The (De)Evolution of Super Saiyans. . itoi# mas ffi'' rli. lla.. NM tif. I always thought that Goten and Trunks reach SS so fast because they were both conceived by exceedingly powerful saiyans putting their base level at birth much  dbz
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User avatar #14 - Ging
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I always thought that Goten and Trunks reach SS so fast because they were both conceived by exceedingly powerful saiyans putting their base level at birth much higher than their fathers who were born to strong but still normal saiyans. I also just disregard GT.
User avatar #16 to #14 - aerr
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Well no Sayain is supposed to be born super powerful (Broly excluded), like power level shouldn't be in their genes. Goku and Vegeta became powerful over time due to intense training, zen-kai power, and self determination. The only logical explanation would be that maybe the genes of the Sayains evolve as they get stronger as an evolutionary tactic or, as I like to imagine, they have super charged sperm that deposits secret stores of energy in the kids that they can use when they're in a pinch.



I always found it wierd that the generations got stronger as they went on because the Saiyan blood is getting diluted with more human DNA. Like Goku Jr, in the image above, become a super Saiyan when he is 9 and he is only 1/16th Saiyan.
#28 to #16 - anon id: 1ed735da
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They got stronger, because it was harder for saiyans to have the emotions needed for becoming an SSJ. When their blood line mixed with humans, as you may know humans are very emotional beings, so their kids were more easily able to access that extreme emotion required to tap into becoming a SSJ. While they could do so sooner, they also progressively got weaker (Trunks and Goten never even reach Super saiyan level 2) in their SSJ forms.
User avatar #43 to #28 - Ging
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But it took no real emotion for Trunks and Goten to reach Super Saiyan. My thought is that there is an evolutionary principle of saiyans that powerful parents give birth to powerful children in order to assure the continued strengthening of their race. Also I think half-saiyans may be stronger than full bloods because their saiyan genes react to their weaker human biology as in a constant state of near death which causes them to be in a continuous zenkai state, always getting stronger because of their humanity.
#3 - anon id: 969ebe18
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Don't forget about this:

>Goku turns SSJ3, the entire worlds quakes and almost gets ripped apart

>Goku turns SSJ4, only the rock he stands on breaks
User avatar #12 to #3 - fukbushizgetmunny
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what the **** is a ssj4?
User avatar #13 to #12 - qwarthos
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Full grown Goku sized man ape with red fur from Dragonball GT
User avatar #47 to #3 - lukagamer
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Probably because going from SSJ2-SSJ3 requiers alot more energy than going SSJ3-SSJ4 I dunno , thats my guess :\
User avatar #4 to #3 - nephritho
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ssj4 non canon.
User avatar #15 to #3 - aerr
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As he becomes more powerful he also learns how to better control his energy. Ex: the first time Goku goes super Saiyan the earth around his raises and lightning is everywhere as his energy is un contained and super charging the air around him. Later on when he can tranform at will, and has better control of his ki, this no longer happens.


I'm guessing since SSJ3 was his first step up he wasn't prepared for it, and by SSJ4 he had a firm grasp on how to control his ki. He was like 53 in GT so he'd been super saiyaning for 28 years at this point.
User avatar #7 to #3 - srapture
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Although it doesn't make too much sense to apply logic to anime, that might be because it's a more efficient super saiyan state which doesn't transfer as much energy to it's surroundings so more energy is contained within the user. Just a thought.
#2 - radiohazard
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Yeah, goten and trunks killed the legend for good
User avatar #33 - TheCanadianPatriot
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Half Saiyans like Goten and Trunks can go SS so easily because their human side allows them to be more in touch with emotion, or something like that. Full Saiyans repress all emotion (with the exeption of Goku) so it's harder for them to reach SS. Likely the only reason it took Goku so long was because he is such a happy guy, it took a long time for him to experience the needed emotion to go SS.

I don't remember specifics but it was something along those lines. But as for those last two, they are from GT which was only a TV series, none of it happened in the manga, so just ignore them.
User avatar #38 to #33 - doctadoc
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I said this exact thing a few months back and people called me an idiot because it wasn't posted in anime/manga...guess i should have known my boundaries.
#17 - asasqw
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It could just me trying to figure a way for it to make sense but perhaps since both were conceived by Saiyans who had achieved SS so it broke some kind of biological limit? No too simple and logical for DBZ
It could just me trying to figure a way for it to make sense but perhaps since both were conceived by Saiyans who had achieved SS so it broke some kind of biological limit? No too simple and logical for DBZ

#18 to #17 - anon id: 3a4e5f08
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That's actually a commonly accepted theory.
User avatar #23 to #17 - lorddarkskull
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is radditz ssj1 or ssj3?
User avatar #34 to #23 - asasqw
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Looks like 3
#25 to #17 - anon id: 1b506ab6
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This is my head canon too.

Children conceived when the sayian is stronger will be born stronger, or at least more capable of achieving similar strength.
#29 - antigravitycake
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EVERYONES A SUPER SAIYAN
EVERYONES A SUPER SAIYAN
User avatar #36 - dragonstew
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Half-human/half-saiyans can achieve super saiyan more easily because becoming super saiyan is built off of feeling intense emotion. Humans are much more emotional than saiyans, since saiyans are basically cold-blooding killing machines.
#32 - anon id: 9074fb06
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They've said before Gohan should be stronger than Goku due to the fact he's a half saiyan. I suppose that means trunks has the same potential, and their grandkids at the end of GT are 1/4 saiyans, making them the strongest.
User avatar #35 to #32 - nightmaren
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That's one thing that always bugged me. I don't see how being half human makes a saiyan stronger. I feel like being half-saiyan should make them weaker, if anything.
User avatar #37 to #35 - doctadoc
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Saiyan genes must be dominant. But they are raised as humans, allowing them to be emotional.
User avatar #39 to #37 - nightmaren
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That makes more sense.
User avatar #20 - lazorgator
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Its alright though, DBGT is officially non canon confirmed by Toriyama himself! We no longer need to deal with its monstrosity.
User avatar #21 to #20 - devilofscience
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but that still leaves the buu saga logic to contend with, a mysterious son born after Goku died who grows up around the same age as Trunks and can become a Super Saiyan with only basic self defense training from his mom under his belt.
User avatar #22 to #21 - breaken
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Got her pregnant before he fought Cell, Trunks is one year older.
User avatar #26 to #22 - devilofscience
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In what time?
User avatar #48 to #26 - breaken
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boom boom time
#1 - anon id: 3a4e5f08
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There aren't any DBZ fans on FJ, so stop posting DBZ content.
#5 to #1 - anon id: 6a3f33db
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Wow, so DBZ is frowned upon, when there is a channel of ponyfags? Let me repeat that to you: A whole group of people who like a show ... for girls. Girls.
User avatar #8 to #5 - charagrin
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Guilty as charged. I love you.
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