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User avatar #57 - RoyalNightmare (07/25/2013) [-]
It's people who say things like this, riddled with pseudo-socio remarks, that make things harder for women, not just feminists. We don't expect you as men to tailor the world to suit our preferences. What we expect, is for people to be goddamn decent human beings; Feminists are just more aggressive about this belief. When a woman is raped or mugged, it's rarely by another woman. It's not really a stretch to be wary.

In the same vein, men also complain about women harboring the "Shroedinger's Rapist" belief, which for those who don't know, is the preconceived caution that any man could be a rapist, so be careful at all times. Well guess what? It's true. And any woman could be a serial killer, or arsonist. People in the U.S. with open-carry permits to carry a gun probably aren't doing it for a fashion statement. It's protection. Against the unknown. Not our fault if we want to feel protected as well.

We are more than capable of carving our desired life in this world, but when every feminist is viewed through the lens as a femi-nazi, it makes it harder. At the end of the day, men and women of every color and creed have SOME sort of bias/issue running for them in life. Men like this /pol/ poster just make a joke out of ours.

Tl:dr; Just because you can't understand someone's plight, doesn't give you the right to step on it. You have your own things that society will push you for, and you sure as hell don't want people treating that like it's nothing.
User avatar #68 to #57 - redblueyellow ONLINE (07/25/2013) [-]
I understand your point about being a decent human being. However, I get the impression that with "we" you only mean women. But all people expect others to be decent human beings, not just women.

I fail to see the points of your other arguments however.
The protection against the unknown can also be applied to men. It is true that it is mostly men who rape and steal from women, but that can not be held against all of the male population.

I do not mean to ridicule or otherwise affect you in a negative way, but I fail see the point you are trying to make in favor of feminist/women or against this poster. If you want to I'd gladly listen to your explanation.
User avatar #69 to #68 - RoyalNightmare (07/25/2013) [-]
I thank you for your courtesy. The protection argument I was making, was that just like women, men are afraid of the unknown. Muggings, for example. I was saying that men/women don't carry guns for ***** and giggles, and that it was most likely for protection. I'm not saying all men are muggers, because we know that's not true. But what is true, is that enough people are muggers for both men AND women to feel the need to protect themselves. (Carried weapon/pepper spray/etc).

I'm not saying only women expect people to be decent, or that only women have to worry about rapes and muggings and whatnot. I was trying to say that we have a reason to have these cautions, as well as pointing out that we aren't the only ones, since men clearly share the same cautions.
User avatar #71 to #69 - redblueyellow ONLINE (07/25/2013) [-]
Okay then I understood correctly.

However, I then do not get why you bring up these arguments here, for this post. To me, your arguments seem ike they are not really in favor of the feminist the post describes, but rather for all decent people. I understand your need to defend the feminist believes, but that is not needed here. This post merely makes fun of the overly hard-core feminist whom no one takes very seriously. I admit I liked this post because it was aimed at those zealously feminists and I do not like that group because they make me feel as if I'm wrong for just being a man.
However, the group you most likely want to defend, the normal decent feminists, is not ridiculed here. That is mainly why I didn't understand your arguments at first, because you were (I think) defending the decent feminists, while those are not adressed here.

If you are such a feminist (the decent ones) then I understand that you want to post your initial argument to defend your beliefs. However, it is not needed here because that group is not the subject of this joke. The people on this site that do not realize that are not worth the trouble of convincing them.
User avatar #62 to #57 - timmywankenobi (07/25/2013) [-]
Funny Cause stepping on mens plights is feminist favorite past time. also lesbians have higher rape rates then everyone execpt black men in detroit. but yes when a woman is raped 65% it is a man, but whan a child is raped 68% of the time it is a woman. so things are not as stacked against women as feminists make it seem they want women to feel afraid and weak so they will flock and beg for protection . then the feminists who's leader hate men wil say "it's all those damn mens fault"
User avatar #66 to #62 - RoyalNightmare (07/25/2013) [-]
Well, that's not really funny. And it's not a "favourite past time" at all. The overzealous feminists are the ones that you decide to pay the most attention to, because they're the loudest and the most ridiculous. And instead of looking at the actual majority who are level headed, you think that we're all lunatic man haters.

And things are in fact, as "stacked against us" as we believe. Because do you know what? We don't think the whole world is out to get us. We are aware that there are good and bad people, and that society doesn't view us, as a whole, as an empowered, capable demographic.
User avatar #70 to #66 - timmywankenobi (07/25/2013) [-]
the vast majority of feminists are not the one in charge they are the sheeple that just parrot talking points and do nothing. almost all of the ones in charge hate men to varying degrees. Feminists claim things are against them but when I ask for clear examples the give me **** like ugly men are allowed to glance at my breasts thats objectification and opression. Compaired to the **** most men have to deal with that is nothing. but feminists insist being a man is all rainbows and butterflies. you have to empower yourself as a indivdual not as a cult group as long as you cling to feminisim like a scared sheep you will never be empowered because you never stand on your own as men are forced to do from day ******* 1. girls are papered and told they are princesses, men are told live is hard and unfair so you just have to be harder and people are going to be ******** on you your whole life and you just have to take.girls are told to express them selves and talk about their problems amnd some one wil fix them. man arer told to keep thier pain and problems deep inside and never talk about them, men are told you have to work hard to gain anything. girls are told if you pretty enough or cleaver enough you can have anything you want given to you. Boy and girls are given different standards from day one boy get nature and girls get nurture.
User avatar #61 to #57 - Cartouk (07/25/2013) [-]
But thats not nearly as fun as making fun of women.
User avatar #63 to #61 - RoyalNightmare (07/25/2013) [-]
It's always easier to make fun of something than understand it. (Veganism, for example.) If this was a lighthearted joke, I probably wouldn't care. "Wanna hear a joke? Women's Rights!" I remember the first time I heard that, I actually laughed. Jokes are fine, but this person seemed to be legitimately undermining and insulting women's rights. When it goes from joke to actual attack, that's when it should stop being funny.
User avatar #95 to #63 - timmywankenobi (07/25/2013) [-]
not womens rights "feminisim" they are two different things.
User avatar #65 to #63 - Cartouk (07/25/2013) [-]
Inb4 *********
WHO THE **** CARES YOU'RE OPINION WON'T CAHNGE ANYTHING
User avatar #67 to #65 - RoyalNightmare (07/25/2013) [-]
Honestly, you're probably right. In the end, it's just my opinion, and I'm only one voice. I don't think that I can change anything on my own, but I at least want to share these things, so that we aren't all permanently lumped together as pseudo-dominatrix man haters.
User avatar #98 to #67 - timmywankenobi (07/25/2013) [-]
you cant fix it because the group that is feminisim has been tainted to the core . it is like trying to eat a rotten apple because the skin is intact even tough the inside is rotten. likr ras al ghoul said about gotham "it is beyond saving, it is wrotten to the core,it must be allow to destroy it self ,we are simply aiding the process."
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