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master Jedi and pilot like Luke Skywalker
hair and general appearance like Leia. Also strong willed and good with a blaster rifle
rs incredibly force sensitive. almost as if both of her parents were from Jedi bloodline
born roughly around the same time as the battle of Endor. since no specific dates or ages are given in The Force Awakens
her parents abandoned her on a desert planet out of shame
Rey is the incest baby of Luke and Leia before they realized they were siblings.
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User avatar #5 - voltkills ONLINE (12/24/2015) [-]
TFA is set 30 years after endor, rey doesnt look 30.
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User avatar #125 to #5 - icedragon (12/25/2015) [-]
I thought it was 40 years?
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User avatar #6 to #5 - ohemgeezus [OP]ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
Yeah, it's wrong. She's 19/20
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User avatar #11 to #6 - billyblooper (12/25/2015) [-]
5/7
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User avatar #39 to #26 - bigswingingrichard (12/25/2015) [-]
I still haven't figured it out or saw the original. Explain please?
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#40 to #39 - gmshini (12/25/2015) [-]
the 5/7 thing? This is one of many pictures



Link is gallery of the whole thing
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User avatar #42 to #41 - bigswingingrichard (12/25/2015) [-]
Thanks man, I'm like a fifth less retarded now.
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#45 to #42 - gmshini (12/25/2015) [-]
I think you're 5/7th less.
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User avatar #44 to #41 - bigswingingrichard (12/25/2015) [-]
Holy **** thats gold man, thanks.
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User avatar #94 to #40 - cheddarcheesestick (12/25/2015) [-]
this guy makes me very upset
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#134 to #40 - anon (12/25/2015) [-]
This isn't funny to me... Seeing it everywhere is like spam.
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#143 to #134 - anon (12/25/2015) [-]
Yeah, I'd only give the meme like 4/7 or so.
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#7 to #5 - anon (12/25/2015) [-]
Fine. She's their incest baby AFTER they realized they were siblings.
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#3 - nanglo (12/24/2015) [-]
**** yes.
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User avatar #142 to #3 - suchusername (12/25/2015) [-]
Spoilers: It would make sense that Kylo ren was Lukes and Leias son because he is half retarded
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#104 to #3 - echsa ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
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User avatar #43 to #3 - kciwtsob (12/25/2015) [-]
Its also twincest
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#4 to #3 - ohemgeezus [OP]ONLINE (12/24/2015) [-]
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User avatar #127 to #4 - AreyouSerious ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
through the whole series he's like, "I'm just a smuggler, man, I don't need this **** ."
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#109 to #4 - anon (12/25/2015) [-]
MY SIDES
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User avatar #122 to #4 - ogthegreat (12/25/2015) [-]
Goddamn, this was the wrong time to be drinking milk.
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User avatar #74 to #4 - wrpen (12/25/2015) [-]
whats that soundtrack from?
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#76 to #74 - daveprodigy (12/25/2015) [-]
Kill Bill I believe
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#82 to #76 - anon (12/25/2015) [-]
It's originally from a 1967 show called Ironside, but yeah, Kill Bill popularized it in recent years.
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#13 - SuperWeapons (12/25/2015) [-]
Nope. Mara Jade.
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#18 to #13 - LarsGoes (12/25/2015) [-]
Nothing you nerds think you "know" is canon anymore. It's the movies and nothing else. No fan-fiction. altough they COULD have just also excluded EP1 from the canon too...
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User avatar #20 to #18 - ohemgeezus [OP]ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
Also the 2 animated tv shows, clone wars and Rebels are canon, as well as some books/comic books
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#152 to #20 - michaelrock (12/25/2015) [-]
**michaelrock used "*roll picture*"**
**michaelrock rolled image**So if clone wars are canon wouldn't that mean that Darth maul is still alive somewhere?
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User avatar #153 to #152 - ohemgeezus [OP]ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
It would, unless they kill him off in Rebels(I don't know if that show is still going on or not), otherwise he could come back in episode 8/9, unlikely though.
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#154 to #153 - michaelrock (12/25/2015) [-]
if that happens i can die happily
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User avatar #155 to #154 - ohemgeezus [OP]ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
I would really love to see him again and Ray Park(the guy that played him in ep 1) expressed his desire to play him again
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User avatar #128 to #18 - icedragon (12/25/2015) [-]
Only the "expanded universe" from after the 6th movie has been deemed no longer cannon. I believe that content is only books, which sucks because there's a ton of books about after the 6th movie.
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User avatar #98 to #18 - huntergriff ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
they're bringing stuff from the old canon into the new canon too. they even said that day one. In fact, and as an example, Rakata prime (From KOTOR) is canon now since it shows up in a map of the galaxy for the visual guide to the force awakens.
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User avatar #114 to #98 - eklipsbrate (12/25/2015) [-]
I still hate how Ren is using almost the same mask as Revan
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User avatar #29 to #18 - SuperWeapons (12/25/2015) [-]
I have disowned Disney from ownership of the Star Wars franchise after i saw what atrocities they committed in episode VII. I prefer the 300 books that were written by dedicated authors more than this new movie.
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User avatar #93 to #29 - angelusprimus (12/25/2015) [-]
Yeah because of good quality stuff like Glove of Darth Vader, Planet of Twilight, and entire series about Space Orcs with idiotic ending is something that is so superior.
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User avatar #156 to #93 - SuperWeapons (12/25/2015) [-]
Have you even read the books about star killer? Or the yuuzhan vong war? Or the new book series that was going to be awesome because they discovered a long lost world full of sith? Or even the ones with Solo children fighting against each other? Or the X-Wing series with wedge Antilles and them all?
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User avatar #158 to #156 - angelusprimus (12/26/2015) [-]
There are no books about Star killer, I am guessing you meant Star Crusher, and yes I did. Star crusher is one of the most horrible deus ex machines ever written. Parts of those books were good but Luke's uber ultra Mary Sue apprentice and uber ultra indestructivle superweapon were HORRIBLE,
And I just mentioned Space Orcs. That entire series, Yuuzhan Vong was BAD. And ending... seriously, a species that made war to entire galaxy with thousands of panets quadriliions of beings... can comfortably fit on ONE planet. GAWD that was bad. And the attempts to revrite the force and the jedi into something libertarian were pathetic.
Another lost sith were a bad plot device. Last series was pretty good, but nothing to be thrilled about.
X-Wing series, both squadrons were totally awesome, which is why it would have stayed mostly canon if Lawson didn't refuse to come back to Star Wars, so were Thrawn Trilogy and some other things, but more than half of the old extended universe sucked balls.
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#159 to #158 - SuperWeapons (12/30/2015) [-]
I agree with the Yuuzhan Vong (other than the parts with the solos).
Star Killer. He had a couple books and two video games made after him. Thats where the rebels got their crest from. IMO he was like one of the best parts of the universe.
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User avatar #160 to #159 - angelusprimus (12/30/2015) [-]
That's Starkiller, one word.
First game was great, and then everything good they did with it they completely messed up with unnecessary and stupid second game.
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User avatar #14 to #13 - ohemgeezus [OP]ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
She's non-canon
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User avatar #15 to #14 - SuperWeapons (12/25/2015) [-]
The new movie has disapointed me, and i have disowned it.
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User avatar #47 to #15 - alexdelooze (12/25/2015) [-]
Disown all you like, you don't own any rights to star wars like the rest of us, so nobody but disney gets a say in anything
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User avatar #157 to #47 - SuperWeapons (12/25/2015) [-]
I just cant stand what they did to the characters in the new movie. Especially with how JJ Abrams explained why it had to happen that way, because what he said what the events were supposed to make you understand and feel did quite a poor way of doing it. SPOILER collider.com/star-wars-the-force-awakens-kylo-ren-scene-jj-abrams/ explicitly talking about how he said that Han's death was supposed to make kylo ren's character more filled. I dont know about you but I haven't seen **** for character development in that movie except for thrashing about. I havnt read the new cannon books that went before this movie and maybe they would solve this problem, but I feel like that there barly is any link between 6 and 7. "They need to fight the remnants of the empire." That doesnt explain anything. I really wish they would have made a movie that links this to 6 instead of going head on into a movie that has no prior setting that makes sense.
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#132 to #15 - cockandballz (12/25/2015) [-]
You never owned it in the first place you ******* .
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#65 to #14 - urapooper ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
how is she non-canon I don't remember being told who Luke mated with to produce Rey in the movies.
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User avatar #66 to #65 - ohemgeezus [OP]ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
It'll probably be revealed in the next movie as the big "wowzers" plot twist, but she's labeled as Legends on the Wiki, so unless Papa Disney says otherwise she's non-canon
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User avatar #161 to #65 - angelusprimus (12/30/2015) [-]
Lawrence Kassadan, writer of Empire strikes back and Episode VII said he found an "emperor's assassin that falls in love with a hero" a horrible cliche.
Since he is main writer of a new trilogy i'm going to say its pretty safe they won't be using her.
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#1 - swbite (12/24/2015) [-]
I buy it
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User avatar #2 - iamnuff ONLINE (12/24/2015) [-]
Man, I'd ******* love it if that was canon.
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User avatar #33 - Viceroy (12/25/2015) [-]
If that turned out to be true then it would completely make up for the stupid amount of plot armor they gave her in the film.
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#8 - anon (12/25/2015) [-]
Is also an utterly ridiculous mary sue. Spoilers ahead.
Good at literally everything, piloting starships with no previous experience, kills >5 stormtroopers her first time shooting a blaster without a single shot in return, uses Jedi mind trick at a higher level than Obi-Wan despite having no idea how or what a Jedi mind trick even is, beats a Sith who was trained by Luke (and possibly Snoke as well) in a duel her first time ever using a lightsaber (though he was injured, it's still retarded). Loved by EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER IN THE MOVIE, INCLUDING THE VILLAIN. Even Anakin wasn't pulling this kind of **** , and he was supposed to be a prophecied 'Chosen One' who had absurd Force potential. I can't believe there are people thinking Rey is a good character.
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#9 to #8 - karvarausku (12/25/2015) [-]
**karvarausku used "*roll picture*"**
**karvarausku rolled image** Anons rant is true...

Those things pissed me off pretty much too.
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User avatar #10 to #9 - ohemgeezus [OP]ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
A lot of it is wrong, though.
She is an experienced pilot, but not a good one, hence how much trouble she had piloting the Falcon at first
Her mind trick isn't higher than Obis, it's not even close to his level. He specialized in it, it took her 2-3 tries in order to work it
She knew of Jedi stuff, but until Han she always thought they were just stories, so I'm sure she does know what the mind trick it
Really the only people that didn't like Ani in the prequels was Obi(In ep 1) and Mace(1-3). They both disliked/distrusted him because he's emotional, arrogant, which they didn't consider him to be the Chosen One because when you here someone going to bring balance to the force you think he's going to follow the rules and be the poster boy for the Jedi
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User avatar #55 to #10 - Viceroy (12/25/2015) [-]
Tell me. Do you, off the top of your head, know the difference in turn ratio between a Vespa Scooter, and a Harley Davidson Motorcycle? Imagine what it must be like to fly a spaceship you've never flown before, that was meant to be flown by two people, doing incredibly tight turns turns between a maze of fallen ships.
Also, two or three tries to make the mind trick work, as opposed to the years of training and practice other Jedi go through to learn it. Rey had plot armor up the ass and the movie made no apologies for it.
And this is coming from someone who loved Episode VII. I even think Rey is a good character despite her plot armor. But her plot armor is there, and it's glaringly irritating.
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User avatar #64 to #55 - ohemgeezus [OP]ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
Meant to be flown by two people, not required. I never said her plot armor isn't stupid, but being from a most likely Skywalker family her connection to the Force is stronger than anything.
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#84 to #64 - anon (12/25/2015) [-]
By that same logic Kylo Ren should have been on above equal grounds with her because A: he's related to the same people (if she is a skywalker), and B: he had actual, legitimate training by at least one master.

Also, Luke, who was a direct descendant of the strongest force - user, had to train for years to even be able to use the force correctly and well (he had trouble even summoning his lightsaber at first). Kylo Ren could stop a ******* laser and hold someone in stasis. There is no logical reason why, when they were fighting over the lightsaber, that Rey could have possibly one. I don't care that he was injured, it just doesn't make any sense.

Beyond her plot given flying skills, her ability as a scavenger somehow gives her the ability to be a ship mechanic which means she automatically knows any kind of ship. Even if she had good reason to know how a random freighter worked, she did it too many times with different kinds of ships. It's like saying "I know how to take apart a car, so I can take apart a plane, tank, or ship", which is beyond stupid. Also, she's supposedly been on Jakku all her life (or just about), so she'd have no reason to understand how to mess with hyper drives.

They literally just made her a mary-sue. I felt like I was watching bad fanfiction turned into a movie. Granted, the movie was fun to watch and had good effects, but the plot was **** .
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User avatar #73 to #55 - greyhoundfd (12/25/2015) [-]
It's not plot armor. Do you remember the plant from the hut she was living in? It's onscreen briefly, but it's important. It's a sapling from a tree in the Jedi Temple, and it creates and enhances force-sensitives. She's been living in close-proximity with the thing for years. Even most Jedi might only visit it occasionally. Her force abilities will naturally be stronger than anything else.
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User avatar #87 to #73 - Viceroy (12/25/2015) [-]
All I keep hearing is "It's because the force is strong with her."
You can't just use it as an excuse for every inexplicable thing about her. The Force didn't teach her to fix spaceships she's never been on, nor how to fly them with hairpin accuracy and timing, or how door controls work on Han's substitute ship.
I won't go so far to say she's covered in plot armor, and I wouldn't put it past her knowing the mind trick because the force, but ship flying and lightsaber combat are a different matter. Many times in various stories they talk about training in swordsmanship. If the force works the way people tell me, they shouldn't have to practice at all, just let the force do everything. She shouldn't be able to fly like that, shouldn't be able to fix things like that, and shouldn't be able to handle a lightsaber against a trained Dark Jedi. It's annoying because she's supposed to be a parallel of Luke. Luke, who couldn't save Obi-Wan in the first movie. Luke, who's arrogance cost him his arm and the loss of Han Solo. He had to fight. For Rey, the Force does the fighting for her.
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User avatar #92 to #87 - greyhoundfd (12/25/2015) [-]
In regards to her mechanical skill and piloting abilities, that's probably because they're trying to draw a parallel between her and Anakin, who was a naturally good pilot. She had experience with a speeder, Anakin with a racer. She masters the Millennium Falcon, Anakin quickly masters an equally advanced starfighter and destroys a major base with it.

In regards to her swordsmanship, she's had a bo staff with her the entire movie until she picks up a sword. Now, the skill certainly isn't transferable, but it's reasonable to assume that if she's learned how to use that she has enough martial experience to defeat the whiny emo teenager who is by no means a dark Jedi. Kylo Ren isn't even close to a sith apprentice, let alone a dark Jedi. He's nothing more than an angry kid with a big sword and actually fairly weak force powers. The most impressive stunt we see is him stopping a laser in mid-air and holding it which, given the fact that a laser is nothing more than a spot of high energy, is not terribly hard to do.

Not to mention that Luke isn't really close to to Rey in regards to upbringing. Luke worked on a farm, of course he's not a soldier. He's probably had no experience with combat outside of occasionally shooting a hunting rifle or throwing a punch. Rey on the other hand grew up on a planet full of scavengers consistently attempting to steal things and attack her, alone, working for even the slightest bit of food. And I mean, that's really the key. She grew up tearing apart star ships for a living, is it really so surprising that she understands how a circuit works? She's taken the things apart and analyzed them.
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User avatar #137 to #92 - Viceroy (12/25/2015) [-]
"they're trying to draw a parallel between her and Anakin"
Maybe I don't have as good a memory as you, but didn't people despise Anakin throughout all the prequels?
People are still outraged at the kid piloting a starfighter in that movie, with every right to be. Why is it suddenly okay for Rey to inexplicably know everything about a ship she's never flown before, when Anakin doing so pissed so many people?
Again, do you, off the top of your head, know the difference in turn ratio between a Motorcycle and a Moped? Imagine flying a space ship, all of which are different shapes and sizes, through windy desert skies, that you've never driven before.
I could buy that she has a basic knowledge of space fairing vehicles since she scavenged so many parts from them, but to do hairpin turns like that and out maneuver trained First Order pilots is plot armor like no other. It would have made more sense for Finn's shooting to have saved them.
Kylo Ren is not a sith, he is a dark jedi, because he uses the Dark Side of the force. There's no 'Order of Dark Jedi' with a training regiment, it's just a designation.
Fairly weak Force Powers? Stopping a blaster shot in mid air? Paralysis? Mind reading? Three new powers we've never even seen before. This is another thing I keep hearing. People try to explain the fight by undermining Kylo Ren, and it just doesn't make sense. He's recieved training by snoke, he wields his lightsaber efficiently. There's literally nothing in the movie to suggest he's any kind of untrained. Why would Snoke let him out on First Order missions if he was so weak as you seem to believe? He kicks the **** out of Finn despite being wounded and conflicted.
But lets be real here. I don't think Rey was written explicitly to be some kind of naturally at everything prodigy like Anakin. They needed the plot to go forward, and Rey wasn't doing anything else. They could have had Poe do most of the flying, but that would mean having him for the whole movie, and it would have taken the spotlight from Finn and Rey. They could have had Han pick them up in the Falcon, but they'd have to explain why.
The movie was great. But it could have been handled without Rey doing everything to move the plot forward.
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User avatar #129 to #87 - icedragon (12/25/2015) [-]
"You can't just use it as an excuse for every inexplicable thing about her."

Well actually you can, we have seen previously that the force has manifested itself in people to do extraordinary things. As Explained in KOTOR 2 by kreia people have the force and end up not being trained by the jedi have extraordinary capabilities. While her and Kalo Ren wear super ******** plot armor, the force is still strong with her and manifested itself in many beneficial ways. Also remember the force sometimes acts like a living thing. AND THAT LIGHTSABER CHOOSE HER IT REJECTED THAT MASKED ******** AND THAT WAS REALLY COOL!
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User avatar #101 to #73 - huntergriff ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
I'm only asking because there's only two, one of them is on yavin 4 and the other was brought to the jedi temple as implied by luke in shattered empire, and if what you're saying is true, then poe dameron could also be force sensitive.
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User avatar #123 to #101 - greyhoundfd (12/25/2015) [-]
Well I mean, it's specifically stated that he's the best pilot in the Alliance, and as A New Hope establishes, the force can be used to enhance and improve piloting abilities through foresight and instinct.

He might not be about to run around with a lightsaber, but he certainly could be using the force to aid his abilities without knowing it.
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User avatar #100 to #73 - huntergriff ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
is that actually true?
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User avatar #88 to #10 - sphincterface (12/25/2015) [-]
I wouldn't say even Mace disliked Anakin. He was just extremely worried about Anakin being so emotional and arrogant and simply tried to discipline him. He never really went out of his way to be mean to Anakin, the most he did was raise his voice at him or just tell him no. And Obi Wan didn't dislike young Anakin, he was just annoyed with Qui Gon completely ignoring the age limit for Jedi and found it frustrating that the Council allowed it anyways, for him it was like a "Am I the only sane one here?" kind of situation and it led to Obi being very distrustful of Anakin at first.
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#12 to #10 - karvarausku (12/25/2015) [-]
If all it took was someone to be strong with force and heard some stories of jedies being able to mind control ppl, don't you think the whole galaxy would be plagued by some pretty evil ppl in there other than sith... Exactly it took her only 3 tries to make someone to succumb to her will a mere noob who had only heard rumors about force with 0 training at all. Also even if she didn't throw the lightsaber like you can do in the games she beat a sith trainee with no jedi training, of course she has some kind of battle experience as shown when she beat up the guys at the market, but still lightsaber compared to staff... I would say it's pretty different style and she shouldn't be able to use them with ease... The movie was about 6-7/10 anyways :/
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#16 to #12 - anon (12/25/2015) [-]
But that's the thing, she's not just some nobody with force sensitivity, she's clearly a skywalker, as some of the theories speculate. Also, in regards to your first sentence, it's not like force sensitive kids are just sprouting up, they're a rarity between order 66 and Vaders hunting force sensitive people.
I agree that the mind trick part was pretty silly, but I'm just going to repeat Lukes daughter, one of the most powerful bloodlines that's tied to the Force.
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User avatar #17 to #16 - karvarausku (12/25/2015) [-]
Juh but here's the thing... But there's the thing that if she would be Lukes daughter he would have to brake the Jedi vow, the one that Anakin broke with Padme that you couldn't be in relationship. (who knows maybe Luke just masturbated and bottled that **** up). There are Jedies who have gotten permission, but those were in extreme cases like having to save the whole race, so I can kinda see how there could be little flexibility in there.
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User avatar #21 to #17 - ohemgeezus [OP]ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
That anon was me, idk how I pressed anon. Luke doesn't follow the creed because there's no reason he knows anything about the old order. The only living people that know it are Ani, Yoda, and Ben, all of which never taught Luke, as far as we know he doesn't know or follow it, especially in, now non-canon, he had a wife and kid with Mara Jade
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#22 to #21 - karvarausku (12/25/2015) [-]
GIF
**karvarausku used "*roll picture*"**
**karvarausku rolled image** Well I'm not really the one to argue about the Jedi lores (remember reading the comics and playing Jedi academy / outcast when I was little). Still tho I think there shouldn't have been anyways he managed to use the force to the extend she was able or the saber... I would have taken in even that Han solo would have trained her for a while even if he himself isn't even close to Jedi, he at least knew something about them.
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User avatar #102 to #17 - huntergriff ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
the jedi code doesn't exist, or the stupid parts (Like you can't love people) rather, by this time, most likely.
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#67 to #17 - tomthehippie (12/25/2015) [-]
>luke broke the Jedi code

bruh, Luke and Anakin both prove that the Jedi code is ******** . Luke straight up uses the darkside and lets go of it, something no other Jedi before him had done in cannon. That's actually a large theme throughout the series, that balance must be found within emotions, not by rejecting them (which is what a code compliant Jedi does).
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#27 to #10 - anon (12/25/2015) [-]
She only ever piloted a speeder, which is not remotely like piloting a ship. She 'had a little trouble' flying a ship meant to be flown by two people when she'd never once flown an aircraft before. A little trouble. But still managed to fly it well enough to not get shot down by two trained pilots in more maneuverable craft. And you see no problem with this?

Obi-Wan's mind trick was used at close quarters, and he delivered them one at a time to ensure they got through. Rey made all of hers in a big jumble from across the room, and then made further commands as he was leaving the room. Furthermore, Obi-Wan's were mere suggestions, whereas Rey's commands went strictly against his orders but it still only took her two tries.

None of the Jedi Council seemed to particularly like Anakin. And while others got along with him, it wasn't the same level as Rey. Notoriously mistrustful loner Han Solo offered her a job immediately after meeting her. That alien woman whose name I don't remember is prepared to entrust her with Luke's saber five minutes after meeting her. Kylo Ren's angsting about Vader's legacy and his father, but suddenly wants her to join him after torturing her for information the same day. Not one single named character that met Rey didn't like her.
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User avatar #28 to #27 - ohemgeezus [OP]ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
Meanwhile Ani only ever piloted a podracer, but he piloted a fighter easily. Also there's nothing to say she never piloted a ship either.
When did Obi ever use the mind trick multiple times? He only waved his hand once, even when there were groups of people, he didn't do it for each individual person. The distance in the room has no bearing, nor does suggestion vs orders
None of the council disliked Ani, other than Mace, who only ever distrusted him, both because he was arrogant and was too close to Palpatine, someone who the council actually distrusted. Han was mistrustful in the original trilogy, even if he was in 7, Rey saved his life in the freighter when he was going to be killed by the two gangs, why wouldn't he trust her? The Maz Kanata(little alien woman) trusts her because she knows who Rey actually is. Kylo wants her to join him because he knows she is Force sensitive, and he's a sith, the entire point of the Sith is the apprentice Sith looks for a new apprentice so they can overthrow the Sith Master.

It's like you know nothing about Star Wars or are just hating 7 because it's not "muh prequels"
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#70 to #28 - anon (12/25/2015) [-]
The prequels were just alright, except for AotC which was awful. Keep making baseless assumptions though.

It's pretty obvious Rey's never left Jakku before. She scavenges for a living, how the hell would she have piloted a ship? The more you bend someone's mind the more power/skill it takes, that's basic **** . And Han at the point they found him in 7 is clearly a bitter, grumpy old man who just wants people to leave him alone. So he basically invites her to join him and Chewie the same day they meet. Really? 'because she knows who Rey actually is' Someone who happens to be Force sensitive? Or are you actually treating this incest baby **** as a serious theory rather than the joke it was meant to be? Because it completely doesn't work in the timeline or anywhere else. It's funny to mess around with, but nothing anywhere in the series adds up to that. You can deflect all you want, it still remains that every single character that met her liked her more or less instantly. That's mary sue to the ******* max.
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User avatar #72 to #70 - ohemgeezus [OP]ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
I meant originals, not prequels, I had a dumb of the brain
So much you said is completely retarded that I don't even want to bother with a retort. I never said anything about her being the incest baby,I even said somewhere else on this thread that she's 19 years old. She was born 11 years after Endor. I already explained why Han allowed her to join his crew but I guess that was too hard for you to understand.
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#116 to #72 - anon (12/25/2015) [-]
Sure, just lob a bunch of insults around since you can't actually counter anything I said. I guess that's winning an argument for you. Good job.
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User avatar #99 to #10 - huntergriff ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
Yoda too.
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User avatar #115 to #8 - friedgreenpomatoes ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
She constantly slams the Falcon into things. Sure she knows a lot about starship parts, but that's probably because she's spent most of her life crawling around in them.
Took her 3 tries for her mind trick to work, Obi only needed one
Kylo Ren was a) injured and b) a little bitch who wasn't even fully trained himself, and she didn't honestly do THAT well anyway
What makes you think Kylo LOVES her? He probably can just tell she has high force sensitivity and thinks she'd be a useful ally.
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User avatar #68 - lotrfan (12/25/2015) [-]
Someone explain to me how Rey is a Mary Sue? I keep hearing that and it pisses me off tbh. A Mary Sue ignoring the fact that this trope originated as fanfic authors inserting themselves into stories and being better than all the other characters at everything and the love interest for the male lead is supposed to be poorly developed and good at everything. Yes Rey has a lot going for her as a character, but all of her abilities aside from her force sensitivity, which has always been random and/or plot driven anyway, are all explained thoroughly, or can at least be inferred. Her knowledge of how to take apart and repair technology Millennium Falcon's hyperdrive the biggest example comes from the fact that she was raised in a desert planet where the only thing she could do was take apart and repair pieces from defunct ships. Her flying takes a little more thought process but who really wants to be spoon fed every little detail. but again she has a background and many years worth of working on ships. Sure she is only shown driving a speeder in the movie before the falcon, but then again, Anakin destroyed one of those separatist bases as a ******* 8 year old so Rey messily evading two tie-fighters isn't that unbelievable also she is force sensitive meaning she's naturally a better pilot since she can react to things faster... as said by qui gon in eps 1 . Finally, her defeating Kylo Ren at the end comes down to two things. Chewie and Fin both injured Ren before Rey came in, and Rey is shown before as being much more capable than Fin in hand to hand combat. She carries a ******* staff around, you really surprised she knows how to use a lightsaber?

Idk what else would make her a Mary Sue. Seriously I don't get it. It can't be the force sensitivity stuff, since, you know, it's random/the will of the force, who ends up being sensitive. And no one can really say she's poorly developed. She has flaws and she makes mistakes. She is afraid that her parents abandoned her for good, which I'm sure will continue to develop even further in the next movies (Luke, maybe as her father). Also, she initially refuses to accept the force into her life at first. Her arc as a character (an arc being something Mary Sue's don't have) was her putting those fears and worries behind her and going to search for Luke to train her. Notice how she would always say she needed to get back to Jakku? That was her struggling with the call to adventure. Also, remember when she releases the aliens that Han and Chewie were smuggling? Yeah a Mary Sue wouldn't have done something like that. That's not perfect, she ****** up and almost got all of them killed Fin got grabbed, Chewie got shot, and even though they escaped, it was only thanks to Han's decision to jump to lightspeed from inside the ship . OK that's a lot to rant about, it just kind of frustrates me when people complain about her character without giving good reasons. The movie was far from perfect I'd still rank it in top 3, maybe even 2 but imo she was the clear standout from a writing and acting standpoint. I know not everyone has to agree with me, but just say you don't like her as a character. Calling her a Mary Sue honestly just sounds to me like people are complaining she's a female lead character not trying to call people sexist, I doubt that's what it is, I just honestly don't see the other sides reasoning . If your going to call her a Mary Sue, then Luke must be one too (at least in 4). He destroyed the death star with no real piloting training (other than what Biggs and Obi Wan tell the audience) and he comes up with the plan to save Leia, and he accepts the force without question. At least with Rey, we see development and a clear background behind how she got so talented.

tl;dr I don't see how Rey is a Mary Sue, but I'm open to a discussion
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User avatar #138 to #68 - MatthewsGauss ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
spoilers are used for spoilers not to replace quotation marks
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User avatar #139 to #138 - MatthewsGauss ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
**** I meant parenthesis
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User avatar #69 to #68 - lotrfan (12/25/2015) [-]
Wow, did not realize how long that was until just now... Sleep deprivation and cold meds might have gotten to me haha
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#75 to #68 - IamPinhead (12/25/2015) [-]
While she has good reason to be an excellent mechanic and a good fighter, she was capable of force pulls, mind reading and mind tricks very shortly after discovering that the Force is a thing at all. Also, being able to whip a stick around does not a sword user make.
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#112 to #68 - anon (12/25/2015) [-]
For Me, A Mary Sue is someone so perfect that they aren't challenged by the plot, and after one or two tries, masters things that others have taken years to perfect. The writer, whomever they may be, tries to justify every aspect on why she's so good at everything like; piloting a two-man ship with unnatural finesse and uses the ******* ship to aim the turret (while there was another one by the way. all they needed to do was put a single shot of the other turret being disabled. i mean, come on!) when all we ever see her pilot is that one engine pod-racer thing. Taking things apart for parts. doesn't mean you can put it back together and understand its use. and a bow staff a lightsaber does not make. no matter how in tune with the force you are.

On a side note, this movie has too much missing information like what happened to chewies wife? What happened to the silver Stormtrooper? Why was she even a part of the film? She had so little impact to the plot. How did KyloRen escape Deathstar 3.0? Why was Ren such a imcompetant bastard one moment when at the begining he was kindof badass? Why give KyloRen temper tantrum moments when he could of used the ******* force to locate Rei? Why couldn't we have seen Rei running through the DeathStar learning about her force powers instead of her hiding like a pussycat (could've seen her progression into the final fight a little more believable.) What's KyloRen's motivation into joining the darkside? (instead of him talking to a ******* vader's skull mask like a fanboy, we could've seen a visual representation on why he turned, making that one confrontation between Father and Son have more of an impact than it was.)
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User avatar #91 to #68 - sphincterface (12/25/2015) [-]
It's the fact that she is just a regular scavenger who spent most of her time tinkering around with machines and living off the land. Naturally she would be tough, very athletic and good with machinery so that makes sense.

But, it's the fact that after just learning about the Jedi and the Force, she is able to suddenly move objects with the force and use the Mind Tricks, which is still something a lot of Jedi struggle with even with years of experience. She is able to do it after 2 tries. The fact that she beat Kylo Ren so easily is also something else because fighting with a staff and fighting with a lightsaber, a weapon known to be actually pretty tough to handle on your first try even as a force user. The fact that even Finn did so well with a lightsaber surprises me, because most people would be accidentally cutting and burning themselves with the saber with the **** he was pulling off.
And last but not least, she was able to pull of these incredible stunts with the Millennium Falcon her first time ever trying to fly a ship.

Personally I would be okay with her fumbling around with some stuff for most of the movie until the very end with her being at least somewhat mediocre at all this new stuff. I wouldn't mind her showing off some force ability, as long as they made it a bit clumsier. Like when she pulled the lightsaber out of the snow, it would have been better if you saw the saber skittering and tumbling slowly and awkwardly instead of smoothly flying into her hand, plus it would have kinda been funny to see that. And in her fight with Kylo, she should have won indirectly by pure luck, like the base causing eruptions that caused him to stumble around a lot or to separate them, or maybe an X-Wing firing at him and wounding him even more, forcing him to retreat instead. Just something to keep the tension going, because I knew she was somehow going to beat him by pure skill because the plot demanded it. I would have liked it better if there was an "oh **** " moment where you start to think maybe he was going to kill her, then like I said, is interrupted by the base falling apart or he is attacked.

In all, I liked Rey but she was just too perfect to really be a character you can relate too. They should have lowered some of her abilities to give a little more tension and to not make her somewhat of a Mary Sue.
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#117 to #68 - anon (12/25/2015) [-]
Anakin managed to destroy a Trade Federation ship, but it was pretty obviously dumb luck. He had no idea what the hell he was doing. Even the shot that destroyed it was an accident. He also had a capable R2 Droid assisting him. Rey had nothing, but still managed considerably more complicated flying with little issue.

You have to look not just at what happens, but the consequences. Sure, she let the aliens loose by mistake, but that's the only thing that gets them out of the situation alive. Not one of them is even injured by said aliens, since she manages to release a door on a ship she's never been on with pinpoint timing on her first try. She said she needed to get back to Jakku, but never made any serious attempt to go back. Just whined about it. That's the kind of informed flaw mary sues have, the kind that never actually effects anything negatively.

Luke wouldn't have lived to blow up the Death Star had Han not saved him. He would've died on Hoth had Han not saved him again. He would've died or been captured on Cloud City. Even his final battle against the Emperor, he lost and needed to be saved by Anakin. Rey never needed anyone to save her from anything. Even when she was captured, she promptly escaped on her own with zero difficulty. Luke very clearly wanted to leave Tatooine and pilot aircraft and have adventures. Of course he accepts something that sounds as awesome as the Force. Whereas Rey has never left Jakku and supposedly wants nothing else but to go back there, but apparently knows all this stuff about the Force.
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User avatar #77 to #68 - hanabro (12/25/2015) [-]
It doesn't matter if there's justification for how she's good at everything. She's still good at EVERYTHING she does, to an unbelievable degree. Everything she puts her hands on, she's good at. Everyone she encounters thinks she's great, even the VILLAIN. Who she beat while wielding a weapon she's never used before. There is a HUGE difference between a staff and a sword. It's like saying you know how to shoot a bow, so you should be able to use a sniper rifle. And don't get me started on her being able to pull a Jedi Mind trick with absolutely no force training at all, to a degree that even Jedi Masters have never displayed. It's just absurd. At least Luke and Anakin needed training to be able to do most of their feats, Rey just pulls powers out of her ass whenever it's convenient.

She's not a HUGE Mary Sue, but she definitely is one. And it doesn't help that she's probably Luke's daughter , and being related to the powerful main characters is a pretty common aspect of Mary Suedom, but of course that's speculation for now.
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#78 to #68 - anon (12/25/2015) [-]
It's pretty obvious she's Mary Sue in that she's ungodly proficient in everything that she does, even things she shouldn't have experience in the slightest.

What I don't understand is the complaints about her being a Mary Sue. Every first film in a trilogy for both trilogies featured Mary Sues for anyone who was to be the main focus of the respective films. Prequel Trilogy you had Anakin Skywalker AS A CHILD win a pod race, and then somehow translate racing experience to MAD FIGHTER PILOT SKILLZ which lead to him single-handedly blowing up a goddamn Trade Federation Hangar.
Original Trilogy you had Luke Skywalker hop in a figher ship with the same level of zilch initial flight experience and outmanuever adult Anakin Skywalker, use the force to completely change turn high velocity missiles on a dime, and blow up the Death Star.

Rey is presumed to be part of the Skywalker bloodline; the signs are so clear, she's either that or a really, really dumb red herring. The fact is, Star Wars has a history of Mary Sues for protagonists, it's pretty much part of the whole "Skywalkers are literally Jesus Christ with lightsabers" shtick.
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User avatar #79 to #78 - akkere ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
Annnnnd I forgot to login.
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User avatar #96 to #79 - huntergriff ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
luke actually flew T-sixteen skyhoppers back on tatooine before he became the rebel pilot/jedi we all know and love.
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User avatar #89 to #78 - anonmuncher ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
Honestly best explanation I've heard on the protagonists.
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#113 to #78 - anon (12/25/2015) [-]
Luke wasn't good at everything. Being a pilot was his only good thing. He was young and cocky. He lost quite a few times. (Sand People taking him out. Fumbling with the lightsaber. Losing an arm to Vader. Losing Ben Kenobi.) And the characters as well as the audience were able to absorb the impact of each loss and hope they pull through.
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User avatar #131 to #113 - akkere ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
The losing an arm to Vader is actually something that's also dealt with in the structure of films. The protagonist's second film will usually be their moment of trials, of which they will ultimately get utterly punished in. Anakin Skywalker got utterly destroyed by Count Dooku (the fault of his own arrogance, which might be a similar cause for Rey's own trial in the next film) and Luke got pretty wrecked himself by Vader. Rey seems to draw a stronger connection to Anakin in more regards, such that I wouldn't be surprised her unusually large Mary Sue-ness might actually fold into her ego (which she's shown from time to time) and cause her problems in training the grizzled Luke.
Losing Ben Kenobi wasn't something Luke could prevent either, even if he did have the fighting capability; he simply wasn't there to help Ben at all, just like how Finn nearly gets killed and only survives because Rey was able to fend off Kylo
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User avatar #23 - motherfuckingkenji (12/25/2015) [-]
Supposedly, Disney Infinity states that she's Luke's daughter.
Which is complete ********* ; Luke doesn't have a daughter, he has a son named Ben. Han and Leia have a daughter, but her name is Jaina, and has two brothers named Jacen and Anakin.

Thanks for ruining ******* everything, Disney.
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User avatar #30 to #23 - SuperWeapons (12/25/2015) [-]
MAJOR EP VII SPOILERS! Yea **** disney. You kill Han, and didnt even show any emotion. That's jsut ********* . And if they say Han is still alive, they have to have a ******* of deus ex machina to explain it with.
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User avatar #31 to #30 - motherfuckingkenji (12/25/2015) [-]
I had read that Harrison Ford is signed up for Episode 8. Like, he got stabbed and fell into an actual pit used for firing a giant ******* laser, he didn't fall into a soft pile of garbage like Darth Maul did. Dat ***** dead.
Also, I highly doubt Chewbacca would just be like "Oh, my best friend that I've been the copilot of for decades on top of owing a life-debt that I would later repay by having a moon dropped on me while saving his kids to just died? lol hey bitch that I met yesterday, you're my captain now."
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User avatar #97 to #31 - huntergriff ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
darth maul didn't fall into a pile of garbage either...
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User avatar #34 to #31 - SuperWeapons (12/25/2015) [-]
same spoiler as above. honestly though, if han did survive then i would not be that angry at the movie. the rest was pretty ok.
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User avatar #32 to #31 - SuperWeapons (12/25/2015) [-]
******* exactly. its *******
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User avatar #24 to #23 - ohemgeezus [OP]ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
Can't ruin something that's non-canon
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User avatar #25 to #24 - motherfuckingkenji (12/25/2015) [-]
It's ruined because they made it non-canon.
How not to ruin it: don't make Rey related to Luke, and change Kylo Ren's name from "Ben" to "Jacen". Jacen never fell to the Dark Side, but at the very least the name would fit.
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User avatar #35 to #25 - Viceroy (12/25/2015) [-]
>jacen never fell to the dark side
> starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Caedus
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User avatar #36 to #35 - motherfuckingkenji (12/25/2015) [-]
Hey man, I knew that, I just happened to forget it when I said that.
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User avatar #37 to #36 - Viceroy (12/25/2015) [-]
nice cover bro
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User avatar #38 to #37 - motherfuckingkenji (12/25/2015) [-]
I have to clean the movie theater and have to deal with Star Wars, and at my other job we're one of the very few places open for Christmas and have been getting *********** because of that and we're even down one of our full-time employees so I have to work a lot more for a while.

***** I'm tired as **** . Don't judge me.
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User avatar #46 to #38 - alexdelooze (12/25/2015) [-]
*cough* ignore the expanded universe *cough* no longer canon *cough* only the things disney got the rights to are canon *cough*
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User avatar #48 to #46 - Viceroy (12/25/2015) [-]
Listen mate, just because it's a non-canon continuity, doesn't mean nerds like me and Mr. ****************** can't argue about it.
Also, technically speaking, the general consensus is that as long as the films or other licensed works do not contradict it, certain EU elements can be considered canon until such a contradiction occurs.
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User avatar #51 to #48 - ohemgeezus [OP]ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
>as long as they don't contradict it
EU does contradict it, though seeing how Han doesn't have a son named Jacen/Anakin
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User avatar #52 to #51 - Viceroy (12/25/2015) [-]
Exactly, so Jacen isn't canon.
I never said he was. But those books and comics still exist in their own continuity, and there's nothing stopping me from correcting someone when they get a detail of that continuity wrong.
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User avatar #53 to #52 - ohemgeezus [OP]ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
Jacen AND Anakin aren't canon because Ben exists. I mean keep living in your ignorance all you want, but arguing that non-canon stuff is canon is silly
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User avatar #54 to #53 - Viceroy (12/25/2015) [-]
I never said any of the Solo kids from the comics were canon. I don't know how else to explain that.
But in the work in which he is featured, which is non-canon, the character Jacen Solo becomes a sith lord, a correction I was making to another comment.
It's probable that Kylo Ren wouldn't exist were it no for Jacen Solo coming first.
And if it's so silly, maybe you should stop arguing about it with me.
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User avatar #56 to #54 - ohemgeezus [OP]ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
You saying that Javen isn't canon, leaving out Anakin sort of implies you think Anakin is
You mean Kylo Ren, a shadow of Vader wouldn't exist? I doubt that
I never said it's silly to argue this, I said arguing that non-canon stuff is canon is silly. Arguing that non-canon isn't canon isn't silly. Do you understand now?
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User avatar #57 to #56 - Viceroy (12/25/2015) [-]
I didn't argue that non-canon stuff is canon.
Ever.
Just because you assumed that me not expressly stating Anakin and Jaina aren't canon meant that I was saying they were is not my fault.
Use context. Surely if I know Kylo Ren is canon, I wouldn't assume the other kids are.
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User avatar #58 to #57 - ohemgeezus [OP]ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
"I never argued non-canon stuff is canon"
>>#48
Literally what?
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User avatar #59 to #58 - Viceroy (12/25/2015) [-]
"just because it's a non-canon continuity"
Right there. I called it non-canon.
What's the misunderstanding here?
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User avatar #60 to #59 - ohemgeezus [OP]ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
That little eye thing is called a spoiler, click that and then read what you wrote. All of the EU is non-canon, no matter if it contradicts canon or not
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User avatar #62 to #61 - ohemgeezus [OP]ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
I can do that too
starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Legends
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User avatar #63 to #62 - Viceroy (12/25/2015) [-]
"The issue of which aspects are canon was one of the most hotly debated topics among fans."
Aaaand. Here we are.
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User avatar #49 to #48 - alexdelooze (12/25/2015) [-]
Technically nothing. Disney said no because they can't control it, legal battle them or stfu about this movie and who is who
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User avatar #50 to #49 - Viceroy (12/25/2015) [-]
It's how it works. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_canon#List_of_Star_Wars_canon
When I say "the general consensus" that means generally agreed upon by people.
Please un-knot your panties.
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User avatar #133 - varrlegrimscythe (12/25/2015) [-]
Here's my theory, Kylo Ren wasn't the only apprentice to Luke. He had other's, one happened to be a woman, they became lovers and had a child. Kylo was jealous that he was put on the back burner for Luke's new family, Snoke takes advantage of this and converts him.
He kills the other apprentices in a rage, not wanting to kill Kylo, Luke and his family flee and are pursued relentlessly over the years, Luke and his lover have no choice but to abandon their child to keep her safe, they leave her on Jakku. Later on Luke and his lover are cornered by the first order, and Luke's lover is killed, Luke escapes and erects a funeral pyre, as seen in the force flashback from his old lightsaber.
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#135 to #133 - anonymousfinn (12/25/2015) [-]
That is a really cool theory!
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#136 to #133 - anon (12/25/2015) [-]
This one hold water.
Good theory. But I got a feeling that Disney wanna cut off the all the old ties of the Original. 3 new sequels, 3 Old Heroes of the Original, 1 sequel down, 1 Old Heroes got stabbed.
By the end of Ep9, all Leia, Han and Luke gonna die.
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User avatar #145 to #133 - alucardexplain (12/25/2015) [-]
Pretty solid. I believe at some point it does say there were other apprentices. I'm about to go see it again, so I'll know for sure afterwards.
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#118 - anon (12/25/2015) [-]
Its gonna be Hans other kid, the other twin basically, just like Luke and leia were.
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#119 to #118 - judothrow (12/25/2015) [-]
I always forget to login, **** .
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User avatar #83 - therealpokemon (12/25/2015) [-]
If Luke isn't with Mara imma be upset. They ******* with Star Wars.
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User avatar #141 - CXJokerXD (12/25/2015) [-]
Movie is set 30 years into the future from ep 6. Not buying rey is near 30
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User avatar #105 - topperharly ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
not a movie spoiler. i say she is the daughter of vader.
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User avatar #106 to #105 - stealthnull (12/25/2015) [-]
that would make her Luke and Leia's half sister.
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User avatar #107 to #106 - topperharly ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
i know. and i think its not lukes kid because he didnt had a reason to hide her. the first order wasnt that strong back then (kylo is more or less her age). i think that would be a good twist if thats where true....
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User avatar #108 to #107 - stealthnull (12/25/2015) [-]
eh i could go either way on this theory or hope lol
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User avatar #120 to #105 - weinerdick (12/25/2015) [-]
Wouldn't she be old too considering Luke and Leia's ages?
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User avatar #121 to #120 - topperharly ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
i thought that she might have been born like 5 years before endor but i wikied and she was born 11 years later...so.....she isnt vaders daughter....
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User avatar #111 to #105 - Sethorein (12/25/2015) [-]
Did Vader still have a functional dick?
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#85 - anon (12/25/2015) [-]
**anonymous used "*roll picture*"**
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User avatar #150 - skrynox (12/25/2015) [-]
That explains why Luke was missing..
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User avatar #146 - jaysnk (12/25/2015) [-]
Rey Kenobi
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User avatar #147 to #146 - ohemgeezus [OP]ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
There's no way. She was born 11 years after Endor
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User avatar #148 to #147 - jaysnk (12/25/2015) [-]
granddaughter
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User avatar #149 to #148 - ohemgeezus [OP]ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
Oh right, I forgot he possibly has/had a daughter. It would be strange, though because there was nothing in the originals, so in 8/9 they'll just be like, "oh by the way, Obi Wan banged someone", which would be off for his character
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User avatar #151 to #149 - jaysnk (12/25/2015) [-]
Rey Kenobi Theory (Who Is Rey?) - STAR WARS THE FORCE AWAKENS just speculation
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User avatar #144 - Deavas ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
Well she's definitely Luke's kid but there's still her mom and why she was abandoned that we don't know
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#110 - mytwocents ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
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#103 - thebaseballexpert (12/25/2015) [-]
TFA takes place 30 years after ROTJ, correct? i thought she was something like 16 years old. 20 tops.
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User avatar #126 to #103 - ohemgeezus [OP]ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
She is 19 years old
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