do you understand that if the government took away guns from citizens, they would do so by some sort of systematic purge of guns, they could only do this by seeing where guns are registered and by who....this means that the only people who have guns will be those whom obtain said guns illegally. (93% of gun related crimes are committed by illegally obtained firearms) most gun owners (like me) are very responsible and take their shit seriously. also shooting guns is a very fun hobby and sport. rant over, bring on the red sea.

Like what I say: It's not a gun control issue, It's an idiot control issue.

and how do we prevent the idiots from getting the guns?

Stop giving guns to idiots. 99% of LEGAL gun owners are responsible citizens that just want to defend themselves but then you have that 1% that clearly shouldn't be allowed to own a gun. Do you know why it seems like there are so many gun problems? All the responsible gun owners are the kind of people that you wouldn't even know are carrying a gun. The idiots are the ones that get all the attention. There's just a small minority of retards that don't know how to control their self.

again, how do we keep the idiots from getting the guns? a weapon is a weapon, even if the majority are of sound mind to own one. the fact remains that the policies and rules to get a gun are not working and unstable and idiotic citizens are sill able to get a hold of one pretty freaking easily. regardless of how small this group of people are, they are still causing problems, and we can not sit by and let them. stricter gun control must be enacted

No. What does gun control effectively do? It will make the law abiding citizens unarmed, right? Do you know who tends to not care if they're allowed to carry a firearm or not? Criminals. People that don't care about the consequences and are willing to go to jail carry the guns illegally. Gun ownership is the single greatest deterrent of violent crimes. Do you know what happened in every state after their handgun bans were lifted? Murder rates went down. I have links if you want to see them. I see what you're saying in that we can't have these mentally unstable people having guns but the thing is gun control laws being what they are are actually PREVENTING law abiding citizens from owning guns. Meanwhile the majority of the mentally deficient gun owners are just going to purchase illegal guns if they're really that unstable.

gun control does not necessarily mean denying an innocent citizen the right to defend themselves in whatever case they need to. gun control mean just that, more rigorous background checks, stricter tests, and stuff like that. innocent people will not have to worry about those, if they really are innocent and of sound mind, and will still be able to defend themselves. if you want to play the statistics card, then i can say a high percentage of deaths was gun related and that there is a relationship between gun ownership and gun homicide, showing that statistics rely on way too many variables that are not calculated into the stuidies

The problem is that there are already lost of people getting denied firearms permits that legally pass all requirements. A high percentage of deaths are by guns but it's usually from a criminal going after an unarmed citizen that puts up a struggle and gets killed because of it. And yes there is a relationship between gun ownership and homicide. The more armed citizens you have the fewer innocent victims there are. What are these variables that you're talking about?
And lastly, beyond the whole argument of whether or not guns are a good idea it's your CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO OWN THEM and it's being infringed upon. It's ridiculous.

again leave the constitutional argument out of this. the goal of gun control is not to take guns away, it is to restrict access to them, particularly to unstable citizens. all i am getting across is that it is far too easy to get a gun from somewhere, whether it be by a common store or flea market. zimmerman and the other "idiots" you mentioned can readily get access to them and stricter rules need to be enacted so that this does not happen. if you are really innocent, you should not have to worry about it

You're still not solving any problems. You're worrying about people legally owning guns when you should be worried about the vast majority of people committing crimes with illegally owned guns. What needs to happen is we need to stop the movement of illegal weapons and stop worrying so much about restricting access to legally owned firearms. It really doesn't matter what kind of laws you enact people will ALWAYS find a way to get a gun if they want it. Look at the prohibition of alcohol. Did restricting legal access to alcohol stop people from drinking? No. Did the war on drugs stop people from doing weed, coke, meth, crack, heroin, or any other completely banned substance? No. My point is that restricting legal access to something that can be obtained illegally is pointless. People always find a way.

I meant *lots* not lost

Stricter gun control won't stop criminals from getting guns, and will only hurt responsible, LEGAL gun owners.

Thank you. I can't stand when people opt for stricter gun control that won't do anything but raise murder rates. Gun control DOESN'T WORK!

Exactly. Yet no matter how many times you explain that to supporters of strict gun control, they always come up with the same reason: "To stop criminals and killers from getting guns." It's easier to get a gun illegally than it is legally, and that's exactly what criminals will do. Not to mention illegally purchased guns are harder to trace.

Yeah I've done a lot of research on the topic and the facts are 100% indisputable. Gun control hurts America.

Same here, every time I had to write a paper in school, topic of our choice, I would pick gun control. S&W M&P45C ftw, by the way.

Beretta 92. My all time favorite weapon.
Although I'm not a big fan of the silver plating. I like the flat black way better.

Good gun, but I prefer larger caliber rounds. More stopping power, but less penetration.

If you're aiming properly (the head) It only takes one bullet.
Just remember that a dead man can't testify in court.

that is the murdererest thing i've ever heard. keep on shining brother

Lol. Well as far as I'm concerned I would never want to kill someone but with the court system the way it is you do have a chance of going to jail for legally defending yourself. I figure If I'm attacked by an armed person I'm legally better off killing them.

Yeah, but if you're being attacked, you don't always have time to get a perfect shot. To each his own though. So long as you like guns, I approve.