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User avatar #14 - scant (06/20/2013) [-]
Guns can be used for assault or defense.
Pro-gun people tend to highlight the latter, and anti-gun the former.
Bit of a stalemate, really.
User avatar #178 to #14 - hudis (06/20/2013) [-]
They are literally made to kill people. That's not the definition of defense.
User avatar #376 to #178 - scant (06/21/2013) [-]
So if someone is making a threat to your life and you whack them on the head with a baseball bat and they die that's self-defense, but if you shoot them with a gun it's not?
User avatar #377 to #376 - hudis (06/21/2013) [-]
Do you seriously not see the difference?
User avatar #378 to #377 - scant (06/21/2013) [-]
Let me guess. You're about to make the argument that because guns are more potent than a baseball bat, there's no way you would shoot a gun without intention to kill, right?
User avatar #379 to #378 - hudis (06/21/2013) [-]
Oh, shooting without the intention to kill is perfectly plausible. It just doesn't necessarily always work out that way when you fire a bullet into someone's flesh. Please don't try to deny the fact that guns are more lethal than baseball bats. I'm going to bed. Good night.
User avatar #380 to #379 - scant (06/21/2013) [-]
And I can use the exact same argument for any implementation of weapon. But good work on ignoring all those possibilities.
Sleep well.
God forbid someone break into your house tonight.
User avatar #214 to #178 - xchewsifferx ONLINE (06/20/2013) [-]
Definition of defense: The action of defending from or resisting attack.
>Taking someones life could fit into this description

It's true that they were designed to kill, but they don't have to be used in that fashion. You can easily shoot and incapacitate an assailant
User avatar #236 to #214 - hudis (06/20/2013) [-]
Or you can ascertain your safety through other means, such as escaping from harm's way, calling for help - or, if you absolutely have to engage, not use a weapon that kills people ridiculously easily. As I said in post #225: Guns should never be used unless you are certain that your adversary is attempting to kill you and you have no other choice, as I see it.
User avatar #287 to #236 - xchewsifferx ONLINE (06/20/2013) [-]
i completely agree with you. In oklahoma there is an "equal force" law. essentially meaning you are only supposed meet an aggressor with whatever they're threatening you with.

It is also illegal to shoot if the person if they surrender or are running away. It is also illegal to pursue an attacker with the intention of using force
#261 to #236 - xxxsonic fanxxx (06/20/2013) [-]
I have the right to be secure in my home, breaking into my house is becoming a threat to my property and life, i'm not going to use something that doesn't have the highest chance of ending that situation.
#204 to #178 - xxxsonic fanxxx (06/20/2013) [-]
So if a guy breaks into your house with a butcher knife and tries to stab you and you shoot him you didn't defend yourself?
User avatar #225 to #204 - hudis (06/20/2013) [-]
It's more complicated than that. The chances of someone breaking into your home with the sole intent of stabbing you in modern society is very slim. You would have to gauge his intentions before he was within stabbing range, and that is very difficult. If you see a man in the dark in your hallway, holding a butcher knife, it's still very unlikely that he has broken into your home just to stab you. Regardless, let's say you make the conclusion that that's why he is there, so you shoot him. Is that defending yourself? No, I don't think so.

If he actively tries to stab you or has succesfully drawn blood, then I might consider the use of a gun justified. Otherwise it's just you making assumptions and deciding to kill someone because of said assumptions. Guns should never be used unless you are certain that your adversary is attempting to kill you and you have no other choice, as I see it. People are far too trigger-happy to have the right to own guns to the extent that they do in the U.S.
#245 to #225 - xxxsonic fanxxx (06/20/2013) [-]
If someone has even broken into your house under the law you can assume intent to harm, I don't know about you but if someone breaks into my house with a butcher knife i'm not going to wait for them to draw blood, that is literally retarded.
User avatar #304 to #245 - hudis (06/20/2013) [-]
See, there's the difference between people like me and people like you. I don't assume someone will kill me just because they're in my home with a weapon. It's more logical that they have a weapon with them in the event that someone in that house attempts to, say, shoot them. Most people are not sociopathic enough to just intend to kill people just because they break into a house with a weapon.
#310 to #304 - xxxsonic fanxxx (06/20/2013) [-]
You don't assume someone illegally in your house with a weapon intends to do you harm? Are you literally ******* retarded?

If you don't want to get shot how about don't break into a house with a deadly weapon, seems to solve that problem.
User avatar #346 to #310 - hudis (06/20/2013) [-]
No, I assume he's there to steal something, as is usually the case.
#348 to #346 - xxxsonic fanxxx (06/20/2013) [-]
Legally you can assume intent to harm if someone is illegally on your property at all, if someone is in my house with a weapon i'm not going to start a conversation to see what his intentions are.
User avatar #349 to #348 - hudis (06/20/2013) [-]
Legally isn't even relevant. Just because the law says you can shoot someone doesn't mean you should.
#350 to #349 - xxxsonic fanxxx (06/20/2013) [-]
You shouldn't go into a house with a weapon either, if you don't want to be harmed don't make yourself a threat, or hey, just don't break into a house. That responsibility is on the criminal, not me.
User avatar #351 to #350 - hudis (06/20/2013) [-]
Right, so it's not your responsibility if you shoot someone to death because they broke into your home armed with a knife/crowbar/baseball bat?
#352 to #351 - xxxsonic fanxxx (06/20/2013) [-]
It's the criminals responsibility to not put me into that position, if you make yourself a threat in my house that's on you, not me.
User avatar #28 to #14 - kevinspacey **User deleted account** (06/20/2013) [-]
also anti gun people will often state that even when guns are used for defenisive purposes they will be turned against the owner or that an innocent person will die as the result of an accident
User avatar #16 to #14 - failtolawl (06/20/2013) [-]
just avoid it, maybe they will all go away.
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