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>inb4 butthurt bannatheists. The medieval period is frequently caricatured as supposedly a "time of ignorance and superstition" which placed "the

The medieval period is frequently caricatured as supposedly a "time of ignorance and superstition" which placed "the word of religious authorities over personal experience and rational activity."[42] However, rationality was increasingly held in high regard as the Middle Ages progressed. The historian of science Edward Grant, writes that "If revolutionary rational thoughts were expressed [inthe18thcentury], they were made possible because of the long medieval tradition that established the use of reason as one of the most important of human activities".[43] Furthermore, David Lindberg says that, contrary to common belief, "the late medieval scholar rarely experienced the coercive power of the church and would have regarded himself as free (particularly in the natural sciences) to follow reason and observation wherever they led".[44]

The caricature of the period is also reflected in a number of more specific notions. For instance, a claim that was first propagated in the 19th century[45][46] and is still very common in popular culture is the supposition that all people in the Middle Ages believed that the Earth was flat. This claim is mistaken.[46][47] In fact, lecturers in the medieval universities commonly advanced evidence in favor of the idea that the Earth was a sphere.[48] Lindberg and Ronald Numbers write: "There was scarcely a Christian scholar of the Middle Ages who did not acknowledge [Earth's] sphericity and even know its approximate circumference".[49]

Other misconceptions such as: "the Church prohibited autopsies and dissections during the Middle Ages", "the rise of Christianity killed off ancient science", and "the medieval Christian church suppressed the growth of natural philosophy", are all cited by Ronald Numbers as examples of widely popular myths that still pass as historical truth, although they are not supported by current historical research.[50] They help maintain the idea of a "Dark Age" spanning through the medieval period.

Unlike pagan Rome, Christian Europe did not exercise a universal prohibition of the dissection and autopsy of the human body and such examinations were carried out regularly from at least the 13th century.[51][52][53] It has even been suggested that the Christian theology contributed significantly to the revival of human dissection and autopsy by providing a new socio-religious and cultural context in which the human cadaver was no longer seen as sacrosanct.[51]

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Irish monk
Append childhood learning to read and write
Rave books and knowledge, particularly the Ancient Greek authors (why is Plutarch SC) based?)
Append most at my life copying books by hand
******** Vikings attack
away carrying all the books I can
find new monastery, start all aver again
to trek all the wahta Rome to get copies at burned books.
Cheaten and robbed by bandits an the way, left fer dead
sick
Append months in a farmer' e cottage healing
an ship
attacked by mare Vikings (why do people today idolize these assholes?)
Append year as a slave
continue an to Rome
Append months petitioning the Pope to give me copies ofthe lost books
Pstart back home
drowned in a storm an the way back
by bandits again
Allmost killed
time am saved by a meal king. still I almost **** myself
backto monastery
Append the reet allive copying make ea future generations will have the knowledge.
year later
in heaven
down to aee what happening
writing
Oh if only the Church had never existed society would be so much more advanced because at how hard they worked to burn make and destroy knowledge/ Wes if there were no Christianity we' d be in
space age society by now, **** those guys."
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#1 - crazyolitis (09/02/2014) [-]
It is called the dark ages because so little is known about it. Why is there so little known about it? Paper was scarce and barely anybody could write. Also, scholars in the renaissance burned books to 'prove' it was a cold, barbaric period.
#2 to #1 - dehumanizer [OP](09/02/2014) [-]
B-but you dont understand, its religion's fault !
User avatar #3 to #2 - crazyolitis (09/02/2014) [-]
...We're still doing this? I thought we were finally the whole 'le epic neckbeard fedora atheist XD' thing.
#6 to #5 - dehumanizer [OP](09/02/2014) [-]
Why are you upset?
#7 to #6 - unfitninjuh (09/03/2014) [-]
You do realize that some of the greatest contributors of science were men of faith?

Issac Newton did science n' **** when he was bored of not going to church.

Charles Darwin was considered as a religious man even after he published his findings from the Galapagos

Gregor Mendel was a monk studying pea plants at the monistary he worked at where he found out the theory of modern genetics

I can't tell if trolling, *********** , or joking, so I'm playing along if you are joking. **** off if you're serious
#8 - anon (09/03/2014) [-]
Yea some monks did good stuff but you religious bastards still burned the library of Alexandria along with the irreplaceable knowledge of the Egyptians. Also Galileo and the whole earth round the sun thing turned out nastily because of you cunts. Oh and phenomenon Young (cool dude did loads of science and decoded some hieroglyphs) gave up science because "it was leading him away from God". Long story short some religious people did some smart stuff but they probably would have anyway without religion (might have spent less time decorating the bible and more writing new things too), but religion is provably the cause of protracted ignorance over the duration of the dark ages and enlightenment.
#10 to #8 - anon (09/03/2014) [-]
Meant to say renaissance not enlightenment. Also the ancient greeks got as far as deducing the existence of atoms and inventing steam powered toys while the egyptians had complete knowledge of human anatomy even if they didn't understand what all of it was for. The problem with religion with regards to science is that it blinkers people into speculation about god when they should have been speculating about the universe it makes you ask the wrong questions even if nobody is telling you not to ask them.
#11 to #10 - anon (09/03/2014) [-]
How does the fedora fit?
#13 to #10 - dehumanizer [OP](09/03/2014) [-]
Your ignorant posts drive me... bananas!
#12 to #8 - dehumanizer [OP](09/03/2014) [-]
Butthurt, ignorance and made up historical lies : the post!
#14 to #8 - biscuitsunited (09/03/2014) [-]
I stopped at "Library of Alexandria"   
That was burned down by Caesar to prevent the spreading of ideas, not by Christians.   
But wait! "Hurr durr the romans were christians"    
FALSE, Christianity took generations to become the religion of the empire, and at the time of the burning the Romans still had their wacky greek-esch gods.
I stopped at "Library of Alexandria"
That was burned down by Caesar to prevent the spreading of ideas, not by Christians.
But wait! "Hurr durr the romans were christians"
FALSE, Christianity took generations to become the religion of the empire, and at the time of the burning the Romans still had their wacky greek-esch gods.
User avatar #19 - jukuku (09/03/2014) [-]
In general religion does act as a hindrance to scientific advancement due to the resistance to new information (evolution, particle physics and by extension the big bang, many aspects of psychology, notably homosexuality being blamed on sin, more fundamentalist religions which reject certain medicines, etc.) but it's not like the world just went away because of the European dark ages, China was flourishing so in reality we'd probably be a little bit ahead of where we are now but we wouldn't be traveling the galaxy or have cured all disease. Wider adoption of truths would have likely bolstered the rate of scientific literacy and served to hasten science's pace towards many things but what has been done is done. There is no point in screaming about what ifs and getting emotional about history, be reasonable.

Society will have growing pains, we're trending in the right direction as far as scientific literacy goes so I say we're doing alright.


INB4 fedora, neckbeard, etc.

Try an actual rebuttal for once.
#32 to #19 - anon (09/11/2014) [-]
>Try an actual rebuttal for once.
who are you talking to?
#26 to #19 - sdcrocks (09/03/2014) [-]
Except that it was atheist physicists that resisted the Big Bang Theory, because they believed that if the universe had a definite beginning there would have to be some kind of creator. Before the Big Bang theory atheists tried to say that the universe had no beginning, all the theory did was provide hard evidence for the theist philosophers who said that it did.
User avatar #28 to #26 - jukuku (09/03/2014) [-]
I never said it was just religion that was a hindrance. People can be wrong as well, I am not talking about new theories without experiment to back it up, I am talking about already proven theories being rejected.
#29 to #28 - sdcrocks (09/04/2014) [-]
My point wasn't that atheists can hinder science as well, it was that you said that religion resisted the Big Bang Theory, when in fact the opposite is true. In fact, history has plenty of examples of religious institutions furthering scientific research. Gregor Mendel was a monk, Copernicus received funding from the Vatican, etc.
#20 to #19 - dehumanizer [OP](09/03/2014) [-]
Ok here we go:
Resistance of information my ass, darwin was a christian and so was the priest that came up with the big bang, i dont see how you involve practicle physics to it.

>aspects of psychology and MUH HOMOSEX

bahahah this is so stupid i wont even bother with it

>China florishing

yeah no, Mongols

>wider adoption of truth and science is somewhat halted by religion

again, ahahahaha!

Have you maybe considered that the lack of scientific progress was caused... hmm maybe by the social unrest and that religion and the church actualy helped stabilise the region? HMMMM?
User avatar #21 to #20 - technoshaman (09/03/2014) [-]
I agree with you about religion not being a bad thing, but Darwin wasn't a Christian. Maybe at one point, but the idea that he was even after the whole evolution ball got rolling has been discredited.
User avatar #24 to #21 - dehumanizer [OP](09/03/2014) [-]
Well he just stoped going to church really but considering what he wrote in his book i still belive he was still atleast a theist. Just upset about wasps beeing so brutal.
User avatar #23 to #20 - jukuku (09/03/2014) [-]
I also never claimed that religious people cannot contribute to science but their contributions are not based in religious practice.
User avatar #22 to #20 - jukuku (09/03/2014) [-]
I am not claiming that all scientific hindrance is caused by religion, I don't even think that the religious doctrine which ruled over Europe during the dark ages was a significant set back, or a set back at all. I am saying that it is a hindrance, though the extent of that isn't very well known as there are countless variables.

Religion teaches doctrine which is rejecting of many established scientific theories. For example, particle physics and the big bang is denied by many and the argument they use is one that purports god as the almighty creator of everything. That is a rejection of science and it reduces the scientific literacy of the people who make that argument, they are not acting in a manner which influences many things. The view that god created the Earth alone can result in a refusal to fund projects like particle colliders, which has happened in the United States.

I mixed up timelines when said China was flourishing, that was incorrect.

">aspects of psychology and MUH HOMOSEX "

Yeah, like denial that schizophrenia and 'possessions' are caused by disease and instead claiming it is demonic in nature or arguing that homosexuals are sinful because they 'chose' their sexuality, which goes against virtually all of our understanding of human psychology. Again, meme spamming and argumentative verbatim isn't a rational argument, try again.

To be clear, I don't think religion, as it stands in the western world, is a major hindrance but it is a hindrance.
User avatar #25 to #22 - dehumanizer [OP](09/03/2014) [-]
>denied by many

no those are just some random redneck farmers, who get blown out of proportion by antitheists

Particle colliders arent funded because money needs to go to Israel and proxi wars in other countries to ensure global domination.

Oh so you think Apotemnophilia is not a mental illness because they are born this way. I mean whats wrong with a gown up adult amputating his limbs if he wants to. I should just be more openminded!
User avatar #27 to #25 - jukuku (09/03/2014) [-]
"Oh so you think Apotemnophilia is not a mental illness because they are born this way. I mean whats wrong with a gown up adult amputating his limbs if he wants to. I should just be more openminded!"

More anecdotal ******** . Sexual orientation and the urge to mutilate oneself are not anywhere near the same in terms of maintaining health and also the psychological affliction. Use an actual argument rather than trying to peddle your pathetic intolerance as justified.
User avatar #30 to #27 - dehumanizer [OP](09/04/2014) [-]
Gee well maybe you should use one too instead of trying to ******** my statements.
#17 - mephiblis ONLINE (09/03/2014) [-]
thisisrelevant.mozaic
#9 - anon (09/03/2014) [-]
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User avatar #15 - Zarakima (09/03/2014) [-]
This post was enlightening for me, if anyone has the original article with sources that'd be cool. I'm fine with people believing what they want to believe. My only issues with modern society as an Atheist is when I see things like people being indoctrinated from early childhood - my best friend is a closet atheist in a Muslim family who would disown him if they knew - as well as assholes/retards using it for their own agendas which happens pretty much everywhere all the time. I mean even some Atheists tried doing that with that Atheism + ******** .
User avatar #18 to #15 - organiclead (09/03/2014) [-]
Not an article, but it is Terry Jones.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7kixg7E3Pk
#33 - rawryrawr (09/13/2014) [-]
heil robbaz king of sweden
heil robbaz king of sweden
#31 - muffindemon (09/07/2014) [-]
*butthurt alarm goes off*
*butthurt alarm goes off*
#16 - anon (09/03/2014) [-]
Jelly?
Jelly?
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