you know superman dies too.

ok once, but give me a break it was to fucking doomsday for crying out loud. and i sucked that shit up

ok.

Superman can't even move the earth without help, let alone lift it

except when he does

Wow showing me a scan of a plot assisted Superman, who was amped up for that comic. He was boosted. Good scan

yet when batman magically pulls something out of his ass to defeat someone far stronger than him, that is not the plot assisting him though. and it makes sense for superman to use that state

Fanart =/= legit argument.

very well

superman flew to the andromeda galaxy in a few hours, putting speed at much faster than light. superman has the ability to survive in space and tak two planets crashing into him at once. and superman was strong enough to contain a miniature black hole with his hands. out of character fight with no plot or character holding them back, superman wins

Goku traveled Galaxies in less then a second, and can travel between dimensions.

Goku reached FTL on Namek, him a Frieza were fighting faster then light, were they were outpacing their Aura.

Goku can blow up planets in normal form, SSJ3 Goku can plow though Superman

You got beaten by Batman 3 times, and your ass kicked by a Hulk wannabe

-action comics #1- 1938
-dragonball ch. 1- 1984
-fail

-never beaten by hulk in crossovers and batman only won with severe pis
-fail 2: fail harder

-thinks goku can take marvel by himself in a fight
-fail hard with a vengence

DC writer even acknowledged Goku beats Superman

except when that was a writer for wizard magazine, who had no idea what they were talking about

Except they're a DC writer... and your a kid on the internet.


I think I'll go with the DC writer

bottom left hand corner. what does that say?

"I'll wipe this city off the face of the Earth"

Superman defeated by a city buster

I remember Nappa did that with his fingers

it seems you lack reading comprehension

that persons ability clearly is related to controlling energy, which includes supermans sunlight energy. it was a bad match for superman, but how did that fight end again?

and goku never survived an attack like this

Are you joking?

Frieza chopped in half, drained of his ki, and practially dead survived a planet exploding.

Anything above SSj would laugh that off.

Goku's SSJ3 PL is 24,000,000,000

He was busting planets in Sayain Saga, at 18, 000

Don't even being up SSj4, Goku stomps Superman into the ground

implying power levels are anything more that arbitrary numbers that toriyama made upp for the villains to look more imposing

goku had to fight against vegetas blast in saiyan saga because if it hit the planet destroying attack will kill him easily. in namek goku had to get away because he could not survive a planet exploding either. in the cell games goku was killed by a planet threatening blast too. in the buu fight goku did not get hit by any move like that either

goku can not survive what superman can go through

goku gets molested

which is dumb because goku can not fight in space. and now goku magically knows supermans weakness? and red suns do not make superman powerless right away. and goku is not getting close to superman

So what your saying is Frieza chopped in half has more durability then SSj3 Goku?

And your saying a farmer with a PL of 5, can match 24 billion because it's just "powerlevels?"

what i am saying is that goku when fighting cell, while being even stronger than when he fought in namek, was killed by an attack meant to destroy a planet. in gokus fight with buu, he needed to be saved by kibito kai before buu blew up the planet with a ki attack too. goku can not survive that

lets use your logic with power levels though

assume goku can destroy jupiter with a power level of 24,000,000,000 in one move and that the farmer has 5. that makes goku 4.8 billion times stronger than the farmer. now jupiter has a surface area of 6.22 X 10^10 km^2. if the farmer is 4.8 billion times weaker than goku, that means the farmer can destroy a area of about 320 acres with one move, or a little bit less than the area of 320 football fields without the endzones

power levels are poor for comparisons

....... are you serious?

The farmer neither has KI attacks so he can't blow up anything...

And Once received Ki training, the PL of the person goes way up.

Look at Kid Goku went from 10->90 when he learned the Kamehameha.

+ Raditz even detected once they use moves, their PL rises.

Powerlevels will always be used in DBZ, Goku absolutely stomps Superman.

Goku's teleporting and power outmatch Superman.

the wanking is strong with this one

that calculation was using your other scan. yes power level increases when a character charges, but in canon gokus maximum power level is at ss3 and is 24,000,000,000. there is no indication it goes any higher, unless noncanon is used

but power level applies to strength as well. not lets say that goku can destroy mnt. everest with a punch. goku is 4.8 billion times stronger than the farmer. mnt everest weighs about 3.04 X 10^15 kg. goku is also a very fit martial artist, so if he was just a regular human, let us say that he punches about 10 times stronger than normal. that means the farmer can destroy an object that is about 7 tons with one punch

regardless of these numbers, goku never shown anything comparable to superman

superman can move objects that dwarf the Earth-Moon system and goku can not

superman can travel to the andromeda galaxy in a few hours and goku can not

superman survived a supernova, extreme heat and cold, and escaped a black hole with his speed and goku can not

superman has a genius intelligence and goku is retarded

superman can use torquasm-vo, freeze breath, can process thing much faster than other super heroes, has heat vision hotter than the Sun, has many super senses, and can also phase through attacks by vibrating

goku is out of his league in this fight

Goku's kicked shattered mountains in Frieza Saga.

In SSj3 with the fight vs Kid Buu they were rearranging the Supreme Kai's planet with their fists.

rearranging the planet huh? why do i think this is nothing but hyperbole?

Superman cannot punch near as fast or react to Goku.

He's slower then Wonder Woman

only applies to characters within the same speed category. goku is hypersonic

Base form is FTL, SSj3 goku stomps

Checkmate.

+ There Ki has been able to go over the top FTL.

Piccolo blew up the moon in a second, which light takes 1.23 seconds to travel to.

Frieza deathbeams were all FTL, as Piccolo and Vegeta only saw a flash of light. Goku blocked them.


Proving time after time that Goku is FTL base.

Ki move

Light =/= ki

Wonder Woman was slapping around a bloodlusted Superman

Ahah I'm wanking?

Goku traveled to Galaxies in seconds, he has teleportation and travel speed has nothing to do in a fight.

Goku's combat speed is way faster. He can punch faster, block, as he was doing FTL combat speed in Frieza saga. Superman can even keep up with Wonder Woman in punches (See scan)

Lifting has NOTHING to do in a fight, Goku can blow up planets with 1 blast in base form. SSJ3 would vaporize Sueprman.

Goku powering up in SSJ3 shook 6 sextillion tons of mass and could be felt in the Holy relm.

He could lift a block of the hardest metal in the universe.

Goku has afterimages, dragon fist, ki manipulation, Ki attacks, warp kamehameha, teleportation, telekinesis, telepathy through contact, martial arts that rival legendary martial arts masters, Kaio Ken which boosts his power and speed, Genki Dama, and can put Ki into hitting power.


Goku is a fighter, his powers are used for killing, SUpermans powers are used for helping.

Goku reached Superman level at Frieza saga, SSj3 Goku stomsp badly.

SSj4 he fought dragons that could go absolute Zero, fought Nova shenron who was hotter then the sun.

He stood his ground against a nuke, and didn't budge.



Goku wins

1) except when goku didn't. teleportation is good for running away, but goku needs an energy reading first. superman destroys goku before goku can react

2) except that whole argument between combat speed and travel speed is complete bullshit. goku never fought at that speed and to say so is wanking of the purest form. and the whole argument about wonder woman falls apart by the fact she can travel at ftl speeds too, and has reactions even faster due to her training outskirtsbattledome.wikispaces.com/Combat+Speed+Fallacy

3) never said anything about lifting only punching strength. goku needs to charge and scream like a constipated monkey for his stronger attacks to be performed. ki does not travel as fast as many dc comic superheroes anyway

4) implying that has to do with anything

5) and LIFTING the hardest metal is a feat of strength why?

6) a) superman can do afterimages too, b) dragon fist is useless against superman speed, c-e) ki does not travel fast enough to hit superman, f) teleportation relies on gokus reaction speed, which is nowhere near how fast superman can fight at, g) telekinesis is just a weaker, invisible for of ki manipulation, h) yet he does not use telepathy during an actual fight well does he? besides get close to superman and gokus arm is ripped off, i) so batman will beat hulk in a fist fight?, j) kaio ken became useless after ss1, k) spirit bomb makes goku vulnerable, requires outside help, and does not affect good characters, l) goku is too slow to hit superman

Sigh there is no getting through to you.

Superman doesn't have the speed to match Goku.

Goku escaped Frieza imprisonment light ball in base form. Showing FTL combat speed.

Goku also dodged many FTl beams.

Goku teleporting >>>>>>>>>>>> Superman

light =/= ki

ftl beams? teleporting is speed? is nightcrawler faster than the flash? it just seems you are now just saying thing because you want them to be so

there has been no clear quantifiable evidence showing goku can move at those speeds. superman traveled to another galaxy in hours, putting himat millions of times faster than light. relying on artistic technique, calculations based on arbitrary numbers, and hyperbole does not work against characters with more clear abilities

Goku teleporting can be used in combat, he dodge attacks, teleport behind Superman, tries to punch him he teleports.

Tries to heat vision teleports.

It seems your mad, Goku has an uber ability which trumps Superman.



Does this to Superman and then laughs at his pathetic ass

What part of millions of times FTL is hard to understand. Show me where goku dodges attacks at that speed

7) silver surfer is a pacifist but will still beat the punisher in a fight

8) baseless opinion from no amount of evidence

9) gt is not canon, but even still goku has not escaped a black hole, survive a supernova, or shown immunity to disease causing microbes

if you wan to keep bringing up wonder woman, then i am free to say that goku struggled with weights weighing 40 tons. only the best feats are used

GT is canon.

It was ovesaw by Akira Toriyama and he shadowed the project and put in his input when nessecary.

You know nothing of DBZ or GT

Now you are trolling. Gt is most certainly not canon this is common knowledge

Toriyama did not write it

Not his ideas

Not canon

No it's deemed canon because of the new 2013 movie.
Akira said the movie is taking place before GT in the 10 years, so GT is canon.

And It was fun debating with you, this will always be an endless debate.

Buuuuutttt Goku has a 1+ because a DC writer even said Goku would win.

gbye