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In the Bible it never says anything about telling us to hate or judge gays or people who worship other gods. It's God's place to judge them and hate their sin.
"And that ye study to be quiet and to do your own business."
Basically, shut up and mind your own business.
"Remove the plank from thine own eye first."
Stop looking at the bad in other people, look at the bad in yourself. Don't tell someone there's a speck in their eye when you have a plank.
So yeah. I'm a Christian, and unlike the stupid people who go around with "God Hates Fags" signs and being all judgemental and stuff, I actually have read the Bible several times and know it well [Though you can never know it well enough.]
Maybe that should clear a few things up. I don't know. But I was surprised that this pic was in the atheist channel. I don't approve of the swearing but that's pretty much what Jesus would've said.
"And that ye study to be quiet and to do your own business."
Basically, shut up and mind your own business.
"Remove the plank from thine own eye first."
Stop looking at the bad in other people, look at the bad in yourself. Don't tell someone there's a speck in their eye when you have a plank.
So yeah. I'm a Christian, and unlike the stupid people who go around with "God Hates Fags" signs and being all judgemental and stuff, I actually have read the Bible several times and know it well [Though you can never know it well enough.]
Maybe that should clear a few things up. I don't know. But I was surprised that this pic was in the atheist channel. I don't approve of the swearing but that's pretty much what Jesus would've said.
It says that unruly children should be stoned to death, why aren't you enforcing that tidbit of revelation? Anyways the parts in the bible on "love" center mainly around within your tribe, enforced by the many times god orders the death of believers in different gods. (ex. Midianites)
The stoning thing was about the Israelites. I do enforce the part where it says you should beat disobedience out of your children with a stick. I was punished with a wooden spoon when I was younger and I turned out alright.
Inb4 "Child abuse" flame, it's not abuse if it's for the child's benefit.
Inb4 "Child abuse" flame, it's not abuse if it's for the child's benefit.
No, it was expressed to the isrealites, but otherwise it is an order of god. Directed at all, spoken to few essentially. So why aren't you stoning disobedient children? Why aren't you killing soapbox prophets? Taking slaves, etc etc etc. I could go on.
Hey it's not like Jesus never got angry, he did drive out a ton of corrupt priests and money changers from his Father's temple. If anything this just goes to show God gets more pissed off with hypocrites than anything.
Anyway, on to your main point, while I agree I sometimes even wonder if God ever said that to those who actually put pen to paper to right the books of the Bible. The Bible has been in the hands of man for so long, and we all know man is far from perfect and sometimes even corrupt and evil. Who's to say some pope who didn't like gays decided to discreetly add a verse or two here and there that speaks against them? I don't know man, sometimes I have a hard time thinking that something that does no harm to anyone is a sin. I've always thought of hurting others or yourself as a sin, whether with deeds, words, or thoughts. Anyway, just thought I'd add my two cents to yours.
Anyway, on to your main point, while I agree I sometimes even wonder if God ever said that to those who actually put pen to paper to right the books of the Bible. The Bible has been in the hands of man for so long, and we all know man is far from perfect and sometimes even corrupt and evil. Who's to say some pope who didn't like gays decided to discreetly add a verse or two here and there that speaks against them? I don't know man, sometimes I have a hard time thinking that something that does no harm to anyone is a sin. I've always thought of hurting others or yourself as a sin, whether with deeds, words, or thoughts. Anyway, just thought I'd add my two cents to yours.
I imagine most of the time God didn't say, for example, "Yo John. Go write me some crazy stuff and call it Revelation." Haha. Little joke.
I gather half the time it's the author's words, but inspired wholly by God. I believe that God wouldn't let anything into the Bible he didn't want in there. At the end of Revelation, it says that if anyone adds or takes away from the Bible, his name shall be removed from the Book of Life. [Basically sent to hell. Eep!]
So God wouldn't have allowed any extra verses in that shouldn't be there. The Catholic Bible has several extra books, and Mormons have their own, and there are even some Protestants who believe the book of Enoch should be in. But the way it is is perfect and how God intended, and that's why it has stuck.
I understand why you'd think it could be changed. It has been in the hands of man since it was written. Heck, it was written by man. But it was all inspired by God, and God's plan wouldn't have the Bible changed, otherwise the message would be wrong.
I gather half the time it's the author's words, but inspired wholly by God. I believe that God wouldn't let anything into the Bible he didn't want in there. At the end of Revelation, it says that if anyone adds or takes away from the Bible, his name shall be removed from the Book of Life. [Basically sent to hell. Eep!]
So God wouldn't have allowed any extra verses in that shouldn't be there. The Catholic Bible has several extra books, and Mormons have their own, and there are even some Protestants who believe the book of Enoch should be in. But the way it is is perfect and how God intended, and that's why it has stuck.
I understand why you'd think it could be changed. It has been in the hands of man since it was written. Heck, it was written by man. But it was all inspired by God, and God's plan wouldn't have the Bible changed, otherwise the message would be wrong.
I wish I could share your faith that the Bible is still the unadulterated word of God, but I've seen a lot of things happen in the world that God could have stopped and didn't, who's to say He didn't stop someone from adding something from the Bible or even simple mistakes through translation and interpretation? I'm not saying I disagree, I just take what I read from the Bible with a grain of salt.
Sure, I understand that. The whole subject of predestination is really confusing xD [You know, everything was planned and everything happens for a reason]
There are definitely things God could've stopped from happening, but He has His reasons why He didn't, and they're much better than any reasons I could have, even though sometimes we never know the reasons. Take 9/11 for example. Very sensitive topic for Americans so Imma be careful here. I am in no way saying 9/11 was justified, but maybe God had some good plans from it. Maybe a bunch of people got converted and saved through it. I don't know.
Another yummy Bible verse [Apologies for not giving the references, I was never good with numbers! But feel free to search the phrases on Biblegateway.com]
"All things work together for good for those that love God."
So basically no matter what happens, some good will come out of it for Christians. If anyone feels left out there and that it's not fair only Christians get the good stuff, well... you know what you need to do there :P
There are definitely things God could've stopped from happening, but He has His reasons why He didn't, and they're much better than any reasons I could have, even though sometimes we never know the reasons. Take 9/11 for example. Very sensitive topic for Americans so Imma be careful here. I am in no way saying 9/11 was justified, but maybe God had some good plans from it. Maybe a bunch of people got converted and saved through it. I don't know.
Another yummy Bible verse [Apologies for not giving the references, I was never good with numbers! But feel free to search the phrases on Biblegateway.com]
"All things work together for good for those that love God."
So basically no matter what happens, some good will come out of it for Christians. If anyone feels left out there and that it's not fair only Christians get the good stuff, well... you know what you need to do there :P
I've always thought of it in a different light to be honest. I know God is omnipotent and omnipresent, but, with how much bad our world has suffered at our own hands I find it hard to believe he actually planned for it. I feel like it's more that He simply knew it would all happen. I don't know, God is far beyond my ability to comprehend. Anyway, I have to get to work, it's been an interesting conversation!