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#18982 - inbeforeherpes (06/23/2012) [-]
So FJ, I was thinking, we all know that Goku has been one of the most powerful characters in anime history but he's not the only one who is extremely powerful, what characters (from what anime) is almost, equal or more powerful than Goku? It doesn't even have to be a fight, for example, maybe Light Yagami (from Death Note) can write his name in the notebook. My pick would actually have to be Kizaru from One Piece. He has the power of becoming light, he can shoot laser beams, can move at the speed of light, has infinite energy, he's mostly intangible, among other things. What's your pick FJ?    
   
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So FJ, I was thinking, we all know that Goku has been one of the most powerful characters in anime history but he's not the only one who is extremely powerful, what characters (from what anime) is almost, equal or more powerful than Goku? It doesn't even have to be a fight, for example, maybe Light Yagami (from Death Note) can write his name in the notebook. My pick would actually have to be Kizaru from One Piece. He has the power of becoming light, he can shoot laser beams, can move at the speed of light, has infinite energy, he's mostly intangible, among other things. What's your pick FJ?

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#19049 to #18982 - thundagawd ONLINE (06/23/2012) [-]
Alucard from Hellsing Ultimate.

How many characters do you know can call upon the souls of every person they've ever killed to fight for himself?
User avatar #19088 to #19049 - inbeforeherpes (06/23/2012) [-]
Alucard, fuck yeah!
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User avatar #19044 to #19038 - inbeforeherpes (06/23/2012) [-]
Well I didn't say he or she HAS to beat goku but a least give him a rough time until Goku finally defeats him (DBZ goku btw, not GT)
#19026 to #18982 - gravediggernalk (06/23/2012) [-]
"what characters (from what anime) is almost, equal or more powerful than Goku?"

Gohan.
#19034 to #19026 - inbeforeherpes (06/23/2012) [-]
Wasn't Gohan stronger than Goku at the end of DBZ? (not counting DGBT)   
   
anyways, fuck yeah, Gohan
Wasn't Gohan stronger than Goku at the end of DBZ? (not counting DGBT)

anyways, fuck yeah, Gohan
User avatar #18996 to #18982 - ImmaAnteater ONLINE (06/23/2012) [-]
Touma from Index seems pretty OP. With 1 touch he can nullify most powers from other characters.
User avatar #18995 to #18982 - mattmuch (06/23/2012) [-]
You cant compare chars from diff animes... Goku can destroy a planet with ease, not many other people can do that
#19001 to #18995 - inbeforeherpes (06/23/2012) [-]
Kuma from One Piece can deflect anything with his hands, he could bounce back Goku's powers but would probably lose in a speed battle.
User avatar #19002 to #19001 - mattmuch (06/23/2012) [-]
Implying Kuma is everywhere on the planet
User avatar #19005 to #19002 - inbeforeherpes (06/23/2012) [-]
Implying that Kuma doesn't have a scanner that can detect people
User avatar #19009 to #19005 - mattmuch (06/23/2012) [-]
Implying scanning and moving is the same thing
User avatar #19019 to #19009 - inbeforeherpes (06/23/2012) [-]
though some say that "speed of light" thing was a translation error but he can still move at great speeds, definitely almost like DBZ speeds.
User avatar #19011 to #19009 - inbeforeherpes (06/23/2012) [-]
Implying Kuma cannot move at the speed of light when he deflects himself from the air with his hands
User avatar #19020 to #19011 - mattmuch (06/23/2012) [-]
They dont move at the speed of light at all... You cant make things up dewd
#19029 to #19020 - inbeforeherpes (06/23/2012) [-]
Out of curiosity, have you seen One Piece? it's pretty good IMO, if you haven't seen it, give it a try, though it starts really slow. This is kuma btw (GIF)
Out of curiosity, have you seen One Piece? it's pretty good IMO, if you haven't seen it, give it a try, though it starts really slow. This is kuma btw (GIF)
User avatar #19033 to #19029 - mattmuch (06/23/2012) [-]
I wouldn't be arguing if I hadn't seen it, I first saw it about 4/5 years ago
User avatar #19022 to #19020 - inbeforeherpes (06/23/2012) [-]
Kizaru definitely moves at the speed of light, its been said. Kuma was said to push things from his hands at the speed of light but I believe it was never mentioned in the manga, so I'll give you that one. He does move at amazing speeds though, disappearing and appearing at will, but that doesn't mean it's speed of light.
User avatar #19035 to #19022 - mattmuch (06/23/2012) [-]
By the way, Kizaru doesn't move at the speed of light either
#19047 to #19035 - inbeforeherpes (06/23/2012) [-]
Manga refrence (one of many that have been shown)
User avatar #19041 to #19035 - inbeforeherpes (06/23/2012) [-]
Yes he does, it's been said a couple of times in the manga now, even one of his attacks is the "speed of light kick".

onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Pika_Pika_no_Mi " It also enables the user to move at the speed of light and transport himself by means of reflection."

onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Borsalino#Abilities_and_Powers " He is capable of moving and attacking at the speed of light, and all of his attacks are based on the element of light; such as firing energy blasts from his fingertips or feet with extreme precision."

URLs will probably be deleted but it's from the One Piece wikia
User avatar #19048 to #19041 - mattmuch (06/23/2012) [-]
Non, the wikia is wrong, they are confusing moving at the speed of light with moving as light. Kizaru can simply turn into photons which are viewed as him being able to move at the speed of light but this isn't the case because he is a human. He would have different factors weighing him down such as

* Light can only travel in a straight line
* Kizaru would have to be fully completely super light
* Kizaru has to rely on reaction time

Kizaru has never been shown to move at the speed of light even if he can because if he could he would easily slaughter anything with ease seeing as nothing can keep up with it, especially eye sight. Plus he leaves a line of light as he moves which further shows he isn't moving at the speed of light
User avatar #19059 to #19048 - inbeforeherpes (06/23/2012) [-]
If you've seen the anime and read the manga then you know that Kizaru's character has always been laid back, he's bored of everything and calls everyone a scary opponent, even Marco the phoenix notices it when he calls Kizaru a liar, etc.
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User avatar #19050 to #19048 - inbeforeherpes (06/23/2012) [-]
I gave you a reference from the manga already and he clearly says "kicked at the SPEED of light"
User avatar #19058 to #19050 - mattmuch (06/23/2012) [-]
And? If Luffy said he can punch with the power of the moon hitting the earth does it make it true? You can think what you want but Kizaru has never been shown to move at light speed.

The fastest characters are super sonic on OP and they can all keep track of Kizarus movement with ease, some even go as far as to stop him.

Yata no Kagami is the closest he has been to light speed but even that isn't even scratching the surface of it
User avatar #19064 to #19058 - inbeforeherpes (06/23/2012) [-]
It's different because Kizaru does have the power of light and when he's moved the characters cannot see him. He can move at lower speeds and that's when people are able to deflect his attacks. Even when he fought against Raleigh he was toying with him, Raleigh was already sweating and Kizaru was with his typical"ohhh you're scary" conversation/reaction. Aokiji and Akainu were badly hurt in the marineford arc andKizaru left without a single scar or blood, even after going against Marco AND Whitebeard.
User avatar #19074 to #19064 - mattmuch (06/23/2012) [-]
Heres an example of the speed of light.

The speed of light would make you be able to circle the earth. THREE times. Everytime Kizaru has moved we have seen that movement and it was nowhere near the ability like that of the speed of light. And even if he was using the speed of light he wouldn't be able to attack in it because he wouldn't be a physical form
User avatar #19079 to #19074 - inbeforeherpes (06/23/2012) [-]
He's kicked other people (like X Drake) without Drake seeing him, even though the foot was in front of his face. He's been shown to materialize into his normal form just when he's about to hit his opponent, he doesn't kick them as light.
User avatar #19082 to #19079 - mattmuch (06/23/2012) [-]
Yes he can move fast. No he cant move at the speed of light. He wouldn't be able to control the speed of light even if he could move as it
User avatar #19086 to #19082 - inbeforeherpes (06/23/2012) [-]
Yeah...I think I'll go with what the manga has said a couple of times. If you don't want to accept what the author writes then that's fine by me. I guess Goku cannot blow up planets either, especially since it has never been said.
User avatar #19113 to #19086 - mattmuch (06/23/2012) [-]
Unless Kizaru was naked you dont know that for sure, and Whitebeard was a 80 year old man who had been obliterated through the entire war, was gravely ill and had a gaping hole in his chest. Even if he was the strongest man in the world its hard to do much against a Kizaru who is barely hurt

K? Not quite sure what your doing here

This made me laugh hard
User avatar #19105 to #19086 - mattmuch (06/23/2012) [-]
Where the fuck has it shown him to move at light speed?
- Because Kizaru went serious against a bunch of boys, the power difference between them was absolutely massive
- Kuma had weakened them abit
- Rewatch Whitebeard Saga, he was the least hurt but not unhurt at all
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- K
- Luffy disappears in the eyes of weak opponents, against people like Crocodile/Mihawk/Aokiji if they were properly staring at him they could follow him
- Nope
- You're in denial
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User avatar #19108 to #19105 - inbeforeherpes (06/23/2012) [-]
If you don't want to believe it then it's okay to be in denial. I went to the episode where Luffy gets to Ace in the war saga and Kizaru has no bruises, cuts or sweat, in fact if you go here www1.watchop.com/watch/one-piece-episode-480-english-subbed/ on the bottom video at 2:44 you can see how Kizaru is playing with whitebeard and allows everything to happen because he doesn't care, no cuts, no bruises, etc. he was toying with whitebeard, the same man who obliterated Akainu and who's subordinate (Diamond guy) bruised up Aokiji.

Also, onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Pika_Pika_no_Mi "The Pika Pika no Mi is a Logia-type Devil Fruit that allows the user to create, control, and transform into light at will, turning the user into a Light Human"

If you're going to watch One Piece and claim to be a fan, then at least know what you're talking about but hey It's possible that you're a Goku fan and hate the fact that Kizaru is able to beat him. This is the last I'll be giving you and won't even bother looking at your replies so good day sir, hope you continue enjoying One Piece.
User avatar #19099 to #19086 - mattmuch (06/23/2012) [-]
Hmm, true but there is alot of evidence to back up it whereas this only has a few bits of evidence which has alot of flaws
User avatar #19095 to #19086 - mattmuch (06/23/2012) [-]
It appears there is no more room.

This is hilarious, I have used many many facts. That was one of many, whereas you have nothing to fall back on except what you said prior

- Yes. Fast movement, the supernovas weren't at a Admiral level so thats understandable
- Technically he had Kuma with him and once again, the rookies are nothing compared to an Admiral
- Bullshit
- Bullshit
- Bullshit
- Yes
- Didn't see him toying with Marco
- Gear Second isn't supersonic, its just very very fast
- He doesn't transform into light itself, he transforms into the photons of light
- Ignorance kicking in again. Oda can make Crocodile say that Luffy has defeated Whitebeard with the power of Ussops nose but that doesn't mean he has done it
- Same as previous

Not sure how much clearer this can be but sure, ok.
User avatar #19100 to #19095 - inbeforeherpes (06/23/2012) [-]
You have not used any facts at all. Where the fuck does it say he doesn't move at the speed of light?
- No one else has had such a low reaction against an opponent in the series, even against other admirals and fleet admirals.
- Kizaru defeated 4 of the supernovas by himself, no need for kuma's help.
- Bullshit? link? where?
- Bullshit? link? where?
- Bullshut? link? where?
- yep
- Luffy disappears in a second, that's supersonic.
- Nope, he transforms into light, just like Ace transforms into Fire and so on. Light Light fruit, he transforms into light.
- Denial
- Denial

You're in denial
User avatar #19089 to #19086 - mattmuch (06/23/2012) [-]
Very ignorant of you, you cant come up with anything intelligent so you hide behind "lol it r said in manga", Oda can write what he wants but at the end of the day he cant move at anything near light speed no matter what, and even if he could it wouldn't do much help in battle. And its been stated and shown quite a few times that Goku can blow up planets
User avatar #19096 to #19089 - inbeforeherpes (06/23/2012) [-]
Also, I love how you first say: "And? If Luffy said he can punch with the power of the moon hitting the earth does it make it true?" and now you say "And its been stated and shown quite a few times that Goku can blow up planets"

First of all, it has NEVER been shown that goku can destroy a planet, and it's only been SAID that he can destroy a planet. My memory could be bad at this moment but even the spirit bomb that blew up in the kai planet did not destroy it.
User avatar #19090 to #19089 - inbeforeherpes (06/23/2012) [-]
I'm the one being ignorant? You're the one who is saying "lulz he hasn't killed the world in one second so no". Let's see the facts one last time:
- He has moved so fast that no people cannot see him, even though he's in front of them.
- He has defeated most of the supernovas in a matter of seconds.
- He has never been cut
- He has never been hit
- He has never dropped a sweat
- He has a very laidback attitude
- He loves to toy with his opponents so he lets them live (the one who is ruthless and does not toy with his opponents is Akainu, while Aokiji is the one who doesn't want to fight at all, not even toy with his opponents)
-He destroys luffy even though he's at gear second, and Luffy moves at supersonic speeds.
- He transforms into light itself, and light moves at that speed....you know, speed of light.
- The mangaka has said it
- It's in the manga

Not sure how much clearer it can get but sure ok.
User avatar #19069 to #19064 - mattmuch (06/23/2012) [-]
So? That just means hes strong. That has nothing to do with our prior argument...
User avatar #19075 to #19069 - inbeforeherpes (06/23/2012) [-]
It does because you claim that Kizaru should be able to defeat everyone in one second and since he doesn't then it means he does not move at such speeds and I'm arguing that so far every single fight he's been in, he's been acting really laidback and has always been mocking his opponents, calling them scary, strong, monsters, etc.

He hasn't broken a single sweat and hasn't been cut or hurt at all, he hasn't even been touched yet and defeated the supernovas in a matter of seconds, after he was done toying with them. Basically he's bored of his powers because he knows that if he does fight seriously, everyone would be dead in a matter of seconds so he prefers to mock them and toy with him, that's my point.
User avatar #19077 to #19075 - mattmuch (06/23/2012) [-]
I cbf to get the source but rewatch the episode where Luffy is running up the ramp that crabman made and Kizaru attempts to stop him
User avatar #19030 to #19022 - mattmuch (06/23/2012) [-]
We aren't talking about Kizaru. Kumas speed is nothing compared to DBZ speed where they can go faster than the human eye with ease.
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