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therealtjthemedic (12/23/2015) [-] Some people are making a harry potter play, cast a black chick as hermione.
Everyone goes
'WAAAAH WHY THE **** DO BLACK PEOPLE GET TO BE IN THE PLAY ******* SJWS'
JK goes 'Oh **** , c'mon guys. Black hermione's okay. I like that idea"
Everyone else goes 'fug u, you said she was white'
JK goes "Oh **** , ******
Everyone goes
'WAAAAH WHY THE **** DO BLACK PEOPLE GET TO BE IN THE PLAY ******* SJWS'
JK goes 'Oh **** , c'mon guys. Black hermione's okay. I like that idea"
Everyone else goes 'fug u, you said she was white'
JK goes "Oh **** , ******
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cdsams (12/23/2015) [-] Exactly. It's not like a big budget remake is coming out with a black Hermonie; it's a play. I'm assuming it's not a horrendous "Wizard of Oz" remake like "The Wiz." Maybe she is a talented actor who really likes and takes inspiration from Hermonie's character? No reason to get all up in arms.
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nobleneon (12/23/2015) [-] www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=What+is+blind+casting
This is something that happens quite a bit in theater. If a person can act the role, they get it, regardless of race.
This is something that happens quite a bit in theater. If a person can act the role, they get it, regardless of race.
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nobleneon (12/23/2015) [-] I think you missed thee whole point I tried to get across. Her being white had absolutely no effect on the story, none what so ever. If Harry Potters main focus was on race relations, then yes, your argument would be valid, but its not. Hermione would have been the EXACT same person if JKR made her black, asain, or anything else.
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daniboyi (12/23/2015) [-] It is still a detail that should not be ignored for the sake of it being 'the easy choice'.
I mean, the height of Legolas had no effect on the story whatsoever in LoTR, but I am pretty sure that people would have flipped majorly, if they casted a midget actor as him.
I mean, the height of Legolas had no effect on the story whatsoever in LoTR, but I am pretty sure that people would have flipped majorly, if they casted a midget actor as him.
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Ruspanic (12/23/2015) [-] It's not like they're sitting around contemplating "hmm, what race should we make these characters" and then casting accordingly. It's a play. The actress was likely chosen based on her audition and acting credentials.
Considering J.K. Rowling herself is working on this play, it's not fair to say the creators have no knowledge of the source material.
Considering J.K. Rowling herself is working on this play, it's not fair to say the creators have no knowledge of the source material.
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Ruspanic (12/23/2015) [-] Come on, you're being dishonest. MLK is known for being the most famous black civil rights leader in America. It'd be like making Hitler black - it just wouldn't make sense considering who he was.
Actually the race of real historical figures in general is important because we all know race has a significant impact on a person's lived experience. By contrast, fictional characters do not have fully fleshed-out lives and the impact of race in their lives can be glossed over, in the same way that you don't have to explore all of their family relationships or their favorite foods, etc. Or you can just pretend they live in a world where race doesn't matter.
Hermione is on the opposite end of the spectrum from MLK as far as how much race matters. She's assumed to be white because she's an English girl with an English surname and because all of the non-white characters in the series are either explicitly stated to have dark skin (Dean Thomas, Kingsley Shacklebolt, Lee Jordan, etc) or have obviously foreign names (Cho Chang, the Patil twins, etc), but she's not explicitly stated to be Caucasian and it really doesn't matter. Race is not a theme in any part of any of the books.
Actually the race of real historical figures in general is important because we all know race has a significant impact on a person's lived experience. By contrast, fictional characters do not have fully fleshed-out lives and the impact of race in their lives can be glossed over, in the same way that you don't have to explore all of their family relationships or their favorite foods, etc. Or you can just pretend they live in a world where race doesn't matter.
Hermione is on the opposite end of the spectrum from MLK as far as how much race matters. She's assumed to be white because she's an English girl with an English surname and because all of the non-white characters in the series are either explicitly stated to have dark skin (Dean Thomas, Kingsley Shacklebolt, Lee Jordan, etc) or have obviously foreign names (Cho Chang, the Patil twins, etc), but she's not explicitly stated to be Caucasian and it really doesn't matter. Race is not a theme in any part of any of the books.
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daniboyi (12/23/2015) [-] it isn't about race.
It is about the people behind the play having no idea of what they are creating a play from.
To suddenly change details about the characters left and right, because they are too lazy to try and cast a few more actresses is not saying much about the play itself.
It is about the people behind the play having no idea of what they are creating a play from.
To suddenly change details about the characters left and right, because they are too lazy to try and cast a few more actresses is not saying much about the play itself.
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nobleneon (12/23/2015) [-] >Its not about race
The only points you have been making is that the actress isn't white. I think you are very disillusion, and if you cant see the flaw in your logic, you wont be able to see past it, and understand what anyone else is saying. So with that, I think i'm done talking to you.
The only points you have been making is that the actress isn't white. I think you are very disillusion, and if you cant see the flaw in your logic, you wont be able to see past it, and understand what anyone else is saying. So with that, I think i'm done talking to you.
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nobleneon (12/23/2015) [-] You have no proof that they are being lazy. You where not there during casting. If any director with a lick of sense see someone come in, play the role of Hermione damn good, they would cast them, regardless of race, you know why? Because MOST people, feel a connection to the character based on their personality, not their race. You are just showing me that all you care about is that Hermione isnt white. Why that bothers you, I have no idea, and only you do. Although you have that right to be upset about something as superficial as that, that doesnt make it any less stupid.
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Airmanator (12/23/2015) [-] Because it feels like shoehorning for the sake of diversity.
Remember the Avatar movie where they cast the Chinese characters as Indians? Yeah. Imagine if Blade was cast as Kurt Russel or Rom Pearlman. Create new characters instead of changing them to suit an agenda.
Remember the Avatar movie where they cast the Chinese characters as Indians? Yeah. Imagine if Blade was cast as Kurt Russel or Rom Pearlman. Create new characters instead of changing them to suit an agenda.
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brobathehutt (12/23/2015) [-] They cast the Japanese (fire nation) characters as Indian, the Chinese in Avatar are the Earth kingdom / Mongolia / Manchuria, which is why its so huge. Funnily enough though you used the wrong example, because the fire nation had the best actors in that movie. The biggest insult in that movie was with the Water Tribe. Whiter than snow when they're supposed to be Eskimos? And what's worse Sakka and Katara were so goddamned terrible it hurt. Sakka didn't make jokes.
However you're right that shoehorning for the sake of diversity is beyond retarded, I just want to clear up the confusion about the issues with the avatar movie.
However you're right that shoehorning for the sake of diversity is beyond retarded, I just want to clear up the confusion about the issues with the avatar movie.
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Airmanator (12/23/2015) [-] Honestly I'll admit I haven't watched that movie, but only that I heard the miscasted the races. Buddy of mine is/was a gigantic Avatar fan and he was definitely sure to tell me about it, hah.
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brobathehutt (12/23/2015) [-] I haven't watched it either, but I saw a review for it on youtube and that was all I needed to realize how ****** it was.
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fukkentyranitar (12/23/2015) [-] The same reason people complain about not having a White Entertainment Channel and an all black rendition of The Wizard of Oz.
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vegasstoner (12/23/2015) [-]
thats what he was saying. the grammer made it kind of sound like there was neither but he's saying there isnt a white entertainment channel while theres a black rendition of wiz.
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Ruspanic (12/23/2015) [-] Basically there's going to be a stage play called Harry Potter and the Cursed Child, which is a sequel to the book series that takes place 19 years later. Apparently something's wrong with Harry's son, Albus, and the plot revolves around Harry trying to deal with that.
The casting was just announced and Hermione is played by a black woman. So some people are flipping out about that. For her part. J.K. Rowling said she approves of the casting and claims (perhaps disingenuously) that she never said Hermione was white in the books.
Frankly it's an overblown controversy. Race-bending and even gender-bending happens all the time in stage plays. This play will premiere in the West End theater in London and those are the actors who will be playing the protagonists there, but if the play ever comes to other theaters it might have a different cast.
The casting was just announced and Hermione is played by a black woman. So some people are flipping out about that. For her part. J.K. Rowling said she approves of the casting and claims (perhaps disingenuously) that she never said Hermione was white in the books.
Frankly it's an overblown controversy. Race-bending and even gender-bending happens all the time in stage plays. This play will premiere in the West End theater in London and those are the actors who will be playing the protagonists there, but if the play ever comes to other theaters it might have a different cast.
![[Ent] Should we care if there is a Black Hermione?](https://img.youtube.com/vi/6Ppk5Fhl-VU/default.jpg)
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platinumaltaria ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] Because of the ********* that would ensue if Dean Thomas was made white.
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catpisseverdeen (12/23/2015) [-] It is blackwashing a beloved character of mine for the purpose of diversifying a novel. It's the same issue I had with the black guy in the new Star Wars movie. Deliberately anti-white.
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thrifty (12/23/2015) [-] I think the worst thing that can happen is 'there's not enough black/ethnically diverse actors in our movie, let's hire people based solely on skin-colour'.
I have no issue with films with white or black actors, what I worry about is all of a sudden studios worrying about having too few black actors and casting some purely on race alone, to fit diversity quotas; surely nothing could be more demeaning to both actor and film-goer?
I have no issue with films with white or black actors, what I worry about is all of a sudden studios worrying about having too few black actors and casting some purely on race alone, to fit diversity quotas; surely nothing could be more demeaning to both actor and film-goer?
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thrifty (12/23/2015) [-] I'm on the fence a bit about source material; such as if the character was a black slave, maybe having a white guy play it could be seen as poor form, etc.
But hopefully in my lifetime people will chill the **** out about race in general and the merits of spiderman 23 won't be given on how much a black actor looks like the original peter parker, and more because the film was or wasn't good.
Another bad storm brewing is some of the movies where everyone is black purely because the world 'needs more black actors/films', it's starting to go too far the other way in those cases, and that creates more backlash.
But hopefully in my lifetime people will chill the **** out about race in general and the merits of spiderman 23 won't be given on how much a black actor looks like the original peter parker, and more because the film was or wasn't good.
Another bad storm brewing is some of the movies where everyone is black purely because the world 'needs more black actors/films', it's starting to go too far the other way in those cases, and that creates more backlash.
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jasir (12/23/2015) [-] Let me react to you by something, where political corectness does not rampage freely - sexuality:
www.psychologytoday.com/blog/pop-psych/201401/what-does-online-dating-tell-us-about-racial-views
www.psychologytoday.com/blog/pop-psych/201401/what-does-online-dating-tell-us-about-racial-views
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catpisseverdeen (12/23/2015) [-] It's not that Finn is black, that's not what I have an issue with. I have an issue with the deliberate blackwashing of characters for the sake of an agenda that is being shoved down my throat 24/7. Hermoine has been stated several times as having white skin.
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mayoroftownsville ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-]
Was she though? Do you have a source on that?
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catpisseverdeen (12/23/2015) [-] Accidentally deleted my comment; I'm retarded. I am too, don't worry.
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twiceasfun (12/23/2015) [-] Black characters are antiwhite. Holy **** that made less sense than any claim of racism I have ever heard
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catpisseverdeen (12/23/2015) [-] Why are you putting ******* words in my mouth? That is not the problem here. If JJ made another character that was black and original, that's fine. But replacing whites for an agenda is wrong.
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twiceasfun (12/23/2015) [-] I'm not putting words in your mouth. You're that one that compared it to a black character in star wars and called that antiwhite
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catpisseverdeen (12/23/2015) [-] It's antiwhite because it replaces white characters for the sake of "I'm sick of all the white people". It's not only anti-white, it's racist.
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twiceasfun (12/23/2015) [-] The black guy in the new Star Wars didn't replace any white characters.
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catpisseverdeen (12/23/2015) [-] starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Finn_Galfridian the character was originally white.
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catpisseverdeen (12/23/2015) [-] The main character was white. She is changing her race for the purpose of a diversity quota, which happens to be anti-white. Why are you throwing insults around? ******* hate liberals man. I can never have a decent conversation with them.
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ericzxvc (12/23/2015) [-] The purpose isn't "anti-white" that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You can maybe say that it is for diversity but that doesn't mean "anti-white", it just means not just white people.
Not that it's either, here's a Tweet from Rowling, you know the author.
Canon: brown eyes, frizzy hair and very clever. White skin was never specified. Rowling loves black Hermione.
This is such a stupid argument because Hermione being white is not in any way relevant to who her character is so why would you even give a **** .
So keep on going on about how you know Harry Potter better than the person who wrote it.
Not that it's either, here's a Tweet from Rowling, you know the author.
Canon: brown eyes, frizzy hair and very clever. White skin was never specified. Rowling loves black Hermione.
This is such a stupid argument because Hermione being white is not in any way relevant to who her character is so why would you even give a **** .
So keep on going on about how you know Harry Potter better than the person who wrote it.
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catpisseverdeen (12/23/2015) [-] Never mind the fact that she's been stated have white skin several times.
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catpisseverdeen (12/23/2015) [-] Welp, it's the same thing. Except this time, J.J. Abrams has come out and said that the audience and cast are "too white".
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greatgranpapy (12/23/2015) [-] Hey, Abrams picked Fin's actor out specifically because he thought he'd be good for the role, just because an actor is black doesn't mean he's furthering the political correctness ******** .
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catpisseverdeen (12/23/2015) [-] Yes he actually is furthering the political correctness ******** . He said it himself that the audience and cast where to white for him. He may have picked Finn for his acting skill which is fine by me, by why couldn't JJ just create a new and original character? , but he also picked him for his race, which is demeaning and unfair.
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catpisseverdeen (12/23/2015) [-] Don't get me wrong, he's a good actor, and I like him, but ffs this **** is getting ridiculous.
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mayoroftownsville ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-]
But Fin was amazing. How was it anti-white? A movie isn't allowed to have one single black character or it triggers you?
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catpisseverdeen (12/23/2015) [-] Fin was amazing, the issue is that they changed a white character into a black one for a ******* agenda. Replacing white people is wrong.
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mayoroftownsville ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-]
>Jedi
>Not a stormtrooper
>Has a family
Seems like a completely different character who happens to have the same first name.
>Not a stormtrooper
>Has a family
Seems like a completely different character who happens to have the same first name.
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catpisseverdeen (12/23/2015) [-] Finn was white originally. Casting a black protagonist that was originally white for the purpose of "There are too many white people" - J.J. Abams is racist. There's no getting around that.
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Ruspanic (12/23/2015) [-] Huh. I wasn't aware of that. (Though it's non-canon now, isn't it?)
Regardless, I don't think Abrams's choice and reasoning was racist. Black people really are underrepresented in film and particularly in the Star Wars universe - and we know they exist, because Mace Windu and Lando Calrissian. Might as well use your platform to help redress social problems. If the guy they cast did a good job, then there's no issue.
Regardless, I don't think Abrams's choice and reasoning was racist. Black people really are underrepresented in film and particularly in the Star Wars universe - and we know they exist, because Mace Windu and Lando Calrissian. Might as well use your platform to help redress social problems. If the guy they cast did a good job, then there's no issue.
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catpisseverdeen (12/23/2015) [-] So then why not create a new and original work? I don't have an issue with black people in the movies. And his reasoning is racist. Casting roles because your race fits the agenda is not only wrong, it's demeaning. But yes, he did a great job in the movie.
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Ruspanic (12/23/2015) [-] I have no idea why he chose to reuse an existing character when that character's isn't even considered canon any more. Are you sure it's the same character? Do they share similarities besides the first name? (I haven't seen the movie yet and don't want to read the wiki in case there are spoilers.)
Considering all the speculation about who Finn was before the movie came out, you'd think someone would have noticed that there was an existing character matching his description.
Anyway, you're making it sound like Abrams is using John Boyega as a pawn in some nefarious personal agenda, but it's not like Boyega didn't agree to this. It's not demeaning at all if it's an agenda that actually benefits black people and serves the common good. I mean, diversity in movies doesn't rank that high on the list of important issues, but it's still there. It's not racism in the sense of discriminating against white people, it's an attempt to redress an existing problem that negatively affects racial minorities in particular.
Also, more generally, I don't think there's anything wrong with using your art to push an agenda. Star Trek used to do this sort of thing all the time.
Considering all the speculation about who Finn was before the movie came out, you'd think someone would have noticed that there was an existing character matching his description.
Anyway, you're making it sound like Abrams is using John Boyega as a pawn in some nefarious personal agenda, but it's not like Boyega didn't agree to this. It's not demeaning at all if it's an agenda that actually benefits black people and serves the common good. I mean, diversity in movies doesn't rank that high on the list of important issues, but it's still there. It's not racism in the sense of discriminating against white people, it's an attempt to redress an existing problem that negatively affects racial minorities in particular.
Also, more generally, I don't think there's anything wrong with using your art to push an agenda. Star Trek used to do this sort of thing all the time.
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catpisseverdeen (12/23/2015) [-] I didn't go and replace a black character with a white one because I'm sick of all the black people in the audience and cast.
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europe (12/23/2015) [-] Because it is retarded to make a character something it is not
You're not going to make James Bond, the womanizer, gay. That's just contradictory to everything he has been for decades.
You're not going to make a character with anglo-saxon first name and surname, who has been described as 'pale' in occasion in the book black all of the sudden.
You're not going to make James Bond, the womanizer, gay. That's just contradictory to everything he has been for decades.
You're not going to make a character with anglo-saxon first name and surname, who has been described as 'pale' in occasion in the book black all of the sudden.
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kingpongthedon (12/23/2015) [-]
A change in outward appearance is far different than a change in overall character. It's more like getting upset about Bond being blonde which happened when Craig was cast. Despite the fact that he wasn't "canon," he still managed to make a great Bond.
Plus, it's very common for black people to have "white" names so that's not exactly a good standard to determine somebody's race.
It's still just a gimmick but who cares? It doesn't add or subtract from the story either way. The Hermione you picture when you read is different from the Hermione I picture when I read. If somebody else wants to picture her as black, it doesn't mean you have to as well.
Plus, it's very common for black people to have "white" names so that's not exactly a good standard to determine somebody's race.
It's still just a gimmick but who cares? It doesn't add or subtract from the story either way. The Hermione you picture when you read is different from the Hermione I picture when I read. If somebody else wants to picture her as black, it doesn't mean you have to as well.
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failtolawl (12/23/2015) [-] Her skin color doesn't change her character.. especially to the degree of making bond gay....
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failtolawl (12/23/2015) [-] You're right they tend to. Unless you are overly aggressive thumb mongerer you could make excepions. If you insist on categorizing race with culture, Hermoine acted like an asian throughout the books, yet you insist she is white.
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failtolawl (12/24/2015) [-] i'm not the one who said that ethnicities carry cultures.
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amuzen ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-]
because there's a post going around saying that JK said that Hermione isn't canonically white and that likes the idea of a black hermione even though she is canonically white because it's mentioned several times throughout the books that she's white so it's essentially a rewrite at this point.
Really I just think JK was trying to alleviate the problem that a bunch of people were having with this cross racial casting (which in and of itself is only sort of bad since it hurts the immersion and changes the story + the whole it's denying white actors white roles thing which is kind of sort of silly but I digress) however the whole thing kind of back fired since it just put a bunch more hype on the fire regarding it and now people are freaking out and acting like JK is going to officially make Hermione black from now on.
Really I just think JK was trying to alleviate the problem that a bunch of people were having with this cross racial casting (which in and of itself is only sort of bad since it hurts the immersion and changes the story + the whole it's denying white actors white roles thing which is kind of sort of silly but I digress) however the whole thing kind of back fired since it just put a bunch more hype on the fire regarding it and now people are freaking out and acting like JK is going to officially make Hermione black from now on.
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headhunternl (12/23/2015) [-] Can you give an example, because all i've heard is that it isn't explicitly said in the books.
The only thing I found that "proves" (which it pretty much doesn't cuz who knows who drew it) is this sketch that's claimed to be of Rowling. Pic related
holykaw.alltop.com/harry-potter-characters-drawn-by-jk-rowling-i
The only thing I found that "proves" (which it pretty much doesn't cuz who knows who drew it) is this sketch that's claimed to be of Rowling. Pic related
holykaw.alltop.com/harry-potter-characters-drawn-by-jk-rowling-i
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rejakted (12/23/2015) [-] Basic English comprehension skills dictate that that it is not referring to skin colour but, emotion instead.
For example:
>His skin flushed into white as he saw the wispy spirit before him.
>She became as white as newly-made cotton sheet when she heard the tragic news of the murder of her only child.
Christ, guys, lrn2anglash.
For example:
>His skin flushed into white as he saw the wispy spirit before him.
>She became as white as newly-made cotton sheet when she heard the tragic news of the murder of her only child.
Christ, guys, lrn2anglash.
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rejakted (12/23/2015) [-] I don't know about context ,and she could very well be whatever color that everyone wants her to be- I don't care.
I was just here to tell people that that sentence is very poor evidence of her skin color.
Those are not beginners at English know exactly what the author is conveying with that sentence. Even a 4th Grader will tell you that.
I was just here to tell people that that sentence is very poor evidence of her skin color.
Those are not beginners at English know exactly what the author is conveying with that sentence. Even a 4th Grader will tell you that.
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vgamefrk (12/23/2015) [-] rejakted, absolyst. I know where you are going with that. and I addressed that in my facebook post with a poorly edited picture. I scoured the book in question (POA) and looked at all phrases in the book that jk rowling had white as a description. Big difference in her writing style that used white as a physical description (e.g. with fear) and white as a defining physical attribute (e.g. skin tone.) I do believe J.K Rowling is pandering to the masses, because its ridiculous to have so many people upset over a black actor.
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vgamefrk (12/23/2015) [-] Nice catch. I didnt specify one way or the other. I just posted my evidence of what I found to let others decide on what they believe. However I agree with you guys. without j.k. rowling actually stating what she meant, we cant be fully sure what was described in that sentence. I honestly dont care. noma dumezweni won an award against benedict cucumber in acting. Everyone seems to like benny Cumbersnatch alright so I have high hopes for this hermione. I dont care too much about skin tone. I prefer to worry about the finer things in life. Like how am I supposed to wash my hands?
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rejakted (12/23/2015) [-] Thanks, I guess!
As far as I'm concerned I never really saw Hermione as the one portrayed by Emma Watson when I was reading the books. She looked more like a 'white chocolate' (yeah, yeah, I get it) to me. Though it has been a long time since I've read the books and I was only 13.
The point of the matter is that if black Hermione can impress us with a stellar performance then who cares?!
Another point to elaborate the one above is that it's pretty tiring to go through the same story again and again. Why not spice things up a little? Change a little quirk there or plot point there. Breath some new life into the story. You want Harry Potter: read the books. You want mostly faithful to book HP: watch the movies. If the play is trying to do something new with the characters and the story then, good show! It could very well be a good 'what-if' thing- like alternate timelines and **** .
And if play is merely doing it for 'diversity' then **** them. That's all. I actually don't know what the play is about. Peeps are saying it's a continuation with Harry's son??
Finally:
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As far as I'm concerned I never really saw Hermione as the one portrayed by Emma Watson when I was reading the books. She looked more like a 'white chocolate' (yeah, yeah, I get it) to me. Though it has been a long time since I've read the books and I was only 13.
The point of the matter is that if black Hermione can impress us with a stellar performance then who cares?!
Another point to elaborate the one above is that it's pretty tiring to go through the same story again and again. Why not spice things up a little? Change a little quirk there or plot point there. Breath some new life into the story. You want Harry Potter: read the books. You want mostly faithful to book HP: watch the movies. If the play is trying to do something new with the characters and the story then, good show! It could very well be a good 'what-if' thing- like alternate timelines and **** .
And if play is merely doing it for 'diversity' then **** them. That's all. I actually don't know what the play is about. Peeps are saying it's a continuation with Harry's son??
Finally:
Touch pussy
Pussy wet
Hand wet
Hand is wash
ezazz pzazz
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Anonymi (12/24/2015) [-] I wasn't really saying that I believed one way or the other, just that the phrase is one of the only times her skin colour is mentioned at all. English is my first (and only) language, and while I personally to use 'pale' instead of 'white', the picture vgamefrk posted shows that using white for fear is definitely a thing Rowling does. I would be interested to see if she ever mentions an explicitly black character turning white from fear, but it's not something I really care enough about to dig through the books and search for.
If someone were to debate Skulduggery Pleasant, that would be a different matter entirely.
If someone were to debate Skulduggery Pleasant, that would be a different matter entirely.
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ciacheczko (12/23/2015) [-] In all honesty, I couldn't care less. The only thing that I find kinda lame is that J. K Rowling herself suddenly acts like she doesn't know what skin colour character she had created, only because she wants to cater to SJW's stupid whims.
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enlightednatzie (12/23/2015) [-] Or she could just have been drunk while tweeting that. We all get those crazy ideahs when we are not sober. Rowling actually did it like the absolutely madma'm she is.
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animebewbseveryday (12/22/2015) [-] Its just an example of changing fictional material when there really is no need. If she wanted hermonie black then she should of written her as such, same when they make a comic book hero from white to black. Just write good characters that just happen to be black or a woman.
**** jews doe am i rite
**** jews doe am i rite
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citizenlame (12/23/2015) [-]
I guess but in Stage productions they change races of characters all the time. Typically directors just choose whoever is best for the role. Occasionally they even change the gender if the person is really good. It isnt a forced diversity thing, its really just about whose good. Its been like this in stage productions of things for a long ass time.
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brobathehutt (12/23/2015) [-] Movies and plays are different. In a play the actor can be whatever color and whatever sex if they're good enough because its not as serious for one thing and their pool of potential actors isn't big for another. This is really the biggest issue with plays, and sometimes directors have to be creative with it because they have no other choice. Don't have a good male Romeo but have an excellent female Romeo? Guess Romeo and Juliet are a lesbian couple now. They just have to take the best actor they get and roll with it, sometimes make up is enough, sometimes it isn't.
Movies don't have that problem, there are far more available actors, the best actors will gravitate towards the position since its less of a hassle, and things are more serious. The only reason that abomination to the name of Ghostbusters is being made is because money talks and crazy feminists have no class, so they wont watch a play but they'll certainly watch a movie. Movie producers know their audience well, they dont do jack **** for diversity they do it for pure profit.
Movies don't have that problem, there are far more available actors, the best actors will gravitate towards the position since its less of a hassle, and things are more serious. The only reason that abomination to the name of Ghostbusters is being made is because money talks and crazy feminists have no class, so they wont watch a play but they'll certainly watch a movie. Movie producers know their audience well, they dont do jack **** for diversity they do it for pure profit.
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brobathehutt (12/23/2015) [-] They shouldn't have to justify it in the first place, its a play they take who they get and roll with it.
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brobathehutt (12/27/2015) [-] It's a ******* play, you don't have to justify ANY of your choice of actors unless they do the role poorly. It has NOTHING wrong with it, something is wrong with the idiots who are trying to say something is wrong with it.
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kibuza ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] Why is Hitler being White integral to who he was anymore than it is for Hermione?
You think only a White person could have done something so horrible as he did? Blacks can kill Jews. Hispanics could kill Jews. Why is it so important that he's portrayed as White? Obviously it's because everyone knows he WAS White. That's why it's important, aside from being an actual historic event.
It's EXTREMELY unlikely but there's nothing saying that a Black man couldn't have risen to power in Germany in 1930s and did all the exact same terrible stuff.
You think only a White person could have done something so horrible as he did? Blacks can kill Jews. Hispanics could kill Jews. Why is it so important that he's portrayed as White? Obviously it's because everyone knows he WAS White. That's why it's important, aside from being an actual historic event.
It's EXTREMELY unlikely but there's nothing saying that a Black man couldn't have risen to power in Germany in 1930s and did all the exact same terrible stuff.
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ericzxvc (12/23/2015) [-] Are you honestly this stupid. Oh My God. Are you honestly trying to make the argument that Hitler wasn't racist? That he didn't champion Aryans as the superior race? That he didn't kill an sterilize black people for being black?
He thought white people were the better race and everyone else was inferior, obviously it ******* matters if he's white. Would be a bit awkward for a black Hitler to talk about how much better white people were when you are the leader.
If you cannot see how Adolf ******* Hitler's race is more important to he was than a fictional character in a book whose race is never explicitly mentioned then you honestly need to get your head checked.
He thought white people were the better race and everyone else was inferior, obviously it ******* matters if he's white. Would be a bit awkward for a black Hitler to talk about how much better white people were when you are the leader.
If you cannot see how Adolf ******* Hitler's race is more important to he was than a fictional character in a book whose race is never explicitly mentioned then you honestly need to get your head checked.
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kibuza ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] If you'll notice I said EXTREMELY UNLIKELY.
I could also say "Almost impossible" but that doesn't mean it is. Being a hateful person and killing people for their religion and / or skin colour is not something limited to the White mind. Therefore it stands to reason that a Latino could have the same thoughts.
It is just EXTREMELY UNLIKELY. Also you'll notice that I already pointed out that obviously it matters more because Hitler was an actual person in history, who WAS White. I mean we could go and make a play about Martin Luther King and have him played by a White man. That wouldn't offend anybody right? Not like only a Black man could have done what he did. You know for a fact though that would be ******* stupid and unnecessary, on top of being wrong.
I could also say "Almost impossible" but that doesn't mean it is. Being a hateful person and killing people for their religion and / or skin colour is not something limited to the White mind. Therefore it stands to reason that a Latino could have the same thoughts.
It is just EXTREMELY UNLIKELY. Also you'll notice that I already pointed out that obviously it matters more because Hitler was an actual person in history, who WAS White. I mean we could go and make a play about Martin Luther King and have him played by a White man. That wouldn't offend anybody right? Not like only a Black man could have done what he did. You know for a fact though that would be ******* stupid and unnecessary, on top of being wrong.
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ericzxvc (12/23/2015) [-] I'm not saying it's limited to the white mind, what I'm saying is:
MLK, Hitler, people whose race is relevant to who they are.
Hermione, people whose race is irrelevant to who they are.
You can portray the latter with different races since it doesn't change anything, you can't portray the former with different races because it absolutely matters.
MLK, Hitler, people whose race is relevant to who they are.
Hermione, people whose race is irrelevant to who they are.
You can portray the latter with different races since it doesn't change anything, you can't portray the former with different races because it absolutely matters.
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fishandkids ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] But as far as I know Hermione was never described as white, they just casted a white person to play her in the movies.
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clonewarsexplain (12/23/2015) [-]
She had white parents.
She was called white-faced.
She was described as being 'tanned' from a vacation to France.
She was called white-faced.
She was described as being 'tanned' from a vacation to France.
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ILoveFurries (12/23/2015) [-] Doesn't she appear on the cover of one of the books, as well, white?
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clonewarsexplain (12/23/2015) [-] Yeah, in concept art; and in the first release.
The first book was released before Hermione was cast. Its canon she is white.
The first book was released before Hermione was cast. Its canon she is white.
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fishandkids ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] I just went off of her tweet. twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/678888094339366914?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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clonewarsexplain (12/23/2015) [-]
(Sorry for downvote was mistake, I have no clue how to normalize).
Then she doesn't read her own ******* book.
Also Hermione and Granger are white Anglo-Saxon names. Literally taken from history and rarely used before this book. Shes just wanting to appear tolerant and **** , and not cause any popularity problems. But she is completely wrong here.
Unless she decides to completely back-stab her audience and her own narrative.
Then she doesn't read her own ******* book.
Also Hermione and Granger are white Anglo-Saxon names. Literally taken from history and rarely used before this book. Shes just wanting to appear tolerant and **** , and not cause any popularity problems. But she is completely wrong here.
Unless she decides to completely back-stab her audience and her own narrative.
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fishandkids ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] (you click the down vote again)
I honestly don't give a flying **** . They could cast a talking dog for all I care as long as it's a good actor, just wanted to point out what Rowling said is all.
I honestly don't give a flying **** . They could cast a talking dog for all I care as long as it's a good actor, just wanted to point out what Rowling said is all.
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clonewarsexplain (12/23/2015) [-] Ight, no problem of course man.
I was just giving you some fresh info.
I was just giving you some fresh info.
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fishandkids ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] I don't know if it's true or not, but apperently she was described as very brown at one point.
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fishandkids ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] It didn't mentiong in the quote I saw. Sorry, but now I did get interested in it...
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fishandkids ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] I got interested in this incident now that we've talked about it and then I found said qoute: “They were there, both of them, sitting outside Florean Fortescue’s Ice Cream Parlor Ron looking incredibly freckly, Hermione very brown, both waving frantically at him.” but no mention of it being because of her coming back from France.
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clonewarsexplain (12/23/2015) [-]
Yeah its not in that exact quote. Her tan is mentioned on the train or ******** .
>author says earlier in book she has a tan
>references it later in the book
>interesting because it contrasts so heavily with the snowy day
>author says earlier in book she has a tan
>references it later in the book
>interesting because it contrasts so heavily with the snowy day
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kibuza ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] Harry Potter not takes place on an unnamed planet in another galaxy, at a school for mutants who have the ability to cast magic.
Harry is purple, Ron is orange and Hermione is green with brown spots. Voldemort is actually a calico cat, Dumbledore is a sexless android and Snape is a sentient rock person. The plot and everything else is the same so we didn't ruin the universe, right?
Harry is purple, Ron is orange and Hermione is green with brown spots. Voldemort is actually a calico cat, Dumbledore is a sexless android and Snape is a sentient rock person. The plot and everything else is the same so we didn't ruin the universe, right?
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fishandkids ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] It's really easy though.
You could have just used im or steam (if you would just add me there, that is.).
You could have just used im or steam (if you would just add me there, that is.).
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fishandkids ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] Happy?
People can still massage you on it. and there's still IM.
People can still massage you on it. and there's still IM.
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fishandkids ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] good.
then add me on steam and let me massage your body.
then add me on steam and let me massage your body.
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battletechmech (12/23/2015) [-] Someone found a phrase in book 3 that says that she was "White faced", this of course can refer to any race as an expression of shock, but it's all i've seen.
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ericzxvc (12/23/2015) [-] This is the problem though she didn't not "write her" black. Hermione being black or white changes nothing about her character because it's not an integral part of who she is in the book.
This is just a random play in which they casted a black actor because they were the best person for the role, I sincerely doubt they put out a notice for black women. They probably put out a casting call for someone to play Hermione and this girl was the best so they picked her because why not.
This is just a random play in which they casted a black actor because they were the best person for the role, I sincerely doubt they put out a notice for black women. They probably put out a casting call for someone to play Hermione and this girl was the best so they picked her because why not.
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stormblink (12/23/2015) [-]
Reminds me that in the Last Harry Potter movie, The actor for Crabbe (or was it Goyle?) was changed because something happened and they replaced him with a skinny black kid. It didn't matter in the long run, But I found it odd to see and no one cared for it.
Also, Making a Sequel for that ending and more focus on the movie with basically after the Battle for Hogwarts and the sending the children off... That she decided that it was time to become Black?
Also, Making a Sequel for that ending and more focus on the movie with basically after the Battle for Hogwarts and the sending the children off... That she decided that it was time to become Black?
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guardianatreyu (12/23/2015) [-] The only jewish comic characters I can think of are an orange rock man, a psychopathic man with a god living in his head that tells him to kill, jewish hitler, and a chick that can phase through **** .
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ninjaroo ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] I haven't commented on it before, but it erks me in the same way the Ghostbuster and Oceans 11 all woman remakes do. Taking what is established and reimagining it as something different is fine, as long as you're introducing a fresh and interesting perspective. These changes ring to me more of pandering to people who will hail it as progress when all it is is leeching off what is already successful by manipulating those who think diversity is necessary simply for the sake of diversity.
I could be wrong, though. I'll likely watch them when they come out to see how I feel about it then.
I could be wrong, though. I'll likely watch them when they come out to see how I feel about it then.
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ericzxvc (12/23/2015) [-] That is a fresh and interesting perspective though. The perspective is the characters being women instead of men.
I don't understand why everyone gets so pissed off if something is done for diversity, so what if that's the motivating factor it doesn't make it some evil terrible thing. There are so many character choices motivated by stupider things, money, who the casting person likes, nepotism, etc.. Let's not act like the casting of any movie is some fully merit based system because it's not at all.
Diversity is simply trying to make things more inclusive for everyone, and it also tries to paint a more realistic picture of life. There's a problem if people notice that one black person in a movie and it distracts them because god forbid they actually earned the role, but nobody notices if every single person in a movie is white.
I don't understand why everyone gets so pissed off if something is done for diversity, so what if that's the motivating factor it doesn't make it some evil terrible thing. There are so many character choices motivated by stupider things, money, who the casting person likes, nepotism, etc.. Let's not act like the casting of any movie is some fully merit based system because it's not at all.
Diversity is simply trying to make things more inclusive for everyone, and it also tries to paint a more realistic picture of life. There's a problem if people notice that one black person in a movie and it distracts them because god forbid they actually earned the role, but nobody notices if every single person in a movie is white.
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ninjaroo ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] "Hermione but black" doesn't strike me as something that's gonna reveal anything interesting or new about the character, nor do I see it having any interesting implications on the story or world thereof. Same with Oceans 11 and Ghostbusters. With the latter example I'd be more interested if it was a sequel, with the women being the proteges of the original 4 facing both the ghosts and the challenge of filling in the shoes of their predecessors, which would be an interesting parallel to their place as the actors. But I digress.
Genderbending and racebending for no reason is not fresh, it's been done before. With what I have to go off, I'd say it's not interesting, because besides being genderbent or racebent I've seen no indication that there'll be significant differences.
Here's my perspective. If you're going to remake something, make it interesting. If it's a scene for scene remake with flashier graphics, you've failed. If it's otherwise identical besides some forced jokes acknowledging what minor changes there are, you've failed. And most importantly, if you haven't improved on the original, you've failed.
Sure, we don't know if these things are going to be like that, but my gut feeling is that they will. I acknowledge that I might be incorrect and have stated that I'll be watching them to find out. What more can I offer?
Genderbending and racebending for no reason is not fresh, it's been done before. With what I have to go off, I'd say it's not interesting, because besides being genderbent or racebent I've seen no indication that there'll be significant differences.
Here's my perspective. If you're going to remake something, make it interesting. If it's a scene for scene remake with flashier graphics, you've failed. If it's otherwise identical besides some forced jokes acknowledging what minor changes there are, you've failed. And most importantly, if you haven't improved on the original, you've failed.
Sure, we don't know if these things are going to be like that, but my gut feeling is that they will. I acknowledge that I might be incorrect and have stated that I'll be watching them to find out. What more can I offer?
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ericzxvc (12/23/2015) [-] I don't think you understand what's going on here. This is the casting for a play, they're not remaking the movies just to put in a black Hermione.
You're absolutely right that Hermione being black will change literally nothing, that's why these people complaining is stupid.
They are making an unrelated play and they happened to cast a black women as Hermione and people are flipping out, she wasn't chosen to force Hermione to be black she was simply the best actress for the job so they picked her.
You're absolutely right that Hermione being black will change literally nothing, that's why these people complaining is stupid.
They are making an unrelated play and they happened to cast a black women as Hermione and people are flipping out, she wasn't chosen to force Hermione to be black she was simply the best actress for the job so they picked her.
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anon (12/23/2015) [-]
I don't know, not the first time I've seen a character from one race changed to another. Javert was played by a black man before in Les Miserables and he did a damn good job. One of my favorites if a bit loud at times.
Some say, "Buh de Liberals!" Look, it may have been part of it. If the actor is **** at it then it more than likely was. But if the actor does a good job, the writing represents the character perfectly, then I do not have a damn problem. It is called 'blind casting' I believe, you don't give a damn about the ethnicity, sometimes gender, of a character as long as the actor did a fantastic performance.
For example, the piece of **** Daredevil movie. Michael Clarke Duncan was an AMAZING Kingpin and was the only saving grace of that movie. He did a fantastic performance that was still faithful to the character and was the only reason you watched that movie.
Maybe it's just me because I never got attached to Harry Potter, grew up as a kid watching it and only thought it was 'ok' at best, so seeing Hermione black doesn't bother me in the slightest.
Some say, "Buh de Liberals!" Look, it may have been part of it. If the actor is **** at it then it more than likely was. But if the actor does a good job, the writing represents the character perfectly, then I do not have a damn problem. It is called 'blind casting' I believe, you don't give a damn about the ethnicity, sometimes gender, of a character as long as the actor did a fantastic performance.
For example, the piece of **** Daredevil movie. Michael Clarke Duncan was an AMAZING Kingpin and was the only saving grace of that movie. He did a fantastic performance that was still faithful to the character and was the only reason you watched that movie.
Maybe it's just me because I never got attached to Harry Potter, grew up as a kid watching it and only thought it was 'ok' at best, so seeing Hermione black doesn't bother me in the slightest.
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austinboyer (12/23/2015) [-] Thanks to that Daredevil movie, I actually wished they would make the comic book Kingpin look more like Michael Clarke Duncan.
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LarsGoes (12/23/2015) [-]
The characters where often depicted on the outside of my (german text) version of the book, and i specifically remember on the cover of the first one she was white. i know that is not the text, but it still gives readers some idea how the characters are supposed to look like
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mindmatter (12/23/2015) [-]
Because a stage show is being done with a new cast and if Harry and Ron look nothing like their actors why should Hermione?
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thelastamerican (12/23/2015) [-] There's a stage show? Damn. Fanboys will do anything to see more.
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roxasmovess (12/23/2015) [-] She had literally nothing to do with it till someone asked her about it on twitter. She gave them the rights to make the play. Literally, that's her involvement.
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walcorn ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] she also *********** about "intending hermione to be black from the beginning"
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roxasmovess (12/23/2015) [-] She said she never expressly said hormoine was white. Which was a lie. But still.
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roxasmovess (12/23/2015) [-] For the play? Idk, maybe. But she's not doing the casting, the organization, or anything like that. She isn't involved with the play outside of holding rights.
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sexyhimself ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] I am not sure, but I think there were a stage play were the actress playing Hermione was black and of course Tumblr got all over that **** like a triple cheese burger with extra bacon.
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sketchysketchist ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] Neither reasons.
They hired a black actress because they thought she did a great job to portray an older Hermione. (This is for a play that's about what happened years after all the **** went down.)
If anything it would've been a dick move to hire someone else over the black actress because fans demanded a white Hermione.
They hired a black actress because they thought she did a great job to portray an older Hermione. (This is for a play that's about what happened years after all the **** went down.)
If anything it would've been a dick move to hire someone else over the black actress because fans demanded a white Hermione.
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urmomsagrot (12/23/2015) [-] That's the thing. The people pushing this kind of **** are eating it up and calling anyone who opposes it racist or even going as far as the ******* author claiming it (he race) was never specified (except it was). This just so happens to all be happening during a time of massive political correctness propaganda so its all way too convenient of them to just up and change the race of one of the worlds most popular fantasy characters that has already been established in both writing and film for the past ~2 decades.
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badnewsanon (12/23/2015) [-] Is this seriously a big deal? I know its probably been said a million times but they probably just picked the best actor. Whether it was explicitly stated or not, Hermoine being white isn't a critical part of her character.
If they were suddenly casting a black actor to play Huck Finn or Calvin Candie or someone similar then everyone whose bitching would have a point. Those characters need to be a certain race.
Even if this is part of the politically correct SJW takeover that FJ is seemingly terrified of, why does it matter? Its a ******* stage production. Stage productions typically change actors all the time. Next time this play goes on tour, it'll probably be a new batch of actors.
For the record, I don't care about changing the race of a character either way. As long as it isn't a situation like the one above. Black to white, white to black, etc.
If they were suddenly casting a black actor to play Huck Finn or Calvin Candie or someone similar then everyone whose bitching would have a point. Those characters need to be a certain race.
Even if this is part of the politically correct SJW takeover that FJ is seemingly terrified of, why does it matter? Its a ******* stage production. Stage productions typically change actors all the time. Next time this play goes on tour, it'll probably be a new batch of actors.
For the record, I don't care about changing the race of a character either way. As long as it isn't a situation like the one above. Black to white, white to black, etc.
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quantumranger (12/23/2015) [-] I think most of the complainers don't actually have a problem with a black actress being cast, but rather are against the people using this to push that Hermione is black in canon.
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conorlockyer (12/23/2015) [-]
because as a person who values artistic integrity i think its ******** to change someones ethnicity just to please people, i wouldn't give two ***** if hermione was a mexican magician who can vanish without a tres if that was what the writer intended the character to be johnny storm is black in the new fantastic 4 do i care? nope its a reboot not a sequal
don't change a character ethnicity and call it social diversity its circle jerking a bunch of self entitled twats.
don't change a character ethnicity and call it social diversity its circle jerking a bunch of self entitled twats.
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badnewsanon (12/23/2015) [-] See the below comment. No indication that they did anything besides pick the best actor for the job.
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conorlockyer (12/23/2015) [-]
well then, in this case kudos, if the boot fits. honestly i just came back from a wedding im pretty blitzed
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badnewsanon (12/23/2015) [-] Don't stop the party to come on FJ, dudeski. Go consume more alcohol.
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conorlockyer (12/23/2015) [-]
yeah man fjs got my soul by now ive been here since the great admin **** up that cost the life of my old account, plus my house is dryer than the crypt keepers farts ill just play alien isolation till i pass out.
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manofparody (12/23/2015) [-] It'd be fine, if it was just that.
Instead, she wanted to please the "we need moar black peopls, you racist" people, and tried making Hermione black over a ******* twitter status.
The book's covers show her as white, and she has been referenced as white.
It's about being a ******* sellout to look "PC" or what the **** ever.
Instead, she wanted to please the "we need moar black peopls, you racist" people, and tried making Hermione black over a ******* twitter status.
The book's covers show her as white, and she has been referenced as white.
It's about being a ******* sellout to look "PC" or what the **** ever.
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ericzxvc (12/23/2015) [-] She's not though, she's just trying to shut up all the people saying that Hermione "has to be white" by showing that it's completely up to interpretation. She's not saying that Hermione is black she's saying that there is no reason that she can't be.
JK's tweet:
Canon: brown eyes, frizzy hair and very clever. White skin was never specified. Rowling loves black Hermione.
She wants a black girl to be able to read Harry Potter and imagine them how they want, and a white girl to be able to read Harry Potter and imagine them how they want.
In no way is she forcing Hermione to have to be a black character, she is just saying that there is no reason why she can't be.
JK's tweet:
Canon: brown eyes, frizzy hair and very clever. White skin was never specified. Rowling loves black Hermione.
She wants a black girl to be able to read Harry Potter and imagine them how they want, and a white girl to be able to read Harry Potter and imagine them how they want.
In no way is she forcing Hermione to have to be a black character, she is just saying that there is no reason why she can't be.
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badnewsanon (12/23/2015) [-] When did Rowling ever try to make the character black? She simply stated that the character is not white, and that she likes the idea of the character being black. Thats not saying the character is black. Thats saying she didn't assign a race to the character, and essentially saying that shes fine with the character being any race. Do you want to know why shes fine with the character being any race? Because it doesn't ******* influence anything about the character.
The books covers are irrelevant, Rowling probably has nothing to do with them.
Giving you that the character in the books is described as white though. It is still irrelevant. It has literally no influence on her character. They cast the best actor in a stage production to play the role. There is no indication that they went out of their way to be "PC" in their casting of a black actor.
All Rowling did was say that she approved of the idea of a black Hermione. And guess what? The character is not permanently black now. Would you like to know why? Because her race is not her ******* character.
There is no one changing the race of Hermione here, there is no one explicitly stating that they changed the race to be inclusive. They just chose an actress. Because race doesn't matter. Do you get it yet?
The books covers are irrelevant, Rowling probably has nothing to do with them.
Giving you that the character in the books is described as white though. It is still irrelevant. It has literally no influence on her character. They cast the best actor in a stage production to play the role. There is no indication that they went out of their way to be "PC" in their casting of a black actor.
All Rowling did was say that she approved of the idea of a black Hermione. And guess what? The character is not permanently black now. Would you like to know why? Because her race is not her ******* character.
There is no one changing the race of Hermione here, there is no one explicitly stating that they changed the race to be inclusive. They just chose an actress. Because race doesn't matter. Do you get it yet?
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manofparody (12/23/2015) [-] You derailed.
**** off with your whole "OH IMPLYING ISNT THE SAME AS SAYING" **** , because that's a childish argument for kids to get their way. She implied that Hermione was black.
To quote her and the person she was responding to:
"@goldregulus like. especially rowling. how does she feel about black hermione. i need to know."
"Canon: brown eyes, frizzy hair and very clever. White skin was never specified. Rowling loves black Hermione"
They were ******* TALKING ABOUT BLACK.
And newsflash: Race DOES matter, when you try changing an existing character.
This is why I had a problem with a black Deadshot. I love Will Smith to death, but a Black Deadshot AFTER Deadshot has already been established (similar to Rowling trying to change Hermione's race AFTER the series was established), is ******** on the character just to appease the "Make ur caracturs black or u rasist" freaks.
You won't change your opinion, and that's not my job. You're an ignorant **** who tried to use the childish "implications don't count" argument, which I don't ******* let fly. You ARE wrong about it not being specified as black, and I proved that.
Anything further than this, I don't give a **** because I already proved you wrong and you still won't waver, which signifies stubbornness and child behavior.
**** off with your whole "OH IMPLYING ISNT THE SAME AS SAYING" **** , because that's a childish argument for kids to get their way. She implied that Hermione was black.
To quote her and the person she was responding to:
"@goldregulus like. especially rowling. how does she feel about black hermione. i need to know."
"Canon: brown eyes, frizzy hair and very clever. White skin was never specified. Rowling loves black Hermione"
They were ******* TALKING ABOUT BLACK.
And newsflash: Race DOES matter, when you try changing an existing character.
This is why I had a problem with a black Deadshot. I love Will Smith to death, but a Black Deadshot AFTER Deadshot has already been established (similar to Rowling trying to change Hermione's race AFTER the series was established), is ******** on the character just to appease the "Make ur caracturs black or u rasist" freaks.
You won't change your opinion, and that's not my job. You're an ignorant **** who tried to use the childish "implications don't count" argument, which I don't ******* let fly. You ARE wrong about it not being specified as black, and I proved that.
Anything further than this, I don't give a **** because I already proved you wrong and you still won't waver, which signifies stubbornness and child behavior.
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revelent (12/23/2015) [-]
Honestly, you didn't prove jack **** . She listed the canon characteristics she specifically attached to the character, then said she never specifically stated a race. That's all. Saying/implying "I didn't say she absolutely, positively *needs* to be white" is not the same as "guess what she's black now ******* !!". The only thing actually implied in the twit is "I don't give a **** either way, but it sounds cool". Stop seeing whatever you want just because you wanna be mad. In no way did she try to turn her black. It was the typical dumbass tumblettes who jumped into her loosely constructed sentences and did that, not JK herself
To summarize, people asked her thoughts on the matter, she basically said "never really cared about the race, but meh, its neat-o", and idiots jumped on that.
To summarize, people asked her thoughts on the matter, she basically said "never really cared about the race, but meh, its neat-o", and idiots jumped on that.
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badnewsanon (12/23/2015) [-] She literally didn't even imply that the character was black. She did however, say that she never assigned a race to the character. For the record, I totally believe she meant for the character to be white, whether or not she described her that way. She just said she likes the idea of a black Hermione. She would have reacted the same way to latino or asian. And I'll bet if the character's skin color is changed again, she won't give a **** .
You say race matters, but you honestly haven't given me a reason why it does. It clearly does for many characters, as I've said. But theres also many that it doesn't matter. Seriously. Give me a reason why it matters in the case of Hermione. The character isn't even permanently black. She just happens to be black for this stage production.
The paranoia about this whole PC thing is borderline disturbing. Its just a Harry Potter stage production where they picked the best actress.
You say race matters, but you honestly haven't given me a reason why it does. It clearly does for many characters, as I've said. But theres also many that it doesn't matter. Seriously. Give me a reason why it matters in the case of Hermione. The character isn't even permanently black. She just happens to be black for this stage production.
The paranoia about this whole PC thing is borderline disturbing. Its just a Harry Potter stage production where they picked the best actress.
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elaxx (12/23/2015) [-]
Personally I don't give a **** about someone somewhere making a play where Hermione is black. For all I care, whole cast can be black, asian, whatever. I mean, that's their play. If it works then it works, if it doesn't then it doesn't. It's about a character, not skin color (unless skin color defines the character in some way or is essential to the story). What bugs me though is the reaction of J.K. Rowling. I mean, it was heavily implied in the books that Hermione is white, hell, Rowling even herself drew a picture where she is white. Everything indicated that she is white. Yet Rowling just somehow had to go out of the way and go with the old cheesy line "it was never specified". Because there was no reason to! What's the big deal?! Just tell everyone that you always had a white Hermione in mind, because she clearly did, tell that this is how it is but that it doesn't matter, it's not important, as long as the actor gets the character right. Why does she have to back off on an idea she herself initiated and implanted? Why does she have to stress such a thing? Given how much this racial thing and diversity has been popular for a while, it's as if she decided to be "in" and go with the "progressive flow" in places where it's completely unnecessary. Or she is trying to cover it in an attempt to promote the play?However it is, it's as if she is either lying to everyone or lying to herself...
If the race wasn't a big deal for her, she wouldn't have to make such a statement in the first place, there was absolutely no need for it. There was no need to go back to the source material and pretend that certain parts of it don't exist for whatever reason. Because they do. If the race question didn't matter, she wouldn't need to try and make it "neutral".
If the race wasn't a big deal for her, she wouldn't have to make such a statement in the first place, there was absolutely no need for it. There was no need to go back to the source material and pretend that certain parts of it don't exist for whatever reason. Because they do. If the race question didn't matter, she wouldn't need to try and make it "neutral".
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badnewsanon (12/23/2015) [-] I have no problem with your logic whatsoever actually. I've actually stated that I have no problem with people who have a problem with people saying Rowling is backpedalling. I've also said that I know she thought up the character as white.
My main problem is the people who seem to be saying that shes literally retconning the character to be black. Which she isn't. She just said she didn't assign a race and that she likes a black Hermione. Anyone who believes she wouldn't be okay with Rowling having the race flip flop between black, white, latino, etc. at this point is just an idiot.
Also people who seem to think that for some reason Hermione's skin color matters just because.
My main problem is the people who seem to be saying that shes literally retconning the character to be black. Which she isn't. She just said she didn't assign a race and that she likes a black Hermione. Anyone who believes she wouldn't be okay with Rowling having the race flip flop between black, white, latino, etc. at this point is just an idiot.
Also people who seem to think that for some reason Hermione's skin color matters just because.
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piratedangel (12/23/2015) [-] Having Hermoine a different race is irrelevant to the story, just like Dumbledore's sexual orientation.
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piratedangel (12/23/2015) [-] But does a different race really make a difference in the story?
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machiavellianhumor (12/23/2015) [-] can't tell which version of plot you mean. if you mean the type of plot i think you do then yeah the plot was changed
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xsap (12/23/2015) [-] going back and blacwashing 8 books and 8 movies is pointless and stupid.
i guaratee you ******* will start telling people that "hollywood white washed Herminia" even though shes white on the covers and the movies and there are 3 parts in the book where they mention her white skin
i guaratee you ******* will start telling people that "hollywood white washed Herminia" even though shes white on the covers and the movies and there are 3 parts in the book where they mention her white skin
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whatupbiatch ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] Depending on the cover you look at it could either be hermione or ginny.
That's also determined by the artist, not the writer and creator of the books/characters.
Do you have a source (page #, book) cause I don't remember those lines.
That's also determined by the artist, not the writer and creator of the books/characters.
Do you have a source (page #, book) cause I don't remember those lines.
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whatupbiatch ONLINE (12/23/2015) [-] This one has red-ish orange hair which would be ginny
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anon (12/23/2015) [-]
Yeah the age is what was bothering me too, but turns out the play is set in the future when they're grown up and have kids.
I don't think those three roles are even main roles, so no wonder they got some rondo actors to cover it, black actress is available, welp, hermione is black now.
Which is fine, but the net likes to get all ******* anti-SJW over everything, worse than these supposed SJWs to be honest.
I don't think those three roles are even main roles, so no wonder they got some rondo actors to cover it, black actress is available, welp, hermione is black now.
Which is fine, but the net likes to get all ******* anti-SJW over everything, worse than these supposed SJWs to be honest.
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mindmatter (12/23/2015) [-]
Isn't the whole point of the story that it's the characters grown up having a new adventure?
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retardedboss (12/23/2015) [-] It's not that she's supposed to be white. It's not that we want her to be white. It's that it doesn't matter what she is so going back and changing it after the fact only serves to appease the SJWs, and the more you give them what they want the more they'll try to change, and eventually they'll change something that DOES matter.
It's the same thing as saying Dumbledore was gay. It doesn't make a difference and only serves to push some kind of agenda. If it isn't important to the story, why mention it at all, much less after the story is finished and been done with for years?
It's the same thing as saying Dumbledore was gay. It doesn't make a difference and only serves to push some kind of agenda. If it isn't important to the story, why mention it at all, much less after the story is finished and been done with for years?
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schneidend (12/23/2015) [-] Or, stay with me here, it's just given an actress who auditioned well the part she auditioned for.
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retardedboss (12/23/2015) [-] And that's fine. Is there a new movie where that's the case? As far as I was aware someone just told JK hermione should be black and she was like "lol K".
If that is the case and then we will know when it comes out if she was just the best option. IF that's the case then there is no problem, but it's much more likely in my cynical mind that it's been done for the free press and controversy.
If that is the case and then we will know when it comes out if she was just the best option. IF that's the case then there is no problem, but it's much more likely in my cynical mind that it's been done for the free press and controversy.
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schneidend (12/23/2015) [-] I believe the thing is about Hermione being cast in a Harry Potter stage production of some kind. The production cast a black gal as Hermione.
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retardedboss (12/23/2015) [-] Well whatever the case, my original comment was just to say why one could be reasonably upset by something like this. If it is a case of the best person for the role then so be it.
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harrykuntz (12/23/2015) [-] Authors like J.K. Rowling will always be vulnerable to things like this though, especially years after their story has been done with for years. They're stuck and either can't write more stories to be relevant, or would be labeled as 'the author that wrote _____' and with that story over, they need a way to stay relevant. Pandering to fan theories that the stories can neither approve or disprove, in this example a gay Dumbledore or black Hermione, stirs up controversy and more importantly attention among the fanbases. That let's an author who's 15 minutes of fame are up, cling to a new few minutes of fame more
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pensivepangolin (12/23/2015) [-] Here is my 2 cents:
I don't think that there's anything wrong with having a black Hermione since race is not one of her defining features. Sure, it may be canon that Hermione is white, but that doesn't matter at all in the long run. I'm sure that the script doesn't actually say "Hermione is black", and that it was just a casting decision, since there are no aspects of Hermione's character that are dependent on her being white. The directors are primarily focused on finding someone that could play an intellectual British teenager, and if the best actress for the job happens to be black, then it shouldn't matter.
On the other hand, if the people who made the decision did so in order to make Hermione black specifically instead of any other race (I'm looking at you J.J. Abrams), then that's an entirely different story. However, unless those people actually came out and said "Look, we made Hermione black, isn't that progressive?", then I refuse to believe speculation. If they did actually do this, please let me know.
I get that people may have ideas about what a "perfect Hermione" should be, but that doesn't count for **** when casting a stage production.
I don't think that there's anything wrong with having a black Hermione since race is not one of her defining features. Sure, it may be canon that Hermione is white, but that doesn't matter at all in the long run. I'm sure that the script doesn't actually say "Hermione is black", and that it was just a casting decision, since there are no aspects of Hermione's character that are dependent on her being white. The directors are primarily focused on finding someone that could play an intellectual British teenager, and if the best actress for the job happens to be black, then it shouldn't matter.
On the other hand, if the people who made the decision did so in order to make Hermione black specifically instead of any other race (I'm looking at you J.J. Abrams), then that's an entirely different story. However, unless those people actually came out and said "Look, we made Hermione black, isn't that progressive?", then I refuse to believe speculation. If they did actually do this, please let me know.
I get that people may have ideas about what a "perfect Hermione" should be, but that doesn't count for **** when casting a stage production.
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gatodelfuego (12/23/2015) [-] Hermionie is a popular character to "blackify"; there's tons of art on tumblr of people doing just that.
But for a stage production there's really no issue, everybody should just move on
But for a stage production there's really no issue, everybody should just move on
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therealtjthemedic (12/23/2015) [-]
Everyone always bitches about 'diversity quotas' because we should just hire the best people for the job.
But when a black chick gets hired you all start bitching about it. What if she honestly was the best for the job?
You guys are ******* hypocrites. When you say 'best person for the job' you mean 'white guy'.
But when a black chick gets hired you all start bitching about it. What if she honestly was the best for the job?
You guys are ******* hypocrites. When you say 'best person for the job' you mean 'white guy'.
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therealtjthemedic (12/23/2015) [-] 'Harry Potter and the Slightly Uncomfortable Gay Love Triangle'
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arsenalthegunners (12/23/2015) [-] ya but we NEVER bitched about someone black getting hired because they were best for the job, because in this case they clearly aren't, as they are NOT fit for the description of the character.
For example:
Trudeau said we should have more women in the Canadian house of commons because its "2015". **** off, men have been chosen because they have been better in the critical aspects. We have had women chosen before for the parliament because they were right for the riding, simple as that. But when you change the characters ethnicity where as people have found out that Hermione was CLEARLY white in the text, but then the author decides to say Hermione was NEVER specified to which ethnicity group she belonged to (aka she was black because hurr durr diversity qouta, and PC-ness), I can't accept that.
For example:
Trudeau said we should have more women in the Canadian house of commons because its "2015". **** off, men have been chosen because they have been better in the critical aspects. We have had women chosen before for the parliament because they were right for the riding, simple as that. But when you change the characters ethnicity where as people have found out that Hermione was CLEARLY white in the text, but then the author decides to say Hermione was NEVER specified to which ethnicity group she belonged to (aka she was black because hurr durr diversity qouta, and PC-ness), I can't accept that.
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eizujeil (12/23/2015) [-] I honestly dont give a **** if they choose any actor for a role, as long as they are good, but the one thing that I'm sure almost everyone here agrees with me about is that you dont **** with source material, you got how many books / movies and other **** depicting a character in a specific way, you dont just **** with that for some ******** reason, the only acceptable reasons should be the actor has died or denies the role and even if that was true, you simply replace them with a like-character.
Some people are accepting of this role but imagine if they did a movie with MLK being played as a white guy :p
Some people are accepting of this role but imagine if they did a movie with MLK being played as a white guy :p
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ericzxvc (12/23/2015) [-] This is a bad argument for this situation though, for a couple reasons. First off being white is not at all integral to Hermione's character, it literally does not make a difference what her race is in the book. Likewise in the movies, if you just edited all the movies to make Hermione black it would not change them. If it was substantial like you were changing her from a girl to a guy then this argument could be possible since that would make a difference. And giving the MLK example is stupid because being black is actually an integral part of who MLK is, it matters in that scenario.
Secondly this is a play, plays tend to change the interpretation and the way things are presented opposed to other mediums like film. I doubt this is the only change they will make.
Secondly this is a play, plays tend to change the interpretation and the way things are presented opposed to other mediums like film. I doubt this is the only change they will make.
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eizujeil (12/23/2015) [-] Ah, my understanding was that this was for a follow up film, which I would believe my argument stands for more merit since consistency would be completely skewed, since it is a play, I agree with you, changes can be made to a certain degree and this is one that isn't too far fetched.
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ninesundev (12/23/2015) [-] This site is extremely right winged.
Of course we are hypocrites. There is no way you can't be one.
And the rant about a black hermonie is because the autor just want a quick dollar made from the sympathies of black people she gets with this tweet although everything she painted herself showed an almost complete white cast.
If she had casted a black girl from the beginning, nobody (except the right winged idiots ofc) would've ranted about this. She is the real bad person here, firstly cast an all white staff to fit their audience and now farming the racial uproars to make even more money.
And yes I am a hypocrite too. But mostly in other domains.
Of course we are hypocrites. There is no way you can't be one.
And the rant about a black hermonie is because the autor just want a quick dollar made from the sympathies of black people she gets with this tweet although everything she painted herself showed an almost complete white cast.
If she had casted a black girl from the beginning, nobody (except the right winged idiots ofc) would've ranted about this. She is the real bad person here, firstly cast an all white staff to fit their audience and now farming the racial uproars to make even more money.
And yes I am a hypocrite too. But mostly in other domains.
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roxasmovess (12/23/2015) [-] In theater, (since this is about a play in London) I don't think it's as big of a deal if different types of people (white to black, male to female) play roles that don't match the canon necessarily, because it's a play. It's not going to be forever recorded on film or drawn onto a book or into a comic and kept that way forever after it was initially another way. It will be for the run time of the play, then if it goes on tour again, there's an entirely good chance that the actress could be some other ethnicity for this. So, I don't think there needs to be as much fuss as there is.
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novus (12/23/2015) [-] I originally only listened to the audio books (did a lot of driving) and always thought it was mug-blood. It made a lot of sense because they would have muggle in their blood. I was very disappointed when I learned the truth years later.
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anon (12/23/2015) [-]
Hermione being black gives the heroes an unfair advantage the baddies can't see her in the night
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rayeightk (12/23/2015) [-]
The confusion, the rage, the unmitigated fury in this comment section.
Their emotions are uplifting somehow!
Every second I feel STRONGER!
Their emotions are uplifting somehow!
Every second I feel STRONGER!
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Gonnafly (12/23/2015) [-] Y'know I'm prettty sure it wasn't like "oh hey lets make hermoine black" But more like "Oh hey this black girl auditioned for hermoine and was pretty good, lets cast her"
Not everything is a SJW conspiracy to take out white males.
Not everything is a SJW conspiracy to take out white males.
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dobbelganger (12/23/2015) [-] It's a ******* play, 99.99999999% of the people talking about it won't watch it.
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elcreepo (12/23/2015) [-] Or even glimpse it.
This is like that Boondocks episode where Huey makes Jesus black and all the whites in the town lost their **** .
What does it matter if it's not made canon and the race remains unspecified? Nobody said Santa was white either I mean you can go into a whole argument over the origin of St. Nick but it's such an international character at this point...Whites just like to see their skin color reflected in characters, and hold the majority enabling these figures to be represented as white.
But if a black person wants to see their skin color reflected, that's perfectly a-okay and why a lot of the best writers don't specify a race for their characters unless it is pertinent to the story.
This is like that Boondocks episode where Huey makes Jesus black and all the whites in the town lost their **** .
What does it matter if it's not made canon and the race remains unspecified? Nobody said Santa was white either I mean you can go into a whole argument over the origin of St. Nick but it's such an international character at this point...Whites just like to see their skin color reflected in characters, and hold the majority enabling these figures to be represented as white.
But if a black person wants to see their skin color reflected, that's perfectly a-okay and why a lot of the best writers don't specify a race for their characters unless it is pertinent to the story.
