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Oh man, good luck with all the butch, ugly ass women who only joined the Marines to prove how manly they are. Shoulda gone Air Force man.
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anon (12/15/2015) [-]
The Marine Corps is the only branch that doesn't get BAH at E-4. Join any other branch for your own apartment/house. You will have hundreds of extra dollars per month, and can have pets. **** barracks life. Also forget 8 hour workdays if you join the Marine Corps. I'm working 60 hour workweeks right now. Basically what I'm saying is it's not too late to change your mind, don't ******* do it.
From my experience, the marines seems to attract the stupidest and most obnoxious people who then come out of boot as even bigger assholes because they think they are suddenly heroes because they joined the marines. I can only think of three marines that I have met that were decent people and the rest ranged from bad to outright terrible. They are the smallest of the four main branches of the US military and by far the most arrogant and often retarded.
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anon (12/16/2015) [-]
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**anonymous rolled image**I agree we are arrogant but its towards other branches. yes we think we're the best. yes we think we're badass. yes we think we are the **** and of course our dicks are bigger than everyone else's . but it comes with the territory. There's nothing like a good old fashioned brawl between the services. but at the same time because we are so small, we treat each other a helluva lot better than those in the other services. we have small unit leadership and our own traditions. It's just second nature to make fun of everybody else.
**anonymous rolled image**I agree we are arrogant but its towards other branches. yes we think we're the best. yes we think we're badass. yes we think we are the **** and of course our dicks are bigger than everyone else's . but it comes with the territory. There's nothing like a good old fashioned brawl between the services. but at the same time because we are so small, we treat each other a helluva lot better than those in the other services. we have small unit leadership and our own traditions. It's just second nature to make fun of everybody else.
Competitiveness between the branches is fine, but I am talking about how most marines I have met act around civilians. They act like they are better than everyone, not just members of the other military branches. They act like it is difficult to get into the marines, and judging by a number of former classmates of mine from high school, they seem to take just about everyone. I understand they do a dangerous job, but the decision to do that job is on them. Nobody forced them to enlist with the marines and simply being a marine does not make you better than anyone else. All I'm saying is that the members of other military branches that I have met have generally been far less douchey about their service than the bulk of the marines I have met and I really don't understand why. My best guess is that it is either that the marines tends to attract douche bags or they somehow instill this arrogance in them during training. Personally, I think they just attract more douche bags because I have met a small number of marines that have been extremely polite and just all around descent people, but they are a very small minority.
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anon (12/15/2015) [-]
Everyone comes out of boot as an asshole...that's an "18 year old that thinks he's cool" thing, not a USMC thing (seen fcking national guardsmen even do the same crap).
Ironically it's the fleet Marines that put them back in their place, and kindly (not really so kindly...) and make them stop being douchebags.
Ironically it's the fleet Marines that put them back in their place, and kindly (not really so kindly...) and make them stop being douchebags.
In my experience the higher ranked officers who have been in longer are usually kinder to civilians. It's the god damned PFCs that are the cuntiest of the bunch.
Completely agree. Of the three I have known to not be giant dicks, one was a colonel before retiring, one was a lieutenant, and the third was drafted during Vietnam and was mostly left along by the enlisted marines. All of them served and retired/left the corps more than three decades ago, which may have something to do with it as well. The other several dozen I have met are mostly arrogant asses that make sure you know they were marines and seem to expect you to kiss their ass because they think they are heroes simply because they joined the marines.
They're the smallest because they're part of the Department of the Navy. There's no Department of the Marine Corps, after all.
"I just want to kill people, I don't care who"
I replied to the recruit "I will go warm up the court martial"
I replied to the recruit "I will go warm up the court martial"
I never said that.
You have never met any marine recruits
You have never met any marine recruits
"Who ISIS or the UN? ISIS is bad but the UN has killed WAAAAAY more innocent people"
That is a fact not an opinion
That is a fact not an opinion
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anon (12/15/2015) [-]
It's also irrelevant, and clearly shows an anti-Western bias. ISIS slaughters people who disagree with them, UN troops cause collateral damage. Considering the UN is around 30 times as old as ISIS, and has been involved in dozens of armed conflicts over those years, the statistics are a little lopsided. It's like saying "whites commit more terrorist attacks than Arabs in the U.S." when whites (including Hispanics) make up over 80% of the population, while Arabs make up less than .3%. You see how this skews things?
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anon (12/15/2015) [-]
What? UN protectorates, which have no special history of violence or anything, and are primarily interim governments set up during transitional periods that have been largely successful? Is that what you're talking about? You may actually be retarded. You just throw out single words (again with none of your own sources) and expect me to find something negative where there is none.
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anon (12/15/2015) [-]
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**anonymous rolled image**Heres a story a Canadian soldier told me, his group was with a group of American soldiers and they raided a hide out, one of the Americans was about to throw a grenade into the basement but the Canadian soldier said that isn't how they do it and told him not to throw it, much to the dismay of the American. It turns out there was a **** ton of explosive materials that would have killed everyone had they thrown the grenade. Americans are so use to fighting that they don't know it's smarter to check before you attack even if there's no "bad guys" there, Canadian soldiers are use to peace keeping so they don't have the reflex to shoot first ask later.
**anonymous rolled image**Heres a story a Canadian soldier told me, his group was with a group of American soldiers and they raided a hide out, one of the Americans was about to throw a grenade into the basement but the Canadian soldier said that isn't how they do it and told him not to throw it, much to the dismay of the American. It turns out there was a **** ton of explosive materials that would have killed everyone had they thrown the grenade. Americans are so use to fighting that they don't know it's smarter to check before you attack even if there's no "bad guys" there, Canadian soldiers are use to peace keeping so they don't have the reflex to shoot first ask later.
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jdrinfantry (12/15/2015) [-]
no, no and no.
Canadians, British, Danish, US, Latvian etc. etc. infantry soldiers ALL follow the same doctrins, ESPECIALLY in joint operations.
Some are more experienced than others, and that shows exactly in situations like this.
Deployments often run at a faster pace than you train for. Hence, you don't always check before 'nading the **** out of a compound.
I've seen enough men and women killed, to know that I probably half my chances of getting back alive, if I stick my head into every room in a compound without throwing in a grenade first.
Unless we're talking about possible civilians or hostages inside.
Also I'm a danish infantry soldier, and to me, US marines are some of the best men I've fought besides.
Pic of Canadian soldiers stacking up. Definitely gonna toss a 'nade in that hole.
Canadians, British, Danish, US, Latvian etc. etc. infantry soldiers ALL follow the same doctrins, ESPECIALLY in joint operations.
Some are more experienced than others, and that shows exactly in situations like this.
Deployments often run at a faster pace than you train for. Hence, you don't always check before 'nading the **** out of a compound.
I've seen enough men and women killed, to know that I probably half my chances of getting back alive, if I stick my head into every room in a compound without throwing in a grenade first.
Unless we're talking about possible civilians or hostages inside.
Also I'm a danish infantry soldier, and to me, US marines are some of the best men I've fought besides.
Pic of Canadian soldiers stacking up. Definitely gonna toss a 'nade in that hole.
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humanityfckyeah (12/15/2015) [-]
Theu are frequently ranked lowly at military exercises with other countries. The fact is, while America has a lot, and generally amongst the best armed. They are mostly of lower quality soldiers
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anon (12/15/2015) [-]
**** like that does happen.
**** like entering a basement without fragging it first and getting shot 12 times happens a lot more though.
Just because the Canadians were right once about not fragging a basement doesn't mean it's suddenly tactically wise to go about clearing buildings without frags on a regular basis.
**** like entering a basement without fragging it first and getting shot 12 times happens a lot more though.
Just because the Canadians were right once about not fragging a basement doesn't mean it's suddenly tactically wise to go about clearing buildings without frags on a regular basis.
Yeah? Here's the thing, I've heard similar stories told about troops from almost every NATO nation by people from other ones. Everyone wants to make themselves look better. You know what they all have in common? They're made up; yours in particular goes against have a hundred military doctrines, so either you made it up or the person telling you the story did.
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selfdenyingbeggar (12/15/2015) [-]
Actually, I read in a news story that NATO nations talked about how the Americans have the greatest incidence of friendly fire
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anon (12/15/2015) [-]
No duh, they had something like 20x more troops there than the 2nd most contributing nation did. It's extremely statistically improbably that they WOULDN'T have the most incidents of it.
It's hard to fire on another unit from your own nation when you're the only unit from your nation there.
It's hard to fire on another unit from your own nation when you're the only unit from your nation there.
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selfdenyingbeggar (12/15/2015) [-]
sputniknews.com/world/20150720/1024825796.html
keeps happening
I understand what you say but it seems US troops have a history of not giving a ****
keeps happening
I understand what you say but it seems US troops have a history of not giving a ****
There have been 13 friendly fire incidents during the War in Iraq. Keep in mind the majority of troops in Iraq were Americans. 7 of them were committed by Americans, 2 of which were caused by mechanical errors, one of which was a faulty friend or foe tag in a British aircraft. Another was caused by Kurdish fighters hanging around a bomb-making facility and refusing to lower their weapons from the American troops. That leaves Americans at fault for 4 Friendly Fire incidents, unless you count the manufacturer of the anti-aircraft weapon that malfunctioned. British troops were responsible for another 5, they were far less numerous, and all of their incidents came from rifle or tank fire NOT from technical glitches. That shows American troops as more competent, if anything.
Americans were responsible for 5 FF incidents in Afghanistan. Germans were responsible for one, New Zealanders for one, Afghans for two, Pakistanis for one, British for 13 (possibly 12), Canadians for 4, Dutch for one, and Danes for one. The U.S. made up two-thirds of the coalition in both conflicts, with the British contributing nearly another third. If anything, this shows Americans as ridiculously competent. One reason the U.S. may be viewed as responsible for more blue-on-blue incidents is that the British called American aircraft to incorrect coordinates on 4 separate occasions, which I counted as British responsibility.
Americans were responsible for 5 FF incidents in Afghanistan. Germans were responsible for one, New Zealanders for one, Afghans for two, Pakistanis for one, British for 13 (possibly 12), Canadians for 4, Dutch for one, and Danes for one. The U.S. made up two-thirds of the coalition in both conflicts, with the British contributing nearly another third. If anything, this shows Americans as ridiculously competent. One reason the U.S. may be viewed as responsible for more blue-on-blue incidents is that the British called American aircraft to incorrect coordinates on 4 separate occasions, which I counted as British responsibility.
What are you even trying to say? Because you're not saying it.
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selfdenyingbeggar (12/15/2015) [-]
No, those data shows that the British are the ones with most friendly fire, followed by their cousins, the Americans.
Holy **** , that's because they make up the vast majority of troops (actually, the Americans, British, Australians, and a few Poles were the only ones in Iraq); everyone else in NATO put together made up less than 1/12 of coalition troops in Afghanistan and none in Iraq, while bearing responsibility for 8 of 26 FF incidents (I didn't include Afghan or Pakistani troops because they aren't NATO).
Uhuh, sure. "I don't have any source, but I believe something because I want to; you should to." They're obviously hiding all those American FF incidents without hiding any others, just because.
Russian state-run news? ******* lol. I'm done talking to you.
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humanityfckyeah (12/15/2015) [-]
Yet you will happily believe your american based new. Big brother is pleased.
I don't believe anyone's news, but privately run organizations with their own political views and interests are certainly more dependent on facts than state-run ones.
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selfdenyingbeggar (12/15/2015) [-]
Corporate Mainstream News (western media) are way more controlled. At least sputnik is officially run by the government, and thus, accountable in the eyes of the world.
This is talking about an incident which happened. A factual incident.
This is talking about an incident which happened. A factual incident.
You've bought in to propaganda if you believe our media is more controlled. But I shouldn't be surprised, because all of your news sources are government run. Also, that incident was on my list.
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selfdenyingbeggar (12/15/2015) [-]
You haven't done any research (or have common sense or memory, apparently 9/11 war drums beating for Iraq. Intervention in Syria blaming Assad's government for chemical attacks)
The people who put money for political campaigns are the ones who own the mainstream media corporations.
And again, Sputnik isn't presenting their opinion. They're talking about a fact.
The people who put money for political campaigns are the ones who own the mainstream media corporations.
And again, Sputnik isn't presenting their opinion. They're talking about a fact.
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urmomsagrot ONLINE (12/15/2015) [-]
Russia and America taking jabs at each other, whats new. They will take any opportunity to downplay the other that they get.
As others have said. We had more troops than any other country there. This is the same with gun violence, people always scream that we have the most gun violence despite just ONE of our states having the same population as the average country. They just never want to accept that more numbers = more opportunities.
The numbers aside, we also performed the most active roles within these theaters which put us in positions to make even more mistakes than the international fobbits and checkpoint guards.
TLDR, no, you're wrong.
As others have said. We had more troops than any other country there. This is the same with gun violence, people always scream that we have the most gun violence despite just ONE of our states having the same population as the average country. They just never want to accept that more numbers = more opportunities.
The numbers aside, we also performed the most active roles within these theaters which put us in positions to make even more mistakes than the international fobbits and checkpoint guards.
TLDR, no, you're wrong.
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selfdenyingbeggar (12/15/2015) [-]
Putin is in allience with a number of people who want to get rid of "the Cabal" (secret government sindicates). That's why it's not the "same old story" between Russia and the US.
Right now, actions are speaking for themselves in Syria. The reality of Daesh being a US creation is coming to light.
I agree on your argument about the numbers. That's why people were convinced that pot was a gateway drug, by manipulating their perception of data making it seem that because a lot of heroin users started with the illegal drug marihuana, then marihuana leads to harder drugs, instead of considering what percentage of pot smokers went into harder drugs (or considering alcohol as the first drug in general and not excepting it for being legal).
On the other hand, the US has shown time and time again that they don't care for civilian casualties. Which is why I don't think it is that far off that they commit more friendly fire than others.
Right now, actions are speaking for themselves in Syria. The reality of Daesh being a US creation is coming to light.
I agree on your argument about the numbers. That's why people were convinced that pot was a gateway drug, by manipulating their perception of data making it seem that because a lot of heroin users started with the illegal drug marihuana, then marihuana leads to harder drugs, instead of considering what percentage of pot smokers went into harder drugs (or considering alcohol as the first drug in general and not excepting it for being legal).
On the other hand, the US has shown time and time again that they don't care for civilian casualties. Which is why I don't think it is that far off that they commit more friendly fire than others.
"On the other hand, the US has shown time and time again that they don't care for civilian casualties. Which is why I don't think it is that far off that they commit more friendly fire than others. "
War is war. Innocent people die. That being said, we had the most restrictive obscene ROE overseas that we lost a lot of good men and women because we weren't allowed to shoot at something so obviously hostile so that we -wouldn't- kill innocents, so much so it was a problem.
Can you say the same for Russia in Syria right now? What about the regime that he is protecting? This isn't an accusation, I am asking a serious question.
War is war. Innocent people die. That being said, we had the most restrictive obscene ROE overseas that we lost a lot of good men and women because we weren't allowed to shoot at something so obviously hostile so that we -wouldn't- kill innocents, so much so it was a problem.
Can you say the same for Russia in Syria right now? What about the regime that he is protecting? This isn't an accusation, I am asking a serious question.
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selfdenyingbeggar (12/16/2015) [-]
Yeah. He is preventing Assad's regime from falling which is the last bastion of stability in that area. Remove him and you'll create another power vacuum and create yet another group like ISIL (I don't believe it was truly an accident, but according to their own narrative, they should know better by now).
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selfdenyingbeggar (12/15/2015) [-]
I'm talking possibilities here. i don't even remember where I read the original article. Could end up not being true.
your own data given here didn't support it that much. It only made it clear that British troops have more incidents of friendly fire
your own data given here didn't support it that much. It only made it clear that British troops have more incidents of friendly fire
Look at comment 93, it shows that other NATO nations are responsible for more than their share.
from what i've seen its the officers in the Marines that are tolerable and the regular soldiers are arrogant
also my dad was in the military and he's never had a good thing to say about Marines that he was on training operations with
ranging from "they can't do basic math in their heads" to "their most deadly weapons are their hands because they can't shoot straight"
although he did say that they're useful for soaking up all the enemies ammo before the real soldiers come in
also my dad was in the military and he's never had a good thing to say about Marines that he was on training operations with
ranging from "they can't do basic math in their heads" to "their most deadly weapons are their hands because they can't shoot straight"
although he did say that they're useful for soaking up all the enemies ammo before the real soldiers come in
"my daddy said that marines are stupid cuz he's in the Army, that makes them stupid cuz my daddy would never B.S."
You seriously sound like a 14 year old trying to base their argument on what their parents have said rather than any facts, or even your own personal observations.
You seriously sound like a 14 year old trying to base their argument on what their parents have said rather than any facts, or even your own personal observations.
well if they don't have soldiers that would explain why they're garbage
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urmomsagrot ONLINE (12/15/2015) [-]
Considering you have a high green thumb count you clearly aren't a troll, just retarded. US Marines are called "Marines" and US Army has "Soldiers". Whether or not you want to agree with that is up to you, but I would recommend refraining from taking another jab based around your lack of understanding.
actually i am a troll i just happen to also be legitimately funny sometimes
its called shaking it up
its called shaking it up
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seymourg (12/15/2015) [-] Go Navy beat Army Marines!
Nah but seriously I hate how people sh*t on Marines, or any of our armed forces. Everyone has bad people, of course. Either these guys are cherrypicking the bad marines or they happened to come across a small pocket of assholes. Either way, all this blatant disrespect, and the amount of positive support it gets on this website, is sickening. Jokes are fine, but that's all they are -- jokes.
And you know what, judging by this comment section, I don't even know what kind of thumbs I'll get. But at least I'm speaking from the heart and not for the sake of ad hominem or having a well-liked opinion.
Pic is comic relief because I'm such an Ensign Buzzkill.
Nah but seriously I hate how people sh*t on Marines, or any of our armed forces. Everyone has bad people, of course. Either these guys are cherrypicking the bad marines or they happened to come across a small pocket of assholes. Either way, all this blatant disrespect, and the amount of positive support it gets on this website, is sickening. Jokes are fine, but that's all they are -- jokes.
And you know what, judging by this comment section, I don't even know what kind of thumbs I'll get. But at least I'm speaking from the heart and not for the sake of ad hominem or having a well-liked opinion.
Pic is comic relief because I'm such an Ensign Buzzkill.
Hey Mo tard!
Blood hurts grass!
But blood dripping on the ground in the shade will make mushrooms grow in a few hours.
Blood hurts grass!
But blood dripping on the ground in the shade will make mushrooms grow in a few hours.
If they run off and bleed out under a fruit tree when you find them there will be mushrooms every where they bleed in the shade of the tree. Trust me
The Marine Corp isn't even it's own branch the emblem reads "Department of the Navy" and it only becomes it's own branch during war and we haven't been in an official war since WWII
They belong to the Navy they aren't their own branch. the US Marine Corps has many close ties to the US Navy, and the Department of the Navy oversees both service "branches", each having its own autonomous leadership (Marine Corps has its Commandant, US Navy has its Chief of Naval Operations, both leaders are members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and both branches are under civilian oversight of the Secretary of the Navy). In other words they are the Navy's bitch.
It isn't so much how the marines treat the other branches, it is more about how they treat everyone. They like to tell you that they are/were a marine as if you're going to drop to your knees and start sucking their dick. It isn't all of them but it is certainly a majority. I have also found that marine officers are far less likely to act like this and are usually far more dignified, so education/intelligence may be a factor in this.
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shigiddy ONLINE (12/15/2015) [-]
Honestly man, it's part of espirit de corps; when the Army lost control of Fallujah in 2004, who was called in to take it back? The Marines. When the Army was driven out of Chosin Reservoir, who was called in to cover their asses and held off the Chinese while taking all the Army's wounded back to safety? The Marines. Of course we talk that **** up, wouldn't you?
The problem is that **** like this goes both ways. The marines have had plenty of loses over the years and had to be bailed on from time to time as well. The job of the marines is literally to storm in and conquer and the army's job is to hold the conquered territory. Sometimes the marines fail at taking something and sometimes the army gets overwhelmed and fails to hold it. In a situation where a town/city is lost and is important enough, the marines will be sent back in to take it again. That is their ******* job. It is a dangerous job, but that is what they signed up for. The army's job is also dangerous because they are literally a sitting target. Stop acting like the marines are a bunch of bad asses because they have occasionally had to retake something they had taken once before. War is messy and never goes as planned.
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shigiddy ONLINE (12/16/2015) [-]
The reason Marines are badasses is because our job is the most dangerous part of warfare. Attacking an entrenched position is way harder than defending one, so the men doing the attacking have to be better than the ones defending. The tip of the spear is the part that sees the most action, and takes the most wear.
But when it comes down to it, Marines have a really ****** job; breaching enemy defenses is one of the hardest parts of warfare tactics-wise. And we prepare our bodies for that by having the toughest training and the highest standards. And we prepare our minds for it by talking big **** and acting like we're better than everyone else.
But when it comes down to it, Marines have a really ****** job; breaching enemy defenses is one of the hardest parts of warfare tactics-wise. And we prepare our bodies for that by having the toughest training and the highest standards. And we prepare our minds for it by talking big **** and acting like we're better than everyone else.
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selfdenyingbeggar (12/15/2015) [-]
I bet there have been other times where the marines had to be rescued. or perhaps their specialty is to be deployed, fresh, while the other branches have already taken the beating.
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anon (12/15/2015) [-]
It's actually usually the opposite. The Marines are a quick deploy expeditionary force with almost solely an offensive focus. They usually come take something, then the Army holds it. Then sometimes the Army loses it and cant get it back, so the Marines take it again.
Probably because they feel like it comes with the title, I guess. Never really took the time to ask one.
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wallsbad (12/16/2015) [-]
Because it comes with the brute dedication to wanting to be a Marine. We undergo the longest and most intense training of any branch. Even know a lot of POGs who are ****** hard chargers. We're ****** ass holes when we need to be and complete professionals when we need to be. We carry a higher standard than any other branch. Everyone knows a Marine when they see one, there's no second guessing it. It isn't conceptualized that we carry an air of "arrogant" pride. It's simply pride. I respect all those who took the oath for any branch, but my brothers and sisters in the Corps come first.
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selfdenyingbeggar (12/15/2015) [-]
i don't think he got angry. he just shared his experiences with them to add more informatio to the topic being discussed.