colonization: God? Eff that they have gold.
Samurai Invasion of Korea: Japan unified and needed to expand, repeated in 1900s
Martha come to power on India: Throw out foreign Mughal rulers
WWI: A family feud between ancient noble families
Brushfire wars of the 1900s: USA vs. USSR.

So you choose to disassociate the crimes of atheists from their political motivations, yet do not do the same for "religious" wars? Under those terms you are no better than those crazies that suggest rape victims shouldn't be allowed to abort because it's "God's will". Have a nice day my bigot friend.
User avatar #371 to #151 - radiserne
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>WWI: a family feud
>family feud
No. Just no.
User avatar #374 to #371 - dwarfman
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How else would you describe it? They made a complex web of alliance and the leaders of most of these nations were related. It basically was a family feud.
User avatar #226 to #151 - clydeninetyseven
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I can't even argue with you, you're that stupid. I'm surprised someone with such a small amount of intelligence actually knows how to operate a computer.
#297 to #226 - dwarfman
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You fall into the: Hurr Durr you're a theist category. I presented an argument and provided evidence to back up my points. You resorted to name calling. Who is the lesser being here hmmm? Sorry I don't take your cookie-cutter atheist remarks on face value.
User avatar #312 to #29 - pwoneill
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Faith.....a faith...... Some thing that requires a personal belief in something regardless of the lack of empirical evidence

Atheism is the only thing that requires no belief, personal or otherwise... so their would be no need for faith to choose not to belive something.

An organization, collective mindset, philosophical school of thought, way of thinking, etc.

A faith is the one thing it cannot be
#324 to #312 - dwarfman
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You have faith in the value of your money. You have faith in your government. Science? Faith in a sense. We have a set of rules for it, measurable variances etc etc. But often in the course of our history we learn that what we believed is wrong, start over. Difference with science is we can press boundaries, we KNEW that splitting the atom was impossible, we circumvented it. Is time even real or is it an invention of man? No one can truly answer life's questions. Are theists crazed lunatics at times? Yes, but the faith vs. science debate is an American invention. As for people like you well: When performing missionary work take care not to be eaten by cannibals.
You have faith in the value of your money. You have faith in your government. Science? Faith in a sense. We have a set of rules for it, measurable variances etc etc. But often in the course of our history we learn that what we believed is wrong, start over. Difference with science is we can press boundaries, we KNEW that splitting the atom was impossible, we circumvented it. Is time even real or is it an invention of man? No one can truly answer life's questions. Are theists crazed lunatics at times? Yes, but the faith vs. science debate is an American invention. As for people like you well: When performing missionary work take care not to be eaten by cannibals.
User avatar #342 to #324 - pwoneill
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I just want to point out that red thumbing someone just because they make a point different than your own makes you a pretentious self assured jackass. I am merely participating in discourse, I did not thumb you down, i read your post and i chose to make a point about an element of it, thumbs have no place in this discussion.

But I see what you are saying but their are two very distinct meanings to the words faith that don not cross over. To have faith in something implies a lack of empirical evidence.

It is virtually impossible to state that money has no value in the world of trade. It is a fact that people exchange it for goods and services. Therefore I do not have faith in money, there is evidence outside myself that supports it.

Science is a field where the only thing that truly matters is testing hypothesis, and collecting data to further our understanding. It is not faith, it is a process, or method of collecting information to be further studied

Faith is a word that overuse in the english language detracting from its true meaning. it is all about possessing a strong personal conviction or belief in something despite information and data saying otherwise.

I believe that the Neo Atheist movement is very weak with many of its views and people misunderstand different things about it. Science is not a philosophy, a belief or a religion, It is the pursuit of understanding through factual evidence. It neither confirms nor denies the existence of any divine forces and does not rely on them because they cannot be studied in true scientific terms.

The war on science as a whole in this world comes from a true misunderstanding of what it is. It is not like religion or belief, though many treat it like it is. It is the collection of information through time, based on the scientific method. IT is allowed to be wrong and change as time goes on simply because it is a pursuit of understanding the world and sometimes technology proves elements wrong.
User avatar #344 to #342 - dwarfman
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T'ain't me dude.
User avatar #373 to #344 - pwoneill
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What?
User avatar #32 to #29 - randomserb
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"Faith vs. Science is a purely American invention perpetrated by a few nut bags from mega churches."
Fantastic.
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