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demonatatoo (12/31/2015) [-] Can someone edit this so that the sparks are red thumbs and the clones say "anon"
Pretty please?
Pretty please?
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alwaysscaroused (12/31/2015) [-] They stopped when the Republic fell (episode III),at this moment they stopped making new clones and the troopers of the Empire were humans recruited and trained. of course they didn't kill clones that were in service, but since they had accelerated aging they are a very few numbers (less than 5000 if i recall) at the time of episode IV
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demonatatoo (12/31/2015) [-] Don't tell my friends and family, but all the star wars knowledge I have comes from commercials and **** like that.
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wraithguard (12/31/2015) [-] Just watch the movies. You well not regret it. It's a mega franchise for a reason.
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alwaysscaroused (12/31/2015) [-] I won't shame you or insult you or whatever. but i can at least tell you to see those movies, though if you've never seen them it probably won't be as good to you than it was too me because nostalgia and ****
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huntergriff ONLINE (12/30/2015) [-] It's not like you posted the gif where he impales han.
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loganmadder (12/30/2015) [-] There needs to be an 'actual spoiler' button, not just for comedic use, like the eye is grey or brown because this one is blue, brown eyes make sense or something
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itsbeowulftime (12/30/2015) [-] Then people would use the serious spoiler button for jokes you dumbass
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donbionicle ONLINE (12/30/2015) [-] Then there's the people that just don't use the spoiler button at all, cause 'hurr durr Ima trull yuuuu'
I always forget to avoid the internet before I go see a new movie.
I always forget to avoid the internet before I go see a new movie.
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dreygur (12/30/2015) [-] The issue is that people respond to those comments, those responses get a ton of thumbs, hence the spoiler is basically stuck as top comment. It'd be neat if people would just thumb them down so they would be buried, and not sort by newest until they've seen the movie.
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donbionicle ONLINE (12/30/2015) [-] The worst is when one asshole uses the unmarked spoiler and goes through newest uploads-that way if you do the same thing you get spoiled no matter what.
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installation (12/30/2015) [-]
We have one. It's called the ******* spoiler button. People just keep using it for unintended purposes, but it's still a spoiler button. Poe survives the crash.
Besides, everyone should know that a spoilered comment might be hiding spoilers themselves. Smh.
Besides, everyone should know that a spoilered comment might be hiding spoilers themselves. Smh.
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creamgravy (12/30/2015) [-] Yeah but people often use it without it being a spoiler, and alot of people will click it without realizing it's an actual spoiler.
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omicronperseieight (12/30/2015) [-] People should be aware of the risk they're taking when they click that eye
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sphincterface (12/30/2015) [-] Still funny, but it's a lot funnier with him screeching "Guards! GUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARDS!"
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saltyfries (12/30/2015) [-] it made everyone at my theater laugh last night, it was pretty funny
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ubermasterfaggot (12/30/2015) [-] I also loved the part when Rey or however you spell her name does that jedi mind trick on the trooper. The way he said that he'll drop his gun and the way he walked out was like his mother telling him to put down his toy blaster and clean up his room.
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amicoolnowmom (12/30/2015) [-]
yeah, that bit also cracked me up, he was like, "Aaaand I'll put down my weapon"
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sgtxrootbeer (12/30/2015) [-] This is why i like Darth Vader.
He was a truly awesome character, and a very good villain, when he got mad, he didn't throw a fit. he dealt with it in a way that demanded the respect and loyalty of his followers.
when kylo came in, he throws hissy fits all the time, making him look like a child.
when you think of Darth Vader, you think of a truly evil person, when you look at kylo, i think he belongs more in the Darth Vader fan-club.
professionals have standards. Vader has them, Kylo lacks them.
He was a truly awesome character, and a very good villain, when he got mad, he didn't throw a fit. he dealt with it in a way that demanded the respect and loyalty of his followers.
when kylo came in, he throws hissy fits all the time, making him look like a child.
when you think of Darth Vader, you think of a truly evil person, when you look at kylo, i think he belongs more in the Darth Vader fan-club.
professionals have standards. Vader has them, Kylo lacks them.
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turtletroll (12/30/2015) [-] The point is that he is flawed.
He's supposed to be emotionally weak and throw temper tantrums.
It's what makes him good
He's supposed to be emotionally weak and throw temper tantrums.
It's what makes him good
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turtletroll (12/30/2015) [-] It's not necessarily meant to be for sympathy.
It makes him human at least
It makes him human at least
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angelious (12/30/2015) [-] yes but that is not enough in a movie.
a villain is supposed to be either threatherning, or sympathetic or atleast otherwise engaging.. he is supposed to be the main drivel outside of the main character,a reason for us to root for the hero or keep us invested in the story. if the main villain is just a whiny brat then the movie will suffer from it as a whole.
a villain is supposed to be either threatherning, or sympathetic or atleast otherwise engaging.. he is supposed to be the main drivel outside of the main character,a reason for us to root for the hero or keep us invested in the story. if the main villain is just a whiny brat then the movie will suffer from it as a whole.
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angelious (12/30/2015) [-] he acted like a whiny brat. yes its threatherning if you have to be close to the homicidal whiny brat. but for someone viewing it from outside, it just came off as pathetic. specially condemning to his reputation was when he lost to finn and that chick i call mary. both of them having no experience in lightsaber dueling.
even with his wounds at the time he should have been able to defeat them.
even with his wounds at the time he should have been able to defeat them.
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viscerys ONLINE (12/30/2015) [-] He's a whiny brat with a ******** of power, which is a pretty intimidating thing.
He didn't lose to Finn, he whooped Finn's ass. Rey, on the other hand who isn't really a mary-sue , had quite a lot of trouble while fighting him until she was in dire straits and finally accepted that she was a jedi. Kylo was insanely ******* wounded, like. The bowcaster send fully armoured stormtroopers flying across cargo bays, while Kylo took that **** straight to the stomach and barely fell to his knees. It's obvious that he's powerful, but even a weapon that powerful is going to **** you up. Him hitting his wound to keep him pumped/awake, is a sign that he's struggling to even stay standing.
He didn't lose to Finn, he whooped Finn's ass. Rey, on the other hand who isn't really a mary-sue , had quite a lot of trouble while fighting him until she was in dire straits and finally accepted that she was a jedi. Kylo was insanely ******* wounded, like. The bowcaster send fully armoured stormtroopers flying across cargo bays, while Kylo took that **** straight to the stomach and barely fell to his knees. It's obvious that he's powerful, but even a weapon that powerful is going to **** you up. Him hitting his wound to keep him pumped/awake, is a sign that he's struggling to even stay standing.
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angelious (12/30/2015) [-] >finn managed to drive ben back
>finn managed to wound rey
>finn is a failure of a stormtrooper
>ben was later on defeated by a scavenger with no experience in combat
>such skill.
and those examples you showcased about the bow were from close range encounter. chewbacca shot it across the whole ravine they were in.
>finn managed to wound rey
>finn is a failure of a stormtrooper
>ben was later on defeated by a scavenger with no experience in combat
>such skill.
and those examples you showcased about the bow were from close range encounter. chewbacca shot it across the whole ravine they were in.
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viscerys ONLINE (12/31/2015) [-] >Finn managed to drive almost mortally wounded Ren back
>Finn managed to wound almost mortally wounded Ren
>Why does that matter? It's his character arc
>Almost mortally wounded who was again wounded by Finn was defeated by a scavenger with what could be revealed to be the strongest force connection in a person in the Star Wars universe
The bowcaster's range obviously doesn't matter in the film, since we can see the force it hits him with. I've seen it twice now, and he steps back and his foot even slides on the spot slightly so as to stop him from flying away. Ren was ****** before he even encountered Finn and Rey out in the forest.
>Finn managed to wound almost mortally wounded Ren
>Why does that matter? It's his character arc
>Almost mortally wounded who was again wounded by Finn was defeated by a scavenger with what could be revealed to be the strongest force connection in a person in the Star Wars universe
The bowcaster's range obviously doesn't matter in the film, since we can see the force it hits him with. I've seen it twice now, and he steps back and his foot even slides on the spot slightly so as to stop him from flying away. Ren was ****** before he even encountered Finn and Rey out in the forest.
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turtletroll (12/31/2015) [-] He is pathetic man.
That's what is good about him. He's on the edge all the time. A whiny obsessive pathetic bitch with immense power who could easily snap at any point.
Not all villains are supposed to be tough guys. That would be insanely boring
That's what is good about him. He's on the edge all the time. A whiny obsessive pathetic bitch with immense power who could easily snap at any point.
Not all villains are supposed to be tough guys. That would be insanely boring
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nyangiraffe (12/31/2015) [-] Vader threw hissy fits too, and that scavenger had hidden force abilities that were stronger at the start than Kylo's did during training.
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angelious (12/31/2015) [-] untrained potential =/= actually trained potential. if untrained potential counted for jack then anakin would have slaughtered everything in his path from the get go.
and vader might have acted out in anger, but it was controlled and well executed. coming off as a badass. bens hissy fits made him seem even more of a jerk than he already was. had they just gone with how he was in his first impressions in jakku, and then just little by little opened up to his insecurities, it would have gone a lot better for the character. but the way it is now. its not a well done character.
and vader might have acted out in anger, but it was controlled and well executed. coming off as a badass. bens hissy fits made him seem even more of a jerk than he already was. had they just gone with how he was in his first impressions in jakku, and then just little by little opened up to his insecurities, it would have gone a lot better for the character. but the way it is now. its not a well done character.
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nyangiraffe (12/31/2015) [-] Vader choked people to get what he wanted. That's a pretty big hissy fit. And her base unlearned force abilities were stronger than his with training because he couldn't control his anger. With Han dead he no longer has a pull to the light besides his mother (who he really doesn't seem to care is alive or dead or not for some reason), he now has the chance to get stronger. he basically had a huge wall blocking his full power and all he could get power through was a tiny hole, now he can break that wall.
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angelious (12/31/2015) [-] controlled terror. if you really think vader chocking people in his calm anger is the same as screaming like a reeree while throwing ones lightsaber around are the same thing, then you need to go out some more. and even anakin, when he was foggled up by emotions was still able to fight evenly againts obi wan, who was one of the best living jedi masters of his time.
face it bub, you are just trying to grasp on straws here.
face it bub, you are just trying to grasp on straws here.
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nyangiraffe (01/01/2016) [-] Really? You call Anakin completely ******* up everything in his fight against Obi Wan fighting evenly? He was so blinded by rage after he choked out his baby mama he basically just was swinging blindly through fury. He gave up every advantage a smart fighter would have taken because he was so blinded.The only reason that fight made it as far as it did is because Obi Wan was trying to talk some sense into him. And Vader choked and killed his own men in his rage, Kylo destroyed equipment. Not only that but him doing that ended up striking fear into his troopers. That scene where he smashed that computer up and his troopers ran away showed just how much they feared him. Two different hissy fits, same result, fear. (Except for those Vader choked the **** out because some of them died.)
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angelious (01/01/2016) [-] and vaders rage was controlled. it came off as more foreboding and badass than kylos temper tantrum. and we arent talking about what effect it had in verse. in verse, i would fear a retard with a gun as much as i would fear a military veteran with a gun. we are judging them as fictional characters in a fictional universe and what effect they had to the viewer. if you cant differentiate between real world and the movie, then you need to go and get some professional help.
and incase you haventh watched star wars return of the sith; anakin nearly killed obi wan twice during the duel, and the duel itself lasted for a good 10 minutes movie time. so yeah. that was pretty ******* even fight.
and incase you haventh watched star wars return of the sith; anakin nearly killed obi wan twice during the duel, and the duel itself lasted for a good 10 minutes movie time. so yeah. that was pretty ******* even fight.
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nyangiraffe (01/01/2016) [-] If you think Obiwan was fighting full force for all of that fight you are dense as hell. He held back a lot just to give himself time to try to talk him out of it. Vader didn't come off as badass in those scenes he came off a baby. He didn't like what they had to say so he choked them. Kylo also followed that suit. The only difference between Kylo and Vader is the amount of training they had. Vader who had much longer to learn to wield his anger properly showed huge weakness. And for good reason, the light side tugging at him stopped him from being able to fully master his dark power. he could never fully master his anger because the light side.
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angelious (01/01/2016) [-] yyeah...all that talking during the fight...y know right after that moment obi wan resigned into killing anakin...idiot.
and darth vader attacked people who either failed him, or were disrespectful to him. and vader actually DID master the dark side. he didnt reach his full potential because of his wounds caused by obi wan. but he became one of the strongest force users to exist by the end of it.
, keep grasping on those straws kid.
and darth vader attacked people who either failed him, or were disrespectful to him. and vader actually DID master the dark side. he didnt reach his full potential because of his wounds caused by obi wan. but he became one of the strongest force users to exist by the end of it.
, keep grasping on those straws kid.
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nyangiraffe (01/01/2016) [-] Obi Wan through the whole fight, even after he said he would kill him, continued to try to hold him off and talk him out of it. He believed that Anakin was still able to be pulled back to the light. And Vader obviously didn't master the dark side or he would not have turned towards the light in the end. Vader's weakness was his control. In the end Obi Wan was right, Anakin could be pulled back to the light. It took almost seeing his son die to do it. A master of the Dark is like Count Dooku, calm control of his rage, the ability to harness it in all of it's pure heat. Vader never had a chance to reach his full Dark potential because of his tug of war with the light side.
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angelious (01/01/2016) [-] vader did master the dark side, revan mastered the dark side. both of them came back to the light side. its rare but its not impossible.
and no...obi wan literally didnt say a word during the whole fight, until the end when it was clear he was going to win due to high ground advantage.
you really need to watch the movies before you flap your gums about it.
and no...obi wan literally didnt say a word during the whole fight, until the end when it was clear he was going to win due to high ground advantage.
you really need to watch the movies before you flap your gums about it.
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nyangiraffe (01/01/2016) [-] If you think that is mastery of the dark you really need to pay more attention, mastering the abilities is not the same as mastering the Force. He never had full grasp on all of his powers. The light stopped that. You really need to actually pay attention when you watch things, and take of the rose colored glasses for Vader. He had many flaws as a Sith and all of them were because he never truly reached his peak.
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angelious (01/01/2016) [-] he didnt reach his peak because of the injuries caused by being nearly burned to death by lava. live as you preach sherlock. he still had mastery over the dark side and was "tenfold stronger than his younger counterpart" and had it not been for his injuries, he would have grown to be stronger than sidious.
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nyangiraffe (01/01/2016) [-] You are obviously too dense to understand they are actually developing and growing this character in front of us instead of just handing us a badass. Vader's plan nver would have worked. Him keeping Luke alive ruined any plan he had to overthrow Palp. You are just too stuck up your own ass to ever understand. Enjoy your day.
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angelious (01/01/2016) [-] and you are too dense to understand that that also doesnt count for ******** .also you are too dense to seperate fiction from real life...and to understand how an engaging character is created.
a movie needs to be an entertaining piece on its own. and thus its characters need to be entertaining in THE MOVIE IN QUESTION. rather than in the far off future. kylo FAILED to be this. and no. darth vaders only hope of defeating sidious lied with making luke a stronger dark lord than sidious was.
and i will enjoy the rest of my day in peace then. i do hope you will enjoy sucking on Abrahams cock in the meantime.
a movie needs to be an entertaining piece on its own. and thus its characters need to be entertaining in THE MOVIE IN QUESTION. rather than in the far off future. kylo FAILED to be this. and no. darth vaders only hope of defeating sidious lied with making luke a stronger dark lord than sidious was.
and i will enjoy the rest of my day in peace then. i do hope you will enjoy sucking on Abrahams cock in the meantime.
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nyangiraffe (01/01/2016) [-] Kylo is still a child. He is not even a full part of the Sith yet, at the end of 7 he is just now going to finish his training. Kylo is the equivalent of a Sith padawan, Vader was a Sith Lord and acted as he did. Vader's plan was hugely flawed. As a Sith he should have known that his son was a huge liability to his control over the dark side. Kylo made a bigger step by killing his dad than Vader ever did. Vader decided to try to keep his weakness alive, which only made the pull to the light stronger. Kylo cut that tie off before it poisoned his chances of reaching his full power.
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angelious (01/01/2016) [-] and? again, THAT HAS ******** TO DO WITH HIS CHARACTER. he is a whiny brat. he is supposed to be the main villain of the movie. one of the stables to which the entire thing is built upon. but yet again he was neither sympathetic enough for us to feel bad about him. nor badass enough to make him a threatherning villain. he was just a brat. you trying to argue that he is younger than vader has nothing to do with his quality as a fictional character.
and as for the rest of your unnesesary gargling that literally has nothing to do with this; vaders only chance of defeating sidious lied with luke. without lukes help he would not be able to overpower and kill palp. while kylos decision to kill his father was instructed to him by his master. again, none of this has anything to do with the discussion at hand.
and as for the rest of your unnesesary gargling that literally has nothing to do with this; vaders only chance of defeating sidious lied with luke. without lukes help he would not be able to overpower and kill palp. while kylos decision to kill his father was instructed to him by his master. again, none of this has anything to do with the discussion at hand.
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nyangiraffe (01/01/2016) [-] And Guess what? Kylo solved his pull to the light. His father was what was pulling him to the light, why he couldn't gain control of his dark powers. He solved that. He has room to grow. Vader constantly let his pity towards his kids get in his way and in the end it is what drew him to the light. Kylo may at this moment still be weaker and in less control, but he took the step he needed to fully grow. Now that he is going to complete his training he will be able to gain his full power.
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angelious (01/01/2016) [-] which doesnt change that he is a shoddy character that acts like a brat.
and vader was constantly planning to get his kid to join the dark side in order to usurp the position of master from sidious and rule the galaxy himself. and even then; he came off as a lot more relatable and badass than kylo.well..just about any decently put together villain could do that tho...
and vader was constantly planning to get his kid to join the dark side in order to usurp the position of master from sidious and rule the galaxy himself. and even then; he came off as a lot more relatable and badass than kylo.well..just about any decently put together villain could do that tho...
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nyangiraffe (01/01/2016) [-] We are talking his peak mentally not physically. He could never reach his mental peak because of his fight mentally with the light. He never had a chance. His injuries had no effect on his link with the force.
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angelious (01/01/2016) [-] they did. most of his force powers were directed in helping him even fight properly. not to mention the wounds hampered with his connection to the force itself. force is after all BOTH PHYSICAL AND SPIRITUAL THING.
i also love how you went from arguing kylo ren being a badass to arguing that both kylo and vader were pussies to arguing obi wan never tried to truly kill anakin during their duel where he nearly killed him 3 times before leaving him to die via burning to death to "anakin never mastered the dark side"
goalposting much?
i also love how you went from arguing kylo ren being a badass to arguing that both kylo and vader were pussies to arguing obi wan never tried to truly kill anakin during their duel where he nearly killed him 3 times before leaving him to die via burning to death to "anakin never mastered the dark side"
goalposting much?
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Gandalfthewhite (12/31/2015) [-] Vader was also like 40 odd years old. I like to see Kylo as what vader would have been if he never had the unfortunate burning/cripple incident since anakin was as much of a whiney bitch as kylo before losing to Obi-Wan humbled him
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spoopyskeleton (12/30/2015) [-] I haven't seen star wars (ever) and your comment gave me cancer. I can tell from spoilers and what everyone is saying that he is meant to act like that. He isn't meant to be darth vader.
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itsapirateslife (12/30/2015) [-] > never saw star wars
> thinks his opinion about star wars is valid
> thinks his opinion about star wars is valid
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thumbfortrump (12/31/2015) [-] No **** . But the concept is the same. You can't say you something about x, if you haven't seen x.
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itsapirateslife (12/31/2015) [-] wether or not kylo ren is a darth vader wannabe or not is not even comparable to the question if china is real. If you're an engineer and I'm not and i start to give you 'tips' or my opinion on your calculations of course they don't mean **** , but everyone knows for a fact china is real. It's about specific vs. general. Your example is invalid.
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spoopyskeleton (12/31/2015) [-] Am I wrong though? Or are you just trying to find a way to ignore what im saying.
A character can have his own development. He doesn't need to be a clone of anyone else. People have flaws.
A character can have his own development. He doesn't need to be a clone of anyone else. People have flaws.
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itsapirateslife (12/31/2015) [-] If I wanted yo ignore what you're saying I'd just.. ignore what you're saying? Also what you said isn't even a reaction on what sgtxrootbeer said. He said Kylo is bad as a villain because he acts like a teenager hitting puberty. You react with saying 'this comment gives me cancer' and then say something that doesn't even contradict what sgtxrootbeer said, plus you haven't seen any star wars movie. what were you trying to achieve?
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spoopyskeleton (12/31/2015) [-] I don't need to disagree because acting like he's hit puberty isn't a bad thing, because it's his own character. And I got 11+ thumbs so people are obviously agreeing with me.
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itsapirateslife (12/31/2015) [-] That's the point, it IS his own character and sgtxrootbeer thinks his character is silly and a bad villain. So your remark about 'kylo isn't meant to be vader' shows you (and 11 not 11+ other people) completely missed the point.
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AreyouSerious (12/30/2015) [-] that's the point, Kylo is conflicted and trying to be something he's not. But Vader wasn't always calm, he choked out people who got under his skin
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sexyhimself ONLINE (12/30/2015) [-] It's almost like the character was designed to be like that or something.
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privileges (12/30/2015) [-] **privileges used "*roll picture*"**
**privileges rolled image**gee it's almost like they're setting him up for character development or something But seriously though, everything from the way he walked felt like he was an angsty teen because that's exactly what he was supposed to portray.
**privileges rolled image**gee it's almost like they're setting him up for character development or something But seriously though, everything from the way he walked felt like he was an angsty teen because that's exactly what he was supposed to portray.
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anon (12/30/2015) [-]
That's the point. he is supposed to start off as a ignorant kid that has no control. You're supposed to hate him. There are 2 more films for him to develop into a full blown sith with proper discipline. Why do you think he worships Vader? Because he wants to be like him and to be like something you have to be different first.
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vorarephilia 
(12/30/2015) [-] Even 20 years later, one of the main retirement packages for his officers is death by force. THIS basically counts as a disciplinary action for insulting a superior officer FFS.
Also, something i noticed very recently, when the admiral gets choked to death, the crew in the back never cared too much, However, his officers during this scene get the same look a dog gets when his abusive owner raises his hand.
I think that implies that while his angry outbursts may not be as dramatic as his grandson's, they are still very much there, and probably directed at the chain of command, not the walls.
it has been entirely too long since i last watched the original trilogy. forgot just how damn cool James Earl Jones sounds.
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Also, something i noticed very recently, when the admiral gets choked to death, the crew in the back never cared too much, However, his officers during this scene get the same look a dog gets when his abusive owner raises his hand.
I think that implies that while his angry outbursts may not be as dramatic as his grandson's, they are still very much there, and probably directed at the chain of command, not the walls.
it has been entirely too long since i last watched the original trilogy. forgot just how damn cool James Earl Jones sounds.
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akkere (12/30/2015) [-] You're overlooking quite a few things here.
Kylo Ren is still an apprentice, and not just in the context of rank; he's in no way ready to take on the same level of tasks that Vader was able to in the point of time that Episode IV and onward takes place in.
When Vader was an apprentice (i.e. as Anakin Skywalker), he had tons of hissy fits. He was incredibly shortsighted and thought his master and the Jedi Council were holding him back, and completely fell victim to his desire for affection from Padme instead of focusing on his necessary duties as a Padawan and later as a Jedi Knight. This is how Sidious was able to manipulate him into becoming Darth Vader in the first place, and this likely reflects how Snoke was able to manipulate Kylo Ren from being the son of super-good-guy Han Solo to apprentice of the dark side.
Kylo isn't a fully developed force user like Vader was in Ep IV. Judging from Snoke's final comment of having General Hux retrieve Kylo to "finish his training", it's quite likely in VIII we'll see a more matured, more powerful Kylo Ren that might prove to be a tougher opponent for the protagonists.
Kylo Ren is still an apprentice, and not just in the context of rank; he's in no way ready to take on the same level of tasks that Vader was able to in the point of time that Episode IV and onward takes place in.
When Vader was an apprentice (i.e. as Anakin Skywalker), he had tons of hissy fits. He was incredibly shortsighted and thought his master and the Jedi Council were holding him back, and completely fell victim to his desire for affection from Padme instead of focusing on his necessary duties as a Padawan and later as a Jedi Knight. This is how Sidious was able to manipulate him into becoming Darth Vader in the first place, and this likely reflects how Snoke was able to manipulate Kylo Ren from being the son of super-good-guy Han Solo to apprentice of the dark side.
Kylo isn't a fully developed force user like Vader was in Ep IV. Judging from Snoke's final comment of having General Hux retrieve Kylo to "finish his training", it's quite likely in VIII we'll see a more matured, more powerful Kylo Ren that might prove to be a tougher opponent for the protagonists.
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hellomynameisbill ONLINE (12/30/2015) [-] Well, when Kylie gets mad, he slashes up a wall or two.
When Darth Vader gets mad, he strangles one of his officers to death.
I think Kylo Ren has overall better anger management strategies.
When Darth Vader gets mad, he strangles one of his officers to death.
I think Kylo Ren has overall better anger management strategies.
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woofman (12/30/2015) [-] Well maybe they'll turn that around. Actual spoiler -> Towards the end, that wrinkly reject of a Mass effect male asari, did mention that his training wasn't complete, so maybe he didn't have full control over his emotions? So when he does complete his training, he'll be more direct in his anger. Like striking better, increasing his abilities too. Instead of thrashing about like a pissed off honeybadger.
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sgtxrootbeer (12/30/2015) [-] Hopefully, as Kylo is currently worse then our favorite tr8-or clone trooper
non-spoiler > tr8-or beats "Fin's" ass, and "Fin" can handle himself in a fight against kylo, therefore tr8-or>"Fin">kylo, or tr8-or>kylo
this may flop more then the prequels did if Disney failed to make this new guy a proper villain.
non-spoiler > tr8-or beats "Fin's" ass, and "Fin" can handle himself in a fight against kylo, therefore tr8-or>"Fin">kylo, or tr8-or>kylo
this may flop more then the prequels did if Disney failed to make this new guy a proper villain.
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Ruspanic (12/30/2015) [-] Kylo Ren seems to be the humanized, flawed villain whose character who's meant to undergo some character development as the movies progress, just like a protagonist would. It's not inconceivable that he could change sides because it's been established that "there's still good in him". That's why it was somewhat surprising what he did when he faced his father - we didn't actually know what to expect.
I don't know if he's meant to be the main villain of the trilogy - I think that may be Snoke.
I don't know if he's meant to be the main villain of the trilogy - I think that may be Snoke.
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sgtmajjohnson (12/30/2015) [-] Finn didn't really handle himself against Kylo, though. He got his ass kicked despite Kylo's severe wounds from a bowcaster shot straight to the gut. We saw the thing fling people through the air and kill multiple stormtroopers with one shot, so the fact that he tanked it makes him pretty tough. Finn still only lightly wounded Kylo Ren before being laid out. Rey beat him.
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itsapirateslife (12/30/2015) [-] kylo got blasted in the crotch before the fight, wasn't very fair. He woul'dve rekt finn. He also didn't even use the force vs finn
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chaosraptor (12/30/2015) [-] its disney
be happy they didnt have characters randomly break out into song a dozen times in the movie
be happy they didnt have characters randomly break out into song a dozen times in the movie
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chaosraptor (12/31/2015) [-] **chaosraptor used "*roll 1, Magic 8-Ball*"**
**chaosraptor rolls Don't count on it**
does artjunk want a fairy wish prince
**chaosraptor rolls Don't count on it**
does artjunk want a fairy wish prince
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asasqw ONLINE (12/30/2015) [-] The little **** is strong with the force, but lacks the control it takes to be a Jedi, and isn't passionate enough to be Sith. That being said proper Jedi died out in episode 3 and Luke sure as hell isn't one He used blind rage to beat Vader, even if Vader was holding back
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asasqw ONLINE (12/30/2015) [-] Not a proper Jedi, even when he remade the Jedi order in the original cannon or Legends of whatever the **** it was still massively different, it wasn't emotionless sexless monks anymore Hell even Luke himself ended up somewhere in the grey Jedi area like Reven, mainly since he had no idea what he was doing since he got about a week's worth of training with yoda
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angelious (12/30/2015) [-] and the jedi order that yoda and such were part of was also highly different from the original concept as it was rebuilt by exar kun after it nearly fell due to the rebellion caused by the revanites that went to fight againts the mandalorians...but i do agree that introducing emotions back might be a bad idea for jedis...
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asasqw ONLINE (12/30/2015) [-] Oh yeah it went real **** real quick for about 40% of his students but the other 60% where arguably more powerful than their republic equivalents. Reven was able to master both sides of the force making him one of the most powerful force users period hell in the arguably competent MMO there is a side quest where you infiltrate a cult to him trying to do exactly what he did, and there ******* bad asses.
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angelious (12/30/2015) [-] i recall that.i destroyed the cult with imperial agent. and are we talking about revans army?(all except one guy went to the dark side, all except two came out) or lukes? and yeah. revan was the strongest jedi to ever live, as well as pretty much in the top 3 or 5 force users ever
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alucardhell (12/31/2015) [-] That is kinda the point, Kylo is someone who as idealized someone who he never met because he lived during a different time and doesn't understand the things that made that person have this legend. Vader was terrifying because he was calm and powerful with someone over him (who is in theory more powerful).
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anon (12/30/2015) [-]
Anakin was a angsty teenager, he had plenty of years to be vader between the 3rd and the 4th movie to grow up to be a truly evil sith. also i think anakins misfortunes naturally steared him towards the darkside.
Kylo ren i think is a apprentice who was promised great power in the empire because he is a descendant of vader. and after he was convinced about the darkside got stuck and is torn apart because he cannot return from murdering all the other apprentices. So now his just pushing to be vader, but is frustrated and afraid because he cant reach his true potential because hes still fighting out from the light side.
Kylo ren i think is a apprentice who was promised great power in the empire because he is a descendant of vader. and after he was convinced about the darkside got stuck and is torn apart because he cannot return from murdering all the other apprentices. So now his just pushing to be vader, but is frustrated and afraid because he cant reach his true potential because hes still fighting out from the light side.
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itsapirateslife (12/30/2015) [-] No he's not trying to be like vader because vader saw 'the light side' again in the end. He kills everything that ties him to the light side to prevent that. He's trying to avoid doing the same thing as vader, exact opposite of trying to be him. imo
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itsapirateslife (12/31/2015) [-] It was Rey. She told him he'd never be as STRONG as vader which is a big difference. It doesn't mean he wants to be everything vader is, vader had his flaws. He just wanted to be on the same level of power, without the tendecy to eventually turn away from the dark side again actual spoiler> which is illustrated by him killing han, showing he wants to completely cut his ties with his 'light side' And of course he got mad/threw a tantrum. Rey, some jakku scavenger ho, owned him at his own force technique, and told him he'd never reach that power he wants.
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itsapirateslife (12/31/2015) [-] Vader doesn't kill luke (his tie to the light side), and eventually sides with him (at the very very end). actual spoiler > Kylo kills han to prevent being like vader. He still admires vader for his power though.
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schindewolforch (12/31/2015) [-] not a pro but I think that was the goal of his charecter.
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thumbfortrump (12/30/2015) [-]
Gee, it's not like Anakin ever acted like a little bitch or anything.
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ireallylikepotatoe (12/30/2015) [-] The first time Kylo had a fit I thought it was quite cool. Like he was full of rage and was a dangerous person to be around
Then he took off the ******* mask and you realised he was just an angsty teenager going through puberty
Then he took off the ******* mask and you realised he was just an angsty teenager going through puberty
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wowxreally (12/31/2015) [-] thats was not meant to be taken serious. it was supposed to be a joke
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ghostninjaguy (12/30/2015) [-] Not yet, she may leave that armor in episode 8 so she can go kill Rey
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faggotville (12/30/2015) [-] But spinny guy did things. Sorry but Bobba Fett only did things in the EU, in the movies he literally did nothing until he died. he barely put up a fight
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uglychino (12/30/2015) [-] Even George Lucas Hates this movie. Said he sold it to white slavers. I just love it. Glad I didn't pay for **** .
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phantompaladin (12/30/2015) [-] **phantompaladin used "*roll picture*"**
**phantompaladin rolled image**i wanna do the thing with julie
**phantompaladin rolled image**i wanna do the thing with julie
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pistachioofdoom (12/31/2015) [-] I just watched it. Spoiler: did he really almost lose a lightsaber duel to a stormtrooper? Like, really?
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doggifseveryday (12/31/2015) [-] yes, and: the movie established how much of a boom chewies bowcaster makes (rip tr-8r), and just before the lightsaber fight chewie hits kylo square in the chest. notice how he still stands, and even punches his wound to feel more pain, because by rens logic, pain = dark side. basically, kylo ren was ****** up. That and he was almost toying with finn, with rey its that he had even more injuries and was pissed the **** off.
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zeebeejeebee (12/31/2015) [-] anyone else have a moment in the theatre where they finally show his face, and then people in the audience laugh because he kinda looks reatarded?
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youngneil ONLINE (12/30/2015) [-] I just realized Lemongrab's voice is familiar to me, so I googled it and he's voiced by Justin Roiland. Neat.
Dude that co-created Rick and Morty and voices Rick and Morty.
Dude that co-created Rick and Morty and voices Rick and Morty.
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bendingtimeisgood ONLINE (12/30/2015) [-] Oh my god. He's also Blendin on Gravity Falls.
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bendingtimeisgood ONLINE (12/30/2015) [-] If you like dark humor and/or surreal imagery, it's great.
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IHaveADHD (12/31/2015) [-] Just saw this movie. THE **** WAS THAT HOVER TRACTOR?! overall I was okay with it, never saw any of the other ones in their entirety, a few parody's aside but I enjoy the FJ content about it a lot more. And honestly even without it being spoiled I would have seen Hans death coming the second he stepped out onto that Black Mesa-esque catwalk.
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dragontamers (12/31/2015) [-] You didn't know that before the movie even finished filming? Back story. Ford and one of the head writers wanted to kill Han in Ep VI
