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#45 - snowshark (07/22/2013) [-]
Season 3 is best season!

Interesting fact about season 3. When Guilmon does his Skull Greymon thing and dark digivolves he ends up as a monster called Megidramon, named after the famous archeological site Tel Megiddo... or as it's known in greek, Armageddon.

Guilomon digivolves into the avatar of the apocalypse and that is mirrored by the way the entire digital world begins to react to it's existence.

Essentially when Tai made Agumon dark digivolve he got to cry a little and they all learned a lesson. Come season 3 and they almost destroy the whole ******* digital world!
#187 to #45 - blackrookfiend (07/22/2013) [-]
I say, this is the largest Digimon thread I have EVER seen on FJ.
User avatar #188 to #187 - snowshark (07/22/2013) [-]
Eh, it was bound to happen sooner or later.
#145 to #45 - darkangeloffire (07/22/2013) [-]
You seem to like Megidramon. Here's a free wallpaper.
User avatar #151 to #145 - snowshark (07/22/2013) [-]
Already got one and that is far too small to be a wallpaper.
User avatar #152 to #151 - darkangeloffire (07/22/2013) [-]
I use it as a wallpaper. fits nicely.
User avatar #153 to #152 - snowshark (07/22/2013) [-]
I think I must have a far larger screen than you then... 'cause that's pretty titchy on my screen.
User avatar #155 to #153 - darkangeloffire (07/22/2013) [-]
It may be the smaller version, I don't know. I just like that picture.
User avatar #157 to #155 - snowshark (07/22/2013) [-]
Aye, it's pretty beast.
#159 to #157 - darkangeloffire (07/22/2013) [-]
Then again, my wallpaper on my chromebook is of Beelzemon. This particular pic. In fact, I also made it my google chrome theme.
User avatar #160 to #159 - snowshark (07/22/2013) [-]
That also doesn't fit... it's still pretty awesome, mind.
User avatar #161 to #160 - darkangeloffire (07/22/2013) [-]
Yeah. My chromebook is pretty small. Both those pics fit on my larger laptop so I have no idea what's going on with size.
User avatar #162 to #161 - snowshark (07/22/2013) [-]
Eh, best to keep calm and just blame the jews.
User avatar #163 to #162 - darkangeloffire (07/22/2013) [-]
Eh, sure, why not.
#85 to #45 - tallzed (07/22/2013) [-]
Here is another cool fact. Seraphymon is loosely based off of Sephiroth.
Here is another cool fact. Seraphymon is loosely based off of Sephiroth.
#91 to #85 - snowshark (07/22/2013) [-]
Seraphim.... based on the seraphim.
Seraphim.... based on the seraphim.
User avatar #92 to #91 - tallzed (07/22/2013) [-]
NO he is based off of Sephiroth. Sephiroth is based off of Seraphim.
User avatar #94 to #93 - tallzed (07/22/2013) [-]
Why?
#95 to #94 - snowshark (07/22/2013) [-]
You know why.
User avatar #96 to #95 - tallzed (07/22/2013) [-]
No i do not know why.
User avatar #100 to #96 - snowshark (07/22/2013) [-]
Because he's not based off Sephiroth.
User avatar #101 to #100 - tallzed (07/22/2013) [-]
Yes he is! He even ******* quotes Sephiroth!
#103 to #101 - snowshark (07/22/2013) [-]
"Seraphimon is a Seraph Digimon whose names and design are derived from the mythological Seraph and the archangel Michael. As one of the "Celestial Digimon", it is the executor of the enlightened God's laws." from the digi-wiki.

Still, I've not had a chance to use these pics in a while, which is always fun.
User avatar #107 to #103 - tallzed (07/22/2013) [-]
The DigiCode on his breechcloth read and i quote "全ては我と共に". Which literally translates to All shall be one with me. A quote of Sephiroth's.
#108 to #107 - snowshark (07/22/2013) [-]
... and? A quote has nothing to do with a 'basing' as it has nothing to do with the character. It is a design choice but an entirely superficial one which has no effect on the 'base' of the character in terms of design, personality or inspiration.   
   
Granted, that is a Sephi quote but it would be no different if it said "All shall love me" or "Bloopity Bloopity Bloopity Bloopity". Both are quotes (one more reputable than the other) but they're finishing strokes, not base strokes.
... and? A quote has nothing to do with a 'basing' as it has nothing to do with the character. It is a design choice but an entirely superficial one which has no effect on the 'base' of the character in terms of design, personality or inspiration.

Granted, that is a Sephi quote but it would be no different if it said "All shall love me" or "Bloopity Bloopity Bloopity Bloopity". Both are quotes (one more reputable than the other) but they're finishing strokes, not base strokes.
User avatar #110 to #108 - tallzed (07/22/2013) [-]
He also resembles Safer Sephiroth from the game.
#164 to #110 - anonymous (07/22/2013) [-]
I think you don't know what you're talking about keyfag.
Seraphimon is base on a high rank angel; not some fallen one wing demon mutant.

"All shall be one with me" is a holy reference.
#113 to #110 - snowshark (07/22/2013) [-]
Really?
Really?
#112 to #110 - snowshark (07/22/2013) [-]
This guy?
User avatar #118 to #112 - sketchE ONLINE (07/22/2013) [-]
i can see it but i agree with you. while im no expert on bible stuff i could see michael saying that kind of thing too
#46 to #45 - hrg (07/22/2013) [-]
i also think that tamers was the best season
#47 to #46 - snowshark (07/22/2013) [-]
It's not really a contest. In terms of everything that the industry considers to be symbols of quality season 3 beat out all other seasons by miles.   
   
Plus, there's a fight between one of the Daemon Lord Digimon (Beelzebub, named after Satan ffs) fighting toe to toe with the freaking apocalypse!   
   
Damn I love that series.
It's not really a contest. In terms of everything that the industry considers to be symbols of quality season 3 beat out all other seasons by miles.

Plus, there's a fight between one of the Daemon Lord Digimon (Beelzebub, named after Satan ffs) fighting toe to toe with the freaking apocalypse!

Damn I love that series.
#97 to #47 - gallantmon (07/22/2013) [-]
Yeh I beat the living crap outa that guy.
Yeh I beat the living crap outa that guy.
User avatar #99 to #97 - snowshark (07/22/2013) [-]
Yeah... but he had a motorbike, dual double-pistols and a badass energy cannon so... Hail Beelzemon, mofukka.

(Plus, he offs one of the main cast by punching him through the chest... which is pretty freaking dark.)
#105 to #99 - gallantmon (07/22/2013) [-]
I cry evertim
#106 to #105 - snowshark (07/22/2013) [-]
Out of laughter!
#66 to #47 - blackrookfiend (07/22/2013) [-]
If you were to take the symbols of quality as all that makes an anime good, then Trigun wouldn't have become the cult classic that it did, despite it's often poor animation and awful sales in Japan.

While I agree that Tamers was by far the best season in terms of animation quality, the plot that drove it is only arguably the best, with Adventure dueling it for that place.
Adventure had a lot of things going for it. A sense of adventure(duh) in a world we'd never seen before, a huge cast of great, fleshed out characters(that Tamers also wielded well, but with fewer characters) and a truly emotional climax that set the benchmark for the shows following this.

As for the fight between Gluttony and one of the Knights... The Royal Knights and the Seven Great Demon Lords didn't exist at the time. The category was created after Tamers finished, as to glorify the main character's digimon further(as seen with Imperialdramon, Omnimon, Gallantmon). As a matter of fact, the concept for the Knights didn't even come about until Frontier, and even then it wasn't as we know them today.

In summation, yes... Tamers is good. But as to whether it is the best series is down to opinion.

PS: 02 Sucks.
#184 to #66 - ljxjlos ONLINE (07/22/2013) [-]
> 02 Sucks.

How the hell did you even manage to type this without going full Pinocchio/Puppetmon?
User avatar #186 to #184 - blackrookfiend (07/22/2013) [-]
Oh come now. It was not very good. :/
User avatar #196 to #186 - ljxjlos ONLINE (07/23/2013) [-]
I´m rewatching it lately and I love it...
User avatar #198 to #196 - blackrookfiend (07/23/2013) [-]
While I enjoyed watching 02 again purely for nostalgia, the series was constructed mainly of filler in two different sections of the show, with chains of episodes that could have potentially gone on forever, which is never a good thing in a story. Monster of the week is only so good if the plot of show is progressing, which at the time, the show's was not.

Also, the final few scenes were silly. Very. VERY silly. Even for a kid's show.
User avatar #74 to #66 - snowshark (07/22/2013) [-]
Did you think I meant quality in terms of... animation? Because that's the impression I'm getting. In terms of the 'symbols of quality' (I don't quite know what you mean there so I'll take that to mean 'industry standards') Trigun is leagues above much of it's competition. It has involving plot-lines and characters, heapings of subtle intrigue, occasionally the shots were well composed and there were a lot of very strong elements of morality to it as well as a strong and distinct art-style.

Granted, it's not magnificent, but you can definitely see why it gained the cult following based on the analysis of it against the industry standards against which films/animations are judged.

But I think the points really do fall in Tamers' category here because whilst Adventure is a good story it suffers greatly from a lot of elements that were clearly there because the writers did not want to be too adventurous (ironically) with the series. There is no concept of death (merely reincarnation) which means the consequences are pretty slim. It had a larger cast of characters but that led to them being far less developed even in the expanded runtime. They were tropes which is understandable and it works in the genre but earns few points in terms of character.

The characters did develop and change over time but not much. There was a bigger sense of adventure because of the immersion into the world which is a point in its favour as the digiworld in Tamers is pretty empty and forgettable. However at the end of it all I think that's where the difference lies. It is all in the name. Adventure was about the adventure whilst Tamers was more about the characters. When you really dig into the inner workings of both series you find that there's much more to tamers than meets the eye whilst adventure is pretty much a 'what you see is what you get' kind of thing.

Tamers' biggest weapon is its depth of character and that is something more valuable than just world-building alone.
#70 to #66 - anonymous (07/22/2013) [-]
I would say that you simply need to rewatch the season again; when you do you would see that season one was not as well planned out as it seem it did nor as great. Example is the digilutions that took so much time to do just for the sake of wasting screen time so they can fill an episode time spot.
User avatar #72 to #70 - blackrookfiend (07/22/2013) [-]
While this is true, this is because the budget for the show was not very large at the time. As for planning, considering they created every episode after the first arc on the fly(due to the fact that they never intended to create anything past the first arc), it's mighty impressive they managed to create such a fluid world with characters and motivations that were actually compelling.
User avatar #75 to #72 - snowshark (07/22/2013) [-]
Oh there's no mistake that is a triumph, but someone strong supporting a heavy beam isn't as solid as someone smart who planned ahead and built the beam into the wall.

Tamers had numerous advantages over Adventure and whilst Adventure is highly commendable for what it did manage (WIZARDMON!!!!! π_π) it is all inconsequential when it is stacked up against the far deeper and better planned out Tamers. I admire Trigun for the team managing to make something so good whilst dealing with so many issues (as well as having the guts to divert from the far more overt manga) but it isn't better than Cowboy Bebop, another icon of the era that had a bigger budget and far less getting in it's way.
User avatar #77 to #75 - blackrookfiend (07/22/2013) [-]
On this day I concede defeat. You've shown me what you're saying is true and I'm actually rather glad I got to have this conversation, as it's cleared up some misconceptions I've had when it comes to judging a show.

However, in the case of favourite, we must agree to disagree. My favourite season will always be Adventure, if not wholly because of the characters but because of the digital world from this season in general.
User avatar #78 to #77 - snowshark (07/22/2013) [-]
Oh gods no! Adventure isn't great at all! It's ******* dope, son! It's the ******* **** ! It's probably one of the best nostalgic T.V. shows of my past! Great just doesn't do it justice!

Whilst the tropes make for pretty simple characters (Izzy the geek, Tai the Jock, Matt the goth, T.K. the little kid, Mimi the brat, Sora the Tomboy... you get the idea) it made them really relatable for kids. When a character isn't very deep it means less-learned viewers can understand them better (Izzy fo life, yo!) which meant... kids your age that you liked fighting devils and vampires with their own sidekick giant monsters!

Seriously good series. Tamers is the more technical show but as a kid much of that was lost on me and I didn't really get into it. That's the real problem when writing for kids, you have to make the gateway to the show simple. I saw Digimon Tamers and was like "Where's everyone else?" with the only person I noticed being Kari as the teacher (a nice easter egg by the dub staff).

Adventure isn't my favourite anymore but it certainly was when I was a kid. It is far greater than the sum of it's parts.

And aye, it is really worth having these kinds of conversations about media of any kind. It allows us to cross swords (or lock horns or whatever metaphor takes your fancy) in a more gentlemanly manner. I just wish these opportunities came up more often as I've got a lot to say about Naruto/Bleach/One Piece/Fairy Tail... and pretty much every other anime I've seen... I'm a stickler for detail. xD
User avatar #84 to #78 - blackrookfiend (07/22/2013) [-]
Well, the Shonen of today are a completely different kettle of fish, now aren't they?
Honestly, apart from the Shinigami Arc of Bleach, I don't care much for the mainstream Shonen of current times. As a matter of fact, the only three shonen I could really say i enjoyed were Dragonball( and Z), Hokuto no Ken and Jojo's Bizzarre Adventure.

I'm aware that DBZ isn't the most thought provoking of anime, but it didn't try to mask that fact. You got what you came for: Big flashy fights. Mind you, it does help that the Saiyan and Frieza Saga were actually planned out rather well.
User avatar #102 to #84 - snowshark (07/22/2013) [-]
The thing is that I tend to dislike DBZ and Jojo because it contained no subtlety. It was all screaming, punching, kicking and galaxy-wide threats.

It's pretty much shounen with no toppings. Bleach had a decent start up to the Soul Society arc but from there it just went downhill. I still follow Bleach, Naruto, One Piece and Fairy Tail despite their faults (which for some of them are myriad) because they are varied in the kind of action you get. Sure, not by much as it is all essentially the same but in the early stages of Naruto you knew that every fight you were going to watch would be two guys with completely different styles going head to head and the difference between them was not their speed or the size of their muscles but the tactics involved.

Over time it lost that in favour of the "Shounen Messiah" trope but, like with bleach, the early stages were good. Bleach still produces vastly different and pretty imaginative scenarios and powers to play around with, One Piece has consistently shown really stellar writing in contrast to it's overly-cartoony look (which is juxtaposed nicely against it's very dark underlying themes) and Fairy Tail... well that could have been really good if not for the sheer terribleness of the writer.

Whilst DBZ has some good elements to it, it's not enough to keep my attention nor tastes... however DBZ abridged? Now that **** is amazing. It combines the good elements of DBZ with fantastic humour and comic timing to make an all-round appealing show. It's both true to the DBZ mythos and a vicious parody of it at the same time. (Though I really worry if it too peaked at the Freiza saga... time will tell.)

Still, I wish there was some kind of combination between the unforgiving nature of the older shounen with the more varied and imaginative newer shounen. One Piece is the only big one that comes to mind that really has that though Magi (manga) is a really strong contender for that same title, even if the artwork is poor.
User avatar #48 to #47 - runelh (07/22/2013) [-]
Is there a season 3?! We are talking about Digimon right?!
User avatar #52 to #48 - swagloon (07/22/2013) [-]
there a season 6.
User avatar #53 to #52 - runelh (07/22/2013) [-]
Holy ******* **** , i haven't seen Digimon since the second series... I always thought it stopped after that.
User avatar #54 to #53 - swagloon (07/22/2013) [-]
To be warned. Except season 1 and 2 all the other season are in paralleled worlds; example would be that season 1 and 2 is a tv show in season 3.
So far Season 3 was the best season I seen.
Cooler digimon / new digilution / better setting / and better evil boss
Season 4 was great too; however people called it lame because it was the humans turning into the digimon. I haven't finish that one yet.
Season 5 is Digimon Data Squad
Season 6 is Digimon Xros Wars Nice twist with this one is that the paralleled world crossed together so Tai is back.
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User avatar #88 to #87 - swagloon (07/22/2013) [-]
I haven't seen much of it but how do you feel about digimon transforming together with other digimon to make a bigger one?
User avatar #67 to #54 - blackrookfiend (07/22/2013) [-]
Don't forget the sequel series to Xros Wars.

Major fanboyism from me for that one.
User avatar #68 to #67 - swagloon (07/22/2013) [-]
sorry but i'm not familiar with that; what is it called?
User avatar #69 to #68 - blackrookfiend (07/22/2013) [-]
It may have been rebranded as part of the Xros Wars, but it featured a new set of characters, so most fans thought of it as a sequel series in the same vein as 02.

The Young Hunters Who Leapt Through Time.
#55 to #54 - runelh (07/22/2013) [-]
I remember I was a bit dissappointed in the second series... But I guess I have something to look forward to! Thank you kind sir.   
   
-Here's some boobs with kitty.
I remember I was a bit dissappointed in the second series... But I guess I have something to look forward to! Thank you kind sir.

-Here's some boobs with kitty.
#56 to #55 - swagloon (07/22/2013) [-]
And here's some digiboobs.   
   
 Also I agree, second season was a piece of 						****					 with a lot of plot holes and uncontinued story to it. The only good thing about the second season is that they showed the Tamers grown up with jobs and families.
And here's some digiboobs.

Also I agree, second season was a piece of **** with a lot of plot holes and uncontinued story to it. The only good thing about the second season is that they showed the Tamers grown up with jobs and families.
User avatar #204 to #57 - swagloon (05/21/2014) [-]
So have you seen more digimon yet. If not netflix has it up to season 3.
I forgot about this thread. Only here because of anon.
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