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> hey anon, wanna give your opinion?
User avatar #1 - arthurdetoo
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(06/02/2013) [-]
Amen to that
User avatar #2 to #1 - schnizel
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#5 - lhsleepz
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(06/02/2013) [-]
Disclaimer: i am athiest.

I like the general idea of this and agree with most points, but when he says children could be brought up more open minded, he's kinda contradicting himself because he just dismissed a whole belief system in a very closed minded way.
User avatar #6 to #5 - MosKunas [OP]
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His whole point is that children don't have the ability to reason well enough yet to see the obvious problems with the religions they are being brought up in. They just follow the leader, which isn't their fault, but a problem nonetheless. I don't see how he is being close minded. Richard Dawkins is a good example of someone who is far from it. He was brought up Christian and then eventually gave it up, like most people should start doing honestly. (In all religions.)

To say he is being close minded is a little far off I think, since he was brought up in a religious family just like the children in this video. (Not as extreme.) Maybe if the person commentating the video was raised in a secular family and had done no real research on religion and it's flaws, then I think you would have a good point. But since that's not the case.... I think you may be wrong.
#3 - KungFuZerO
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(06/02/2013) [-]
Those kids from the documentary Jesus Camp made me want to vomit
I dont care if adults are bat **** crazy
it just sucks when they impose their religion on their children
User avatar #4 - thebritishguy
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I really like the one about being offended as well
#7 - anon id: e573785c
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(06/07/2013) [-]
Sounds more like the problem of ignorance, rather than religion.

"Oh, gee, look at me, I believe in some form of organized religion. Guess that automatically means I no longer have any interest in being a bioengineer, physicist, or anything else that involves discovering the world around me and how it works." - Said no one ever
User avatar #8 to #7 - MosKunas [OP]
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(06/07/2013) [-]
Do you not understand the point of the video? Those people aren't doing what they are doing because they are ignorant, they are doing it because of their religious beliefs.

Religion without scrutiny gives shade for these radical christian groups to brainwash children, and for any other absurd religious belief system to commit atrocities.

Can you please tell me what would incline a true religious person to become a scientist? And by "true religious person" I'm not talking about the average teenager who gets hammered on a Friday night and ***** anything he/she sees, and then goes to Church on Sunday with his Grandmom against his will, and still calls himself Christian. (Because he doesn't count.)

I am talking about someone who is truly religious and follows all the doctrines of Christianity to the nine. Why would they want to further the reaches of any field of science? When science has shown zero evidence for any sort of deity for the thousands of Gods that we have created in our heads here on earth. Why would they do that?

The answer is they won't do that. There is a reason why almost 80% of certified scientists are atheistic, and the last 20% are a mix of religious and agnostic persons. No truly religious person knowingly wants to further the field of an area of knowledge that has never shown any evidence for their deity - and has a higher chance of disproving the god they were raised to believe in - rather than proving there is an all knowing sky fairy that really cares about your uncles test results or any natural disaster.

If you can spare 11 minutes of your time here's a video that I hope you'll watch that will hopefully show you why we can't just let Religion be and do it's thing in the modern world. Even though I doubt you'll watch it and try to enlighten yourself with the whole religion issue we are facing today. But hey, if you like the video maybe look up some more.


And just because i'm bored, i'll leave two quotes that I ******* love.

“The president of the United States has claimed, on more than one occasion, to be in dialogue with God. If he said that he was talking to God through his hairdryer, this would precipitate a national emergency. I fail to see how the addition of a hairdryer makes the claim more ridiculous or offensive.”
― Sam Harris, Letter to a Christian Nation

"We will see that the greatest problem confronting civilization is not merely religious extremism: rather, it is the larger set of cultural and intellectual accommodations we have made to faith itself.”
― Sam Harris, The End of Faith: Religion, Terror, and the Future of Reason

I hope I haven't bored you to death with this comment that was basically a seminar on anti-theism, but I hope you learned something bud.

#9 to #8 - anon id: e573785c
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(06/08/2013) [-]
"Those people aren't doing what they are doing out of ignorance, they are doing it because of their religious beliefs."
These aren't acts of ignorance then? I know you don't mean that, but it really sounds like you're just out to disagree with me.

"Can you please tell me what would incline a true religious person to become a scientist?" The same thing a non-religious person would; the pursuit of discovery and information around the observable universe. What one would fare of the unknown is determined by religious alignment, refusing to acknowledge the known is ignorance. And of course there's no proof of God; they're beliefs.
Yes I understand Dawkins' point. Thinking a deity controls everything beyond our understanding can interfere with the will to uncover it. I want to think Dawkins wants to openly support the pursuit of science as a constructive counter to this issue, because shaming religion has been will make everyone go nowhere fast. There is nothing to debate about religion.
User avatar #10 to #9 - MosKunas [OP]
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(06/10/2013) [-]
I honestly can barely even muster up the energy to waste time answering you.

"There is nothing to debate about religion."

There is actually plenty to debate about religion. And I was hoping that you had a decent understand of how truly screwed up the ideology of religion was, but seeing that you think there is nothing to debate about, I'm realizing I was wrong thinking that about you. I won't argue about science conflicting with religion, because that's obviously a lost cause.

Let me give you a number here:

46% of Americans take the bible literally. Does that not scare you? About half of Americans think the bible is the literal word of the creator of the universe and was all put into a book before there was even a hint of modern science on the planet. So the earth was created around 10,000 years ago, and Adam and Eve were actual existing people. Along with every other story in the bible, 46% of Americans perceive the bible as a history book. I could go on and on about this, but how can you truthfully say to yourself that there is "nothing to debate about."?

That percentage worries me, and it should do the same to you. The stories in the bible would be perceived as crazy talk under the context of anything except religion. But just because it's religion, it receives a buffer. Just like you saying there is nothing to debate about. It's about time we stop saying that religion is above scrutiny, because it is not. Nothing is above scrutiny.