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husiuro (12/30/2015) [-] Ya japan has censorship problems on video games. they apparently dont censor the other things that's worse but the video games are stricted.
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epicalania (12/30/2015) [-] Isn't it more so that they have a strict rating system? The games could be uncensored but would go to a higher classification so instead they censor the game so more people can play?
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epicalania (12/30/2015) [-] I don't know the specifics of their rating system, but it works similar to how Australia used to do it when the ACB system didn't have an 'R-18' classification for games.
Some things didn't fit into a lower classification so we couldn't have the games released. For this reason fallout has medX now, it used to be morphene but by replacing it they got it into a lower bracket.
The same thing still happens in games where it isn't necessary to have it explicitly a real-world drug or something, if they can replace something that can be replaced without altering the game, they often do to lower the rating They don't do it if it wouldn't lower the rating though, which is why in L.A. Noire the dead women didn't have clothes in the regular one. It wouldn't have lowered their rating so they left it the same
Some things didn't fit into a lower classification so we couldn't have the games released. For this reason fallout has medX now, it used to be morphene but by replacing it they got it into a lower bracket.
The same thing still happens in games where it isn't necessary to have it explicitly a real-world drug or something, if they can replace something that can be replaced without altering the game, they often do to lower the rating They don't do it if it wouldn't lower the rating though, which is why in L.A. Noire the dead women didn't have clothes in the regular one. It wouldn't have lowered their rating so they left it the same
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epicalania (12/30/2015) [-] Why exaclty is it rediculous?
- This was when the ACb had just started giving games ratings, they used a modified version of their film & television classification system. They have adapted it to better suit the medium over the years but it's still largely the same, all of the ACB classification systems follow largely the same rules.
- It makes sense for a developer to alter their product, within reason, to reach a larger audience. This is how they make money. Even if the designers and producers didn't want to, the publisher often pressures them. But many designers are willing to alter things that won't change their game if it allows more people to play e.g. changing 'morphine' to 'medX' didn't actually change the game, maybe it would have been 'grittier' and more 'real-worldy' if it stayed as morphine but really, it doesn't change the game but it allowed thousands of people to play the game. in more modern times it would vastly increase the potential buyers, but at the time especially it opened up an entire country as a possible audience.
- This was when the ACb had just started giving games ratings, they used a modified version of their film & television classification system. They have adapted it to better suit the medium over the years but it's still largely the same, all of the ACB classification systems follow largely the same rules.
- It makes sense for a developer to alter their product, within reason, to reach a larger audience. This is how they make money. Even if the designers and producers didn't want to, the publisher often pressures them. But many designers are willing to alter things that won't change their game if it allows more people to play e.g. changing 'morphine' to 'medX' didn't actually change the game, maybe it would have been 'grittier' and more 'real-worldy' if it stayed as morphine but really, it doesn't change the game but it allowed thousands of people to play the game. in more modern times it would vastly increase the potential buyers, but at the time especially it opened up an entire country as a possible audience.
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husiuro (12/30/2015) [-] Ya i get it. I referring to medX replacing morphine. Ya it's got restrictions but morphine is such a minor detail in the game that it won't have much effect on the players. I get if medX is used or referred to a lot in the game it violates some sort of requirement for that rating group and want's to reach that group.
Also do they allow the unmodified game for the age group that can play it get it instead in the modified one?
Also do they allow the unmodified game for the age group that can play it get it instead in the modified one?
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epicalania (12/30/2015) [-] The biggest thing with medX is that the classification system, at the time, wasn't very good at dealing with games, so they went on a very clear scale that all publishers could easily use while they figured it out. There was "prominent" and "minor" and "none" and a bunch of things which were considered "of mature persuasion" and it sort of worked in a point score system, so a 0 for none, a 1 for minor and a 3 for prominent Arbitrary numbers, this is a gross oversimplification . So with the violence, prominence of weapons, etc yes, those two things are considered separately. the explicit reference to a drug, no matter how minor its role actually was, was enough to push it up higher than their highest rating, because they didn't have R-18 at the time R-18 allows literally anything that isn't explicitly illegal to have in the medium. i.e. unless it's illegal to put something into your game, like subliminal messaging, R-18 allows it. And for the explicitly illegal stuff, there's usually a way around it if you make it very clear what it contains and some other stuff thats more specific to whats included. .
As for the second, usually they don't because they make the decisions about the time they get the expected ratings, they talk to the people who make them and figure out how to get the lowest classification they've been told they might be considered for. So things like changing the name of a minor element of the game from a real world drug to a fake one, and they just become a regular part of the game. It isn't modified, they just altered their plans slightly to get a larger audience. Far more drastic changes are done throughout the design process and into production. These changes are always minor, usually incredibly so. I wouldn't even consider it changing the game, I'd consider it just another part of the design process, it happens in movies aswell and in all media to a lesser extent, it's just that games, followed by movies, are the overwhelming majority of times it can work. It's basically the pareto effect in action.
Feel free to ask questions, I love design and any discussion on it is something I find enjoyable.
As for the second, usually they don't because they make the decisions about the time they get the expected ratings, they talk to the people who make them and figure out how to get the lowest classification they've been told they might be considered for. So things like changing the name of a minor element of the game from a real world drug to a fake one, and they just become a regular part of the game. It isn't modified, they just altered their plans slightly to get a larger audience. Far more drastic changes are done throughout the design process and into production. These changes are always minor, usually incredibly so. I wouldn't even consider it changing the game, I'd consider it just another part of the design process, it happens in movies aswell and in all media to a lesser extent, it's just that games, followed by movies, are the overwhelming majority of times it can work. It's basically the pareto effect in action.
Feel free to ask questions, I love design and any discussion on it is something I find enjoyable.
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epicalania (12/30/2015) [-] I don't really pay attention to name colour.
Yeah, they hide text so I usually put different/concise/stand alone explanations in them. Means you can read my comment without interrupting but get extra info aswell
Yeah, they hide text so I usually put different/concise/stand alone explanations in them. Means you can read my comment without interrupting but get extra info aswell
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epicalania (12/30/2015) [-] They are.
But right now they're full of star wars spoilers and I haven't watched it yet
But right now they're full of star wars spoilers and I haven't watched it yet
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husiuro (12/30/2015) [-] I've seen it's ok i didn't really dig it much. i've Been told if i'd had seen the other ones I'd like it more ~not a star wars spoiler
It's nice that they're using the spoiler for that. If you are hyped for star wars you should probably see it soon before you stumble upon a uncover spoiler.
It's nice that they're using the spoiler for that. If you are hyped for star wars you should probably see it soon before you stumble upon a uncover spoiler.
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epicalania (12/30/2015) [-] I am planning on seeing it as soon as I can but I'm broke right now.
I meant ALL of them. All the ones you aren't expecting.
I meant ALL of them. All the ones you aren't expecting.
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husiuro (12/30/2015) [-] dang. If i was you i'd go into denial and pretend they lying.
At least you can always enjoy the quality and mood put into it No one could ruin that. . That was best parts. When watching It i could feel the creativity flowing through certain scenes ^-^. my god new star wars concept art would be awesome
At least you can always enjoy the quality and mood put into it No one could ruin that. . That was best parts. When watching It i could feel the creativity flowing through certain scenes ^-^. my god new star wars concept art would be awesome
