From my experience, the marines seems to attract the stupidest and most obnoxious people who then come out of boot as even bigger assholes because they think they are suddenly heroes because they joined the marines. I can only think of three marines that I have met that were decent people and the rest ranged from bad to outright terrible. They are the smallest of the four main branches of the US military and by far the most arrogant and often retarded.
Nah but seriously I hate how people sh*t on Marines, or any of our armed forces. Everyone has bad people, of course. Either these guys are cherrypicking the bad marines or they happened to come across a small pocket of assholes. Either way, all this blatant disrespect, and the amount of positive support it gets on this website, is sickening. Jokes are fine, but that's all they are -- jokes.
And you know what, judging by this comment section, I don't even know what kind of thumbs I'll get. But at least I'm speaking from the heart and not for the sake of ad hominem or having a well-liked opinion.
Pic is comic relief because I'm such an Ensign Buzzkill.
**anonymous used "*roll picture*"** **anonymous rolled image**Heres a story a Canadian soldier told me, his group was with a group of American soldiers and they raided a hide out, one of the Americans was about to throw a grenade into the basement but the Canadian soldier said that isn't how they do it and told him not to throw it, much to the dismay of the American. It turns out there was a **** ton of explosive materials that would have killed everyone had they thrown the grenade. Americans are so use to fighting that they don't know it's smarter to check before you attack even if there's no "bad guys" there, Canadian soldiers are use to peace keeping so they don't have the reflex to shoot first ask later.
**** like entering a basement without fragging it first and getting shot 12 times happens a lot more though.
Just because the Canadians were right once about not fragging a basement doesn't mean it's suddenly tactically wise to go about clearing buildings without frags on a regular basis.
Yeah? Here's the thing, I've heard similar stories told about troops from almost every NATO nation by people from other ones. Everyone wants to make themselves look better. You know what they all have in common? They're made up; yours in particular goes against have a hundred military doctrines, so either you made it up or the person telling you the story did.
No duh, they had something like 20x more troops there than the 2nd most contributing nation did. It's extremely statistically improbably that they WOULDN'T have the most incidents of it.
It's hard to fire on another unit from your own nation when you're the only unit from your nation there.
There have been 13 friendly fire incidents during the War in Iraq. Keep in mind the majority of troops in Iraq were Americans. 7 of them were committed by Americans, 2 of which were caused by mechanical errors, one of which was a faulty friend or foe tag in a British aircraft. Another was caused by Kurdish fighters hanging around a bomb-making facility and refusing to lower their weapons from the American troops. That leaves Americans at fault for 4 Friendly Fire incidents, unless you count the manufacturer of the anti-aircraft weapon that malfunctioned. British troops were responsible for another 5, they were far less numerous, and all of their incidents came from rifle or tank fire NOT from technical glitches. That shows American troops as more competent, if anything.
Americans were responsible for 5 FF incidents in Afghanistan. Germans were responsible for one, New Zealanders for one, Afghans for two, Pakistanis for one, British for 13 (possibly 12), Canadians for 4, Dutch for one, and Danes for one. The U.S. made up two-thirds of the coalition in both conflicts, with the British contributing nearly another third. If anything, this shows Americans as ridiculously competent. One reason the U.S. may be viewed as responsible for more blue-on-blue incidents is that the British called American aircraft to incorrect coordinates on 4 separate occasions, which I counted as British responsibility.
Uhuh, sure. "I don't have any source, but I believe something because I want to; you should to." They're obviously hiding all those American FF incidents without hiding any others, just because.
I don't believe anyone's news, but privately run organizations with their own political views and interests are certainly more dependent on facts than state-run ones.
Corporate Mainstream News (western media) are way more controlled. At least sputnik is officially run by the government, and thus, accountable in the eyes of the world.
This is talking about an incident which happened. A factual incident.
You've bought in to propaganda if you believe our media is more controlled. But I shouldn't be surprised, because all of your news sources are government run. Also, that incident was on my list.
You haven't done any research (or have common sense or memory, apparently 9/11 war drums beating for Iraq. Intervention in Syria blaming Assad's government for chemical attacks)
The people who put money for political campaigns are the ones who own the mainstream media corporations.
And again, Sputnik isn't presenting their opinion. They're talking about a fact.
Russia and America taking jabs at each other, whats new. They will take any opportunity to downplay the other that they get.
As others have said. We had more troops than any other country there. This is the same with gun violence, people always scream that we have the most gun violence despite just ONE of our states having the same population as the average country. They just never want to accept that more numbers = more opportunities.
The numbers aside, we also performed the most active roles within these theaters which put us in positions to make even more mistakes than the international fobbits and checkpoint guards.
Putin is in allience with a number of people who want to get rid of "the Cabal" (secret government sindicates). That's why it's not the "same old story" between Russia and the US.
Right now, actions are speaking for themselves in Syria. The reality of Daesh being a US creation is coming to light.
I agree on your argument about the numbers. That's why people were convinced that pot was a gateway drug, by manipulating their perception of data making it seem that because a lot of heroin users started with the illegal drug marihuana, then marihuana leads to harder drugs, instead of considering what percentage of pot smokers went into harder drugs (or considering alcohol as the first drug in general and not excepting it for being legal).
On the other hand, the US has shown time and time again that they don't care for civilian casualties. Which is why I don't think it is that far off that they commit more friendly fire than others.
"On the other hand, the US has shown time and time again that they don't care for civilian casualties. Which is why I don't think it is that far off that they commit more friendly fire than others. "
War is war. Innocent people die. That being said, we had the most restrictive obscene ROE overseas that we lost a lot of good men and women because we weren't allowed to shoot at something so obviously hostile so that we -wouldn't- kill innocents, so much so it was a problem.
Can you say the same for Russia in Syria right now? What about the regime that he is protecting? This isn't an accusation, I am asking a serious question.
Yeah. He is preventing Assad's regime from falling which is the last bastion of stability in that area. Remove him and you'll create another power vacuum and create yet another group like ISIL (I don't believe it was truly an accident, but according to their own narrative, they should know better by now).
"""""Yeah? Here's the thing, I've heard similar stories told about troops from almost every NATO nation by people from other ones. Everyone wants to make themselves look better.""""
naw baby this is why we hate on Americans this right here, becasue you know why its wrong yet off you go
Holy **** , that's because they make up the vast majority of troops (actually, the Americans, British, Australians, and a few Poles were the only ones in Iraq); everyone else in NATO put together made up less than 1/12 of coalition troops in Afghanistan and none in Iraq, while bearing responsibility for 8 of 26 FF incidents (I didn't include Afghan or Pakistani troops because they aren't NATO).
no, no and no.
Canadians, British, Danish, US, Latvian etc. etc. infantry soldiers ALL follow the same doctrins, ESPECIALLY in joint operations.
Some are more experienced than others, and that shows exactly in situations like this.
Deployments often run at a faster pace than you train for. Hence, you don't always check before 'nading the **** out of a compound.
I've seen enough men and women killed, to know that I probably half my chances of getting back alive, if I stick my head into every room in a compound without throwing in a grenade first.
Unless we're talking about possible civilians or hostages inside.
Also I'm a danish infantry soldier, and to me, US marines are some of the best men I've fought besides.
Pic of Canadian soldiers stacking up. Definitely gonna toss a 'nade in that hole.
Theu are frequently ranked lowly at military exercises with other countries. The fact is, while America has a lot, and generally amongst the best armed. They are mostly of lower quality soldiers
It isn't so much how the marines treat the other branches, it is more about how they treat everyone. They like to tell you that they are/were a marine as if you're going to drop to your knees and start sucking their dick. It isn't all of them but it is certainly a majority. I have also found that marine officers are far less likely to act like this and are usually far more dignified, so education/intelligence may be a factor in this.
Honestly man, it's part of espirit de corps; when the Army lost control of Fallujah in 2004, who was called in to take it back? The Marines. When the Army was driven out of Chosin Reservoir, who was called in to cover their asses and held off the Chinese while taking all the Army's wounded back to safety? The Marines. Of course we talk that **** up, wouldn't you?
I bet there have been other times where the marines had to be rescued. or perhaps their specialty is to be deployed, fresh, while the other branches have already taken the beating.
It's actually usually the opposite. The Marines are a quick deploy expeditionary force with almost solely an offensive focus. They usually come take something, then the Army holds it. Then sometimes the Army loses it and cant get it back, so the Marines take it again.
The problem is that **** like this goes both ways. The marines have had plenty of loses over the years and had to be bailed on from time to time as well. The job of the marines is literally to storm in and conquer and the army's job is to hold the conquered territory. Sometimes the marines fail at taking something and sometimes the army gets overwhelmed and fails to hold it. In a situation where a town/city is lost and is important enough, the marines will be sent back in to take it again. That is their ******* job. It is a dangerous job, but that is what they signed up for. The army's job is also dangerous because they are literally a sitting target. Stop acting like the marines are a bunch of bad asses because they have occasionally had to retake something they had taken once before. War is messy and never goes as planned.
The reason Marines are badasses is because our job is the most dangerous part of warfare. Attacking an entrenched position is way harder than defending one, so the men doing the attacking have to be better than the ones defending. The tip of the spear is the part that sees the most action, and takes the most wear.
But when it comes down to it, Marines have a really ****** job; breaching enemy defenses is one of the hardest parts of warfare tactics-wise. And we prepare our bodies for that by having the toughest training and the highest standards. And we prepare our minds for it by talking big **** and acting like we're better than everyone else.
Army, but I shared a post with Marines. We'll give them **** when they're around for a little banter, but they'll ********* any branch no matter who's around.
Because it comes with the brute dedication to wanting to be a Marine. We undergo the longest and most intense training of any branch. Even know a lot of POGs who are ****** hard chargers. We're ****** ass holes when we need to be and complete professionals when we need to be. We carry a higher standard than any other branch. Everyone knows a Marine when they see one, there's no second guessing it. It isn't conceptualized that we carry an air of "arrogant" pride. It's simply pride. I respect all those who took the oath for any branch, but my brothers and sisters in the Corps come first.
The Marine Corp isn't even it's own branch the emblem reads "Department of the Navy" and it only becomes it's own branch during war and we haven't been in an official war since WWII
"Department of the Navy" isn't a branch, genius. The Navy, Marine Corps, and (during wartime) Coast Guard are 3 branches under 1 government department (which is what the "Department of the Navy" is)
They belong to the Navy they aren't their own branch. the US Marine Corps has many close ties to the US Navy, and the Department of the Navy oversees both service "branches", each having its own autonomous leadership (Marine Corps has its Commandant, US Navy has its Chief of Naval Operations, both leaders are members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and both branches are under civilian oversight of the Secretary of the Navy). In other words they are the Navy's bitch.
**anonymous used "*roll picture*"** **anonymous rolled image**I agree we are arrogant but its towards other branches. yes we think we're the best. yes we think we're badass. yes we think we are the **** and of course our dicks are bigger than everyone else's . but it comes with the territory. There's nothing like a good old fashioned brawl between the services. but at the same time because we are so small, we treat each other a helluva lot better than those in the other services. we have small unit leadership and our own traditions. It's just second nature to make fun of everybody else.
Competitiveness between the branches is fine, but I am talking about how most marines I have met act around civilians. They act like they are better than everyone, not just members of the other military branches. They act like it is difficult to get into the marines, and judging by a number of former classmates of mine from high school, they seem to take just about everyone. I understand they do a dangerous job, but the decision to do that job is on them. Nobody forced them to enlist with the marines and simply being a marine does not make you better than anyone else. All I'm saying is that the members of other military branches that I have met have generally been far less douchey about their service than the bulk of the marines I have met and I really don't understand why. My best guess is that it is either that the marines tends to attract douche bags or they somehow instill this arrogance in them during training. Personally, I think they just attract more douche bags because I have met a small number of marines that have been extremely polite and just all around descent people, but they are a very small minority.
Everyone comes out of boot as an asshole...that's an "18 year old that thinks he's cool" thing, not a USMC thing (seen fcking national guardsmen even do the same crap).
Ironically it's the fleet Marines that put them back in their place, and kindly (not really so kindly...) and make them stop being douchebags.
In my experience the higher ranked officers who have been in longer are usually kinder to civilians. It's the god damned PFCs that are the cuntiest of the bunch.
Completely agree. Of the three I have known to not be giant dicks, one was a colonel before retiring, one was a lieutenant, and the third was drafted during Vietnam and was mostly left along by the enlisted marines. All of them served and retired/left the corps more than three decades ago, which may have something to do with it as well. The other several dozen I have met are mostly arrogant asses that make sure you know they were marines and seem to expect you to kiss their ass because they think they are heroes simply because they joined the marines.
Uhuh. Sure you did. I'm sure you have no bias, considering you said UN troops were worse than ISIS. You have a lot of fantastical tales with no source that everyone buys for some reason.
It's also irrelevant, and clearly shows an anti-Western bias. ISIS slaughters people who disagree with them, UN troops cause collateral damage. Considering the UN is around 30 times as old as ISIS, and has been involved in dozens of armed conflicts over those years, the statistics are a little lopsided. It's like saying "whites commit more terrorist attacks than Arabs in the U.S." when whites (including Hispanics) make up over 80% of the population, while Arabs make up less than .3%. You see how this skews things?
What? UN protectorates, which have no special history of violence or anything, and are primarily interim governments set up during transitional periods that have been largely successful? Is that what you're talking about? You may actually be retarded. You just throw out single words (again with none of your own sources) and expect me to find something negative where there is none.
Yes, that's why they include them in crime stats for whites, and why Zimmerman was called white. They can't have it both ways, where only Europeans are termed white when it's convenient, but Hispanics are included if it makes whites look bad.
Don't bother. You'll get no actual sources, just a bunch of conjecture and "personal experiences" from this total badass with like 3 quintillion confirmed kills who's seen every major event of the last century, especially the ones that didn't happen.
"my daddy said that marines are stupid cuz he's in the Army, that makes them stupid cuz my daddy would never B.S."
You seriously sound like a 14 year old trying to base their argument on what their parents have said rather than any facts, or even your own personal observations.
Considering the Marine Corps doesn't have "soldiers" it's hard for any of us to take you seriously about how well you understand the Marine Corps when you call them "soldiers".
Considering you have a high green thumb count you clearly aren't a troll, just retarded. US Marines are called "Marines" and US Army has "Soldiers". Whether or not you want to agree with that is up to you, but I would recommend refraining from taking another jab based around your lack of understanding.
The Marine Corps is the only branch that doesn't get BAH at E-4. Join any other branch for your own apartment/house. You will have hundreds of extra dollars per month, and can have pets. **** barracks life. Also forget 8 hour workdays if you join the Marine Corps. I'm working 60 hour workweeks right now. Basically what I'm saying is it's not too late to change your mind, don't ******* do it.
modern marines, yes, Vietnam and before, those guys were actually less clueless than the other branches, cause they got dropped into the same/worse **** and got it done. though I do agree with the statement, I feel its more directed towards command rather than those in direct leadership of the grunts. Generation Kill is an eye opener on this, corporals and sergeants actually had brains, captains and above were so ******* dumb they actually managed to have that be their saving grace on a danger close artie drop because they forgot the grid signs. (all to earn a medal, apparently you can get one for being close to a dumbass and calling in a mortar strike within 600 meters, at that distance, not exactly smart, but 200m like in this show, pants-on-head retarded)
Generation Kill is one of the best military shows i have ever seen.
I can relate to their feelings on having people higher up than them in the food chain being border line retarded/lazy.
I work in construction on a power plant and it is run by old turds set in their ways that do almost nothing to help build this damn site. while i see pretty much all the people in the field doing the actual labor finding issues and solving it themselves.
I don't think you're correct on that. Unless you meant the scores of the marines and not the ASVAB requirements, if that's the case, excuse me I'm misreading your comment.
I think the Air Force has the highest requirement, with the Marine Corps being 2nd lowest. But that changes depending on your MOS I think.
The scores for entering each branch are around the 30-ish mark, but that seems extremely low compared to the scores of a majority of the people I asked (about 130-150 people) is there a reason it's so low?
They're just the bottom line requirements for joining the branch. And for branches, like the Marine Corps for instance, there's a **** ton of different jobs that require a varied score on your ASVAB, infantry being lower, Aviation engineer being higher.
But since people that join the military are usually motivated and dedicated, they work harder to not be mentally retarded, and do this simple thing called study a little. When that happens, it's really easy to get a pretty good ASVAB score. Me personally, I didn't study and just jumped into it, still got like a 74 I think. But damn if I actually studied a little for the workshop or electrical engineering portions, oh man I would have kicked ass.
Well technically yes. You have a **** ton of options regardless, and you'll have a **** ton more options if you have a high score. But that still depends a lot on your choices and what you want to do.
Qualifying for the branch you want (or all the branches like many including myself) is one thing. Then having a certain score for your desired Military Occupational Specialty (MOS), is next. Anyway, having a score like 75, means you can qualify for most of what the military has to offer, I think.
Now if you mean once you're back into civilian life, then that depends more on your service than your score, and what you did. People always say "Get an MOS you can bring back with you once you're a civilian again". Which means military offer on the job training for various advanced subjects, usually involving stuff like engineering and electronics. So having that on your resume, looks kick ass to potential employers.
Well first I believe the ASVAB only goes to 99. But generally the low scoring jobs are not hard to train people to do. Also if you go to a requiter with a 32 they will most likely not want to talk to you until you score higher. When I singed my ASVAB was around 84ish and the requiter said that they get more "points" or something along that line for people above 70s so that is who they look for first.
yeah, basically Marine corps (as far as combat elements) has the most common sense near the lower rungs of command, people with situational awareness and first-hand experience. people go into the marines cause they hear overwhelming stories of that branch being the best of the best, and see how it can lead to having the means of making a better future, so those truly smart don't stay long, and those too dumb to do anything else, stay on and become higher in rank and put in charge. that's all I can really gather from what I've seen and heard. it's basically the whole "bullies in high school become cops so they can push around people with impunity" thing, "those who aren't smart enough to make something of themselves need to boss around others to make themselves feel more important". not exactly perfectly true, but enough evidence falls in line for some to be able to call it a theory
Once again, Lean is the one source of common sense. I ******* hate these circle jerk threads, because if I say anything against the circle jerk, I'll get thumbed down and ignored. It's best to wait for a different post to say anything, because you'll likely just get spammed and ignored.
It's a joke but it's kind of true. My uncle was a pretty cool guy before he went into the marines and when he came back home he was a bit of a nut. Wouldn't let his hair grow back out, talked about violence constantly, showed me stickdeath (back when stick figures were cool on the internet) Like a sheep turned into an edgelorde.
**arsenymous used "*roll picture*"** **arsenymous rolled image**Infantry marines only appear stupid to civilians because they post stupid **** to get a laugh. When it comes to our job we are very serious and professional. We take great safety precautions to ensure no harm comes to innocent civilians nowadays. I apologize in advance for not being able to take this joke.
My mother was a Marine in the 70s and 80s. She tells me that the majority of the people in Lejeune were excited to get 40% on the ASVAB. She told no one that she got a 92%.
What the **** did you just ******* say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills.
I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the **** out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my ******* words. You think you can get away with saying that **** to me over the Internet? Think again, ****** . As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re ******* dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little **** . If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your ******* tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will **** fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re ******* dead, kiddo.
Except...
The USMC has to be creative. The way the supply chain works means they have to requisition supplies from either the Navy (which gets them supplies tied up with about 50 metric ******** of red tape) or the Coast Guard (which gets them ****** supplies, because the government doesn't give much funding to the Coast Guard).
The majority of stories involving "unconventional" weaponry (e.g., loading a flare gun with a 12 gauge shell) will involve a Marine, because that's how they're forced to operate.
People thumb this down because they don't think it's true...
But I have stories of Marine units literally getting sent to war without humvees and sending recon Marines into Army outposts to steal vehicles from them and repaint them with USMC...
This stuff is real...Marines are the McGyvers of the military branches.
Tha's ****** Ice coild, Canada, but I expect nothing else aside from the obvious monopoly money, maple syrup, and mooses from your frozen wasteland of a country.
Atleast Canada isn't a burning house with no doors. You are the most hated people on the planet. The day your country begins to crumble from all its horrible mistakes. No one will want you. Essentially your country will be reduced to the same status as North Korea. The United States of Murica is on the edge of either complete economic anarchy or a bloody civil war that will be started by either Racism or your "governement" trying to take away your guns.
I will glady take this lovely frozen wasteland over a smoldering pit of hate and self righteous greed. Good luck and have fun Murica.