I'm just going to put this out there.
You go on /a/ and try and post something about LoK, you get directed to /co/ (Comics + Cartoons).
While we don't have a cartoon board, if we allow LoK to be discussed here, then we will be flooded with posts about it. We don't want that.

Damn.
Ignore that, I was meant to reply to Tylo.

I got this shizzle.

I'm well aware of that.

Anime is a sociolect for cartoons from Japan.
When we talk about anime, we talk in the sociolect.
If we defined anime as everything animated since it's the japanese for animation, we'd all be weaboos trying to talk like the japs in everyday life.

Sigh.

"Anime (アニメ?, [anime] ( listen); i/ˈænɨmeɪ/ or /ˈɑːnɨmeɪ/) is the Japanese abbreviated pronunciation of "animation." In Western countries, anime refers to a style of animation originating in Japan, characterized by colorful graphics and often featuring themes intended for an adult audience."
"Non-Japanese works that borrow stylization from anime are commonly referred to as "anime-influenced animation""

You should both kiss and make up, don't apologise because that'd be gay.

This is not the time nor place for such things.

Such blatant lies! These are always relevant when an pointless argument looms.

You need to read further on dude.

Your original link, the one that is the first on this page when you hit the "home" button, states that Legend of Korra is an anime, if you've changed your stance since then, just say the word, but don't try and pretend that that post didn't exist.
"You said yourself that your definition isn't correct, but now you're saying it is correct? Well let's say you said that just because I'd like to twist everything like you do."
Really now?
Let me redirect you to something I said: "Point out where I have done that, because to my understanding, everything I've quoted was done so in the correct context."
Please do that, humour me.

"I'm not saying it SHOULD be considered both."
I never said that though.

This whole time you've just said "You're twisting my point, you're twisting my point", but have never once said how I'm doing it and what your point was in the supposedly out of context piece.

I already humoured you with redirecting you to what you said.

You are saying now that it should be considered both, as in something purely from Japan but also influenced by Eastern Animation, but also went to such great lengths to quote facts of why only the latter was true.

There.

Okay, let's leave it at this as you don't like to take out the entire thread and consider it as that instead of just linking pieces of it to me.

We don't want to discuss LoK on this board, some may consider it an anime some may not. Doesn't matter.

You're going on and on in the same circle and forcing me to do it with this idiotic argument. Stop doing that.

Where did I say it could be "something purely from Japan but also influenced from Western Animation", even out of context?
And you still haven't pointed out where I've done it on you. Not once. Just exaggerated a fabricated logical fallacy.

"We don't want to discuss LoK on this board, some may consider it an anime some may not"
That's thrilling, really. And what's more is that it's pretty much exactly my point.
Seen here: funnyjunk.com/anime/19682#19682
That was three hours ago.
"you don't like to take out the entire thread and consider it"
If you did that, you'd realise how many times your "point" has changed.
From how LoK is an anime (funnyjunk.com/anime/19587#19587), to how it's actually subjective, to how we should be nice to people who want to discuss it (funnyjunk.com/anime/19820), to how we shouldn't discuss it (funnyjunk.com/anime/19765#19765).
My point from the start is that since it's subjective, and since we are following the adopted definition of how Anime = Japanese animation, discussing Legend of Korra does not below here (funnyjunk.com/anime/19637#19637).
"idiotic arguement"
You started iiiit.

Also you can't leave it at one conclusion can you?

No, I don't feel like going through this again. Speaking of taking things out of context: I know what this board is for. This board does not specify anywhere that it only accepts animations from Japan. That's the people here who want it like that.
That was one of them. Didn't you read?

You seem to miss too many points in this argument and I can't be bothered to help you understand what I've said SEVERAL times.

your mind just doesn't seem to comprehend it. You're argument-horny apparently and seem to enjoy this.

Ha, you're saying I don't understand this? I understand your point fine, rather than refute my points you'd much rather insult me. And you're saying I can't read?
"And the people make the board, they decide what it's here for, ever hear the phrase "When in Rome, do as Romans do"? Because that applies a lot right now.
You are in a board with people who want to discuss anime under the pretence that anime is from Japan, you discuss anime under the pretence that anime is from Japan."
You're saying I ignore points?
You kinda ignored that one too, and many, many others.
Why should the Japanese term for animation matter when we're not Japanese anyway? "Anime" has been adopted into English, it has it's own adopted definition, one which you handily ignored time after time.
It's not specified because the definition is so generally accepted that it's not even funny. You hear anime, you think Japan.
Like what I said above (and what you agreed to oddly enough) "just as Western Animation can borrow from Japan and still be considered Western animation; Japan can borrow from the west and still be considered Eastern Animation."
Legend of Korra is an animation that is heavily inspired from Anime, that doesn't make it an anime.
Yes, it's technically subjective (interestingly enough that word's been used forty times here), but that doesn't change the adopted meaning which everyone here is using.
You've stated time after time the technical dictionary definition, and I've stated time after time why that is irrelevant in this case.
"You're argument-horny apparently"
That goes two ways.

It was also in the general definition. I did not ignore that, I agreed with the fact that that is what the board decided. Are you trying to twist it into me saying that that was not what I said?

I'm tired of you. You admit you didn't understand me, so why keep going if you don't understand?

"And are you saying I can't read?" I never said that and that's a stupid question as you're obviously reading this.

You insulted me yourself, I cannot recall me insulting you.

I'm atleast trying to come to a conclusion so it only goes one way. You're the one circling around in this argument over and over again.

I can't tell how many times I've said "conclusioin" or "let's leave it at" as we both agree on it not belong on anime/manga board and that it's a matter of opinon.

Just agree to disagree! Peace in our time!

Both of you should be quiet, can have two members of the SoL thread fighting now, can we?

Here we go!

"I agreed with the fact that that is what the board decided"
Then why did you start quoting the dictionary afterwards?
"I never said that and that's a stupid question as you're obviously reading this."
My mistake, I meant to say "And you're saying I didn't read?", that point still stands.
"I can't tell how many times I've said "conclusioin" or "let's leave it at""
Approximately the same amount of times you've basely said I use logical fallacies.
"You insulted me yourself, I cannot recall me insulting you."
"your mind just doesn't seem to comprehend it"
"You're argument-horny"
If you don't see them as insults for some odd reason, then I apologise for insulting you.

We've already reached a conclusion, but I don't even know why I bother. You have yet to completely refute a point, all you do is complain about how I'm somehow "twisting it"
I friend of mine always says "It takes two to argue", that certainly applies now.

Oops, for some reason part of that didn't post:

All I'm saying is that your viewpoint has changed from the start. Nothing more, nothing less.

Pretty short, but significant.

Besides, everyone knows everything you say is wrong.

adwadwad

You killed her, you bastard.

Go away.

"In Japan, the term anime does not specify an animation's nation of origin or style; instead, it serves as a blanket term to refer to all forms of animation from around the world"
Are we in Japan? Do we need to stick to Japanese definitions?
"That's the definition in the dictionary and the dictionary is always right."
The dictionary doesn't take into account popular definitions, sub-culture, acquired definitions, sociolects etc.
It defines proper English, if one were to speak solely in the Queen's English at all times to honour her majesty, they'd come across as so pretentious it would defy belief.
See the three links I posted above, here's some more
www.nyaa.eu/?page=search&cats=0_0&filter=0&term=Legend+of+korra
bit.ly/O6Qd71
These are a lot more relevant than the technical definition because these are the sites that we are related to, they are our community, are you going to complain to them that they should technically host Legend of Korra material because in your subjective viewpoint it's an anime?

In general, the term now only appears in nostalgic contexts.[22] Since "anime" does not identify the country of origin in Japanese usage, "Japanimation" is used to distinguish Japanese work from that of the rest of the world.[22]

Out of interest, did you actually read my comment?

I'm tired of reading as you're all just stubborn and try to prove me wrong since you can't accept it in any way.

This is the conclusion: LoK is an anime and LoK isn't an anime. Consider it whatever the fuck you want, just don't force it on to others if you don't know the definition of anime.

"Here's five links of proof, as well as a well written point of why your evidence does not apply in this case"
"Y-you're just stubborn".

"Consider it whatever the fuck you want, just don't force it on to others if you don't know the definition of anime."
Oh the irony.

There we go again, back to the start. You do enjoy this don't you?

You can't accept a fucking cunclusion where everyone is right can you?

I can't accept a conclusion which I didn't write nor do I agree with, no.
I stated why dictionary definitions aren't relevant in this case, and what do you do? Quote from the dictionary some more and to top it off, call me stubborn because of it.
Let me try:
This is the conclusion: Legend of Korra may or may not be an anime, but whatever it is technically, it is not suitable to discuss on this board because the vast majority does not want it.

I never said it was suitable to discuss on this board or anything. See this is where you get your arguments from. I never said such a thing. Stop. Twisting. My. Words.

You do not agree with the definition of anime being subjective yet you do agree?

If you don't think it's suitable to discuss on this board, then what was the point of this whole exchange?
You came to this board, and said that it's technically an anime.
This is the anime board. It discusses anime.
If it came to the conclusion that it's an anime, then in turn it would be suitable to discuss on this board.
Words mean more than what is said at face value.

And I agree with the term "anime" being technically subjective, but life doesn't always follow all the technicalities such as that. Life doesn't always follow the exact definitions.
Just like my links, why not complain to them staying that they should technically host anime?
They're not following the technical definition of anime.

My point from the start was that they shouldn't be mean when someone considers it an anime when it's by definition and by opinions correct to call it an anime.

And you're talking about me going back to the start, I'll just quote from past comments.
"Yes, this may be technically subjective and all that, but that doesn't detract from the point that this place is made to discuss Animation from Japan."

"The dictionary doesn't take into account popular definitions, sub-culture, acquired definitions, sociolects etc.
It defines proper English, if one were to speak solely in the Queen's English at all times to honour her majesty, they'd come across as so pretentious it would defy belief."

I know what this board is for. This board does not specify anywhere that it only accepts animations from Japan. That's the people here who want it like that. Obviously I need to keep saying what my actual point is in order for people to understand me. You think I wanted you to recognize LoK as an anime, but I never stated that anywhere. And in you I mean some of the people in this discussion.

"This board does not specify anywhere that it only accepts animations from Japan."
But if you look around you, that's what the people of this thread want, is it not? If it wasn't, would you be receiving the same level of objection?
They are using the previously specified adopted definition, you are using the technical definition - they are not compatible.
"You think I wanted you to recognize LoK as an anime, but I never stated that anywhere"
OH COME ON
"mfw people say that LoK is not an anime"
"My point is. It's an anime"
"It's an anime regardless of what you say"
"Because spongebob is FAR from the same as LoK."
"I'm saying it can be considered as an anime"
There's many more where that came from as well.

So being inspired by Anime makes it an anime, by that logic Francis Bacon painted Van Gogh's work.
Salvidor Dali's sculptured were Gian Lorenzo's sculptures.
Post modernism is the same as bureaucratization.

Speaking of taking things out of context: I know what this board is for. This board does not specify anywhere that it only accepts animations from Japan. That's the people here who want it like that.

I also said that it wasn't an anime. We also agreed on it being subjective.

Okay, what's next? I'll be waiting for another comment where you take it out of context.

You clearly said here: "proves" "specifically" "it's" "an" "anime"; sounds pretty definitive to me, glad to see you agree with me.
That was a joke before you jump at me.
"This board does not specify anywhere that it only accepts animations from Japan. That's the people here who want it like that"
And the people make the board, they decide what it's here for, ever hear the phrase "When in Rome, do as Romans do"? Because that applies a lot right now.
You are in a board with people who want to discuss anime under the pretence that anime is from Japan, you discuss anime under the pretence that anime is from Japan.
"I also said that it wasn't an anime."
Read your original post again. Where, in any way shape or form, does that even imply that Legend of Korra's not an anime.
Same with here: www.funnyjunk.com/anime/19625#19625
There's probably a few other times, but I'm getting tired.

It proves my point that it's.. Why am I even trying? You're still ignoring the other parts where I say that it's no an anime and my point that it's subjective. If it's subjective people should respect that others think it's an anime or not.

Do. You. Understand?

You can't base it all on the links you link as it's not the entire discussion. While I might have said that it's an anime I also said that it isn't.

I'm getting tired of arguing with you as all you do is take it out of context and try to prove something that we already agreed on.

Look, I hate skipping to ad hominems, but are you actually retarded?
You love this phrase "Take out of context", but I'm not sure you know what it means.
It means that the phrase I take and quote has a different meaning than what it was meant to have in context, eg. "I love kick that boy's football" to "I love to kick that boy".
Point out where I have done that, because to my understanding, everything I've quoted was done so in the correct context.
Your original point was not "Anime is subjective", that was only mentioned well into the argument, here: funnyjunk.com/anime/19625#19625
But even with that you were being hypocritical (funnyjunk.com/anime/19593#19593, funnyjunk.com/anime/19597#19597, funnyjunk.com/anime/19598#19598) by quoting why it could be counted as any anime and - effectively - wasn't subjective.
As that's what happens when something is a fact, the subjectivity is removed.
You are saying now that it should be considered both, as in something purely from Japan but also influenced by Eastern Animation, but also went to such great lengths to quote facts of why only the latter was true.
That is not arguing over subjectivity, that is arguing over objectivity.
Your original point was that Legend of Korra was an anime, don't even try to deny that since it's there in black and white.
Oh, and I'm pretty sure your point changed to how you just wanted everyone to be friends and stop being mean to each other at one point, but feel free to correct me on that.

Speaking of taking things out of context: I know what this board is for. This board does not specify anywhere that it only accepts animations from Japan. That's the people here who want it like that.

That was out of context. As for the link. My original post was that it was still animated. The rest of the point was in the discussion. None stated their facts in any of the starting posts.

I'm not saying it SHOULD be considered both. See this is where you twist it again.


You said yourself that your definition isn't correct, but now you're saying it is correct? Well let's say you said that just because I'd like to twist everything like you do.

I have no idea why "Because spongebob is FAR from the same as LoK." is in there, you can take that out.

No.

Feet.

Anime (アニメ?, [anime] ( listen); i/ˈænɨmeɪ/ or /ˈɑːnɨmeɪ/) is the Japanese abbreviated pronunciation of "animation." In Western countries, anime refers to a style of animation originating in Japan, characterized by colorful graphics and often featuring themes intended for an adult audience.[1] The intended meaning of the word 'anime' sometimes varies, depending on the context, and does not necessarily define all examples of animation produced in Japan.[2]

"The intended meaning of the word 'anime' sometimes varies"
"sometimes varies"
AKA: Neither your definition or my definition is correct because the term is subjective, you just shot yourself in the foot there.

Just in case.

What does that prove? Other than people think differently from you.

That proves they are teaching others it's not an anime. They are specifically saying it's not an anime while it still is. Regardless of what they consider it as is just stupid. Keep that to yourself. This causes confusion and retarded arguments over subjective things such as this.

My point is. It's an anime, let people who say it's an anime say that.
It's not an anime because it's not from japan. Keep that to yourself or others who think that too to avoid confusion.

"subjective things such as this."
"subjective"
Should I write that in block capitals for you?
"SUBJECTIVE"
"existing in the mind; belonging to the thinking subject rather than to the object of thought ( opposed to objective)."
If it is subjective, then how are they wrong for teaching it as not anime, but you're right for teaching that it is an anime?
Like I said, words develop, it has grown to refer to "animation from Japan". It can be the Japanese word for anything, that doesn't change the fact that here it generally means "Animation from Japan".

Oh god all of my wat. You're saying that I'm saying that it's not subjective or what? Are you saying that I said that it's an anime NO MATTER WHAT?

If so please link me to that. And by the way, not that it would matter would it? Since it's subjective I have the right to say that.

www.funnyjunk.com/anime/19621#19621
"It's an anime regardless of what you say"
You have the right to say whatever you like, but you don't have the right to say others are wrong because you are right.

Oh yes, that. It's an anime regardless of what you say. It's not an anime regardless of what you say. That's what it was supposed to say and that's why you seem to be confused as why my opinion changed. It was subjective from the start, but bullshit like he was saying is incorrect.

I understood the typo, but if it's subjectively not an anime, then why is not okay to subjectively say it's not an anime?
Look at this thread, everyone except you and Leal are arguing that it is not an anime, as such the consensus over the subjective term is that it is not an anime.
If you go to a football game where 10,000 people support team A while you support team B, sure you're well in your right to support team B, but don't expect everyone to support them as well.
They do not want it here, so why force them to take it here?

No no no it's not my fucking point. The point is that they are being mean and rude to people who call it an anime and as it is subjective they have no right to state it as a fact which they do all the time.

And I'm saying that since it's subjective they have as much right to say its not an anime as you do to say that it is an anime.
Refer again to "They do not want it here, so why force them to take it here?"
Lets condense two threads:
"I'm saying it can be considered as an anime and they shouldn't bash people for it. Look at the other reply for gods sake."
Oh, wait, this is already relevant to that point.

I'm not saying the don't have the right to do it, you're missing the point again. Are you trying to troll me or something, do you really need me to repeat it?

The point is that they are being mean and rude to people

Etc.!

That's life. People are going to be mean; this whole conversation has been fairly mean.
They don't want it here, they don't think it's anime - which is perfectly within their rights because as you've said several times, it's subjective - they tell them to go away as this is the anime and manga board, and to them the Legend of Korra is not an anime.

I'm not saying they have to accept it here god damn it. I'm stating the facts that it's subjective and they are retards for not realizing it.

But you just said above that "The point is that they are being mean and rude to people", if they weren't mean and rude to people, then LoK would take route here and these arguments would be had every day for the week.
Every day there would be "It's an anime, no it's not"
Every day there would be "Well subjectively it's an anime, well subjectively it's not an anime".
Do you really want that?
"I'm not saying they have to accept it here god damn it."
They what was the point of this whole exchange? At the end, you were hoping for it to be subjectively accepted as an anime, correct? That would in turn make it accepted here, and the above repeating circle of arguments would ensue.

No, I want them to say "Okay, that's your fucking opinion and I got mine" boom leave it at that. People are already saying "THIS IS BEST ANIME EVER. NO THIS". I don't see any changes in this.

I still have no idea why I do this.

Have I used this yet?

Last one.

The reason it's being posted here in the first place us under the hopes it'll be discussed, they don't consider it anime, they don't want to discuss it, they can say it all they like because at the end of the day, this is the Anime and Manga board; made like so many other Anime and Manga sites, under the premise that anime is from Japan.
Yes, this may be technically subjective and all that, but that doesn't detract from the point that this place is made to discuss Animation from Japan.
Just look at this: http://myanimelist.net/anime.php?q=legend%20of%20korra
www.anime-planet.com/anime/all?name=Legend+of+Korra
http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=animelist&adb.search=Legend+of+Korra&d o.search=search
Similar sites with a similar premise, none of which accept Legend of Korra as an anime.

I'm not saying they have to discuss it for gods sake, what is it that you don't get?

Word usage
In Japan, the term anime does not specify an animation's nation of origin or style; instead, it serves as a blanket term to refer to all forms of animation from around the world.[17][18] English-language dictionaries define anime as "a Japanese style of motion-picture animation" or as "a style of animation developed in Japan".[19][20]

Read that, I clearly agree that it is subjective in many cases, but it does not mean it's from japan in any way. That's the definition in the dictionary and the dictionary is always right.

no, no I didn't. You're the ones who did that. You're specifically teaching othes "It's not an anime" I'm saying it's an anime. I didn't say "You're wrong I'm right".

"Anime = Japanese word for animation."
There's little room for movement there.
"You're specifically teaching othes "It's not an anime" I'm saying it's an anime."
And that viewpoint conflicts with mine, hence "You're wrong I'm right".

Since when did I say that? Is that some sort of sick way of twisting my word into your argument? Because that's clearly not what I meant in any way or said and there's no way you can analyze it that way. I'm stating the fact that it's the japanese word for animation.

You said it here: www.funnyjunk.com/anime/19587#19587
And here: www.funnyjunk.com/anime/19607#19607
I'm not twisting anything here, I'm quoting you directly.
And if that's not what you meant to say, then what did you mean to say?
"I'm stating the fact that it's the japanese word for animation"
And we're not Japanese, word meanings develop, this one as generally developed into a term used for Japanese Animation, or "Japanimation".

You're quoting a freaking fact. How does that have any relevance and what is your point exactly?

Your terminology is all over the place, one second you're calling it subjective, the next your stating your opinion as a fact.
My point is that the word "anime" has generally came to mean "animation from Japan", so teaching that LoK - an animation from America - is entirely okay for people to do.

I did not see anything supporting that statement. I stated the fact that anime was short for animation in japanese. I never stated that it wasn't subjective.

"You're specifically teaching othes "It's not an anime" I'm saying it's an anime"
"My point is. It's an anime"
Yet again, that doesn't leave much room for interpretation.
"I did not see anything supporting that statement"
I see support for that statement everywhere.

But am I saying it's an anime all the time? I'm also saying it's not an anime as.. Oh forget it you'll ignore all of the arguments anyways.

"But am I saying it's an anime all the time?"
You are saying The Legend of Korra is an anime, are you not? Am I missing a key point here?

I'm saying it can be considered as an anime and they shouldn't bash people for it. Look at the other reply for gods sake.

Don't start this shit...

You need to get the facts correctly though.

Spongebob is also animated

Anime (アニメ?, [anime] ( listen); i/ˈænɨmeɪ/ or /ˈɑːnɨmeɪ/) is the Japanese abbreviated pronunciation of "animation." In Western countries, anime refers to a style of animation originating in Japan, characterized by colorful graphics and often featuring themes intended for an adult audience.[1] The intended meaning of the word 'anime' sometimes varies, depending on the context, and does not necessarily define all examples of animation produced in Japan.[2]

an·i·me  [an-uh-mey] Show IPA
noun
a Japanese style of motion-picture animation, characterized by highly stylized, colorful art, futuristic settings, violence, and sexuality.