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> hey anon, wanna give your opinion?
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#2 - usarmyexplain
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They missed my email, and I'm pretty pro IDF right now. Israel got attacked, we should be cheering them on when they do and stomp Gaza into dust.
#49 to #2 - yyssjyrsyjsjy
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"Stomp Gaza into dust"
Gaza isn't the target, Hamas is, people wouldn't hate Israel so much if they didn't shell Civilians.
www.arabnews.com/news/featured/609876
User avatar #59 to #49 - usarmyexplain
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How do you hate not so much? Hate is pretty powerful emotion, having more or less hate for something?
#85 to #59 - anon id: 1accf024
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you are legitimately mentally ill
User avatar #86 to #85 - usarmyexplain
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Hate is an intense passionate dislike. Is it possible to only have a little intense passionate dislike? I don't think so anon.

If you think it's possible to only hate a little bit, you've never hated anyone before.

Yes, I have been diagnosed with several mental disorders.
User avatar #54 to #2 - Tazdingo
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>pic

Meanwhile Israel has nuclear armaments capable of hitting majority of the Earth.
User avatar #57 to #54 - usarmyexplain
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And they aren't firing those at anyone. They are only firing anything at countries that attacked them first.
User avatar #72 to #57 - anonymoose
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They are firing at the civilians of countries that attack them for stealing their land.
User avatar #92 to #72 - usarmyexplain
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They are firing at thecivilians militants of a countriesy that attacks them for stealing their land existing.
User avatar #103 to #92 - anonymoose
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They're attacking people in a county that was made against their will in their own land and forced them out of their own homes. Palestine was 100% okay with having Jews having a controlled migration into their land, but the zionists were not okay with this and wanted partition (and admitted with the intent to build up a force and take the rest of the land).

They have no right to that land other than "but people were mean to jews in the past". That's no excuse to rob land and kill children.
User avatar #104 to #103 - usarmyexplain
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They partitioned it because they were being attacked and the Palestinians were trying to slaughter them. There wasn't even a Palestinian state at the time.
User avatar #106 to #104 - anonymoose
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The Palestinians were for controlled migration of jews into their land. They got forced occupation. I live in Northern Ireland and have seen first hand what forced occupation can do to a country. I see the scars of it most days of my life. I still have to change my name in certain areas because it's a known "irish" name.

Forced occupation will always lead to violence.
User avatar #108 to #106 - usarmyexplain
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The violence started before they were even a country. Northern Ireland is different, I can respect the IRA, because they fought an aggressive and determined campaign to free their people. I cannot respect Hamas or or the PLO because they fight for an unattainable objective and use civilians as shields.
User avatar #110 to #108 - anonymoose
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IDF use humans as shield. You have no problem with them. I showed you pictures, as much pictures as you'd find of Hamas using human shields. Tying children to their armoured vehicles, like that would even make a sliver of difference when it comes to defending the vehicle. Scum.
User avatar #112 to #110 - usarmyexplain
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I saw two pictures of somebody being detained and one of somebody sitting on the windshield of a vehicle unrestrained.

The ones with the man tied and blindfolded, the IDF soldier is standing over him in a protective posture, covering him between the wall and his own body. The IDF soldier appears to be maintaining an aggressive stance toward any possible threats in the area. You can even see in the second picture that he is moving his detainee down towards the ground, a safer position than sitting upright, as he moves himself to the side and partially in front of the detained man.

The kid sitting on the vehicle does not appear to be bound or restrained, and would not be an effective human shield since he is blocking the drivers's view. The vehicle does not appear to be moving, as you can see the open door of another vehicle and a dismounted IDF soldier in the foreground.

I fail to see anything provocative in those images.
#114 to #112 - usarmyexplain
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That photo is so low res, where are you getting the ties from? The white thing around his left arm is his white undershirt sleeve being longer than his red shirt.

A lot of militaires make it SOP to blindfold prisoners in an asymetric envryonment. An un-blindfolded prisoner would be able to call out locations, numbers, status of the people arresting him like who is wounded , if they are looking for everyone else, when they separate or move, ect. Basically a prisoner, while at your mercy, can really **** you up if you do not handle him properly. It seems cruel, but it's the best option in most cases, additionally, when you detain somebody in a fluid situation like that, you are responsible for their safety. To me, somebody who had been in that situation before, the IDF soldier.

I've never even seen that picture before, I was referring to this one, you can see the kids on the building. In later photographs, child side bodies show up wearing the same cloths as those two kids.

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User avatar #115 to #114 - usarmyexplain
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anonymoose too tired to move comment, look up there.
#113 to #112 - anonymoose
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The first child IS tied to the vehicle, you can see ties around his arms.

If the second person was being protected by the IDF, why isn't he behind them, why is he blindfolded?

<- Also, the main picture of Hamas using a human shield, they're clearly not in open combat and it DOES actually look like the person is simply being forced away from somewhere.
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#42 to #2 - comradewinter
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>Interceptor missiles
>Lying about storage to scare Israel from open conflict
>Outnumbered
>Outgunned

Seriously. You can count on your fingers how many Israelis have died so far. I've been to Israel, nobody gave a ****. They told me to stay clear of some areas like government buildings and such. Very little threat to residential areas and public institutions for civilians like schools and hospital.
User avatar #43 to #42 - usarmyexplain
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Can you give me a solid figure on how many people have to die before it becomes a big deal?
#45 to #43 - comradewinter
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Figures wouldn't be accurate. But really, soldiers get killed and Israel retaliate by bombing a UN-big brother administrated girls school. Just how many Hamas members do they expect to be chilling with peace negotatiors?
User avatar #89 to #45 - shadowlordxx
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I'm sorry, but do you mean the school that the UN Attorney General admitted had Hamas missiles in it? the one that Israel warned around 7 times that they were going to bomb it, so the people should GTFO?
User avatar #95 to #89 - usarmyexplain
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It's like people want to hate the Jews for existing. I think the IDF is showing remarkable restraint after decades of continued provocation at attacks. If Mexico or Canada acted towards the US like Palestine acts towards Israel neither of those countries would exist for very long.
#96 to #89 - comradewinter
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Lol, no.

The UN is not on anyone's side. If they had Hamas missiles there, it wouldn't be under Hamas's control. They never actually had missiles there, either. Nor did Israel warn about the attack.

www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/07/gaza-un-school-hit-201473041918975321.html

They responded to mortar fire "near the school", which was determined to be pretty far away after looking at the evidence.

Do you honestly think the UN would house munitions for a terrorist group?
#102 to #101 - comradewinter
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The first link says the rockets were confiscated, and taken care of. Other sources claim they were never active in the first place. Surely Israel should've known better than attacking a school long after it was clear the missiles didn't pose a threat.

User avatar #48 to #45 - usarmyexplain
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That's where I would be, but I think they were going after a weapons cache.
#67 to #48 - comradewinter
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Well, they missed by a couple of miles, didn't they. Nobody even knows what the **** they were aiming at, they just said that afterwards and couldn't confirm where the cache was in the first place.
#94 to #67 - usarmyexplain
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I think the giant ******* fireball from the secondary explosions was strong evidence of a cache.

Pic related, it's what girls schools are like in that part of the world.
#97 to #94 - comradewinter
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Posting a picture of Israeli girls writing snarky comments on missiles doesn't make for a good argument. You did know that these girls were Israeli, right?
User avatar #98 to #97 - usarmyexplain
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I sure did buddy.
#52 to #48 - anon id: a3a5f637
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A weapons cache (UN school) that had 3000 refugees inside that had nowhere else to go and had no say over Hamas keeping the rockets there.*

Fixed that for you.
#50 to #2 - mrmuffins
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User avatar #58 to #50 - usarmyexplain
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Shhhh, dont spoil my fun
#51 to #2 - anon id: a3a5f637
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Making no distinction between civilians in Gaza and Hamas who are actually responsible.

JIDF detected.
User avatar #63 to #51 - aSARendarsFJWINWIN
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do you really think the Palestinians were making that distinction?
User avatar #73 to #2 - samthediv
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> Israel got attacked
Boo ******* hoo? The country shouldn't even ******* exist.
User avatar #90 to #73 - usarmyexplain
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Really, no country should need to exist, but countries do, and a burden of their governments is a defense of their citizenry.
User avatar #91 to #90 - samthediv
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Of course countries need to exist. Countries are there to separate cultures that don't mix and allow people to have governments that represent their views.

Are you really that ******* dense?
User avatar #93 to #91 - usarmyexplain
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Why do we need to prevent cultures from mixing?
Why do I need a government to represent my views? Am I incapable for doing so without one?
User avatar #99 to #93 - samthediv
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Because different cultures have different viewpoints which cause contension and can lead to war
User avatar #100 to #99 - usarmyexplain
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If we didn't have national governments there would be a lot fewer wars.
#3 to #2 - teranin [OP]
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>2014
>supporting traitors
>wanting to die for israel like good US Army

No dude. Just no.
#40 to #3 - chrisel
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&gt;''Oops, we stole your state secrets.''   
&gt;''Oops, we did it again.''   
&gt;''And again.''
>''Oops, we stole your state secrets.''
>''Oops, we did it again.''
>''And again.''
User avatar #64 to #3 - antinonymous
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>"Oops we just broke an internationally brokered 72 hour ceasefire that we agreed to a mere 4 hours after it began"
User avatar #4 to #3 - usarmyexplain
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Republic. The United States is a Republic.

I want to support them specifically because every terrorists demands we stop. If it weren't for that, I wouldn't really care that much.
User avatar #5 to #4 - teranin [OP]
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It's a democratic republic. The democracy is broken, now it is a financial oligarch republic.

The terrorists are not the danger. The Sampson option wielding ******* that control all of the money, they are the danger.
User avatar #7 to #5 - usarmyexplain
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You cant even use or combine words together to make sentences that are ineligible, you didn't even spell then names of your conspiracy theories correctly. I don't want to **** on you over this point, because it's a cunt move, but you are seriously delusional if you think the Samson option is a bad thing.

You make conspiracy theorists look bad.
User avatar #8 to #7 - teranin [OP]
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So Israel, upon floundering, unleashing it's nuclear arsenal on all countries including it's allies to slaughter the goyim, that's a good thing?

Also, the term is "illegible". Funny how you mock my sentence structure but lack the vocabulary to do so. This is not an expression of "conspiracy theories". Israel really has betrayed the USA many times. They really were unilaterally placed in that location post-ww2 by the allies. They really do make up a vast amount of bank owners world-wide. I'm not saying they're ******* reptile lizards, I'm saying that country was appropriated by evil, and is run by evil.
User avatar #9 to #8 - usarmyexplain
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Are they evil because they are bankers, are the evil because the British Empire gave them a place to live, or are they evil because they defend themselves?
#10 to #9 - teranin [OP]
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They are evil because they (and by they I mean the Israeli government and those zionists in power in various areas) manipulate circumstance to continue a never ending support like from a large number of countries to their own.  They are evil because they manipulate media expression to suit their interests.  They are evil because their origin was bought with the deaths of millions, for which their own losses have been grossly exaggerated (and any investigation prevented).     
   
Obviously this has nothing to do with casual joe happens-to-be-jewish on the street.  This has to do with their leadership and the evils they have engaged in.  Or, hell, you could just call them evil for gradually conquering the Gaza area year by year on the blood of the people who originally lived there.  Evil in much the way what we did to the native americans was evil.  Not only are we allowing that **** to happen again, we're endorsing it.  There is a solution, but it is one where America is going to have to step all over the sovreignity we disingenuously endorsed in the past, publicly, and it will cost many lives.
They are evil because they (and by they I mean the Israeli government and those zionists in power in various areas) manipulate circumstance to continue a never ending support like from a large number of countries to their own. They are evil because they manipulate media expression to suit their interests. They are evil because their origin was bought with the deaths of millions, for which their own losses have been grossly exaggerated (and any investigation prevented).

Obviously this has nothing to do with casual joe happens-to-be-jewish on the street. This has to do with their leadership and the evils they have engaged in. Or, hell, you could just call them evil for gradually conquering the Gaza area year by year on the blood of the people who originally lived there. Evil in much the way what we did to the native americans was evil. Not only are we allowing that **** to happen again, we're endorsing it. There is a solution, but it is one where America is going to have to step all over the sovreignity we disingenuously endorsed in the past, publicly, and it will cost many lives.
User avatar #11 to #10 - usarmyexplain
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So, they are evil because the Nazis tried to wipe them out? They are evil because they refuse to be slaughtered by their neighbors?

A sovereign nation defending itself against attackers is evil? What exactly is it that you think the US should do? Obliterate Israel off the face of the earth?

User avatar #13 to #11 - teranin [OP]
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Why do you keep strawmanning what I'm saying?

No, they are evil ONLY FOR THE SPECIFIC REASONS I SAID. Not because the Nazis supposedly tried to wipe them out, but because they declared war on the Nazis prior to WW2 due to the nationalization of german banks, and made a deal with churchill to gather assistance from the united states in the war in exchange for israel. ****, kid.

Their sovreignity is based on backroom deals, lies, and countries sticking their nose where they don't belong like they own the whole earth. The solution is OBVIOUSLY not to slaughter them (although I'm sure lots of people would just like to see the whole area glassed.) The Solution is for the United States to stomp over the sovreignity, and end this conflict by unilaterally determining borders, and saying it's over. If either country fails to abide by our mandate, we destroy them utterly. If you want stability, it requires absolute military control, in this context, especially when dealing with fanatics like Hamas. Anything less, and we will continue to see children half-exploded on the streets while the IDF arrogantly struts their high powered weaponry around and does just little enough to retain some measure of international support while they slaughter people. There is a reason civilians jump to the defense of Hamas military bases, it's not because they are forced to, it's because they believe Israel is the evil invader, they are willing to die to defend their homes. Try to imagine it was America for a second.
User avatar #14 to #13 - usarmyexplain
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The people pf Palestine believe what the do because that is all they are taught. I don't understand how you can advocate complete destruction of a country and complain because children are bing killed at the same time.
User avatar #19 to #14 - teranin [OP]
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Also, let me make it clear that I DON'T LIKE THAT. I don't want the USA to be put into that kind of position, it just seems like the only solution given the circumstances. By all means, we can just ignore it, but continuing to support either side is wrong when we have the power to end this.
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Not saying that they'll ever legitimately and honestly make it happen but any border has to be decided by the nations on either side of it. If US forces step in to determine the border they will have to remain there to ensure the integrity of the border, which won't happen indefinitely. Once they have left, disputes will rise up through unofficial or unsanctioned actions backed by either country which would then escalate into official and sanctioned actions from each nation. Then the nation with the more powerful combination of military force will redetermine the border. Two groups who want the same thing (land being the case in this instance) will inevitably struggle for it until it is achieved or its perceived cost makes it undesirable.
User avatar #33 to #28 - teranin [OP]
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I agree, it's a solution of last resort, and I'd much rather the US abandon all support and interference in the region. So long as we keep financially/militarily supporting israel, however, we're just endorsing further slaughter.
User avatar #16 to #14 - teranin [OP]
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The only way to curb evil, and fanatics, at the same time, is with overwhelming power and absoluteism. I'm not saying glass the area.
User avatar #18 to #16 - usarmyexplain
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That's what Israel is doing right now, but when they do it, they are evil.
User avatar #21 to #18 - teranin [OP]
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They don't want peace, they never have. They want all of the land, and want the palestinians gone. A third party ending this is what is required.
User avatar #41 to #21 - commontroll
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Israel has given up so much land to try and obtain peace and oil. They're willing to have peace, they just want a home that won't be destroyed because they simply exist. Meanwhile the Palestinians refuse to recognize Israel and refuse to negotiate for peace. The entire Muslim world has taken the "No Recognition, No Negotiations, No Peace" ideology toward Israel. The only reason they continue to gain more territory is because they win wars and they need to expand because their whole nation and the vast majority of the population is within range of rockets from the borders of Israel.
User avatar #20 to #18 - teranin [OP]
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Israel is not doing that, because they are what needs to be curbed. What they are doing is slaughtering children because it pleases them to do so, over a few teenagers that got popped. It's like if a couple kids got iced by some native americans, and were then slaughtered down to the last man in revenge. We've seen how this **** plays out before, usarmyexplain.
User avatar #24 to #20 - usarmyexplain
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The Palestinians fired first, the Palestinians are using human shields, the Palestinians are the ones calling for a genocide against the Jews. Israel is responding with overwhelming force and you are complaining that some of that force kills children. Do you think that civilian deaths could be avoided in this type of conflict?
User avatar #25 to #24 - teranin [OP]
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Technically, the Israelies fired first. Technically, the palestinians fired into their own lands. Technically, no one fired anything as it was a kidnapping of israelies who were not in israel that sparked israeli attacks.

Also, let's not forget the blatant ghettoing and concentration being engaged in by the israelies. Make whatever argument on the holocaust you want, it's clear they learned some **** from Hitler.
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It seems this person (teranin) denies Israel the right to exist. They also are obviously an anti-semite (see channel). So there is no reasoning with them.
User avatar #29 to #27 - teranin [OP]
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I did not say I deny israel the right to exist, nor am I actually an anti-semite, but rather anti-zionist. My opinions differ from usarmyexplain. Thanks for trying to muddy the waters though.
#31 to #29 - anon id: f79812c8
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"Technically, the Israelies fired first. Technically, the palestinians fired into their own lands."

If this not means that Israel belong to Palestine then what?
User avatar #32 to #31 - teranin [OP]
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It means the lands where the three children were when they were killed were palestinian, not israeli, so they didn't fire into israel. They were outside Israel's current sphere of control.

Guess I wasn't clear on that.
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Also, turned out. Hamas had nothign to do with the 3 kids.
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oh ok, then i misunderstand. But as sad as it sounds, Gaza-strip was a mistake, it is to isolated from other arab countries, it was big planning mistake and there will never be a peaceful solution. It should be part of Israel and maybe Israel should compensate with other part of their land or with money. Palestines never will be happy there.
#74 to #24 - anonymoose
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“There is no evidence that Hamas and other militants force civilians to stay in areas that are under attack.” - New York Times (you'd think they'd want their body armour to stay, wouldn't you.)

"I saw no evidence during my week in Gaza of Israel’s accusation that Hamas uses Palestinians as human shields.” - Jeremy Bowen, BBC’s Middle East editor.

Type in "Hamas human shield" into google images. You'll find 2 images of Hamas actually using human shields and 2 of Israel using human shields. You will also find countless cartoons of the idea "Israel use guns to protect humans, Hamas use humans to protect guns".

The whole human shield thing is the only piece of propaganda the Israeli's seem to have for Hamas being anything other than a group of people forced to fight or die.

Even the Zionists outright admitted that they wouldn't let the partition last. Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister of Israel only agreed to the partition "on the assumption that after we become a strong force, as a result of the creation of the state, we shall abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine.".
User avatar #88 to #74 - usarmyexplain
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I once knew a trained army officer, who had 21 years of honorable service, after his first week in Iraq he concluded that there was no risk of us receiving rocket or mortar fire.
He turned out to be very wrong.
www.funnyjunk.com/Scum+of+the+earth/movies/5240011/
Here is a video of a Hamas spokesmen advocating the use of civilian human shields.
User avatar #105 to #88 - anonymoose
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Did you watch the clip you posted? It didn't advocate human shields, it advocated martyrdom. He never forced those people on to the front of a vehicle like the IDF scum are doing to the child in the picture I posted.

No one was forced to do what they did there. They sacrificed themselves for a cause they saw fit.

When you kill children in mass, you will probably have adults martyr themselves.
#107 to #105 - usarmyexplain
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Really? The children chose to climb up on the roofs of buildings?

They strait up say they are encouraging people to do it. They are encouraging children to shield munitions with their bodies.

They don't bother to build shelters or bunkers to protect their civilians, they use tunnels to place munitions under schools and residential areas. Neither Hamas or its advocates offer to setup incoming fire detection systems, none of their artillery crews even bother to set up counter battery fire. This is not the action of insurgents fighting for their lives, this is an organization using hate and fear to seize control of a people.

Despite being one of the most experienced paramilitary groups in the world, Hamas makes little effort to strike military objectives. When they penetrate Israeli defenses they ignore targets like the Iron Dome systems, command and control facilities, missile batteries, or logistical infrastructure, instead they go after civilian targets. Sure they attack the periodic check point and try to kidnap Israeli soldiers, but that's not actually making any progress outside the minds of their subjects.
User avatar #109 to #107 - anonymoose
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Who mentioned children? You just forced the word "children" in there to force sympathy.

They encouraged people to try and do it because they thought the IDF might rethink murdering civilians. HAHAHAHA as if that would ever happen.

THEY CAN'T ******* AFFORD SHELTER! Gaza is ******* overcrowded. To put it into perspective, I live in Belfast. This place seems quite crowded most days. Gaza is 1/3rd the size with 6 times the population. There are more people in Gaza than ******* Northern Ireland.

And again, I live in a place where the IRA used to live. The older generation of my area housed munition for the IRA WILLINGLY because they were helping fight the occupation. You have never talked to a single person who has lived in a forced occupied state. When people invade your land, you will do ANYTHING to fight them.

Hamas are a voluntary militia, they don't have the ******* billions the Israeli's have. Defence takes money these people don't have. When you have no money in war, offence is the only option.

Can you please link me to sources of your last paragraph?
#111 to #109 - usarmyexplain
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Woah woah woah. Lets back the assumption train up.

I have spoken with more than a few people who lived in occupied countries. I was one of the ones doing some of the occupying in a few cases.

Hamas and the PLO are placing munitions under and inside schools, they are having children stand on the roofs of building they know will be attacked. I didn't force the children into this, they did.

If they can dig tunnels and buy munitions I think they could find the financial resources to make a few bunkers for civilians, but they don't. Maybe they couldn't protect all the civilians, but they could at least protect them in areas where they were planning to operate. They are backed by some of the most wealthy nations in the world, they spend millions on munitions, but take few steps to protect their people.




I've been following the news from the region for the past couple decades.

archive.adl.org/israel/israel_attacks.html#.U9whMRE1xgg
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel
User avatar #15 to #14 - teranin [OP]
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I'm advoating saving Israel and Palestine by not allowing this crap to continue. I never advocated the destruction of either.
User avatar #22 to #15 - usarmyexplain
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"If either country fails to abide by our mandate, we destroy them utterly."

Sounds like you are advocating exactly that. Destroy one country to save the other. I dont disagree with you on that point, there will be violence there as long as any Jew lives, but I dont agree that it's something we should actually do.
User avatar #23 to #22 - teranin [OP]
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If they don't abide the mandate. The mandate is the recommended action, there could be layers of punishment, but the point is the forceful trampling of sovreignity by a third party. Also, I don't want that either, but it's hypocritical to support one side or the other with money/weapons when we could simply end the conflict. We're simply serving israel's interests at this point, rather than the interests of stability for the region.
User avatar #26 to #23 - usarmyexplain
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What benefit a third would have in enforcing that sort of agreement?

And what is the land actually worth? It's an insignificant piece of dirt that is only valuable to the people living there. There are no extraordinarily valuable resources or great agriculture areas, the lad is worthless.
User avatar #30 to #26 - teranin [OP]
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The benefit is stability, not in the land our resources of the land. It's a tough nut to crack, the israel/palestine problem, but it needs to either be cracked, or be internationally quarantined from interference. That's all I'm saying. Supporting israel is supporting evil, supporting palestine is supporting fanatacism. Neither is a win.
User avatar #35 to #30 - usarmyexplain
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How does it benefit me to resolve their conflict in the method you have suggested?
#36 to #35 - teranin [OP]
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Honestly?  It doesn't, in the short term.  In the long term, you take the wind out of the sails of israel farming the world for &quot;muh victimhood&quot; money, their power decreases to a reasonable level, and perhaps their long-sought after globalization becomes a possibility through inspiration and conversation rather than manipulation and resource monopolization.     
   
Further, it has the benefit of redirecting focus in that region to things that are truly a risk to Israel's sovreignity, like Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan.  An Israel that isn't worried about it's internal borders is suddenly a much more dangerous animal to all those theocracies we were hoping they would help keep in check.   
   
But, again, the best solution is to simply withdraw the united states' support for israel, and not interfere over there anymore.  Our allies (Israel, Saudi Arabia) have betrayed us too many times for us to keep supporting them anyway.  America is a laughingstock to them, because we let ourselves be walked all over.
Honestly? It doesn't, in the short term. In the long term, you take the wind out of the sails of israel farming the world for "muh victimhood" money, their power decreases to a reasonable level, and perhaps their long-sought after globalization becomes a possibility through inspiration and conversation rather than manipulation and resource monopolization.

Further, it has the benefit of redirecting focus in that region to things that are truly a risk to Israel's sovreignity, like Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan. An Israel that isn't worried about it's internal borders is suddenly a much more dangerous animal to all those theocracies we were hoping they would help keep in check.

But, again, the best solution is to simply withdraw the united states' support for israel, and not interfere over there anymore. Our allies (Israel, Saudi Arabia) have betrayed us too many times for us to keep supporting them anyway. America is a laughingstock to them, because we let ourselves be walked all over.
User avatar #37 to #36 - usarmyexplain
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If all we have to do is withdraw our support form Israel, then what's all this nonsense about third party moderators and utter destruction of countries?
User avatar #38 to #37 - teranin [OP]
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Because withdrawing our support doesn't solve the issue, it will simply allow the slaughter to continue unheeded and unhindered. It's not a "solution" it's more of a "choice".
User avatar #39 to #38 - usarmyexplain
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America is a laughing stock because we are a giant surrounded by idiots.
User avatar #12 to #11 - sirfapaton
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Ah yes... He didn't even mention Nazis there. And because "refusing to get slaughtered by neighbors" means that Israel should bomb schools when & more innocent people than the terrorists do... Totally.
User avatar #17 to #12 - usarmyexplain
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He didn't say Nazis, but he was talking about WWII and the Holocaust.

If you let somebody store munitions under your school, it stops being a school and starts being an ammo dump.
User avatar #75 to #17 - anonymoose
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So what you're saying is that the lives of innocents stop mattering if there are guns under the innocents?
User avatar #87 to #75 - usarmyexplain
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What I'm saying is, they allowed weapons to be stored in their basements, they are no longer civilians. They are guards for a weapons cache. Any legitimate noncombatants in the area that are unaware of the weapons cache are collateral damage.
#44 to #11 - comradewinter
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They violently expanded like an imperialist nation. Had a muslim country, or any other nation in that manner, done the same, it would be knocked down due to International Limits.
User avatar #47 to #44 - usarmyexplain
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Tell me how international Law is working in Ukraine.
#66 to #47 - comradewinter
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Russia is facing several sanctions, despite not being those involved in battle. So even a huge nuclear weapons nation can get stick from the rest of the world. Israel received none.
#1 - bluenebula
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"If you know what's good for you"
User avatar #46 - bakinboy
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isreal is trying to hunt a rat with a bazooka
User avatar #62 to #46 - envinite
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Well, it succeed, isn't it?
#61 - turkeyslapper
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User avatar #77 - anonymoose
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What's with the channel? Hating Israel does not make you an anti-semite.
User avatar #79 to #77 - teranin [OP]
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It does to israel
User avatar #80 to #79 - anonymoose
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Oy Vey! The Anti-Semitic goyims!
User avatar #68 - trollzoll
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So anonymoose is trying to silence other peoples opinions? So much for freedom of speech huh?
#70 to #68 - anon id: e0f67f84
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I dunno about anonymoose, over here, but anonymous seems to mostly be outing people who aren't posting their actual opinions, but rather, the opinions of their government who is either paying or coercing them into doing so.
User avatar #76 to #70 - anonymoose
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Other people don't deserve opinions. My opinion is all.
User avatar #69 to #68 - anonymoose
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Shhhhhh!
User avatar #83 - greenimp
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>sandpeople
User avatar #82 - iamawhitenigger
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Ah, classic JIDF damage control.
#81 - economic
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**economic rolled image** > Max Goldberg
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
User avatar #53 - rebornpotato
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I haven't been following this whole israel situation going on now and i dont claim to, but what in the hell is going on? Why does the US support them when it seems like they are just assholes.
#56 to #53 - anon id: 0428b32a
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because they're threatening the entire world with nuclear retaliation if everybody doesn't just back the **** off. They're willing to start the apocalypse if they're threatened. See Sampson Option.
#60 to #56 - anon id: 34f6b0f5
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>nobody intervene in our affairs or we make fallout a reality
>america intervenes

for ***** sake america, really?

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