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User avatar #2 - konradkurze
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does usa have any politicans who DONT live in a nursing home?
User avatar #13 to #2 - andriod
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Its such a cushy job, Why would they ever leave?
User avatar #3 to #2 - draeman
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It's stress.
User avatar #9 to #2 - nervaaurelius
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Are politicians young where you're from?
User avatar #97 to #9 - konradkurze
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well there actually are ones under 40....
#11 - sgtxrootbeer
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I hate how everyone is bashing the republicans because they shut down the goverment.

Mainly because if you cant even get 2/3 of congress to agree on this, then its not gonna really work, all your doing is pushing a bill ahead that no one wants.

I wish to make it so at least 2/3 of congress or any govermental group has to vote yes before anything is signed.
User avatar #14 to #11 - andriod
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You can't just neglect an entire part of your government's opinions because you want something they don't. That is essentially what has happened
#17 to #14 - willysbilly
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Wouldn't rejecting the Affordable Care Act involve neglecting an even larger part of the Government's opinion? The other sides opinion mattered, but this country (as with all Democracies) typically goes by majority rule
User avatar #19 to #17 - andriod
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In definition it should but in reality we are humans.

You can't have 49% of people disagree with something then pass it as a law.
Its bound to start **** exactly like this. I promise you that if the tables were flipped the outcome would be the same.
User avatar #23 to #11 - ivoryhammer
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Because **** Republicans.
#25 to #11 - BlakHoleSun
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I'm not a politics person in no way, shape, or form. I just don't get why all of this is stirring up such a *********. I mean, don't get me wrong, I hate getting involved in politics, but sunavabitch, this Obamacare **** is going too far. I wish that Congress would just stop this stupid pissing match and get it over with.
User avatar #27 to #11 - ronyx
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It's not republicans, but ultra conservative tea party that took the republicans hostage. Many republicans have spoken and are against the shutting down of the government.
User avatar #29 to #27 - darman
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This is true, it is an ultra conservative fringe group holding the nation hostage. I'm sorry for my generalization of "Republicans" in my comments below.
User avatar #12 to #11 - darman
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The problem is the whole reason they house won't pass it is because Obamacare was passed by a majority and successfully vetted by the Supreme court. The house republicans are so furious at their loss on Obamacare they responded by trying to sabotage the law inside of the budget. In reality they are circumventing a law that already went through the process you described.
User avatar #15 to #12 - IamSofaKingdom
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No, Obama care has many loopholes in its clauses but they were in such a rush to be able to say they did something that they steam strained it right through the process and now when you look back on it you can see many of its flaws (the last time this topic came up on frontpage there was a wonderful comment detailing a critical few failings). One side didn't like the plan from the start and refuses to budge, the other party refuses to acknowledge any of its failings and wants to force it anyway. Both sides are being unreasonably stubborn and I don't see why we can't just eject them and replace them with a new one.
User avatar #18 to #15 - darman
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Obamacare is miles above the current health care system in the United States and has many, many less dangerous loopholes than the right makes it out to be. Besides, the law did pass though the proper channels and was vetted for constitutional correctness by the Supreme court and won. The house Republicans are currently holding the majority of the nation hostage because they lost and are upset about it.
User avatar #21 to #18 - IamSofaKingdom
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You are still using Republicans as a scapegoat though rather than realizing both parties involved are at fault. Also I believe Democrats had the majority a few years ago and still failed to push it through (though honestly my interest is passing at best). The biggest problem with Obamacare is that it hurts businesses and employees.

All businesses short of corporation and chains are going to be forced to knock off hours (taking away healthcare bonuses anyway) or to try and keep up with that demand and closing while chains maintain their standing and become stronger in their market to the point of controlling prices. At the same time employees will be forced to look for exclusively part time positions which prevents long time incentives and health care benefits in many cases.

Already the job market is is overwhelmingly part time and 90% of all new jobs created in the past couple years have been part time. It hurts us in the long run while only giving us a mediocre, at best, alternative to our current state of operations.
User avatar #24 to #21 - darman
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Again, the problem isn't with Obamacare. The problem is with the House Republican's shutting down operations like the Nutritional support for Women and Children and shutting down the FDA and NASA in order to skirt a law that passed legally, and again, was VETTED BY THE SUPREME COURT.
#31 to #24 - thefantasyfundepot
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It's actually the president that gets to decide which agencies shut down. The decision by the supreme court was a little questionable because it was originally argued to be constitutional through interstate commerce but the supreme court decided that was not true. Instead they upheld the law by saying it was a tax levied by congress. As you know the Democrats fervently denied it was a tax throughout the whole process and still do not acknowledge it as a tax. This was a great example of judicial activism which many believe to be unconstitutional.

Also, the part of the law that demanded full backing from states or their federal funding would be shut off was deemed unconstitutional. This is very unusual because when the supreme court strikes down one part of the law normally the whole law is sent back to be rewritten. This was not the case instead the full law minus the mandate went forward. This is a line item veto which as im sure you know is not a power of the supreme court.
User avatar #41 to #24 - IamSofaKingdom
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Geez, still all over the Republicans about it. I have no affiliation with either side but you are incredibly biased on this one. Neither side is "the good guy". They are screwing up collectively.
#44 to #24 - RiflemanFunny
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"Vetted by the Supreme Court"....Slavery was vetted by the Supreme Court. Why the **** should we listen to them?
"Vetted by the Supreme Court"....Slavery was vetted by the Supreme Court. Why the **** should we listen to them?
User avatar #90 to #12 - mralice
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They're doing it because America cant afford it. It costs 900 billion dollars that we dont have.

You don't go buy Jaguar F-Type when you only have $3 in your bank account.
User avatar #26 to #12 - RiflemanFunny
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But still, they retain the power of the purse. The law stands, just no funding.
User avatar #28 to #26 - darman
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They may retain the right of the power of the purse but they do not retain the right to abuse said power. House Republicans are currently defunding huge portions of the government for use as a hostage in order to bend the rest of the government to its will. The issue is over. Obamacare has won. The problem is that through gerrymandering and partisan superpowers a minority is being allowed to control the entire nation by acting like a petulant child whose brother got to pick where the family goes to dinner this time.
#32 to #28 - thefantasyfundepot
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I don't know if you are old enough to have taken a US government class, but our government was designed so that the minority would not be trampled over and ignored. This explains why the republicans are able to do what they are doing. With that being said the the Republicans are actually the majority in the House. Also, the last Gallup poll revealed that 59% of Americans oppose Obamacare, so in fact those that support it are the minority.
#43 to #28 - RiflemanFunny
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Abuse said power? Obama has abused the **** out of his power. The power the House has is legitimate. They can do it legally. Obama has been doing Illegal **** since he got re elected.
#22 to #12 - anon id: ddb59751
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Only about 15% of people could actually benefit from AHA, because they do not have insurance, but out of those 15% about 12% of them are below the poverty line and qualify for their states medicare and do not qualify for Obamacare. So, while we are bankrupt we are enacting a huge bureaucracy that will cost America billions and will only benefit 3% of the population. This is in tandem with the fact that 85% of Americans will now have to pay significantly higher taxes, premiums and co-pays all for insurance for 3%. Personally, my parents were telling me that their emergency room visit co-pay jumped up from $75 to $1000 per visit. My father has a heart condition and has to frequent the ER often since he never really knows when he could have a problem. They just can't afford it.
#6 - bakuraandmarik
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#35 - ppeeddoobbeeaarr
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#38 to #37 - vladimirherzog
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wgat is that from?
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Mean Girls
User avatar #89 - neoexdeath
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Regardless of if you think Obamacare is a good idea (I think it is, it'll just need shored up. No law is perfect, especially right out the gate). The fact is, though, it passed legally, and the supreme court upheld it. That means, like it or don't, its law. You can't just hold the government funding hostage, and expect people to negotiate on it.

Because, hard as it is to deal with, it'll be WORSE if we set a precedence where if either party doesn't like a new law, they can just refuse to do anything until they get what they want. It sucks, the way things are now, but imagine the same damn thing happening over every controversial bill and law that comes along.
User avatar #93 to #89 - moshimoshi
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Ah! Now I see what the fuss is about. Things tend to look a bit fuzzy here from the other side of the pond. Thanks.
User avatar #95 to #93 - neoexdeath
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No worries!
User avatar #98 to #95 - goldenglimmer
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It's not about "refusing to accept a bill that doesn't completely coincide with my ideas", because it's more than a matter of principle. Obamacare is an unjust, unconstitutional, bureaucratic and ineffective system that is utterly and completely about expanding government control. That's what Obama is all about: control. It's in his nature; it's rooted in the very core of his philosophy, which is open to examination by anyone. Look at who and what this man has associated himself with his entire life, and you will see the insidious and cynical views he hides behind his charismatic mask. This is not an exaggeration; he is, as de Toqueville would put it, a soft tyrant. He is a sophisticated Alinskyite.

I personally will never support Obamacare or anything remotely like it. It's an abysmal partisan piece of crap. It is not a law, because a "law" by definition must be enforced by the state upon every citizen of the nation. Why? Because America is a constitutional republic; nobody has the right to be the exception, but Obama has continuously granted waivers, exemptions and delays to his cronies and allies. House Republicans said if these waivers, exemptions and delays were good for some Americans, they should be good for all, but Obama, Reid and Pelosi said no. When House Republicans asked that the 2.3 % medical device tax that is shipping jobs over seas be repealed, again Obama and his thugs said no.

They want to control America, not lead it. They want to change the basis of the American idea, not reinvigorate society with its ideals. Obama wants to make an America in his image, not humbly serve an America that [in error] honored him with the job he now possesses. He is an arrogant, egomaniacal, hypocritcal elitist who puts Carter to shame, and has passed more executive orders than every American president before him since Washington combined.

... and like his policies, he needs to go.
User avatar #96 to #89 - cockassunited
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Congress holds the purse strings, they can withhold funding it doesn't need a precedent that's already how things work. I don't like what they're doing any more than the next guy but they're well within their legal rights to do that.
#85 - zombiedictator
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Getting real tired of your **** Obama
#34 - zukunft
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I love you poster
#7 - include
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That will teach them.
#4 - LTB
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I'm forced to stay in class after its over, by a teacher   
   
Obama, as president, can't keep Congress in after four.    
   
Damn ***** thats cold ****
I'm forced to stay in class after its over, by a teacher

Obama, as president, can't keep Congress in after four.

Damn ***** thats cold ****
#39 to #4 - azinfoo
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It's a quote from Mean Girls